A very happy Christmas to all the G.O.O.N family and good hunting for 2015. Shirley Power GRIMMETT 6171

And the same to you Sarah-have a lovely Christmas & a Happy New Year full interesting discoveries in our favourite hobby. Roope/Rope/Roupe/Roop ONS NFHS & SFHS Member On 23 December 2014 at 00:37, Sue Church via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to > Every Member of this Guild. Thank You to those who have posted on this > Group Page. All the Pros and Cons about all the topics discussed, have > been very interesting and enlightening. I have learnt a lot :) And I hope > that we can all join and unite in such a fantastic hobby:) And this is what > it is. > > > TEEAR,TEAR,TEARE,TEER One Name Study with the GUILD OF ONE NAME STUDIES > http://www.one-name.org/profiles/teear > Society of Genealogist Member > London Manx Society Member > IOMFH Group Memebr > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to  Every Member of this Guild. Thank You to those who have posted on this Group Page. All the Pros and Cons  about all the topics discussed, have been very interesting and enlightening. I have learnt a lot :) And I hope that we can all join and unite in such a fantastic hobby:) And this is what it is. TEEAR,TEAR,TEARE,TEER One Name Study with the GUILD OF ONE NAME STUDIES http://www.one-name.org/profiles/teear Society of Genealogist Member  London Manx Society Member IOMFH Group Memebr

Hi, My mother-in-law was a Smith !!! I've managed to trace her family back through the censuses to a Thomas Smith supposedly born Balsall, Warwicks c. 1795 but have few expectations of ever finding marriages or deaths/burials for any of them, being farm workers they are unlikely to have left any wills. Had to wait for the 1901 census to even get started as I knew grandfather-in-law, also Thomas Smith, had been a butler to the Spencers of Althorpe at that time, 'had come from Birmingham', but luckily was born in what was then a small village, one of nine children - including a John Smith! From Merryl Wells of Luton, Beds. E-Mail: merryl.wells@one-name.org GOONS Mem. No. 1757 Reg. ONS: Bawtree; Gullick/ock, Moist/Moyst. ----- Original Message ----- From: "SUE FISHER-PASCALL via" <goons@rootsweb.com> To: <GOONS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 6:48 PM Subject: [G] Find a Will I have noticed that some of the Probate Index pages are not in order - I was looking at Smith died 1994 and found that several pages with forenames beginning with later As and a few Bs were interspersed throughout the list and after the last forename initial, the list began again with Bs through to Ws. I don't know if this was a one off name/year, but if you think you should be finding someone and they are not there, it might pay you to page through. It would be Smiths wouldn't it - I eventually found him in 1995 - which does seem to be in order!! Sue 6000 researching Pascall

I have noticed that some of the Probate Index pages are not in order - I was looking at Smith died 1994 and found that several pages with forenames beginning with later As and a few Bs were interspersed throughout the list and after the last forename initial, the list began again with Bs through to Ws.   I don't know if this was a one off name/year, but if you think you should be finding someone and they are not there, it might pay you to page through.   It would be Smiths wouldn't it - I eventually found him in 1995 - which does seem to be in order!! Sue 6000 researching Pascall

Special Greetings to you too Polly & also to all fellow One-Namers everywhere. Thanks for all the helpful posts over the last year. Hope you have an enjoyable & rewarding 2015. Evelyn Roope ONS On 21 December 2014 at 08:32, Polly Rubery via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > May I wish all my fellow Listers a Happy Christmas and a Happy New Year and > may all your birckwalls tumble! > > You can find my Christmas Greetings here: > > www.rowberry.org/xmas14.html > > Enjoy! > Polly > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

May I wish all my fellow Listers a Happy Christmas and a Happy New Year and may all your birckwalls tumble! You can find my Christmas Greetings here: www.rowberry.org/xmas14.html Enjoy! Polly

Hi Joyce, Nothing wrong with Debbie's link that works fine. I tried the top link on the page which gave the 404 error, then tried the one under that, this worked, so clearly the top get My E-book link is defective. On 20/12/2014 12:25 p.m., Joyce Herzog via wrote: > I tried that and got a > 404 Not Found > > What am I doing wrong? > > > > On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 4:54 PM, Debbie Kennett via <goons@rootsweb.com> > wrote: >> The US Family Tree Magazine currently have an offer for a free downloadable >> guide to surnames: >> >> http://ftu.familytreemagazine.com/surnames-family-search/ >> >> Debbie >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc >> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > -- David J Grimshaw (or is it Grimason?) Genealogical Researcher of the "Grimason" surname and variations of the "Grimason" surname World Wide. A One Name study registered with the Guild of One Name Studies (GOONS): 6138 formally 2962 The "Sherlock Holmes" of this family according to some

June, thanks for spotting those two typos and they have now been corrected. Captain John Smedley Benedict and Catherine Benedict, my great grandparents, were the ancestors that really launched my interest in genealogy. In the early days of recording the family records, I came across their marriage index in the LDS Family Room here in Calgary. Pulling the microfilm reel, I found their marriage record and commented to one of the library assistance on how now to find Catherine's maiden name. She informed me, it was also "Benedict". How coincidental was that ?!? Okay, they turned out to be first cousins. And my great aunt Minnie, their first child, showed up a bit premature, by six months. Must have been that family summer picnic back in 1875. My ancestors have not disappointed me in further surprises ever since. The hunt is on! Jim Benedict Guild Representative for Western Canada Guild of One-Name Studies: Guild member #4794 Calgary, Alberta www.BenedictGenerations.com ======================================================== -----Original Message----- From: June Willing [mailto:june.willing@one-name.org] Sent: December 20, 2014 9:33 AM To: Jim Benedict Subject: Re: [G] profile page references to Index records Hi Jim I really like the idea of a page per person and I also like the way you have yours laid out. Having the navigation bar on what looks like the facing page is a clever idea. However, I have spotted what look like a couple of typos. Joan was born in Wallaceburg, Ontario, where he finally retired and died. and Joan and Catherine lived in Toronto for some time while he ran the local island ferry. Unless I am mistaken, these should be John, not Joan. June Willing

All, I have rarely dared to put thumb to keyboard on this forum, and you will all the more appreciate that, as soon as you have read this plea. I seek a RA O GK on behalf of Roy Keys, who is amongst many things the founder and administrator of British Isles DNA by County, a localised (UK) effort to do what National Geographic is trying to do on a planetary scale. The day is not long off when many of us will be consulting him as to comparative DNA instances throughout the Isles, thus tracking movements of families and groups. Roy is on the Committee of The Blaker Society and is at a loss as to how to proceed with his heraldry problem. He has approached Heralds at the Scottish, Canadian and Ulster Heraldry authorities and each time has failed to get further on his problem. The Keys family were plantation Scots in the 1600s and on; they had a Coat of Arms that arguably emanates from the MacKays. Roy has set up a Dropbox at http://tinyurl.com/mfmawt4 wherein anyone interested can see how he describes his problem. Your RA O GK is not to resolve the problem, but having read it, to direct him to someone you think might be helpful. Perhaps Christmas is , in a way , a good time for an RA O GK; anyway, I hope so; and so thank you to all and to all a Merry Christmas as well! Rod Blaker

After Dai posted, I was able to download it. Thanks, everyone! On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 1:40 AM, Dai & Angela Bevan via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > The top link is now working for me, so presumably has been fixed. > > Dai > Gilbourne ONS > > On 20/12/2014 04:40, Sherlock Holmes via wrote: > > Hi Joyce, > > Nothing wrong with Debbie's link that works fine. > > I tried the top link on the page which gave the 404 error, then tried > > the one under that, this worked, so clearly the top get My E-book link > > is defective. > > > > On 20/12/2014 12:25 p.m., Joyce Herzog via wrote: > >> I tried that and got a > >> 404 Not Found > >> > >> What am I doing wrong? > >> > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 4:54 PM, Debbie Kennett via <goons@rootsweb.com > > > >> wrote: > >>> The US Family Tree Magazine currently have an offer for a free > downloadable > >>> guide to surnames: > >>> > >>> http://ftu.familytreemagazine.com/surnames-family-search/ > >>> > >>> Debbie > >>> > >>> _____________________________________________ > >>> > > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- Researching Drinkwater surname all over the world, any time, any place, but especially Descendants and Ancestors of Paul Drinkwater, born 1789 in Sandhurst, Gloucestershire, England. GOONS #5057 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/drinkwater.html

These are all taken now Many thanks for the responses, sorry to those who were unlucky Polly

Hi Derek I checked FreeBMD and the two deaths in 1852 are also registered as births in the same quarter, and are likely to have been twins. They would not have been still births, but children who were born and died, maybe even within monutes of their birth, but certainly did live for a short time. Interestingly the only "male" I can find in 1858 is a birth....even checking without a surname does not bring up a variant death. Note that in some cases the births appear in the quarter after the deaths have been registered - at the time I guess the death and burial were uppermost in the minds of everyone concerned, and perhaps it was only pointed out to them that they had to register the birth at a later date. I have come across many such births registered after the deaths when we were indexing the registers here, although not many of them actually fell into the next quarter. With the stillborn children I have found in burial registers I have yet to find anything for them in a GRO index of either births or deaths. Many could have course been premature births anyway - some of the born/died ones were noted with the cause of death "premature birth". Not all male/female births went on to die as infants - you may well find that if you order the birth certificate it will have a forename(s) addition in thelast column - some people would not use a name until after formal baptism/christening so the last column allowed for the addition of the forename(s) after baptism and within 12 months of the birth, but this does not get added to the GRO index. Kind regards Polly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Allen via" <goons@rootsweb.com> To: <goons@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 10:18 PM Subject: [G] Registering Stillborn Births I have three instances where stillborn births were registered. Two in 1852 and one in 1858. There were registered as "male Codgbrook" two instances, and "female Codgbrook" once. All three are registered as deaths. Perhaps the Northampton Registrar was unaware of the rules or just covering all eventualities? Festive greetings to all Goons! Derek (Goon #216) -- researching Codgbrook & Westerdale _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The top link is now working for me, so presumably has been fixed. Dai Gilbourne ONS On 20/12/2014 04:40, Sherlock Holmes via wrote: > Hi Joyce, > Nothing wrong with Debbie's link that works fine. > I tried the top link on the page which gave the 404 error, then tried > the one under that, this worked, so clearly the top get My E-book link > is defective. > > On 20/12/2014 12:25 p.m., Joyce Herzog via wrote: >> I tried that and got a >> 404 Not Found >> >> What am I doing wrong? >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 4:54 PM, Debbie Kennett via <goons@rootsweb.com> >> wrote: >>> The US Family Tree Magazine currently have an offer for a free downloadable >>> guide to surnames: >>> >>> http://ftu.familytreemagazine.com/surnames-family-search/ >>> >>> Debbie >>> >>> _____________________________________________ >>>

Thanks for this info. It seems I may have to rethink (or consider buying more certificates)the evidence for the twins of my great aunt being still born. I have her death certificate which shows she died 23rd March 1914 from eclampsia. The twins births and deaths are registered for the March quarter of 1914. Considering the lack of success in treating eclapmsia at that time, I assumed the twins (& especially as they were twins)had died at birth at the same time as their mother. Before I do get the certificates, perhaps, Chris doing the Broomfield ONS may have them as she was born Broomfield. Nikki #6552 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Polly Rubery via" <goons@rootsweb.com> To: "William Colbourne" <colbourne@btinternet.com>, goons@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, 19 December, 2014 7:44:10 PM Subject: Re: [G] Registering Still-born births Hi Christine As Janet wrote in reply to the original query Stillbirths have only been registered since 1927. Before that as there was no "birth" and no "death" they were not registered in anyway. BUT their burial is often noted in the local cemetery, as "Stillborn child of......". I have managed to fill in some gaps from those entries, but only where there is one family of the surname in an area. When there are multiple families giving birth over the same period it becomes a little more difficult. For still births since 1927 the next of kin can apply to the GRO for a copy of the register entry. These have never been kept locally the details were always sent direct to the GRO who maintain the register. Polly ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Colbourne via" <goons@rootsweb.com> To: "Janet Few" <janetfew@hotmail.com>; <goons@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [G] Registering Still-born births Can I also ask a question on this subject? My husband's great grandmother had 11 children in the 1870/80s. They were all registered. However, present day cousins maintain there were also twins who died either at birth or very soon after. I have not found birth or death entries for them. Am I right then in assuming there was no requirement to register such events at that time? Many thanks Christine 2746 SIVERS/SIVER/SIVIER/SIVYER ________________________________ From: Janet Few via <goons@rootsweb.com> To: GOONS List <GOONS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, 19 December 2014, 18:03 Subject: [G] Registering Still-born births Yes Brian they have been registered since 1927 but it was a separate register from the live births. Janet #1136 -----Original Message----- From: Brian Horridge via Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 5:33 PM To: goons@rootsweb.com Subject: [G] Registering Still-born births Can someone help please. I'm doing some research for a cousin into someone who was born in 1964 in Kensington and the family story is that he was a twin and the other twin died in childbirth. I've found his GRO birth entry but not the twin's. I believe it is mandatory nowadays to register still births but can anyone tell me if it was the same in 1964 ?? Many thanks Brian _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I was recently very surprised to find the announcement of a still-birth in a local newspaper to an aunt of mine in 1934. I hadn't been aware that this had happened, and I have never seen another similar notice. Adrian On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 9:46 PM, Brian Horridge via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Polly > >> For still births since 1927 the next of kin can apply to the GRO for a copy >> of the register entry. These have never been kept locally the details were >> always sent direct to the GRO who maintain the register. >> >> > > Are these central registers accessible on line ?? > > Brian > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Joyce I think you have to fill in your e-mail address on the very last box on the page. Debbie ________________________________ From: joyce.herzog@gmail.com [mailto:joyce.herzog@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Joyce Herzog Sent: 19 December 2014 23:25 To: Debbie Kennett; GOONS mailing list Subject: Re: [G] Free surnames booklet from Family Tree Magazine I tried that and got a 404 Not Found What am I doing wrong?

I have three instances where stillborn births were registered. Two in 1852 and one in 1858. There were registered as "male Codgbrook" two instances, and "female Codgbrook" once. All three are registered as deaths. Perhaps the Northampton Registrar was unaware of the rules or just covering all eventualities? Festive greetings to all Goons! Derek (Goon #216) -- researching Codgbrook & Westerdale

The US Family Tree Magazine currently have an offer for a free downloadable guide to surnames: http://ftu.familytreemagazine.com/surnames-family-search/ Debbie

Polly > For still births since 1927 the next of kin can apply to the GRO for a copy > of the register entry. These have never been kept locally the details were > always sent direct to the GRO who maintain the register. > > Are these central registers accessible on line ?? Brian