I have belatedly found the UK (sic) Land Tax Redemption 1798 on Ancestry. Apart from the misleading title since it is actually Great Britain and covers more years for some places, there is a transcription oddity, and for once I sympathise slightly with the transcribers. The Registers have columns for "Names of Proprietors", then "Names of Occupiers" then the sums assessed, etc. What has happened in the registers I am researching is that the clerk has put in, for instance in consecutive lines: Proprietor Robt Wright Occupier Himself Proprietor Jas Thubbron Occupier Do (ditto) The transcriber has made this: Proprietor Robt Wright, Occupier Robt Wright Proprietor Jas Thubbron, Occupier Robt Wright This is not an isolated occurrence, but in most other cases the ditto is taken to mean "himself", not the person deduced to be "himself" in the line above, ie Prorietor Jas Thubbron, Occupier Jas Thubbron. I feel sure this is what the original means, but was there any formal convention for the use of "ditto" in documents to avoid this misleading situation? Adrian

The National Library of Ireland’s Catholic parish record collection (images, NOT transcriptions) is expected to be publicly online next summer. See John Grenham’s column in today’s Irish Times: http://www.irishtimes.com/culture/heritage/john-grenham-irish-roots-1.2017344 Fiona Tipple — 5538 - Duignan & variants

With the Blake study the DNA results from UK participants can be fixed to particular areas prior to 1800 but the movement of peoples in the 1800s/1900s/2000s will make placement in particular Blake areas (which is pretty much all of the British Isles) impossible (i.e. just because you now live there doesn't mean that you are going to match a known line in that area). In Hampshire I have two known results which are actually quite similar but not exactly the same (although one matches a known ancient Irish Blake line not Galway Blake which is a known group). The two Hampshire results (includes my line and the second with a match with an Irish line) are rather interesting because they are both ancient to the British Isles and hence took on the surname Blake at some time in the past. In the case of my line I am back into the mid 1400s and there were Blakes at Andover back into the early 1300s (linking this group with my line in the 1400s is an ambition of mine). And discovering why they took on the surname Blake is another strong interest. I am suspecting marriage into the le Blak family from Rouen, Normandy (Richard le Blak requested and received permission to attend market in England in 1274) because this family was just north of Andover in Berkshire in this early time period. Elizabeth (Blake) Kipp BA PLCGS Website: http://www.kipp-blake-families.ca/elizabethmain.htm Blog: http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/ Guild of One Name Studies #4600 (Blake, Pincombe) The Surname Society #1004 (Bedard, Dumoulin, Gregoire, Prevost, Blake, Pincombe, Knight, Rawlings, Cheatle, Butt, Buller, Taylor, Gray, Farmer, Lywood, Rew, Routledge, Welch, Coleman, Lambden, Arnold, Peck, Rowcliffe, Siderfin, Cobb, Beard) On 2014-12-01 8:39 AM, Marie Byatt via wrote: > How do others handle this aspect of a study when the study is not confined to one region and/or country. I've been drawing conclusions off of my database because it collects from everywhere since (other than the most recent voter/phone indexes) I can't find data collections for the different locales that are in a similar timeframe. At this point, I do not have enough DNA evidence to say conclusively that the different locales do not overlap population wise and therefore can be treated entirely separately. > > > Marie (GOONS 5318) > > > Bringing the world together one surname at a time. > 'A Pepler Name' http://pepler.tribalpages.com > 'Hedgerow - the Ancestors' http://cranberry.tribalpages.com > Pepler DNA Study http://www.familytreedna.com/public/pepler-ow/ > 'Scroops, Scropes and Scroopes' http://dentonlk.tribalpages.com > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

How do others handle this aspect of a study when the study is not confined to one region and/or country. I've been drawing conclusions off of my database because it collects from everywhere since (other than the most recent voter/phone indexes) I can't find data collections for the different locales that are in a similar timeframe. At this point, I do not have enough DNA evidence to say conclusively that the different locales do not overlap population wise and therefore can be treated entirely separately. Marie (GOONS 5318) Bringing the world together one surname at a time. 'A Pepler Name' http://pepler.tribalpages.com 'Hedgerow - the Ancestors' http://cranberry.tribalpages.com Pepler DNA Study http://www.familytreedna.com/public/pepler-ow/ 'Scroops, Scropes and Scroopes' http://dentonlk.tribalpages.com

"Reld" was NOT Released, unless the meaning changed between 1850 and 1863, or Relieved meant Released? When Elizabeth FARMERY was admitted to Hull Boro' Asylum on May 30th 1850 the admission register spanned two pages and the three columns for discharged are written out in full as Recovered Relieved Not Improved By the time Elizth FARMERY was admitted to W York Asylum on October 17th 1863 the admission register was just a single page and these three columns for dischaged were abbreviated as Recovd. Reld. Not Impd. Thomas FARMERY was admitted to Wandsworth Asylum 17/4/1890 then discharged 1/7/1890 "Not Impd." He was immediately admitted 1/7/1890 to Cane Hill Asylum then discharged 15/12/1890 "Reld." He doesn't appear again in the Admissions Registers but in the 1891 census he is a patient at the Metropolitan District Asylum, Caterham, Surrey. His will was proved 23.06.1892 by his widow Thomasine Maria FARMERY; he died 23.05.1892 The Asylum Caterham and left £137. Thomas was born at Kirkby Malzeard in 1828, was orphaned at the age of 3 and brought up by his grandfather Thomas FARMERY, a well to do farmer. He went to NZ in 1852 but in May 1861 was back and married at Hammersmith St Paul (though I can't find him or his bride a few weeks earlier in the 1861 census!) By the mid/late 1860's he was back in NZ as "Thomas FARMERY and Company" bookseller and stationer of Lambton Quay, Wellington. He went bankrupt in February 1870 but was discharged in May 1870 and he and his wife travelled back to the UK in cabin class. Three years after his death his widow emigrated to Victoria, Australia and died there in 1905. They had no children. Alan Moorhouse farmery@one-name.org ----Original message---- >From : goons@rootsweb.com Date : 30/11/2014 - 10:14 (PST) To : goons@rootsweb.com Subject : Re: [G] Lunatic Asylum (admission) records now on Ancestry Hi All >>Is RELD released << Bit behind the times as I have been very busy, but I have now managed to look at some of these, and the register I was looking at (for "Metropolitan Licensed Houses 1851-1858") has these columns headed in full, showing that it is actually Rel[ieve]d. HTH Polly ----Original message---- >From : goons@rootsweb.com Date : 30/11/2014 - 02:38 (PST) To : jo.mason@swsmail.net, goons@rootsweb.com Subject : Re: [G] Lunatic Asylum (admission) records now on Ancestry Hi Quite likely to be released, as my Pullum left one asylum and was admitted to another on the same day and there is no column for transferred, released would be the nearest correct description of his discharged. Nikki #6552 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jo Mason via" <goons@rootsweb.com> To: "Denise Light" <denise.light3@ntlworld.com>, goons@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 30 November, 2014 9:22:16 AM Subject: Re: [G] Lunatic Asylum (admission) records now on Ancestry Is RELD released Jo

Hi All >>Is RELD released << Bit behind the times as I have been very busy, but I have now managed to look at some of these, and the register I was looking at (for "Metropolitan Licensed Houses 1851-1858") has these columns headed in full, showing that it is actually Rel[ieve]d. HTH Polly

Brian The details are: SS Grampian left Antwerp 28 Sept 1920 and Southampton 29 Sept 1920, arrived Quebec 10 Oct 1920. George William Attree, age 34, married, born England. Destination - mother, 1435 Dundas Street, Toronto, Ontario. Occupation- labourer, farm work. No children, but also on board and listed on another page is Lucy Attree age 59, married, born England but living in Canada from 1912 to 1920, in Toronto. Destination - Toronto. Could Lucy be George William's mother with whom he will be staying? May not be connected, but also sailing to Quebec in 1920 (on the Corsican, ex London, arrived 5 May) are William Attree age 34, wife Mabel age 34 and children Florence Alice age 9 & Arthur Thomas age 1. Destination - Minnidosa, Manitoba. Occupation - fruit grower. Regards Leslie Darbyshire GOONS 3599 Re-sent in plain text! On 30 November 2014 at 09:32, Brian Attree via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hello Fellow GOONS. > > > Looking for some help/act of kindness > > > I have George William Attree born 20 August 1886 at Crowborough, Sussex, England. > > He is mentioned on the Family Search Canada Passenger list collections as arriving in October 1920 at Quebec City, Quebec, Canada on the vessel Grampian. (the family Search reference is: Affiliate Film Number: T-14710 , Digital Folder Number: 004547486 , Image Number: 00363) > > > > Is there anybody who can view the image to see if he arrived alone or with family, > > > > His sons George Walter White/Attree b 1908 and Edward Charles Attree b 1909 in Sussex have "disappeared" > > > > The parents of George William Attree and some of his siblings settled in Toronto area. > > > > > > Best regards > > > > Brian Attree > > GOON member 1913 > > > > www.attreefamilyhistory.org > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi again folks I just happened to test the link I just sent and sincerely apologise because the original was too long and the tinyurl substitute does not work. Try this one instead http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12110-014-9219-y There is then a link on that page that leads to the research article Apologies again Rennison Rennison's List on http://www.upperdalesfhg.org.uk/rennisons.htm The Vayro Ancestry on http://www.vayro.name Vayro Database on http://vayro.tribalpages.com Vayro Guild of One-Name Studies Profile http://one-name.org/name_profile/vayro/ http://www.rennisonprimarydesigntechnology.info Searching for VAYRO, VARO, VARAH and variations worldwide > On Sunday, 30 November 2014, 14:27, "RENNISON john.vayro@sky.com via" <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Hi Jim > > Had a quick look at the website you recommended. > > > Members may be interested that there is a downloadable PDF of a research paper > and article "Surnames and Social Mobility in England 1170-2012", by > the authors Gregory Clark and Neil Cummins > > > http://tinyurl.com/o2m9ay2 > > Rennison > > > > > Rennison's List on http://www.upperdalesfhg.org.uk/rennisons.htm > The Vayro Ancestry on http://www.vayro.name > Vayro Database on http://vayro.tribalpages.com > Vayro Guild of One-Name Studies Profile > http://one-name.org/name_profile/vayro/ > http://www.rennisonprimarydesigntechnology.info > Searching for VAYRO, VARO, VARAH and variations worldwide > > > On Sunday, 30 November 2014, 12:20, Jim Benedict via <goons@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > > >> >> >> For those not following the Guild on Google+, you may have missed this >> interesting posting on relating surnames to social standing over the >> centuries. The intro says: >> >> "If your surname reveals that you descended from the 'in' crowd > in the >> England of 1066-the Norman Conquerors-then even now you are more likely than >> the average Brit to be upper class." >> >> The article is titled, "How England's 1% remained the same since > 1066 " and >> can be found at: >> >> http://www.medievalists.net/2014/11/26/englands-1-remained-since-1066/ >> >> My interest is the many ways to look at surname studies. There are members >> within the Guild who are skilled at analysing a one-name as a study, and >> this article illustrates one more surprising revelation. >> >> >> Jim Benedict >> Guild Representative for Western Canada >> Guild of One-Name Studies: Guild member #4794 Calgary, Alberta >> www.BenedictGenerations.com >> ======================================================== >> >> >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> >> >> > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body of the message >

Hi Jim Had a quick look at the website you recommended. Members may be interested that there is a downloadable PDF of a research paper and article "Surnames and Social Mobility in England 1170-2012", by the authors Gregory Clark and Neil Cummins http://tinyurl.com/o2m9ay2 Rennison Rennison's List on http://www.upperdalesfhg.org.uk/rennisons.htm The Vayro Ancestry on http://www.vayro.name Vayro Database on http://vayro.tribalpages.com Vayro Guild of One-Name Studies Profile http://one-name.org/name_profile/vayro/ http://www.rennisonprimarydesigntechnology.info Searching for VAYRO, VARO, VARAH and variations worldwide On Sunday, 30 November 2014, 12:20, Jim Benedict via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > >For those not following the Guild on Google+, you may have missed this >interesting posting on relating surnames to social standing over the >centuries. The intro says: > >"If your surname reveals that you descended from the 'in' crowd in the >England of 1066-the Norman Conquerors-then even now you are more likely than >the average Brit to be upper class." > >The article is titled, "How England's 1% remained the same since 1066 " and >can be found at: > >http://www.medievalists.net/2014/11/26/englands-1-remained-since-1066/ > >My interest is the many ways to look at surname studies. There are members >within the Guild who are skilled at analysing a one-name as a study, and >this article illustrates one more surprising revelation. > > >Jim Benedict >Guild Representative for Western Canada >Guild of One-Name Studies: Guild member #4794 Calgary, Alberta >www.BenedictGenerations.com >======================================================== > > > >_____________________________________________ > >RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hi John, Find My Past is much better at addresses than Ancestry, I quickly found the whole street and under the T surnames was a John Titterton with daughter Mary A. Try searching "Elizabeth Peters" or "Charles Palling" or "Hannah Mathews" to get to the same image. Regards, Ian Murray One Name Study, registered with the Guild of One Name Studies -- DARKE and variant DARK Worldwide Researched names include Worcestershire: ATKINS, COPE, DARKE & WARMAN NSW Australia: MURRAY South Africa: VAN AARDT On 30 November 2014 at 04:46, john titterton via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi > > > > Can anyone tell me how to find a particular street in the 1851 Census using > Ancestry. John Titterton and his daughter Mary Ann should be living in > Effra Road Brixton. But they do not appear. (Mary is still there at No 3 > many years later.) I expect the surname has been mistranscribed but cannot > find them using the common errors. If I could find the street then I might > succeed. > > Any suggestions? > > > > > > John > > > > John E Titterton (1615) > > Ashbourne, UK > > > > www.titterton.org.uk > > > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That is certainly correct - it happened to me. A rather formal affair which was part of Commanding Officers Orders. A very spit and polish occasion. There seems to have been two points to this formal interview. One, to ascertain that it was not just some camp follower you were after, and that you had a serious intention of supporting her when you were discharged. The other, and more importantly, was that the new wife was going to become partly the responsibility of the MOD who would be supporting her financially whilst you were still in uniform. And if you ended up being shot she would get a pension. Not sure if we were expected to invite the CO to the wedding, but if so the Brigadier missed out on that one. Peter Amsden

Brian You can also look at the manifests on the Canadian Archives own website. Mind you do have to go through them page by page. So long as you know the name of the ship and the date of arrival the rest is a question of patience. You will find the Grampion in 1920 at http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/immigration/immigration-records/passen ger-lists/passenger-lists-1865-1922/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=7184& Regards John Hanson Researcher, The Halsted Trust Website - www.halstedresearch.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: goons-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:goons-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Brian Attree via Sent: 30 November 2014 09:32 To: GOONS FORUM Subject: [G] 1920 Passenger list arrivals Quebec, Canada. Hello Fellow GOONS. Looking for some help/act of kindness I have George William Attree born 20 August 1886 at Crowborough, Sussex, England. He is mentioned on the Family Search Canada Passenger list collections as arriving in October 1920 at Quebec City, Quebec, Canada on the vessel Grampian. (the family Search reference is: Affiliate Film Number: T-14710 , Digital Folder Number: 004547486 , Image Number: 00363) Is there anybody who can view the image to see if he arrived alone or with family, His sons George Walter White/Attree b 1908 and Edward Charles Attree b 1909 in Sussex have "disappeared" The parents of George William Attree and some of his siblings settled in Toronto area. Best regards Brian Attree GOON member 1913 www.attreefamilyhistory.org _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You are in luck with the time period. There is a collection of Canada, Ocean Arrivals (Form 30A) available for the period 1919-1924 so you can also view the arrival declaration card he filled out for Canadian Customs. George's card says that his passage was paid for by his mother Mrs. L. Attree who was a resident of Canada. He says he was joining her at 1635 Dundas Street, Toronto. His closest relative in England was his wife, Alice Agnes Attree at 73 Elder St. Brighton. Lucy Attree was travelling on the same ship. Her card says that she was a 59 year old married woman who had been born in Sussex and was returning home to Canada. She says that she left Canada to collect her son (or possibly sons). She is intending to join a son who lived at 1 Wolsley Rd. Toronto [probably Wolseley St which is in downtown TO] and indicates that her closest relative was her husband Albert Attree who lives at Rolyat St. in Toronto. Although I have been in the area many times I hadn't heard of Rolyat St. and it seemed such an odd name that I checked it out. It turns out that it was named for John Fennings Taylor (Rolyat is Taylor spelled backwards) who was once the deputy clerk of the Legislative Council of Upper Canada. It is in Beaconsfield Village, in the Dundas St. W.-Ossington Ave. area of Toronto. There is even a YouTube video of 32 Rolyat at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQAJ08tU52w The addresses aren't really very close. The Dundas St. address that George gave is more than 1 km west of the Rolyat St. house and more than 3 km west of Wolsely I hope that this is some help. John Carey (GOONS 6565) -----Original Message----- From: goons-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:goons-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Hanson via Sent: November-30-14 7:14 AM To: 'Brian Attree'; goons@rootsweb.com; 'GOONS FORUM' Subject: Re: [G] 1920 Passenger list arrivals Quebec, Canada. Brian You can also look at the manifests on the Canadian Archives own website. Mind you do have to go through them page by page. So long as you know the name of the ship and the date of arrival the rest is a question of patience. You will find the Grampion in 1920 at http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/immigration/immigration-records/passen ger-lists/passenger-lists-1865-1922/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=7184& Regards John Hanson Researcher, The Halsted Trust Website - www.halstedresearch.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: goons-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:goons-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Brian Attree via Sent: 30 November 2014 09:32 To: GOONS FORUM Subject: [G] 1920 Passenger list arrivals Quebec, Canada. Hello Fellow GOONS. Looking for some help/act of kindness I have George William Attree born 20 August 1886 at Crowborough, Sussex, England. He is mentioned on the Family Search Canada Passenger list collections as arriving in October 1920 at Quebec City, Quebec, Canada on the vessel Grampian. (the family Search reference is: Affiliate Film Number: T-14710 , Digital Folder Number: 004547486 , Image Number: 00363) Is there anybody who can view the image to see if he arrived alone or with family, His sons George Walter White/Attree b 1908 and Edward Charles Attree b 1909 in Sussex have "disappeared" The parents of George William Attree and some of his siblings settled in Toronto area. Best regards Brian Attree GOON member 1913 www.attreefamilyhistory.org _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Brian The shipping manifest for outward passengers on the Grampian on ancestry is a bit ambiguous. George W, labourer is on image 973 apparently on his own, but on image 970 there is a 43 year old housewife called Lucy Attree also apparently travelling alone. Both British, travelling third class to Quebec both intending to stay permanently in Canada. Does that help or just confuse further? Can't see either of his sons on the manifest. Nick Chesson and variants On 30/11/2014 09:32, Brian Attree via wrote: > Hello Fellow GOONS. > > > Looking for some help/act of kindness > > > I have George William Attree born 20 August 1886 at Crowborough, Sussex, England. > > He is mentioned on the Family Search Canada Passenger list collections as arriving in October 1920 at Quebec City, Quebec, Canada on the vessel Grampian. (the family Search reference is: Affiliate Film Number: T-14710 , Digital Folder Number: 004547486 , Image Number: 00363) > > > > Is there anybody who can view the image to see if he arrived alone or with family, > > > > His sons George Walter White/Attree b 1908 and Edward Charles Attree b 1909 in Sussex have "disappeared" > > > > The parents of George William Attree and some of his siblings settled in Toronto area. > > > > > > Best regards > > > > Brian Attree > > GOON member 1913 > > >

Hi Quite likely to be released, as my Pullum left one asylum and was admitted to another on the same day and there is no column for transferred, released would be the nearest correct description of his discharged. Nikki #6552 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jo Mason via" <goons@rootsweb.com> To: "Denise Light" <denise.light3@ntlworld.com>, goons@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 30 November, 2014 9:22:16 AM Subject: Re: [G] Lunatic Asylum (admission) records now on Ancestry Is RELD released Jo _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Fellow GOONS. Looking for some help/act of kindness I have George William Attree born 20 August 1886 at Crowborough, Sussex, England. He is mentioned on the Family Search Canada Passenger list collections as arriving in October 1920 at Quebec City, Quebec, Canada on the vessel Grampian. (the family Search reference is: Affiliate Film Number: T-14710 , Digital Folder Number: 004547486 , Image Number: 00363) Is there anybody who can view the image to see if he arrived alone or with family, His sons George Walter White/Attree b 1908 and Edward Charles Attree b 1909 in Sussex have "disappeared" The parents of George William Attree and some of his siblings settled in Toronto area. Best regards Brian Attree GOON member 1913 www.attreefamilyhistory.org

Thanks to all who replied. This forum is really great. Two lessons learnt. One: how to find a street in the Census. Two: I clearly need to produced a list of standard Titterton spellings with * wildcards in to work systematically through because I missed one of the obvious ones here. Thanks again.. John John E Titterton (1615) Ashbourne, UK www.titterton.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Gray [mailto:Christopher.Gray@gray-ons.org] Sent: 30 November 2014 07:31 To: 'john titterton'; goons@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [G] Finding a particular street in Census John, In Ancestry - I selected "Search in Census & Electoral Rolls" then, on the right-and side of the screen - "Narrow by Category" - chose "1851 U.K. Census Collection". Then - at the bottom of the search panel - "Included Data Collections" chose "1851 England census". This allows me to select such as Registration District (RD), sub-RD, Page number, folio, etc. A quick look on the internet showed that Brixton is a sub-district of the Lambeth RD. I then looked for the 1851 street index on-line and found a webarchive.nationalarchives.co.uk. This showed me that Effra Road has two parts - East is HO107/1575 folios 172,186-191, while the West Side is in folios 268-270. Back to Ancestry to feed all that in and ... I'll leave that up to you <grin>. Chris -----Original Message----- From: goons-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:goons-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of john titterton via Sent: 30 November 2014 04:46 To: goons@rootsweb.com Subject: [G] Finding a particular street in Census Hi Can anyone tell me how to find a particular street in the 1851 Census using Ancestry. John Titterton and his daughter Mary Ann should be living in Effra Road Brixton. But they do not appear. (Mary is still there at No 3 many years later.) I expect the surname has been mistranscribed but cannot find them using the common errors. If I could find the street then I might succeed. Any suggestions? John John E Titterton (1615) Ashbourne, UK www.titterton.org.uk _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Dave Thanks for the idea. The daughter carried on living there for another 40 years so yes that may well work for the neighbours for 10 years either way. John John E Titterton MA, FSA Chairman Ashbourne Heritage Society Ashbourne, UK www.ashbourneheritagesociety.org.uk www.ashbourneheritagecentre.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: goons-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:goons-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Barton via Sent: 30 November 2014 09:44 To: GOONS@rootsweb.com Subject: [G] Finding a particular street in Census What I do is look for known neighbours in the preceding or subsequent census. You will usually find at least one still living on that street David Barton _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Daniel, > I believe I've read that a soldier required permission from his commanding officer to get married. Is that true? Yes - and also in the Royal Navy, but I don't know about the RAF. That said - it WAS true - though I don't know when it was stopped. I know that it is traditionally still done, just as it is polite to invite your Commanding Officer to the wedding. I understand that there is still a letter format included in the Joint Services Publication (JSP) 101 - which is a wonderful book with formats for almost every eventuality - including surrendering your command and running your ship aground. Chris -----Original Message----- From: goons-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:goons-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Morgan via Sent: 29 November 2014 00:12 To: GOONS mailing list Subject: [G] permission for a soldier to marry Banns were called for Florence SERCOMBE and Rowland William NIELD at Compton Gifford, Devon, on 31 Dec 1899 and the two following Sundays. The couple were not actually married, however, until 11 May 1903 at Coppenhall, Cheshire. One possible explanation for the 2 1/2 year delay is that Rowland was a soldier. I believe I've read that a soldier required permission from his commanding officer to get married. Is that true? And if so, will there be a record anywhere of the permission being denied? _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What I do is look for known neighbours in the preceding or subsequent census. You will usually find at least one still living on that street David Barton