The service numbers given aren't those used during the war (the numbering system was changed after the war) so if you look at the medal index card or the medal roll entry for the person you'll only find the old regimental service numbers. I suspect the data doesn't include pre-war regular soldiers or territorials but there are women included though - I found two sisters amongst the Corners. Ann On 4 December 2014 at 12:49, Sharon Grant via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > This seems very significant - so if I have a name and birth date/year, I > should be able to get a serial number of a soldier that survived WW1. > > Thanks, Ann > > On 03/12/2014 23:16, Ann McDonald via wrote: >> The Ministry of Defence (UK) has released indices of records held for >> personnel born before 1901. These give (post WWI) service numbers, >> name, initials, date of birth and sometimes the unit. The records can >> be accessed from: >> >> https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/foi-responses-released-by-mod-week-commencing-1-december-2014 >> >> An explanation of the release is given in the eight item down which is >> then followed by eight attachments giving the data. >> >> Records for men and women who served during the Great War and then >> remained in the army after war should be included. >> >> Ann McDonald >> Corner ONS >> _____________________________________________ >> >> RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > Sharon Grant > Grantshire Genealogy > Family History Research Services > www.grantshiregenealogy.co.uk > 07914470331 > > https://www.facebook.com/Grantshire > http://www.linkedin.com/company/grantshire-genealogy > https://twitter.com/Grantshire > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Right on - Paul. There are as many ways to contribute as there are members. I know when I first joined , Mary held my hand all the way through contributing to the GMI, Anne answered my queries through the process of setting up the Worldwide index ( even if I confused things at time being a 'crazy American') and Paul and John have been enthusiastic supporters of both indexes. Let's have more of that attitude Therefore - I could use more contributions - do you have even one marriage that is in Australia, Estonia or is before 1837 or after 1911? Believe me - it's easy to contribute and very appreciated. So all those critics - how about some contributions - to me - to Mary - or even better - both? These indexes depend on volunteers contributing something to index. And while you're in the mood - get your profile page together - even if its just putting in links to your website, archive or DNA project. Visitors to the site don't get into the members room or the old contact pages - so if you want those links found - they have to be on your profile. Marie (GOONS 5318) Bringing the world together one surname at a time. 'A Pepler Name' http://pepler.tribalpages.com 'Hedgerow - the Ancestors' http://cranberry.tribalpages.com Pepler DNA Study http://www.familytreedna.com/public/pepler-ow/ 'Scroops, Scropes and Scroopes' http://dentonlk.tribalpages.com ________________________________ So my questions here are (hoping they've already been considered): - how can we change things for the better while retaining the support, enthusiasm and experience of those involved in getting us to this point? - one of the potential downsides of a very flexible database is that it can be confusing to people wanting to contribute. We need to allow multiple ways to contribute AND make it easy to do so, not just once, but whenever the member wants to resubmit fresh data.. Really hope this helps, at least a bit! Regards Paul

Hi One-Namers everywhere Haven't we been here before? In or out of context using the term "dinosaur", IMHO is insensitive to Mary's feelings. I am well known for calling a spade a spade and not a digging implement , a private apology would be nice, a public apology in IMHO is not required, but for those of us in positions of influence should take care of what we say. Kind regards

Thats a good one Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "broomfield-ons via" <goons@rootsweb.com> To: "Ann McDonald" <annmcd399@gmail.com>, goons@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 4 December, 2014 10:37:40 AM Subject: Re: [G] Index of Records held by the Ministry of Defence Best entry noticed so far is 13038 XOR000038960 File NULL NULL HER MAJESTY QUEEN ELIZABETH NULL 1900-08-04 Chris Broomfield Broomfield, Bromfield & Brumfield One Name Study _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It is very easy to quote a word out of context and thus give the wrong impression. I hope that the members will read the report on the website to understand the context for my comment on the GMI as the rationale for the Worldwide Marriages Index. Anne Shankland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Rix via" <goons@rootsweb.com> To: <goons@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 9:05 PM Subject: [G] Guild Marriage Index > Dear Members > > I am saddened to see the GMI described as a "dinosaur" in the Review of > the Guild Marriage Indexes by Anne Shankland in the Documentation for > the last Committee Meeting (No 21 on the Agenda) > http://one-name.org/members/minutes/2014Nov/21%20Review%20of%20Guild%20Marriage%20Indexes.pdf. > > > Mary Rix > >

Like many Guild members, I suspect, I plod on with my own study and hope that those volunteers who serve on the committee have things under control and are thinking carefully about (i) what we are doing, (ii) where we are heading, given how quickly the world is changing around us, particularly the availability of data and its consequent impact on how people work and what they/we need and also (iii) how we should best get there. So I put my hand up and admit that I haven't read committee minutes since I gave up my position thereon. Ooops. I read the report concerned and like the overall approach. Our committee is clearly engaged in debating at least the first two of the above issues. Anne will correct me if I'm wrong but it does appear that it's the technical aspects of the old GMI database (eg, heavy load on the webserver) as much as anything else that caused the "dinosaur" reference. I take her point that "something must be done". Even knowing that the committee will have discussed the materials aready and may not feel able to respond directly, I do have 2 or 3 thoughts which I hope will contribute to the longer-term debate: 1 - I remember reading something like "the GMI contributes very little beyond what's available from FreeBMD." I submit that that statement is missing a couple of aspects: -a- particularly for new members coming to it for the first time, it will in several cases already have solved the puzzle of which two of the four people typically on the same RD/Qr/Vol/Page actually married each other. Sure, it doesn't have all of the details but if you're reconstructing families, it saves a lot of time and it's very welcome to a new member to find that the Guild already has some resources that can help. -b- (more importantly, IMHO) seeing the body of knowledge that has already been built up by previous members, it should send the message to all members of the importance of doing their part and sharing their own findings. Yes, it's subtle, but nonetheless powerful. Nobody says you must contribute, or even that it's expected, but it is hoped for. And it's my firm belief that once people have contributed to a database they themselves feel that they have some "sweat equity" in it which further binds all of us together. 2 - In that regard, I'd just point out that all the data I have provided to the Guild has been freely shared, without even a consideration that there might be any terms and conditions. Others may feel differently, but I point this out in the expectation that I am not alone and that perhaps it's not knotty for everyone. 3 - As has been recently discussed on the forum, having the GMI explicitly has, I think, had some benefit on the collection of cardinal points beyond just members' studies' marriages, which are then aids to the research of all members and perhaps the promotion of the Guild to the public through the marriage locator. So I support the merging of the databases into one big one for all marriages, from wherever in the world and whenever, no matter how much or how little detail AND a simpler search mechanism, AS LONG AS we remember the multiple sources of data and the multiple ways that it is delivered into the database AND we do what we can to keep up the enthusiasm of all concerned, even if we need to change a few things along the way. So my questions here are (hoping they've already been considered): - how can we change things for the better while retaining the support, enthusiasm and experience of those involved in getting us to this point? - one of the potential downsides of a very flexible database is that it can be confusing to people wanting to contribute. We need to allow multiple ways to contribute AND make it easy to do so, not just once, but whenever the member wants to resubmit fresh data.. Really hope this helps, at least a bit! Regards Paul On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Anne Shankland via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > It is very easy to quote a word out of context and thus give the wrong > impression. I hope that the members will read the report on the website to > understand the context for my comment on the GMI as the rationale for the > Worldwide Marriages Index. > > Anne Shankland > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Rix via" <goons@rootsweb.com> > To: <goons@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 9:05 PM > Subject: [G] Guild Marriage Index > > >> Dear Members >> >> I am saddened to see the GMI described as a "dinosaur" in the Review of >> the Guild Marriage Indexes by Anne Shankland in the Documentation for >> the last Committee Meeting (No 21 on the Agenda) >> http://one-name.org/members/minutes/2014Nov/21%20Review%20of%20Guild%20Marriage%20Indexes.pdf. >> >> >> Mary Rix >> >> > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Paul Howes www.howesfamilies.com Researching House, Howes, Hows, Howse & Howze worldwide

Dear Members I am saddened to see the GMI described as a "dinosaur" in the Review of the Guild Marriage Indexes by Anne Shankland in the Documentation for the last Committee Meeting (No 21 on the Agenda) http://one-name.org/members/minutes/2014Nov/21%20Review%20of%20Guild%20Marriage%20Indexes.pdf. Mary Rix On 04/12/2014 17:08, goons-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Index of Records held by the Ministry of Defence > (broomfield-ons) > 2. Re: Index of Records held by the Ministry of Defence > (Adrian Abbott) > 3. 1603 Map of Lancashire in John Rylands Library (Gordon Adshead) > 4. SSAFA on the Home Front (maureen.selley1@homecall.co.uk) > 5. Re: Index of Records held by the Ministry of Defence > (Alan R Moorhouse) > 6. Re: Index of Records held by the Ministry of Defence > (Polly Rubery) > > > To contact the GOONS list administrator, send an email to > GOONS-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the GOONS mailing list, send an email to GOONS@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text.

Hi All Beware, I found a mistake in the second entry I looked at. WILLING GA (George Arthur) has a birth date of 26 Dec 1896, although it should be 26 Dec 1895. I know 1896 is incorrect, as I happen to have his birth certificate, and his birth was registered in 1896, March quarter. I know soldiers often lied about their age, but in this case, he is said to be a year YOUNGER than he actually was, rather than older. It looks like a simple typo when the data was indexed. I only found 6 men called Willing and 1 called Willings, but I am not certain how many members of my ONS remained in the army after WW1. The accompanying letter says: Approximately 1700 entries have been deleted from the data as errors made when the index was created suggested an actual date of birth of after 1901. Perhaps some missing names can be accounted for if mistakes were made in deleting those entries. June Willing Guild of One-Name Studies member no 2117 Willing/Willings One-Name Study http://one-name.org/name_profile/Willing/ Willing/Willings DNA Project http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Willing/ Dominicus One-Name Study http://one-name.org/name_profile/dominicus-2/ On 4 Dec 2014, at 10:39, Adrian Abbott via wrote: > Apart from Merryl's difficulty in searching, I wonder what these > records are supposed to be. There are eight sets of Excel data with no > readily discernible grouping. For instance. looking in vain for my > grandfather Abbott, doing a Sort by Name should give Abbotts at the > start of whichever set they are in. But one start with the letter B, > for instance and ends at J.. He isn't there, although he was in the > Territorials after the war, and maybe Territorials didn't count. But > neither are several people I searched who were Regulars and should > have fitted the criteria. Should we assume the missing "burnt" records > are the reason for non-appearance? > > This is the grouping in the sets: > > Sheet 1 is Aacking to Woolven > Sheet 2 is Aalibon to Zusmanovitz > Sheet 3 is Boyd to Jones > Sheet 4 is Hingston to Pritchard > Sheet 5 is Aaron to Zollo > Sheet 6 is Bentley to Middleton > Sheet 7 is Aaronson to Zucker > Sheet 8 is Aaron to Zyborski > > Why this peculiar selection by name? > > Adrian > > On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 3:20 AM, Merryl Wells via > <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> I've spent about half an hour trying to work out how you can >> 'search' for a >> particular person - think you have to know their (approximate?) >> date of >> birth? It does not give full names, just initials, so rather a >> guessing >> game if you are looking for a common surname. >> >> From >> Merryl Wells of Luton, Beds. >> E-Mail: merryl.wells@one-name.org >> GOONS Mem. No. 1757 Reg. ONS: Bawtree; Gullick/ock, Moist/Moyst. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ann McDonald via" <goons@rootsweb.com> >> To: <goons@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 11:16 PM >> Subject: [G] Index of Records held by the Ministry of Defence >> >> >>> The Ministry of Defence (UK) has released indices of records held >>> for >>> personnel born before 1901. These give (post WWI) service numbers, >>> name, initials, date of birth and sometimes the unit. The records >>> can >>> be accessed from: >>> >>> https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/foi-responses-released-by-mod-week-commencing-1-december-2014 >>> >>> An explanation of the release is given in the eight item down >>> which is >>> then followed by eight attachments giving the data. >>> >>> Records for men and women who served during the Great War and then >>> remained in the army after war should be included. >>> >>> Ann McDonald >>> Corner ONS >>> _____________________________________________ >>> >>> RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc >>> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

I have read the full report on the website. The use of the term dinosaur was quite unnecessary, out of place in a rational, fact-based document, and inevitably offensive to the person who has put huge effort into the GMI for years. Mary Rix and Peter Alefounder deserve better than that. Dick Chandler in Salmon Arm, British Columbia, Canada -----Original Message----- From: Anne Shankland via Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 1:49 PM To: Mary Rix ; goons@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G] Guild Marriage Index It is very easy to quote a word out of context and thus give the wrong impression. I hope that the members will read the report on the website to understand the context for my comment on the GMI as the rationale for the Worldwide Marriages Index. Anne Shankland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Rix via" <goons@rootsweb.com> To: <goons@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 9:05 PM Subject: [G] Guild Marriage Index > Dear Members > > I am saddened to see the GMI described as a "dinosaur" in the Review of > the Guild Marriage Indexes by Anne Shankland in the Documentation for > the last Committee Meeting (No 21 on the Agenda) > http://one-name.org/members/minutes/2014Nov/21%20Review%20of%20Guild%20Marriage%20Indexes.pdf. > > > Mary Rix > > _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I noticed that Anne Shankland prepared a 12 page report in response to another report. There is much to digest and this review and the original report were quite thoughtful and detailed (I did a quick read through and need to go back and re-read in more detail before I can intelligently comment on the substance). Perhaps we can each step back from any personal ownership on any projects we work on and perceived slights and focus on the work product and the thought behind them to arrive at what is best for the Guild going forward. Constructive criticism is always welcome and it only makes our services, benefits and offerings stronger. Let's discuss substance and continue to move forward. Tessa Tessa Keough Guild of One-Name Studies, Member No. 5089 Keough (Keogh, Kough & Kehoe) Registered ONS On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 2:49 PM, mingay via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi All & in particular Anne, > Nevertheless that word was > used, which, I am sure on reflection another word/phrase could have been > used. > I am equally sure that Mary RIX and, to me quitely rightly so, takes the use > of that word as a personal slight implying ALL her hard work is now out of > date. > > > Regards Tony > Anthony John MINGAY, now in NZ once of Kent & Suffolk, England but still > researching Worldwide the surname MINGAY & its variants. > http://www.mingayhistory.co.uk. > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Alan Yes that is an Excel thing- you can search for any combination of letters within the text, but for these files sorting in alphabetical order probably makes it easier to see possible variants....and the names which have the intitials *before* the surname in that column (they will appear at the head of the column). Polly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan R Moorhouse via" <goons@rootsweb.com> To: "Adrian Abbott" <adrabbott@gmail.com>; <goons@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [G] Index of Records held by the Ministry of Defence Without going back to recheck I believe the original order within each sheet is by date of birth? Sheet 1 has JWS FARMERY born 1895-11-20 (as were the others named either side of him Sheet 6 has H FARMERY born 1892-12-03 (didn't take note of the DOB of those around him) What is useful (my this is an excel thing?) is that a search for a given sequence of letters found it anywhere so FARMER would also find FARMERY and FARMEREY, but not FARMEARY, though being at work there were too many FARMER entries to check them all for any that were more than just FARMER. Alan Moorhouse farmery@one-name.org ----Original message---- >From : goons@rootsweb.com Date : 04/12/2014 - 10:39 (GMTST) To : merryl.wells@one-name.org, merryl.wells@ntlworld.com, goons@rootsweb.com Subject : Re: [G] Index of Records held by the Ministry of Defence Apart from Merryl's difficulty in searching, I wonder what these records are supposed to be. There are eight sets of Excel data with no readily discernible grouping. For instance. looking in vain for my grandfather Abbott, doing a Sort by Name should give Abbotts at the start of whichever set they are in. But one start with the letter B, for instance and ends at J.. He isn't there, although he was in the Territorials after the war, and maybe Territorials didn't count. But neither are several people I searched who were Regulars and should have fitted the criteria. Should we assume the missing "burnt" records are the reason for non-appearance? This is the grouping in the sets: Sheet 1 is Aacking to Woolven Sheet 2 is Aalibon to Zusmanovitz Sheet 3 is Boyd to Jones Sheet 4 is Hingston to Pritchard Sheet 5 is Aaron to Zollo Sheet 6 is Bentley to Middleton Sheet 7 is Aaronson to Zucker Sheet 8 is Aaron to Zyborski Why this peculiar selection by name? Adrian On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 3:20 AM, Merryl Wells via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I've spent about half an hour trying to work out how you can 'search' for > a > particular person - think you have to know their (approximate?) date of > birth? It does not give full names, just initials, so rather a guessing > game if you are looking for a common surname. > > From > Merryl Wells of Luton, Beds. > E-Mail: merryl.wells@one-name.org > GOONS Mem. No. 1757 Reg. ONS: Bawtree; Gullick/ock, Moist/Moyst. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ann McDonald via" <goons@rootsweb.com> > To: <goons@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 11:16 PM > Subject: [G] Index of Records held by the Ministry of Defence > > >> The Ministry of Defence (UK) has released indices of records held for >> personnel born before 1901. These give (post WWI) service numbers, >> name, initials, date of birth and sometimes the unit. The records can >> be accessed from: >> >> https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/foi-responses-released-by-mod-week-commencing-1-december-2014 >> >> An explanation of the release is given in the eight item down which is >> then followed by eight attachments giving the data. >> >> Records for men and women who served during the Great War and then >> remained in the army after war should be included. >> >> Ann McDonald >> Corner ONS >> _____________________________________________ >> >> RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc >> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Without going back to recheck I believe the original order within each sheet is by date of birth? Sheet 1 has JWS FARMERY born 1895-11-20 (as were the others named either side of him Sheet 6 has H FARMERY born 1892-12-03 (didn't take note of the DOB of those around him) What is useful (my this is an excel thing?) is that a search for a given sequence of letters found it anywhere so FARMER would also find FARMERY and FARMEREY, but not FARMEARY, though being at work there were too many FARMER entries to check them all for any that were more than just FARMER. Alan Moorhouse farmery@one-name.org ----Original message---- >From : goons@rootsweb.com Date : 04/12/2014 - 10:39 (GMTST) To : merryl.wells@one-name.org, merryl.wells@ntlworld.com, goons@rootsweb.com Subject : Re: [G] Index of Records held by the Ministry of Defence Apart from Merryl's difficulty in searching, I wonder what these records are supposed to be. There are eight sets of Excel data with no readily discernible grouping. For instance. looking in vain for my grandfather Abbott, doing a Sort by Name should give Abbotts at the start of whichever set they are in. But one start with the letter B, for instance and ends at J.. He isn't there, although he was in the Territorials after the war, and maybe Territorials didn't count. But neither are several people I searched who were Regulars and should have fitted the criteria. Should we assume the missing "burnt" records are the reason for non-appearance? This is the grouping in the sets: Sheet 1 is Aacking to Woolven Sheet 2 is Aalibon to Zusmanovitz Sheet 3 is Boyd to Jones Sheet 4 is Hingston to Pritchard Sheet 5 is Aaron to Zollo Sheet 6 is Bentley to Middleton Sheet 7 is Aaronson to Zucker Sheet 8 is Aaron to Zyborski Why this peculiar selection by name? Adrian On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 3:20 AM, Merryl Wells via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I've spent about half an hour trying to work out how you can 'search' for a > particular person - think you have to know their (approximate?) date of > birth? It does not give full names, just initials, so rather a guessing > game if you are looking for a common surname. > > From > Merryl Wells of Luton, Beds. > E-Mail: merryl.wells@one-name.org > GOONS Mem. No. 1757 Reg. ONS: Bawtree; Gullick/ock, Moist/Moyst. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ann McDonald via" <goons@rootsweb.com> > To: <goons@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 11:16 PM > Subject: [G] Index of Records held by the Ministry of Defence > > >> The Ministry of Defence (UK) has released indices of records held for >> personnel born before 1901. These give (post WWI) service numbers, >> name, initials, date of birth and sometimes the unit. The records can >> be accessed from: >> >> https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/foi-responses-released-by-mod-week-commencing-1-december-2014 >> >> An explanation of the release is given in the eight item down which is >> then followed by eight attachments giving the data. >> >> Records for men and women who served during the Great War and then >> remained in the army after war should be included. >> >> Ann McDonald >> Corner ONS >> _____________________________________________ >> >> RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc >> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mentioned in an article in today's Tavistock Times: http://1914.ssafa.org.uk/ SSAFA on the Home Front "Our annual reports or 'Flag Book' from 1914 tell the story of life on the Home Front at the outbreak of World War One. Each digitised report covers part of SSAFA’s 1914 history. To find out what happened in your local community you can browse through reports, see the list of contents or search for a place or person." Regards, Maureen Praed/Prade/Praid ONS 3445

I know many Guild Members love old maps In case you have not come across it, here is a reference to a recently discovered 1603 map of Lancashire With some very interesting variations of place names Best regards Gordon +Z ><http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/rare-17th-century-map-manchester-8212087> [+Z] <http://www.adshead.com/> Gordon Adshead <gordon@adshead.com> [+Z] Beaumont House, 2 Goodrington Road, Handforth, Cheshire, SK9 3AT, UK [+Z] Tel:+44-1625-549770 Mob:+44-7776-145602

The Ministry of Defence (UK) has released indices of records held for personnel born before 1901. These give (post WWI) service numbers, name, initials, date of birth and sometimes the unit. The records can be accessed from: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/foi-responses-released-by-mod-week-commencing-1-december-2014 An explanation of the release is given in the eight item down which is then followed by eight attachments giving the data. Records for men and women who served during the Great War and then remained in the army after war should be included. Ann McDonald Corner ONS

(repeated as plain text) Hi I think that's mainly the case but there's an organisational element to it. I downloaded sheet 7 of 8 thinking that was the most likely place for SCOON if it was alphabetical, but alas this was a forlorn hope. That section starts with lines 3-34116 who had account 11006 and all who have an army regiment against them in column UDF4 lines 34117- 34280 acc 11007 but UDF4=Null lines 34281-38145 acc 11012 but UDF4=WRAC lines from 38146 with acc 11047 and UDF4=Household Cavalry and so forth (there are a few exceptions in UDF4 - perhaps people attached or seconded). Within each account number they ARE in order of date of birth So for our purposes the need is to try to look at (or reconstruct) all 8 sets - not a simple task given there are 400000+ records - but worth doing; we don't get many databases of that size, in good order and post the 1911 census. But a word of praise for the MoD for actually releasing the data - we don't want to put them off! Also, when I sorted section 7, I could only see 5 obvious errors that sorted to the top, 3 where an odd character had been inserted before the surname and two where the service number had been repeated in the name field. I wonder how many datasets being converted today have a 'major' error rate of 1 in 10000. So well done the folk who did the original conversion. Don Grant Scoon ONS #5642 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------ In a message dated 04/12/2014 15:58:10 GMT Standard Time, goons@rootsweb.com writes: Without going back to recheck I believe the original order within each sheet is by date of birth? Sheet 1 has JWS FARMERY born 1895-11-20 (as were the others named either side of him Sheet 6 has H FARMERY born 1892-12-03 (didn't take note of the DOB of those around him) What is useful (my this is an excel thing?) is that a search for a given sequence of letters found it anywhere so FARMER would also find FARMERY and FARMEREY, but not FARMEARY, though being at work there were too many FARMER entries to check them all for any that were more than just FARMER. Alan Moorhouse farmery@one-name.org ----Original message---- >From : goons@rootsweb.com Date : 04/12/2014 - 10:39 (GMTST) To : merryl.wells@one-name.org, merryl.wells@ntlworld.com, goons@rootsweb.com Subject : Re: [G] Index of Records held by the Ministry of Defence Apart from Merryl's difficulty in searching, I wonder what these records are supposed to be. There are eight sets of Excel data with no readily discernible grouping. For instance. looking in vain for my grandfather Abbott, doing a Sort by Name should give Abbotts at the start of whichever set they are in. But one start with the letter B, for instance and ends at J.. He isn't there, although he was in the Territorials after the war, and maybe Territorials didn't count. But neither are several people I searched who were Regulars and should have fitted the criteria. Should we assume the missing "burnt" records are the reason for non-appearance? This is the grouping in the sets: Sheet 1 is Aacking to Woolven Sheet 2 is Aalibon to Zusmanovitz Sheet 3 is Boyd to Jones Sheet 4 is Hingston to Pritchard Sheet 5 is Aaron to Zollo Sheet 6 is Bentley to Middleton Sheet 7 is Aaronson to Zucker Sheet 8 is Aaron to Zyborski Why this peculiar selection by name? Adrian On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 3:20 AM, Merryl Wells via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I've spent about half an hour trying to work out how you can 'search' for a > particular person - think you have to know their (approximate?) date of > birth? It does not give full names, just initials, so rather a guessing > game if you are looking for a common surname. > > From > Merryl Wells of Luton, Beds. > E-Mail: merryl.wells@one-name.org > GOONS Mem. No. 1757 Reg. ONS: Bawtree; Gullick/ock, Moist/Moyst. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ann McDonald via" <goons@rootsweb.com> > To: <goons@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 11:16 PM > Subject: [G] Index of Records held by the Ministry of Defence > > >> The Ministry of Defence (UK) has released indices of records held for >> personnel born before 1901. These give (post WWI) service numbers, >> name, initials, date of birth and sometimes the unit. The records can >> be accessed from: >> >> https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/foi-responses-released-by-mod-week-commencing-1-december-2014 >> >> An explanation of the release is given in the eight item down which is >> then followed by eight attachments giving the data. >> >> Records for men and women who served during the Great War and then >> remained in the army after war should be included. >> >> Ann McDonald >> Corner ONS >> _____________________________________________ >> >> RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc >> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Apart from Merryl's difficulty in searching, I wonder what these records are supposed to be. There are eight sets of Excel data with no readily discernible grouping. For instance. looking in vain for my grandfather Abbott, doing a Sort by Name should give Abbotts at the start of whichever set they are in. But one start with the letter B, for instance and ends at J.. He isn't there, although he was in the Territorials after the war, and maybe Territorials didn't count. But neither are several people I searched who were Regulars and should have fitted the criteria. Should we assume the missing "burnt" records are the reason for non-appearance? This is the grouping in the sets: Sheet 1 is Aacking to Woolven Sheet 2 is Aalibon to Zusmanovitz Sheet 3 is Boyd to Jones Sheet 4 is Hingston to Pritchard Sheet 5 is Aaron to Zollo Sheet 6 is Bentley to Middleton Sheet 7 is Aaronson to Zucker Sheet 8 is Aaron to Zyborski Why this peculiar selection by name? Adrian On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 3:20 AM, Merryl Wells via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I've spent about half an hour trying to work out how you can 'search' for a > particular person - think you have to know their (approximate?) date of > birth? It does not give full names, just initials, so rather a guessing > game if you are looking for a common surname. > > From > Merryl Wells of Luton, Beds. > E-Mail: merryl.wells@one-name.org > GOONS Mem. No. 1757 Reg. ONS: Bawtree; Gullick/ock, Moist/Moyst. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ann McDonald via" <goons@rootsweb.com> > To: <goons@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 11:16 PM > Subject: [G] Index of Records held by the Ministry of Defence > > >> The Ministry of Defence (UK) has released indices of records held for >> personnel born before 1901. These give (post WWI) service numbers, >> name, initials, date of birth and sometimes the unit. The records can >> be accessed from: >> >> https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/foi-responses-released-by-mod-week-commencing-1-december-2014 >> >> An explanation of the release is given in the eight item down which is >> then followed by eight attachments giving the data. >> >> Records for men and women who served during the Great War and then >> remained in the army after war should be included. >> >> Ann McDonald >> Corner ONS >> _____________________________________________ >> >> RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc >> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Best entry noticed so far is 13038 XOR000038960 File NULL NULL HER MAJESTY QUEEN ELIZABETH NULL 1900-08-04 Chris Broomfield Broomfield, Bromfield & Brumfield One Name Study

I've spent about half an hour trying to work out how you can 'search' for a particular person - think you have to know their (approximate?) date of birth? It does not give full names, just initials, so rather a guessing game if you are looking for a common surname. From Merryl Wells of Luton, Beds. E-Mail: merryl.wells@one-name.org GOONS Mem. No. 1757 Reg. ONS: Bawtree; Gullick/ock, Moist/Moyst. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann McDonald via" <goons@rootsweb.com> To: <goons@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 11:16 PM Subject: [G] Index of Records held by the Ministry of Defence > The Ministry of Defence (UK) has released indices of records held for > personnel born before 1901. These give (post WWI) service numbers, > name, initials, date of birth and sometimes the unit. The records can > be accessed from: > > https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/foi-responses-released-by-mod-week-commencing-1-december-2014 > > An explanation of the release is given in the eight item down which is > then followed by eight attachments giving the data. > > Records for men and women who served during the Great War and then > remained in the army after war should be included. > > Ann McDonald > Corner ONS > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

This seems very significant - so if I have a name and birth date/year, I should be able to get a serial number of a soldier that survived WW1. Thanks, Ann On 03/12/2014 23:16, Ann McDonald via wrote: > The Ministry of Defence (UK) has released indices of records held for > personnel born before 1901. These give (post WWI) service numbers, > name, initials, date of birth and sometimes the unit. The records can > be accessed from: > > https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/foi-responses-released-by-mod-week-commencing-1-december-2014 > > An explanation of the release is given in the eight item down which is > then followed by eight attachments giving the data. > > Records for men and women who served during the Great War and then > remained in the army after war should be included. > > Ann McDonald > Corner ONS > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Sharon Grant Grantshire Genealogy Family History Research Services www.grantshiregenealogy.co.uk 07914470331 https://www.facebook.com/Grantshire http://www.linkedin.com/company/grantshire-genealogy https://twitter.com/Grantshire