Hi One-Namers everywhere Hi Tessa, I read your blog with interest and a certain amount of amusement, and I might say, have printed it off to refer to later. I'm pretty sure you started your research a lot more recently than me, I started forth on this perilous journey way back in 1972, I had heard of computers indeed I had used them in a work environment, The first-one, being the one the RAF had, in those far off halcyon days was the size of a double-decked bus, and we pushed in miles of punched paper tape from teleprinter's at one's unit, perhaps half way across the world, and got out reams of gobbledy-gook, usually caused by an input clerk entering an O instead of an 0, it didn't like that at all. In 1977 I moved from a card index of 25 shoeboxes of 5"x3" cards, to an Amstrad 6128 which wrote in CPM/AMSDOS and used 3" diskettes each side hold 64k of data, I have since then owned about 7 or 8 machines with 4 or 5 operation systems, and a equal number of different software packages & am currently using RootsMagic 7, and just occasionally a record pops up with a reference number that identifies it as being from the early days. A genealogical Do-Over sounds terrifying but shouldn't be so, My recommendations are as follows:- Cut your own furrow, on no account add anyone else's GEDCOM to your master file, create a fresh file clearly identified as being awaiting verification. Cite your sources, I still find records with no indication as to where the information came from, I recommend 'Evidence Explained' by Elizabeth Shown Mills (ISBN: 9780806317816) obtainable from Amazon & Mastering Genealogical Proof by Thomas W Jones published by National Genealogical Society at 3108 Columbia Pike, Suite 300, Arlington, Virginia 22204-4370 USA www.ngsgenealogy.org. If you do nothing else use your software's problem checking for entries like where Mary Ann Laws had a child at 156 or the child that was born before it's parents birth or after their deaths. Let me take this opportunity to wish you all a very happy new year John P Laws Registrar Laws Family Register Putting Flesh on the Bones of History http://lawsfamilyregister.tribalpages.com http://lawsandlawes.blogspot.com

Adrian, A part answer... AFAIK, Marriage records are retained in the GRO Index Registers indefinitely. The entries are not removed if the couple are divorced, so I doubt if they would be for annulment. It should be possible to get a certificate from the details in the Index. A similar situation exists for adoption. The original birth Registration Index entry is retained, even though the original certificate has to be handed in. Recently we had to get a copy of an 'original' birth cert for a passport application - an adoption certificate was not considered sufficient! HTH, Ken On 30 December 2014 at 15:32, Adrian Abbott via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I have recently looked at two aspects of marriages in my ONS that > cause me to question how marriages may be recorded. > > Firstly, a couple who lived together for two years, then married and > continue to live together. The wife now states that the marriage (in > England) has been annulled without giving details. How is Annullment > dealt with in the records - since the marriage would have appeared in > the GRO listings, would it now have been removed? And if one applied > for a copy of the marriage certificate using the original GRO > reference, would one get it, or a statement explaining it had been > invalidated, or what? > > Secondly I have two instances of adoption in the USA where the birth > registrations have been changed. In both cases the respective mothers > had a child by a first marriage, which was registered as usual. The > couples then divorced and re-married, the second fathers legally > adopting the children in question. The births were then re-registered > changing the children's surnames, giving the adoptive father's names > as the actual fathers, with their ages and occupations at the date of > birth and naming the fathers as Informants of the births. In other > words, there is no evidence that there has been a change of the > fathers, and the only indication I can see is that the date of Filing > is a few years after the births. In fact it appears that the State in > question has knowingly sanctioned deliberately untrue Certificates. > Now I can see that this may be desirable in some cases, but surely is > very questionable, and I know one of the children had great problems > obtaining a Passport when the difference in dates was noticed. If this > has happened, is there any paper trail that would enable the original > birth details to be found? > > Adrian > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Being a suspicious sort I’m always wary of sites like this. There was obviously some cost involved in setting it up so you wonder what the motives are for offering this information. At first glance quite a lot of it seems to have been harvested from telephone directories and trade publications and, certainly as far as my own study is concerned, all but two of the 35 people listed are in the US or Canada and the information for the two British Serpells is incorrect. Anyone know who is running this site? Nick Serpell The Serpell One Name Study www.serpell.org Member of The Society of Genealogists The Guild of One-Name Studies Cornwall Family History Society Researching Serpells across the world > On 31 Dec 2014, at 11:59, Polly Rubery via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Christine Usher wrote: > >>> it asked me for my credit card details before i could blink<< > > It says FREE at the top of each page and I used it with no problem this > morning. Perhaps you have clicked on one of the adverts which lead to pages > like Ancestry etc (just like people keep saying that they have to pay to use > FreeBMD)? > > One thing that I have noticed this time is that some of the lines are now > blank beyond the National flag. I wonder if this is where people have asked > to have their details removed? > > Happy New Year to all > Polly > > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Christine Usher wrote: >>it asked me for my credit card details before i could blink<< It says FREE at the top of each page and I used it with no problem this morning. Perhaps you have clicked on one of the adverts which lead to pages like Ancestry etc (just like people keep saying that they have to pay to use FreeBMD)? One thing that I have noticed this time is that some of the lines are now blank beyond the National flag. I wonder if this is where people have asked to have their details removed? Happy New Year to all Polly

it asked me for my credit card details before i could blink On 12 December 2014 at 04:26, Jim Benedict via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Are you searching for all living instances of your surname in the world? > Are you looking for everyone in your postal/zip code? Do you want to plow > through over 2 million family names and over 240 million living individuals? > Especially if they live in: Canada, Bogota Columbia, New Delhi India, > Macedonia, Romania, United Kingdom or the USA? Then I have just the search > website for you. > > Not sure if it has been mentioned previously: http://www.locatefamily.com/ > > It is a bit uncanny. I was able to locate myself quickly by postal code, > including my phone number, and also for everyone on my block. This was the > Street search. If you do the Surname search, you also get (once you find > it) your relative or yourself, full address, phone number, and map link. > > It gets downright scary, just how much information is out there. This seems > to be better than the usual 411.com or the whitepages.com or similar > searches. Cannot spot any advertising, no need for login, nor do you get > only partial information. So, this is how the private dicks can locate your > wayward spouse. > > The website states that there are 21 million people in 27 countries starting > with "B" in the surname. Also, 11,634 names and 762,810 people starting > with "Ben". So I must have 10,000+ Benedict's lurking somewhere in the > lists. It is going to be a long, long night. > > Jim Benedict > Guild Representative for Western Canada > Guild of One-Name Studies: Guild member #4794 > Calgary, Alberta > www.BenedictGenerations.com > ======================================================== > > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Thanks to those that have had a bit of a look into this one for me. As John rightly says something must of happened to John McKinley GRIMASON the question is what? , when and where?. As outlined I suspect he may have been put up for adoption. John McKinley GRIMASON was not with his parents in 1910 or 1916 or even 1921. I was well aware of the Jones surname usage for Samuel J GRIMASON AKA JONES. Samuel J GRIMASON was still a married man and Lily McKinley was still a married woman and neither of their respective spouses had died prior to 1908 no divorce issued in England either. Samuel John GRIMASON was not legally entitled to remarry until 1942 as that is the year that his wife in England died. In 1910 John McKinley GRIMASON would have been aged 2, by 1916 he would have been 8 and by 1921 he would have been 13 if he was known as a McKinley he ought to have still shown up in the Census he does not. As for the Wikitree, unfortunately it is incorrect based on the research I have done, it is a mix of two different families and secondly it does not show the only known legal Marriage for Samuel either. I have sent a message to the Tree owner and hopefully they will correct the tree. On 30/12/2014 12:19 p.m., John Carey wrote: > David > > The birth registration says that the child's parents are Samuel Grimason and > Lily McKinley and gives Samuel's occupation as a grocer but have you checked > the second page of the border crossing manifest? He is identified as a > 'Procurer' and she as a 'Prostitute'!. That and the border crossing card > give his alias as Jones and hers as Johnson. Maybe they just abandoned the > child or the child was taken into care if she was arrested. > > In any case, there was a Samuel and Lily Grimason living in Regina, > Saskatchewan at the time of the 1916 census and in Winnipeg in the 1921 > census - both instances with no children so something must have happened to > him. > > John Carey (GOONS 6565) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: goons-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:goons-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Sherlock Holmes via > Sent: December-29-14 10:37 AM > To: goons@rootsweb.com > Subject: [G] Possible Adoption > > > Hi, > I have a person in my database that I suspect may have been adopted out in > Canada. > The reason that I suspect that the individual may have been adopted out is > that his parents tried crossing the border at Buffalo Creek, New York, USA > in November 1910 and were turned back, there is no mention of their child > yet that child ought to have been two years old at that time, the couple > were not married and in a relationship that would have been deemed not legal > in England as the father was still married and his proper wife was still > alive in England. > What is known is the birth full name of the individual and the birth date as > follows; John McKinley GRIMASON > Born: 30 August 1908 > Place of Birth: York, Yorkville, Canada. > > I have not been able to find any death for this individual either hence the > reason I suspect that he may have been adopted out. > Question I have is, is there away of finding out if this individual was > adopted out and what their Name became as i would like to be able to trace > this one forward if possible. > Please help if you can, thanks in advance. > > regards, > David J Grimshaw (or is it Grimason?) > Genealogical Researcher of the "Grimason" surname and variations of the > "Grimason" surname World Wide. > A One Name study registered with the Guild of One Name Studies (GOONS): 6138 > formally 2962 The "Sherlock Holmes" of this family according to some > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > -- David J Grimshaw (or is it Grimason?) Genealogical Researcher of the "Grimason" surname and variations of the "Grimason" surname World Wide. A One Name study registered with the Guild of One Name Studies (GOONS): 6138 formally 2962 The "Sherlock Holmes" of this family according to some

There are also Grimet, Grimmitt and Grimot marriages in the Easthamstead area, all variants of your name! Clive -----Original Message----- From: goons-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:goons-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter Copsey via Sent: 30 December 2014 17:22 To: SHIRLEY POWER; goons@rootsweb.com Cc: killick@one-name.org Subject: Re: [G] Easthampstead (Berkshire) Marriage Challenge 1837-1911 It should be GRIMMETT, of course, not GIMMETT. The result is correct - Mar 1878 GRIMMETT Thomas was married ref 2c 613. Peter -----Original Message----- From: Peter Copsey via Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:52 PM To: SHIRLEY POWER ; goons@rootsweb.com Cc: killick@one-name.org Subject: Re: [G] Easthampstead (Berkshire) Marriage Challenge 1837-1911 Hello Shirley, I need to explain how Marriage Challenge works. For districts in England and Wales, and Easthamstead is one of them, you need to check whether you have any GIMMETT (and variants) marriages registered there for the dates of the Challenge. 1837 - 1911 means Quarter 3 1837 (when registration began) to Quarter 4 1911. You should use FreeBMD for this. Go to this page - http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl and insert the search parameters. This means select "Marriages", select Easthamstead District (it is described as Easthamstead (to Mar 1937)), put in your Name GIMMETT in "Surname" and select the date range Sep 1837 to Dec 1911; Press Find. You get one hit for GIMMETT - Mar 1878, GIMMETT Thomas was married ref 2c 613. This is the info needed by the Challenger. Most Challengers prefer you to transfer this info to the standard MC search template which you can find on the MC page here http://www.one-name.org/members/mchallenge.html Just remove all the Copsey entries and replace with Gimmett. You need to do this for any more marriages found for your variants. I hope you can now join in with Marriage Challenge and get the most out of being a Guild member. Kind regards, Peter -----Original Message----- From: SHIRLEY POWER via Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 9:31 AM To: Clive Killick ; goons@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G] Easthampstead (Berkshire) Marriage Challenge 1837-1911 Peter My research name is GRIMMETT would you be able to look out for any or do you need exact dates. Sorry not sure how this all works. Shirley Power 6171 ________________________________ From: Clive Killick via <goons@rootsweb.com> To: goons@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 30 December 2014, 8:57 Subject: [G] Easthampstead (Berkshire) Marriage Challenge 1837-1911 Less than a month until the 25 January 2015 cut off date for requests. Peter Copsey told me to expect over 300 requests, but to date only 105 requests have been received. I know there are more than 1500 'GOONS' marriages in the district. So, where are the Abbott, Acres, Adshead, Alefounder, Allen, Allsop, Appleford, Ashe, Atwood, Auger, Austin, Babington, Bampton, Barnard, Bartholomew, . Yoxall, Yule, Zacksfield, Zanzig et al requests? If you have sent a request and not received a reply please advise me. My best wishes to you all for a happy and peaceful New Year. Clive Clive Killick Hon. Sec. Killick Society Guild of One-Name Studies Member #2398 Rootsweb Killick_List administrator _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It should be GRIMMETT, of course, not GIMMETT. The result is correct - Mar 1878 GRIMMETT Thomas was married ref 2c 613. Peter -----Original Message----- From: Peter Copsey via Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:52 PM To: SHIRLEY POWER ; goons@rootsweb.com Cc: killick@one-name.org Subject: Re: [G] Easthampstead (Berkshire) Marriage Challenge 1837-1911 Hello Shirley, I need to explain how Marriage Challenge works. For districts in England and Wales, and Easthamstead is one of them, you need to check whether you have any GIMMETT (and variants) marriages registered there for the dates of the Challenge. 1837 - 1911 means Quarter 3 1837 (when registration began) to Quarter 4 1911. You should use FreeBMD for this. Go to this page - http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl and insert the search parameters. This means select "Marriages", select Easthamstead District (it is described as Easthamstead (to Mar 1937)), put in your Name GIMMETT in "Surname" and select the date range Sep 1837 to Dec 1911; Press Find. You get one hit for GIMMETT - Mar 1878, GIMMETT Thomas was married ref 2c 613. This is the info needed by the Challenger. Most Challengers prefer you to transfer this info to the standard MC search template which you can find on the MC page here http://www.one-name.org/members/mchallenge.html Just remove all the Copsey entries and replace with Gimmett. You need to do this for any more marriages found for your variants. I hope you can now join in with Marriage Challenge and get the most out of being a Guild member. Kind regards, Peter -----Original Message----- From: SHIRLEY POWER via Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 9:31 AM To: Clive Killick ; goons@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G] Easthampstead (Berkshire) Marriage Challenge 1837-1911 Peter My research name is GRIMMETT would you be able to look out for any or do you need exact dates. Sorry not sure how this all works. Shirley Power 6171 ________________________________ From: Clive Killick via <goons@rootsweb.com> To: goons@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 30 December 2014, 8:57 Subject: [G] Easthampstead (Berkshire) Marriage Challenge 1837-1911 Less than a month until the 25 January 2015 cut off date for requests. Peter Copsey told me to expect over 300 requests, but to date only 105 requests have been received. I know there are more than 1500 'GOONS' marriages in the district. So, where are the Abbott, Acres, Adshead, Alefounder, Allen, Allsop, Appleford, Ashe, Atwood, Auger, Austin, Babington, Bampton, Barnard, Bartholomew, . Yoxall, Yule, Zacksfield, Zanzig et al requests? If you have sent a request and not received a reply please advise me. My best wishes to you all for a happy and peaceful New Year. Clive Clive Killick Hon. Sec. Killick Society Guild of One-Name Studies Member #2398 Rootsweb Killick_List administrator _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have recently looked at two aspects of marriages in my ONS that cause me to question how marriages may be recorded. Firstly, a couple who lived together for two years, then married and continue to live together. The wife now states that the marriage (in England) has been annulled without giving details. How is Annullment dealt with in the records - since the marriage would have appeared in the GRO listings, would it now have been removed? And if one applied for a copy of the marriage certificate using the original GRO reference, would one get it, or a statement explaining it had been invalidated, or what? Secondly I have two instances of adoption in the USA where the birth registrations have been changed. In both cases the respective mothers had a child by a first marriage, which was registered as usual. The couples then divorced and re-married, the second fathers legally adopting the children in question. The births were then re-registered changing the children's surnames, giving the adoptive father's names as the actual fathers, with their ages and occupations at the date of birth and naming the fathers as Informants of the births. In other words, there is no evidence that there has been a change of the fathers, and the only indication I can see is that the date of Filing is a few years after the births. In fact it appears that the State in question has knowingly sanctioned deliberately untrue Certificates. Now I can see that this may be desirable in some cases, but surely is very questionable, and I know one of the children had great problems obtaining a Passport when the difference in dates was noticed. If this has happened, is there any paper trail that would enable the original birth details to be found? Adrian

Shirley To know more about Marriage Challenges, it's probably worth looking at the Marriage Challenge part of the Guild's website (or reading one of the regular articles in the Guild's magazine JOONs). This link will take you to the page on the old web site (but you'll need to get a login for it):- http://www.one-name.org/members/mchallenge.html Separate to the Easthampstead MC, I'm doing one for Amersham Registration District for the years 1837 to 1951 (later than the normal MCs) and I see there are about 14 Grimmet(t) marriages there. The website (or JOONs) above tells you how to submit requests to the MC'er. My closure date for requests is 31st January 2015. Brian Horridge On 30/12/2014 09:31, SHIRLEY POWER via wrote: > Peter > > My research name is GRIMMETT would you be able to look out for any or do you need exact dates. Sorry not sure how this all works. > > Shirley Power > 6171 > > > ________________________________ > From: Clive Killick via <goons@rootsweb.com> > To: goons@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, 30 December 2014, 8:57 > Subject: [G] Easthampstead (Berkshire) Marriage Challenge 1837-1911 > > > Less than a month until the 25 January 2015 cut off date for requests. > > Peter Copsey told me to expect over 300 requests, but to date only 105 > requests have been received. I know there are more than 1500 'GOONS' > marriages in the district. > > So, where are the Abbott, Acres, Adshead, Alefounder, Allen, Allsop, > Appleford, Ashe, Atwood, Auger, Austin, Babington, Bampton, Barnard, > Bartholomew, . Yoxall, Yule, Zacksfield, Zanzig et al requests? > > If you have sent a request and not received a reply please advise me. > > My best wishes to you all for a happy and peaceful New Year. > > Clive > > Clive Killick > Hon. Sec. > Killick Society > Guild of One-Name Studies Member #2398 > Rootsweb Killick_List administrator > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Shirley, I need to explain how Marriage Challenge works. For districts in England and Wales, and Easthamstead is one of them, you need to check whether you have any GIMMETT (and variants) marriages registered there for the dates of the Challenge. 1837 - 1911 means Quarter 3 1837 (when registration began) to Quarter 4 1911. You should use FreeBMD for this. Go to this page - http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl and insert the search parameters. This means select "Marriages", select Easthamstead District (it is described as Easthamstead (to Mar 1937)), put in your Name GIMMETT in "Surname" and select the date range Sep 1837 to Dec 1911; Press Find. You get one hit for GIMMETT - Mar 1878, GIMMETT Thomas was married ref 2c 613. This is the info needed by the Challenger. Most Challengers prefer you to transfer this info to the standard MC search template which you can find on the MC page here http://www.one-name.org/members/mchallenge.html Just remove all the Copsey entries and replace with Gimmett. You need to do this for any more marriages found for your variants. I hope you can now join in with Marriage Challenge and get the most out of being a Guild member. Kind regards, Peter -----Original Message----- From: SHIRLEY POWER via Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 9:31 AM To: Clive Killick ; goons@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G] Easthampstead (Berkshire) Marriage Challenge 1837-1911 Peter My research name is GRIMMETT would you be able to look out for any or do you need exact dates. Sorry not sure how this all works. Shirley Power 6171 ________________________________ From: Clive Killick via <goons@rootsweb.com> To: goons@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 30 December 2014, 8:57 Subject: [G] Easthampstead (Berkshire) Marriage Challenge 1837-1911 Less than a month until the 25 January 2015 cut off date for requests. Peter Copsey told me to expect over 300 requests, but to date only 105 requests have been received. I know there are more than 1500 'GOONS' marriages in the district. So, where are the Abbott, Acres, Adshead, Alefounder, Allen, Allsop, Appleford, Ashe, Atwood, Auger, Austin, Babington, Bampton, Barnard, Bartholomew, . Yoxall, Yule, Zacksfield, Zanzig et al requests? If you have sent a request and not received a reply please advise me. My best wishes to you all for a happy and peaceful New Year. Clive Clive Killick Hon. Sec. Killick Society Guild of One-Name Studies Member #2398 Rootsweb Killick_List administrator _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hopefully by now all members will have received their January issue of the Journal, or will do so within the next few days, which as always is an excellent read. Can I draw your attention to the article on the Conference and AGM to be held the Forest Pines Hotel and Golf Resort from 27th to 29th March 2015.  I am confident this will be a great Conference and I can confirm the Hotel is excellent with very good access within the complex and really good facilities. I would remind you that bookings made before the end of January 2015 will qualify for an Early Bird discount. Here is a link to the appropriate page on our web site - http://www.one-name.org/conf2015_Brigg.html Here you will find links to either book on line or print off a booking form to send off. Also in with your Journal you will find a nomination form, on one side is the nomination form for election to the Committee and on the other side a self nomination form for the various Guild posts.  Please do consider volunteering for the Committee or one of the many posts.  If you need more information please contact me at - volunteers@one-name.org Peter Hagger 4177 Conference Organiser with Cliff Kemball Volunteers Co-ordinator

Another alternative could be something congenital even though it sound late in life. Huntingdon's chorea springs to mind but even with that tends to lead to death alert in life. If an infection was brought back, tuberculosis is a possibility Nikki (dr) #6552 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Corinne Curtis via" <goons@rootsweb.com> To: goons@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 29 December, 2014 10:05:42 PM Subject: [G] Any idea what killed four siblings? I've just come across something unusual in four siblings (teenage to early 20's) dying in succession over a period of about 3 years, as follows: Thomas travels from Camperdown, Victoria, Australia, to Rome (studying for the priesthood), returns ill in 1932, and dies Jun 1936, aged 28. His sister Norah dies April 1937 aged 19. Another sister Patricia dies Jan 1938 aged 21. Another sister Margaret dies Sep 1939 aged 17. >From the sequence of deaths, my theory is that Thomas brought back some kind of contagious illness from Rome, and then passed it on to his sisters. Thomas was said to have been ill for about 5 years, and was sick enough to return to Australia four years before his death. I know the only way to conclusively find out would be to obtain death certificates, but does anyone have any theories on what might have killed them? Corinne Curtis #5579 _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That was my thought too, June and Fiona. All of them had been ailing for some time. I did wonder why it seemed to get the young ones, though in hindsight, the girls would have been the ones likely to be at home and spending more time with their ill brother, and therefore been more exposed to airborne sick room bugs. Corinne Curtis #5579 On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 11:11 PM, June Willing <june.willing@one-name.org> wrote: > Hi Corinne > > The most likely explanation would be tuberculosis. This was commonly passed > on to other members of a family. Two of my great-grandfather's brothers died > of it, aged 25 and 23, within the space of a few months. This was in the > 1890s, but it remained a killer until the 1940s. > > June Willing > Guild of One-Name Studies member no 2117 > Willing/Willings One-Name Study > http://one-name.org/name_profile/Willing/ > Willing/Willings DNA Project > http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Willing/ > Dominicus One-Name Study > http://one-name.org/name_profile/dominicus-2/ > > > > On 29 Dec 2014, at 22:05, Corinne Curtis via wrote: > >> I've just come across something unusual in four siblings (teenage to >> early 20's) dying in succession over a period of about 3 years, as >> follows: >> >> Thomas travels from Camperdown, Victoria, Australia, to Rome (studying >> for the priesthood), returns ill in 1932, and dies Jun 1936, aged 28. >> His sister Norah dies April 1937 aged 19. >> Another sister Patricia dies Jan 1938 aged 21. >> Another sister Margaret dies Sep 1939 aged 17. >> >>> From the sequence of deaths, my theory is that Thomas brought back >> >> some kind of contagious illness from Rome, and then passed it on to >> his sisters. Thomas was said to have been ill for about 5 years, and >> was sick enough to return to Australia four years before his death. >> >> I know the only way to conclusively find out would be to obtain death >> certificates, but does anyone have any theories on what might have >> killed them? >> >> Corinne Curtis >> #5579 >> _____________________________________________ >> >> RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc >> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >> the subject and the body of the message > >

Peter My research name is GRIMMETT  would you be able to look out for any or do you need exact dates. Sorry not sure how this all works. Shirley Power 6171 ________________________________ From: Clive Killick via <goons@rootsweb.com> To: goons@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 30 December 2014, 8:57 Subject: [G] Easthampstead (Berkshire) Marriage Challenge 1837-1911 Less than a month until the 25 January 2015 cut off date for requests. Peter Copsey told me to expect over 300 requests, but to date only 105 requests have been received. I know there are more than 1500 'GOONS' marriages in the district. So, where are the Abbott, Acres, Adshead, Alefounder, Allen, Allsop, Appleford, Ashe, Atwood, Auger, Austin, Babington, Bampton, Barnard, Bartholomew, . Yoxall, Yule, Zacksfield, Zanzig et al requests? If you have sent a request and not received a reply please advise me. My best wishes to you all for a happy and peaceful New Year. Clive Clive Killick Hon. Sec. Killick Society Guild of One-Name Studies Member #2398 Rootsweb Killick_List administrator _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

TB? Fiona 5538 On 29 Dec 2014, at 22:05, Corinne Curtis via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I've just come across something unusual in four siblings (teenage to > early 20's) dying in succession over a period of about 3 years, as > follows: > > Thomas travels from Camperdown, Victoria, Australia, to Rome (studying > for the priesthood), returns ill in 1932, and dies Jun 1936, aged 28. > His sister Norah dies April 1937 aged 19. > Another sister Patricia dies Jan 1938 aged 21. > Another sister Margaret dies Sep 1939 aged 17. > >> From the sequence of deaths, my theory is that Thomas brought back > some kind of contagious illness from Rome, and then passed it on to > his sisters. Thomas was said to have been ill for about 5 years, and > was sick enough to return to Australia four years before his death. > > I know the only way to conclusively find out would be to obtain death > certificates, but does anyone have any theories on what might have > killed them? > > Corinne Curtis > #5579 > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Less than a month until the 25 January 2015 cut off date for requests. Peter Copsey told me to expect over 300 requests, but to date only 105 requests have been received. I know there are more than 1500 'GOONS' marriages in the district. So, where are the Abbott, Acres, Adshead, Alefounder, Allen, Allsop, Appleford, Ashe, Atwood, Auger, Austin, Babington, Bampton, Barnard, Bartholomew, . Yoxall, Yule, Zacksfield, Zanzig et al requests? If you have sent a request and not received a reply please advise me. My best wishes to you all for a happy and peaceful New Year. Clive Clive Killick Hon. Sec. Killick Society Guild of One-Name Studies Member #2398 Rootsweb Killick_List administrator

The original parish register is at the West Sussex Record Office in Chichester. If you are able to visit WSRO, you can make a photocopy from the fiche from their self-service copiers. They also have a postal photocopying service. You will find the details at http://www.westsussex.gov.uk/leisure/record_office_and_archives/our_services /copying.aspx . Best wishes, Marion Woolgar Bognor Regis, West Sussex Guild ONS No: 1739

David If John Mckinley Grimason was 'adopted' in Ontario in the early twentieth century, I seriously doubt that records exist that would help resolve what happened to him or, if they exist and identified him, a researcher could easily get access to them. Adoption was not recognized in Ontario as a legislated legal process until 1921. Prior to that, it was a private matter and there were many agencies that could have facilitated it. They were subject to government inspection of a sort but whatever records they kept were their own and, as far as I know, they remain so. While the most likely agency in Toronto would likely have been the local Children's Aid Society and you might want to contact them , there were many others. Many of these pre-dated the CAS and were involved in the placement of tens of thousands of orphans and other children who were sent from Britain to Canada in the later decades of the 19th century. In fact, some of the procedures employed by the Ontario CAS were modeled on Dr. Barnardo's scheme for the placement of British children in Canadian homes. Adoption information in Ontario was placed in closed files from 1927 on and to this day is available only to the birth parents and the adoptee and only with the consent of both. John Carey (GOONS 6565) -----Original Message----- From: goons-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:goons-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sherlock Holmes via Sent: December-30-14 1:35 AM To: goons@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G] Possible Adoption Hi, Thanks to those that have had a bit of a look into this one for me. As John rightly says something must of happened to John McKinley GRIMASON the question is what? , when and where?. As outlined I suspect he may have been put up for adoption. John McKinley GRIMASON was not with his parents in 1910 or 1916 or even 1921. I was well aware of the Jones surname usage for Samuel J GRIMASON AKA JONES. Samuel J GRIMASON was still a married man and Lily McKinley was still a married woman and neither of their respective spouses had died prior to 1908 no divorce issued in England either. Samuel John GRIMASON was not legally entitled to remarry until 1942 as that is the year that his wife in England died. In 1910 John McKinley GRIMASON would have been aged 2, by 1916 he would have been 8 and by 1921 he would have been 13 if he was known as a McKinley he ought to have still shown up in the Census he does not. As for the Wikitree, unfortunately it is incorrect based on the research I have done, it is a mix of two different families and secondly it does not show the only known legal Marriage for Samuel either. I have sent a message to the Tree owner and hopefully they will correct the tree.

Hi, I have a person in my database that I suspect may have been adopted out in Canada. The reason that I suspect that the individual may have been adopted out is that his parents tried crossing the border at Buffalo Creek, New York, USA in November 1910 and were turned back, there is no mention of their child yet that child ought to have been two years old at that time, the couple were not married and in a relationship that would have been deemed not legal in England as the father was still married and his proper wife was still alive in England. What is known is the birth full name of the individual and the birth date as follows; John McKinley GRIMASON Born: 30 August 1908 Place of Birth: York, Yorkville, Canada. I have not been able to find any death for this individual either hence the reason I suspect that he may have been adopted out. Question I have is, is there away of finding out if this individual was adopted out and what their Name became as i would like to be able to trace this one forward if possible. Please help if you can, thanks in advance. regards, David J Grimshaw (or is it Grimason?) Genealogical Researcher of the "Grimason" surname and variations of the "Grimason" surname World Wide. A One Name study registered with the Guild of One Name Studies (GOONS): 6138 formally 2962 The "Sherlock Holmes" of this family according to some