I set up my profile page soon after joining the Guild back in 2006. My profile page on the old website had over 22,500 hits. Despite studying a rare surname (Cruwys) I've always had a steady stream of enquiries. I also have a blog which works alongside my profile page, and it's now difficult to know whether an enquiry comes from my blog or from my profile. However, having the profile on the Guild website gives you extra credibility because people recognise the name of the Guild and know that you belong to a reputable and professional organisation so they are much more likely to trust you and to share their research with you. I was also delighted that the Family Names in the UK Project have used my Guild profile page as a reference in their entry for the Cruse/Cruwys surnames. I think they would be unlikely to cite a family history website because they have a habit of being very ephemeral. I've asked for my profile page to be preserved by the Guild so that it will remain as a permanent reference. Before anyone asks you can set your preferences for preserving your study on this page in the Members' Room: http://www.one-name.org/cgi-bin/user-maintenance/studypropsfrontpage.cgi I've not noticed any difference in the level of enquiries but I note that the Registrar commented in her report to the September committee meeting that "There has been a marked increase in queries since the beginning of July when the new website was launched". http://one-name.org/members/minutes/2014Sep/23r%20Registrar%20-%20September% 202014.pdf Best wishes Debbie Kennett Member no 4554 http://cruwys.blogspot.com http://one-name.org/name_profile/cruwys http://www.familytreedna.com/public/CruwysDNA

Hi Sue I have the book. I will email you off-list. Liz

I'm not too worried about how many initial contacts I get through my profile page - in fact I probably get a lot more from the wordpress blog. What I do like about it,is that it provides a more formal reference for my study- so someone discovering my blog can then use a link to the profile page and realise its a formal study and much more than just one person's hobby. Corinne Curtis Sennett ONS On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 6:30 PM, Kirsty Gray via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Dear John et al > > I have a Guild profile - thanks to Roy Rayment for his badgering years > ago - but I have to say I have had just one enquiry through the page > over the two years I have had it. Better than nothing though I guess, > with such a 'rare name'. With my separate Sillifant website, which is > not even fully up and running, I have had three people already getting > in touch and it's only been lurking about online since September this year. > > Thanks for your comments regarding Monday with Myrt - yes, a shame the > website was down for 25 minutes which happened to coincide with the > Hangout. Happens to the best of us and I seem to recall the Guild had a > far more significant website outage when Anne was Webmaster some years ago. > > Sorry that the ethos of The Surname Society isn't for you and glad we > managed to catch up, though briefly on Monday. > > Kirsty > > On 26/11/2014 14:53, John P Laws via wrote: >> Repeat of mail Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 6:01 PM >> >> Hi One-Namers everywhere >> >> >> I'd like to also echo Tessa's recommendation to start a Guild profile, but >> like Vivian, not from the perspective of a Guild member, but rather from >> what it looks like from someone looking at the Guild from outside. I last >> updated mine at least of 20 years ago. >> >> >> See me and Cousin Russ on Dear Myrtle's Google-Plus Hangout 'Mondays with >> Myrt' - 'Wacky Wednesday'' and Genealogy Game-Night' find recordings on >> >> YouTube. >> >> Would be good to see a few more Brits and members of Goons at that, joining >> the community and hanging out with us, this Monday we had a visit from our >> last Chairman, Kirsty Gray in her capacity as Chair of the Surname Society, >> sad that their website had crashed so we couldn't see it. I for one, am more >> than happy with the way we have moved on from our growing pains, and won't >> be joining them anytime soon >> >> John Laws >> >> Registrar >> Laws Family Register >> www.lawsfamilyregister.tribalpages.com >> www.lawsandlawes.blogspot.com >> >> Member of GOONS for 30 years. >> >> >> >> >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

"genealogy swabs" is what I was told - definitely no mention of DNA or "medical" of "biological", as that raises questions with overzealous postal workers, even though there shouldn't be a problem at all with cheek swabs. Another term if you want to make it even more vague but still give a clear definition is "cotton swabs in aqueous buffer solution". This may help get around any worries about the package containing liquid. Corinne Curtis #5579

Dear John et al I have a Guild profile - thanks to Roy Rayment for his badgering years ago - but I have to say I have had just one enquiry through the page over the two years I have had it. Better than nothing though I guess, with such a 'rare name'. With my separate Sillifant website, which is not even fully up and running, I have had three people already getting in touch and it's only been lurking about online since September this year. Thanks for your comments regarding Monday with Myrt - yes, a shame the website was down for 25 minutes which happened to coincide with the Hangout. Happens to the best of us and I seem to recall the Guild had a far more significant website outage when Anne was Webmaster some years ago. Sorry that the ethos of The Surname Society isn't for you and glad we managed to catch up, though briefly on Monday. Kirsty On 26/11/2014 14:53, John P Laws via wrote: > Repeat of mail Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 6:01 PM > > Hi One-Namers everywhere > > > I'd like to also echo Tessa's recommendation to start a Guild profile, but > like Vivian, not from the perspective of a Guild member, but rather from > what it looks like from someone looking at the Guild from outside. I last > updated mine at least of 20 years ago. > > > See me and Cousin Russ on Dear Myrtle's Google-Plus Hangout 'Mondays with > Myrt' - 'Wacky Wednesday'' and Genealogy Game-Night' find recordings on > > YouTube. > > Would be good to see a few more Brits and members of Goons at that, joining > the community and hanging out with us, this Monday we had a visit from our > last Chairman, Kirsty Gray in her capacity as Chair of the Surname Society, > sad that their website had crashed so we couldn't see it. I for one, am more > than happy with the way we have moved on from our growing pains, and won't > be joining them anytime soon > > John Laws > > Registrar > Laws Family Register > www.lawsfamilyregister.tribalpages.com > www.lawsandlawes.blogspot.com > > Member of GOONS for 30 years. > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Paul, You need to go into the older part of the site via the new site. Here is the link http://one-name.org/members/GMI/gmi.html Regards, Julie Goucher Guild Member 3925 Orlando & Worship ONS Regional Rep South Devon On 26 November 2014 at 17:01, Paul Prescott via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Could someone please tell me how I get to the Guild Marriage Index > nowadays? I've just spent a frustrating ten minutes not finding it on the > website. > > Paul > > > > On 26 November 2014 at 12:18, Peter Alefounder via <goons@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > >> Anyone looking at the progress chart for the 21st edition of the >> Guild Marriage Index might have concluded that it would have over >> a million entries by the end of the year. Well, I can now say that >> it has: 1,117,167 entries for the 22nd edition. Many of the new >> entries are Cardinal Points, particularly useful for locating >> marriages given just a GRO reference. >> >> I think it would be very good to have some new coverage maps. The >> existing ones are for the 19th edition. The Index has grown by >> over 43% since then, so they are well out of date. >> >> I have no mapping software myself and do not even have the right >> operating system for GenMap. If any member with GenMap, or other >> suitable mapping software, would like to volunteer, I can supply >> the table of figures. Various national maps would be required, >> plus larger scale ones for London. I slice up the national maps to >> give overlapping sections for the regional maps. >> >> The source of the maps would of course be acknowledged on the web >> page. >> >> Peter Alefounder. >> >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc >> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Debbie My Indian ADSHEADs problem is that he received the kit from the USA without any difficulty It is just that his local Post Office are refusing to post it back to the US. My simple advice is to write "Genealogy Swab" on the envelope and make sure you have the correct postage in stamps on the envelope and post in an ordinary post box, without going through a Post Office or a Courier. I think it is a good idea to put him in touch with FIBIS, who may well have members who have experienced similar barriers. Yours aye Gordon ########################## At 10:59 26/11/2014, Debbie Kennett wrote: >Gordon > >There are some countries that require you to fill out a customs release >form. See: > >http://www.isogg.org/wiki/Shipping_DNA_kits > >Can I suggest that your project member also joins the FIBIS (Families in >British India) DNA Project? > >https://www.familytreedna.com/public/fibis/default.aspx > >You don't have to be a FIBIS member to join the project. The project admins >might well have experience of posting packages from India. If not, I'm sure >that they will be able to find out the answer from some of their other >members. > >According to the FTDNA FAQs they ship to all countries in the world except >for Sudan and Iran. It's only kits sent to Brazil, Japan, Mexico, Russia and >Saudi Arabia that appear to need special handling: > >https://www.familytreedna.com/learn/ftdna/shipping-dna-tests-to-internationa >l-destinations/ > >Best wishes > >Debbie [+Z] <http://www.adshead.com/> Gordon Adshead <gordon@adshead.com> [+Z] Beaumont House, 2 Goodrington Road, Handforth, Cheshire, SK9 3AT, UK [+Z] Tel:+44-1625-549770 Mob:+44-7776-145602

Could someone please tell me how I get to the Guild Marriage Index nowadays? I've just spent a frustrating ten minutes not finding it on the website. Paul On 26 November 2014 at 12:18, Peter Alefounder via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Anyone looking at the progress chart for the 21st edition of the > Guild Marriage Index might have concluded that it would have over > a million entries by the end of the year. Well, I can now say that > it has: 1,117,167 entries for the 22nd edition. Many of the new > entries are Cardinal Points, particularly useful for locating > marriages given just a GRO reference. > > I think it would be very good to have some new coverage maps. The > existing ones are for the 19th edition. The Index has grown by > over 43% since then, so they are well out of date. > > I have no mapping software myself and do not even have the right > operating system for GenMap. If any member with GenMap, or other > suitable mapping software, would like to volunteer, I can supply > the table of figures. Various national maps would be required, > plus larger scale ones for London. I slice up the national maps to > give overlapping sections for the regional maps. > > The source of the maps would of course be acknowledged on the web > page. > > Peter Alefounder. > > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

I wonder about the linguistics. Five years ago when I first started my research I to myself said there is not a lot you can do to Thornton, famous last words, I have just sieved Scotland's People using a table to cross reference the two syllables making my name. I increased the possible number of name variants that actually exist in the records from 15 to 35 they all sound like Thornton, or have an Ye Olde Curiosity Shoppe spelling. I have five versions of the first syllable and twenty-three of the second. Rather reassuringly there are only thirty five of the possible one hundred and fifteen combinations actually in the records. Previously I had fifteen....... Now I am checking the new versions to see if they tie in with the existing Thornton Family Lines, many of the options are in single figures but still could be significant. One option I have not included in the above are the first syllables "For" or "Forn" I did check them and one family stood out the Fortoun Family who only really exist in the records in significant numbers [double figures] between 1601 and 1750 where did they go? I think they morphed into Fortunes or Thorntons. This is my understanding of temporal - In Scotland's People it is easy and free to trace the existence of a name through time, and some do fade or blossom. After 1854 the modern version of my name is used almost without exception. I think in the case of Bradburn, I immediately think of bread, bard and braid. Certainly I think some names are miss-recorded as words in everyday use, as a separate distinct category to spelling variants. I thought this about Culloden post 1745 in another string. I wonder if there is anyone in the guild who is a linguist? or phoneticist??? I feel sorry there is no store of knowledge this information can be put in. There are two Bradburns in the Scottish records pre 1855 and no Bradbournes. I live by the Braidburn. I wonder if anyone is interested in looking at the list of Thornton variants they may have other ideas. Having recently joined the guild I wonder if this is suitable material for the Forum. I am interested in guild members from Scarborough, the alleged town where my family sprang from. Norman Thornton -----Original Message----- From: John Bradburn via Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 11:04 AM To: 'Jim Owston' ; goons@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G] re :- Puzzled? How do you pronounce your name I wonder whether the "great vowel shift" can explain the variant spellings in my research name, Bradburn. Is there any readily accessible article on this shift? I have been analysing English parish registers from Cheshire, Shropshire and Staffordshire and the spellings seem to fall into two groups. The first is Bradburn, Bradburne and the second group uses an "o" in place of the "u" to give Bradbourne, Bradborn etc. Most of these spellings were done by priests or churchwardens, for illiterate parishioners, based on what they heard. The original medieval spelling of the name from 1280 and before was Bradeburne and I am beginning to wonder whether this was pronounced in those days as we would today pronounce Bradborn, which is more or less the way a modern German would pronounce Bradburn. Since the name came from Old English, which I imagine the Saxons spoke (forgive me please, academics!), the "o" pronunciation would seem to have been a natural way of pronouncing Bradeburne. This doesn't easily explain why most of the Bradburns alive today are spelled Bradburn and that the Bradborn/ Bradbourne spelling is now quite rare. The original place name however is now spelled Bradbourne (Derbyshire, England). I, surname Bradburn, have just had a Y-DNA 37 zero-genealogical-distance match with a man called Bradbourne which may support the idea that pronunciation came into the differentiation in the spellings. Does anyone else have any thoughts that their variant spellings may be a clue that their names were pronounced differently in earlier times - I am not talking here about regional variations in pronunciation but temporal ones. Regards, John Bradburn 4965. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Owston [mailto:owstonfamily@gmail.com] Sent: 25 November 2014 3:34 PM To: Norman Thornton; Goons Mailing List Subject: Re: [G] re :- Puzzled? How do you pronounce your name The substituting of vowel sounds may be a result of the great vowel shift that occurred among many European languages in the late middle ages. Isolated areas not affected by the shift may be pronouncing vowels as they were historically. This may be the reason for the difference between vowels in Scots and those in English. Forty years ago, I noticed that the old timers - then in their upper 80s and 90s -- in West Virginia pronounced vowel sounds quite differently than in other parts of America. Later I found out that many of these sounds were congruent with the original pronunciation of English prior to the great vowel shift. Jim On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 9:23 AM, Norman Thornton via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I am interested in how we speak as I am involved in adult education > and would make some points to help those looking for name variants, at > least in Scotland > > Never discount replacing one vowel sound with the other four or y I am > surprised how often my learners mishear or miswrite vowel sounds. thus > there are Thorntins out there > > In the Scottish records there are wide variations. I drew up a table > which cross checked the two syllables that make up my name and all > their variants then checked for each combination of the two. In some > cases you might only get one or two entries in the Old Parish Records, > and for some none. But you had covered all the bases, and who is to > say the one off is not the one you are looking for. > > I sometimes try and think of unconnected words that might be mistaken > for the surname - in this case mangy would be an option. One amusing > one I spotted was Wardrop and Wardrobe > > Never forget the Ye Olde Curiosity Shoppe - there are plenty of > Thornetons and Thorntonnes of that ilk out there. In Scotland these > die out as we move into the 19thC. but some survive to a later date. > By now we are all modern up to date Thorntons, or so I think. > > Interestingly there are exotics out there. I am looking at the > Fortons/Forntons in the Old Parish Records they appear as a brief > flash in the pan then either left or morphed into? I rather think > conformed to the modern spelling of Thornton. > > Multiple spellings of surnames for the same family appear through > time. In the case of Christian names in my family there is a > distinctive Patrick/Peter swap for the same person repeated in some > generations. > > I have never been able to utilise the advanced search in Scotland's > People to reflect all these possibilities but use the free starter > search to look at options. > > Reassuringly there must be some underlying principles that hold true > over the centuries - in my experience few of the more bizarre options > actually appear. > > Norman Thornton > > I am building on my existing variants before rebuilding my spread > sheet of Thorntons in Scotland pre 1855. > > Norman Thornton > > Working in Aberdeen in the eighties I found the Aberdonian accent > incomprehensible for the first few weeks and they thought I was from > London when I am actually from Edinburgh. Local accents can distort > names in different ways. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mingay via > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 11:10 PM > To: GOONS Forum > Subject: [G] re :- Puzzled? > > Hi All, > I am overwhelmed by the number of replies. The many > suggestions as to the way forward has taken my breath away and will > need much time to mull over which is the best or more suitable to me > and therefore the whole 'puzzle' will be put on the back-burner for now. > > It is so interesting that the signitures on the applications for USA > naturalisation of three brothers, James Patrick & Lawerence are all > quite clearly MINGY. This corresponds with the transcription of there > baptisms in Ireland, their father being Edward MINGY but there are > very few other recorded MINGY, which is 'where I came in' as they say. > > A question which is raised from all of this is ' How do we learn to > write our name', in general our parents showed us. But what happens > when as was years ago the parents were illiterate, the answer they > relied on the parish Priest/Vicar or whatever to write the surname as > they thought fit. This is then made more complicated when the 'accent' > of the 'recorder' is not the same as the 'locals' and further more in > the case of Ireland where there are other languages being use, ie > Gaelic and/or Latin, makes even further difficulties in ascertaining > the correct spelling of a surname, but you all new that anyway. > > I will leave the data in my database at the point when the > MINGY/MINGEY emmigrated to USA and any thereafter and not try and > trace it back to Ireland, making a note for my 'heir apparent' to sort out > this puzzle. > > Once again MANY THANKS to all replies. > > > Regards Tony > Anthony John MINGAY, now in NZ once of Kent & Suffolk, England but > still researching Worldwide the surname MINGAY & its variants. > http://www.mingayhistory.co.uk. > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Jim James M. 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Agreed. There's another aspect to this too, which is that having links to and from your own website from a popular site like the Guild's (and others) helps both sites improve their search engine ranking, thereby making it even more likely that people will find the results of your research. HTH Paul PS in response to Ann McDonald's question, yes, I have seen an uptick in people contacting me. For several years I noticed that we had approximately one new registrant on our website for every 100 people in the online database, but recently the number of registrants has been growing faster than that. Whether it's the Guild's new site, or the consequence of the old maxim that the value of a database increases with the square of its size, I do not know! Maybe it has more to do with the number of showings of TV programs like WDYTYA around the world. On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Corinne Curtis via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I'm not too worried about how many initial contacts I get through my > profile page - in fact I probably get a lot more from the wordpress > blog. What I do like about it,is that it provides a more formal > reference for my study- so someone discovering my blog can then use a > link to the profile page and realise its a formal study and much more > than just one person's hobby. > > Corinne Curtis > Sennett ONS > > On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 6:30 PM, Kirsty Gray via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> Dear John et al >> >> I have a Guild profile - thanks to Roy Rayment for his badgering years >> ago - but I have to say I have had just one enquiry through the page >> over the two years I have had it. Better than nothing though I guess, >> with such a 'rare name'. With my separate Sillifant website, which is >> not even fully up and running, I have had three people already getting >> in touch and it's only been lurking about online since September this year. >> >> Thanks for your comments regarding Monday with Myrt - yes, a shame the >> website was down for 25 minutes which happened to coincide with the >> Hangout. Happens to the best of us and I seem to recall the Guild had a >> far more significant website outage when Anne was Webmaster some years ago. >> >> Sorry that the ethos of The Surname Society isn't for you and glad we >> managed to catch up, though briefly on Monday. >> >> Kirsty >> >> On 26/11/2014 14:53, John P Laws via wrote: >>> Repeat of mail Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 6:01 PM >>> >>> Hi One-Namers everywhere >>> >>> >>> I'd like to also echo Tessa's recommendation to start a Guild profile, but >>> like Vivian, not from the perspective of a Guild member, but rather from >>> what it looks like from someone looking at the Guild from outside. I last >>> updated mine at least of 20 years ago. >>> >>> >>> See me and Cousin Russ on Dear Myrtle's Google-Plus Hangout 'Mondays with >>> Myrt' - 'Wacky Wednesday'' and Genealogy Game-Night' find recordings on >>> >>> YouTube. >>> >>> Would be good to see a few more Brits and members of Goons at that, joining >>> the community and hanging out with us, this Monday we had a visit from our >>> last Chairman, Kirsty Gray in her capacity as Chair of the Surname Society, >>> sad that their website had crashed so we couldn't see it. I for one, am more >>> than happy with the way we have moved on from our growing pains, and won't >>> be joining them anytime soon >>> >>> John Laws >>> >>> Registrar >>> Laws Family Register >>> www.lawsfamilyregister.tribalpages.com >>> www.lawsandlawes.blogspot.com >>> >>> Member of GOONS for 30 years. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _____________________________________________ >>> >>> RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Paul Howes www.howesfamilies.com Researching House, Howes, Hows, Howse & Howze worldwide

Hi Marie I'm a long-time Tolkien fan, but the new logo does not make me think of anything to do with him. I think it's just you ... June Willing Guild of One-Name Studies member no 2117 Willing/Willings One-Name Study http://one-name.org/name_profile/Willing/ Willing/Willings DNA Project http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Willing/ Dominicus One-Name Study http://one-name.org/name_profile/dominicus-2/ On 26 Nov 2014, at 14:04, Marie Byatt via wrote: > Maybe its just me - but everytime I look at the new logo - it says > Tolkien's white tree to me...... was this intentional for a symbol > of the rebirth of old memories > > Marie (GOONS 5318) > > > Bringing the world together one surname at a time. > 'A Pepler Name' http://pepler.tribalpages.com > 'Hedgerow - the Ancestors' http://cranberry.tribalpages.com > Pepler DNA Study http://www.familytreedna.com/public/pepler-ow/ > 'Scroops, Scropes and Scroopes' http://dentonlk.tribalpages.com > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Repeat of mail Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 6:01 PM Hi One-Namers everywhere I'd like to also echo Tessa's recommendation to start a Guild profile, but like Vivian, not from the perspective of a Guild member, but rather from what it looks like from someone looking at the Guild from outside. I last updated mine at least of 20 years ago. See me and Cousin Russ on Dear Myrtle's Google-Plus Hangout 'Mondays with Myrt' - 'Wacky Wednesday'' and Genealogy Game-Night' find recordings on YouTube. Would be good to see a few more Brits and members of Goons at that, joining the community and hanging out with us, this Monday we had a visit from our last Chairman, Kirsty Gray in her capacity as Chair of the Surname Society, sad that their website had crashed so we couldn't see it. I for one, am more than happy with the way we have moved on from our growing pains, and won't be joining them anytime soon John Laws Registrar Laws Family Register www.lawsfamilyregister.tribalpages.com www.lawsandlawes.blogspot.com Member of GOONS for 30 years.

Paul, I used the handy search icon on the members page (the magnifier). The first entry that came up was this: http://www.one-name.org/members/wiki/index.php?page=Guild%20Marriage%20Index which should be able to point you to what you need. Hope this helps. Regards Paul On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Paul Prescott via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Could someone please tell me how I get to the Guild Marriage Index > nowadays? I've just spent a frustrating ten minutes not finding it on the > website. > > Paul > > > > On 26 November 2014 at 12:18, Peter Alefounder via <goons@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > >> Anyone looking at the progress chart for the 21st edition of the >> Guild Marriage Index might have concluded that it would have over >> a million entries by the end of the year. Well, I can now say that >> it has: 1,117,167 entries for the 22nd edition. Many of the new >> entries are Cardinal Points, particularly useful for locating >> marriages given just a GRO reference. >> >> I think it would be very good to have some new coverage maps. The >> existing ones are for the 19th edition. The Index has grown by >> over 43% since then, so they are well out of date. >> >> I have no mapping software myself and do not even have the right >> operating system for GenMap. If any member with GenMap, or other >> suitable mapping software, would like to volunteer, I can supply >> the table of figures. Various national maps would be required, >> plus larger scale ones for London. I slice up the national maps to >> give overlapping sections for the regional maps. >> >> The source of the maps would of course be acknowledged on the web >> page. >> >> Peter Alefounder. >> >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc >> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Paul Howes www.howesfamilies.com Researching House, Howes, Hows, Howse & Howze worldwide

If anybody is wondering why duplications occur on the census this may be the answer. On the 1871 census in Stoke Damerel there are lots of pages of crews lists where the word 'not' has been inserted in the heading '...all other persons on board on the night of 2nd April...' on each page. Also on the first page of each ship the words 'this book not to be abstracted' in very large handwriting. I thought it was only the Army that painted the grass green !!! Ian S Vicary Worldwide Vicary Vickery One-Name Study including Vickary, Viccary and Vicarey www.one-name.org/profiles/vicary.html http://vicaryone-namestudy.blogspot.com DNA study http:/www.familytreedna.com/public/vicary -----Original Message----- From: goons-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:goons-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of S Horsman via Sent: 26 November 2014 11:08 To: goons@rootsweb.com Subject: [G] Book - Freemen of the City of Gloucester Can anyone with access to the book Freemen of the City of Gloucester check a couple of Hors(e)man entries for me. I've found some basic information on Ancestry, but wonder if the book contains more. Thanks Sue Horsman 3446 Hors(e)man _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Anyone looking at the progress chart for the 21st edition of the Guild Marriage Index might have concluded that it would have over a million entries by the end of the year. Well, I can now say that it has: 1,117,167 entries for the 22nd edition. Many of the new entries are Cardinal Points, particularly useful for locating marriages given just a GRO reference. I think it would be very good to have some new coverage maps. The existing ones are for the 19th edition. The Index has grown by over 43% since then, so they are well out of date. I have no mapping software myself and do not even have the right operating system for GenMap. If any member with GenMap, or other suitable mapping software, would like to volunteer, I can supply the table of figures. Various national maps would be required, plus larger scale ones for London. I slice up the national maps to give overlapping sections for the regional maps. The source of the maps would of course be acknowledged on the web page. Peter Alefounder.

Can anyone with access to the book Freemen of the City of Gloucester check a couple of Hors(e)man entries for me. I've found some basic information on Ancestry, but wonder if the book contains more. Thanks Sue Horsman 3446 Hors(e)man

I wonder whether the "great vowel shift" can explain the variant spellings in my research name, Bradburn. Is there any readily accessible article on this shift? I have been analysing English parish registers from Cheshire, Shropshire and Staffordshire and the spellings seem to fall into two groups. The first is Bradburn, Bradburne and the second group uses an "o" in place of the "u" to give Bradbourne, Bradborn etc. Most of these spellings were done by priests or churchwardens, for illiterate parishioners, based on what they heard. The original medieval spelling of the name from 1280 and before was Bradeburne and I am beginning to wonder whether this was pronounced in those days as we would today pronounce Bradborn, which is more or less the way a modern German would pronounce Bradburn. Since the name came from Old English, which I imagine the Saxons spoke (forgive me please, academics!), the "o" pronunciation would seem to have been a natural way of pronouncing Bradeburne. This doesn't easily explain why most of the Bradburns alive today are spelled Bradburn and that the Bradborn/ Bradbourne spelling is now quite rare. The original place name however is now spelled Bradbourne (Derbyshire, England). I, surname Bradburn, have just had a Y-DNA 37 zero-genealogical-distance match with a man called Bradbourne which may support the idea that pronunciation came into the differentiation in the spellings. Does anyone else have any thoughts that their variant spellings may be a clue that their names were pronounced differently in earlier times - I am not talking here about regional variations in pronunciation but temporal ones. Regards, John Bradburn 4965. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Owston [mailto:owstonfamily@gmail.com] Sent: 25 November 2014 3:34 PM To: Norman Thornton; Goons Mailing List Subject: Re: [G] re :- Puzzled? How do you pronounce your name The substituting of vowel sounds may be a result of the great vowel shift that occurred among many European languages in the late middle ages. Isolated areas not affected by the shift may be pronouncing vowels as they were historically. This may be the reason for the difference between vowels in Scots and those in English. Forty years ago, I noticed that the old timers - then in their upper 80s and 90s -- in West Virginia pronounced vowel sounds quite differently than in other parts of America. Later I found out that many of these sounds were congruent with the original pronunciation of English prior to the great vowel shift. Jim On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 9:23 AM, Norman Thornton via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I am interested in how we speak as I am involved in adult education > and would make some points to help those looking for name variants, at > least in Scotland > > Never discount replacing one vowel sound with the other four or y I am > surprised how often my learners mishear or miswrite vowel sounds. thus > there are Thorntins out there > > In the Scottish records there are wide variations. I drew up a table > which cross checked the two syllables that make up my name and all > their variants then checked for each combination of the two. In some > cases you might only get one or two entries in the Old Parish Records, > and for some none. But you had covered all the bases, and who is to > say the one off is not the one you are looking for. > > I sometimes try and think of unconnected words that might be mistaken > for the surname - in this case mangy would be an option. One amusing > one I spotted was Wardrop and Wardrobe > > Never forget the Ye Olde Curiosity Shoppe - there are plenty of > Thornetons and Thorntonnes of that ilk out there. In Scotland these > die out as we move into the 19thC. but some survive to a later date. > By now we are all modern up to date Thorntons, or so I think. > > Interestingly there are exotics out there. I am looking at the > Fortons/Forntons in the Old Parish Records they appear as a brief > flash in the pan then either left or morphed into? I rather think > conformed to the modern spelling of Thornton. > > Multiple spellings of surnames for the same family appear through > time. In the case of Christian names in my family there is a > distinctive Patrick/Peter swap for the same person repeated in some generations. > > I have never been able to utilise the advanced search in Scotland's > People to reflect all these possibilities but use the free starter > search to look at options. > > Reassuringly there must be some underlying principles that hold true > over the centuries - in my experience few of the more bizarre options > actually appear. > > Norman Thornton > > I am building on my existing variants before rebuilding my spread > sheet of Thorntons in Scotland pre 1855. > > Norman Thornton > > Working in Aberdeen in the eighties I found the Aberdonian accent > incomprehensible for the first few weeks and they thought I was from > London when I am actually from Edinburgh. Local accents can distort > names in different ways. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mingay via > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 11:10 PM > To: GOONS Forum > Subject: [G] re :- Puzzled? > > Hi All, > I am overwhelmed by the number of replies. The many > suggestions as to the way forward has taken my breath away and will > need much time to mull over which is the best or more suitable to me > and therefore the whole 'puzzle' will be put on the back-burner for now. > > It is so interesting that the signitures on the applications for USA > naturalisation of three brothers, James Patrick & Lawerence are all > quite clearly MINGY. This corresponds with the transcription of there > baptisms in Ireland, their father being Edward MINGY but there are > very few other recorded MINGY, which is 'where I came in' as they say. > > A question which is raised from all of this is ' How do we learn to > write our name', in general our parents showed us. But what happens > when as was years ago the parents were illiterate, the answer they > relied on the parish Priest/Vicar or whatever to write the surname as > they thought fit. This is then made more complicated when the 'accent' > of the 'recorder' is not the same as the 'locals' and further more in > the case of Ireland where there are other languages being use, ie > Gaelic and/or Latin, makes even further difficulties in ascertaining > the correct spelling of a surname, but you all new that anyway. > > I will leave the data in my database at the point when the > MINGY/MINGEY emmigrated to USA and any thereafter and not try and > trace it back to Ireland, making a note for my 'heir apparent' to sort out this puzzle. > > Once again MANY THANKS to all replies. > > > Regards Tony > Anthony John MINGAY, now in NZ once of Kent & Suffolk, England but > still researching Worldwide the surname MINGAY & its variants. > http://www.mingayhistory.co.uk. > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Jim James M. Owston, EdD Owston One-Name Study #5647 owston@one-name.org http://www.one-name.org/cgi-bin/search.cgi?find=5647

Gordon There are some countries that require you to fill out a customs release form. See: http://www.isogg.org/wiki/Shipping_DNA_kits Can I suggest that your project member also joins the FIBIS (Families in British India) DNA Project? https://www.familytreedna.com/public/fibis/default.aspx You don't have to be a FIBIS member to join the project. The project admins might well have experience of posting packages from India. If not, I'm sure that they will be able to find out the answer from some of their other members. According to the FTDNA FAQs they ship to all countries in the world except for Sudan and Iran. It's only kits sent to Brazil, Japan, Mexico, Russia and Saudi Arabia that appear to need special handling: https://www.familytreedna.com/learn/ftdna/shipping-dna-tests-to-internationa l-destinations/ Best wishes Debbie

Can anyone advise me please on the best practice advice I can give to someone in India on wants to mail his FTDNA Test kit to the USA ? [I think this means - What you write on the outside of the envelope] Given the risks:- . The home country may refuse to accept the package . USA customs may refuse to import the package One complication being, that if you want to insure that you have paid the correct postage charge, you probably have to consult the Post Office. I have spent a little time searching through the FTDNA web information for Administrators, but so far not found any answers. -------------------------------------------- As far as I know, none of my UK ADSHEADs have had any problems mailing the test kit to the USA But what is the current best advice for what to write on the packet from the UK? I have an Indian ADSHEAD (part of a dynasty of over 100 ADSHEADs all descended from one soldier who went there in 1822) He paid for his own test kit But he now tells me that "No Courier Service or Post Office over here is willing to accept it, as the Kit contains a Liquid/ Gel substance which they do not accept for shipment" I would be very grateful for any advice or experience on the best way forward please. Many thanks Gordon [+Z] <http://www.adshead.com/> Gordon Adshead <gordon@adshead.com> [+Z] Beaumont House, 2 Goodrington Road, Handforth, Cheshire, SK9 3AT, UK [+Z] Tel:+44-1625-549770 Mob:+44-7776-145602

I was recently transcribing a perambulation of the Manor of Old Sodbury in Gloucestershire found in the manorial court records and, in the introduction, it lists those who walked the boundaries. It named the steward, the bailiff and the hayward and then it described a couple of men as being the 'carnivalls'. The word was clearly written at times. I have never come across this term before and can find no definition of it (other than the current definition of a carnival). Does anyone know what a carnivall did. The period concerned was the 1780s. Liz #6058. GWINNETT, etc.