You have to register the death where the person died and not where they lived. Maybe this person died away from home and the person registering the death registered it where they lived, then realised that this was incorrect. As one of the questions is 'where did they die?' you'd think the 'wrong' registrar would have halted the process at this point though. Alternatively (depending on where you are accessing the information from) perhaps there has been an indexing error - whether on Ancestry/Freebmd etc - or, if you have seen the images of the registers, the error could have been in compiling the central indexes somehow. Almost worth £18.50 to get the death certificates to see if that helps. Janet #1136 -----Original Message----- From: Paul Howes via Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 2:51 AM To: goons@rootsweb.com Subject: [G] Two death registrations? Folks, in England and Wales, is there any way a one single death might have been registered twice in two different districts? Reason I ask is that we've just discovered two people with the same relatively unusual name who both died in the same quarter in 1984, one in Kent and one in Lancashire. Amazingly (we think!) both death records show exactly the same date of birth! Could it be one person? I've never had to register a death in England. So I don't know the procedure, but it would seem like there has to be some kind of control over the registration of deaths, eg, an original certificate from a qualified physician. Ergo, it seems like we've stumbled into a massive co-incidence. Just want to eliminate the unlikely . . . TIA for any help Paul -- Paul Howes www.howesfamilies.com Researching House, Howes, Hows, Howse & Howze worldwide _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would have thought it could have happened in 19th C but very unlikely in 1980's. One possibility that comes to mind if it is the same person that the death was registered within a couple of days of the event in one place, then the cause of death was questioned or some other item was wrong on the certificate that it was re-registered with the correct details a short while later in another place, they just failed to cancel the first one. Can you discover where the person was living before death through directories/electoral rolls or a member of the family. Perhaps he had two families in different parts of the country! From Merryl Wells of Luton, Beds. E-Mail: merryl.wells@one-name.org GOONS Mem. No. 1757 Reg. ONS: Bawtree; Gullick/ock, Moist/Moyst. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Howes via" <goons@rootsweb.com> To: <goons@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 2:51 AM Subject: [G] Two death registrations? > Folks, in England and Wales, is there any way a one single death might > have been registered twice in two different districts? > > Reason I ask is that we've just discovered two people with the same > relatively unusual name who both died in the same quarter in 1984, one > in Kent and one in Lancashire. Amazingly (we think!) both death > records show exactly the same date of birth! > > Could it be one person? I've never had to register a death in > England. So I don't know the procedure, but it would seem like there > has to be some kind of control over the registration of deaths, eg, an > original certificate from a qualified physician. Ergo, it seems like > we've stumbled into a massive co-incidence. > > Just want to eliminate the unlikely . . . > TIA for any help > Paul > > > > -- > Paul Howes > www.howesfamilies.com > Researching House, Howes, Hows, Howse & Howze worldwide > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Folks, in England and Wales, is there any way a one single death might have been registered twice in two different districts? Reason I ask is that we've just discovered two people with the same relatively unusual name who both died in the same quarter in 1984, one in Kent and one in Lancashire. Amazingly (we think!) both death records show exactly the same date of birth! Could it be one person? I've never had to register a death in England. So I don't know the procedure, but it would seem like there has to be some kind of control over the registration of deaths, eg, an original certificate from a qualified physician. Ergo, it seems like we've stumbled into a massive co-incidence. Just want to eliminate the unlikely . . . TIA for any help Paul -- Paul Howes www.howesfamilies.com Researching House, Howes, Hows, Howse & Howze worldwide

I should perhaps report that I have had no problem whatever in ordering and receiving a will from this site. Geoff 5389 On 14 January 2015 at 00:21, Teresa Goatham via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I had premature notice too (as well as the other problems), nearly a > fortnight before the will appeared - but I never got a timely notice, so > you may need to just keep checking, as I did. > > I know if is a BETA site but in an explanation it says that it should > work properly, I think Beta is meant to mean they intend to improve it, > not to fix it. > I guess it's more the Government being conned, there may have been a > penalty clause if it wasn't launched by a certain date. > > (Just to make it worse I hoped the will would show who the John was who > had married a Jane - they seemed to be childless so I hoped the wider > family would be mentioend, but Jane only mentioned her own family, so > £10 and a long wait for next-to-nothing!) > > Teresa > > On 12/01/2015 11:49, John Commins via wrote: >> still does not cover my original message, but shows that they have problems >> John >> >> >> Good morning, Thank you for your message. >> >> >> We are sorry to hear of your experience of the system. We received >> confirmation of your order on 28/12/2014 and it is due to be serviced >> shortly. We are in the process of retrieving your requested >> document(s) and endeavour to complete the request within 48 hours. The >> notification you have received was sent prematurely due to a technical >> issue. This is under investigation and expected to be resolved very >> soon. If you have not received a result to your request by the due >> date, please let us know and we will be happy to assist further. >> >> Thank you for your co-operation and apologies for the inconvenience caused. >> _____________________________________________ >> >> RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > -- > ------------------------ > Teresa Goatham > > Sign the petition to open historic BMD registers - http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/62779 (UK residents / British citizens only) > > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Geoff Chew geoffchew1@gmail.com

Hi All, It was pointed out to me by John COMMINS, (many thanks for that) contained in the small print was the word 'renounces', which makes even more sense that USA soldiers 'renounced' all allegiances to other countries. In the case of 'my' William, being just 'over' from England, he renounce allegiances to King Goeorge V' BTW the next soldier renounced allegiance to The Government of Russia., another renounces his allegiance to 'Victor Emmauel III, King of Italy' and so on. Regards Tony Anthony John MINGAY, now in NZ once of Kent & Suffolk, England but still researching Worldwide the surname MINGAY & its variants. http://www.mingayhistory.co.uk.

Just 10 days now until the 25 January 2015 cut off date for requests. Since my email of the 30th December the number of requests has risen to 154, but I know there are [Clive Killick] about 1500 'GOONS' marriages in the district. If you have sent a request and not received a [Clive Killick] confirmation of receipt please advise me. Clive Clive Killick Hon. Sec. The Killick Society Guild of One-Name Studies Member #2398 Rootsweb Killick_List administrator

[A second attempt to send this. Apologies if it arrives twice.] Hello everyone, Just to let requesters know that I have completed my repeat Thingoe RD Marriage Challenge 1837-1908. I found 238 of the 251 requested marriages - over 94%. This RD covers 46 small villages, so most people opted to marry in the village church. I use the pencil and paper method at the Archives, and record information straight on to faux certificates. To save the Guild postage costs, I have (rather inexpertly!) scanned the certificates for overseas requesters, and will attach them to emails. Please let me know if there are any problems receiving or downloading them. I shall post most of the UK certificates, and will email anyone whose requests I failed to find. If you expect a result, and haven't heard from me in the next couple of weeks, please contact me. As usual the results of the Challenge will be sent to the Guild Marriage Index. If you wish, please do pass on your results, scans etc. to the Vault and Worldwide marriage index. Kind Regards, Sandra Stevens (2320)

Hi All, I have come across something of interest concerning a Petition for Naturalisation to USA, dated 28 June 1917 of a William MINGAY (yes my 'probelm guy') on which he has signed allegiance to the USA and added in 'handwritng', to King George V, King of England, Wales Scotland & Ireland. I must point out on the same petition it clearly states his occupation is that of a soldier, having 'enlisted' on the 14 June 1917. Logically I see that because of the wide variety of nationalities who emmigrated to the USA such a clause would be in order but have never seen it mentioned before, hence I thought it would be of some interest to others. Regards Tony Anthony John MINGAY, now in NZ once of Kent & Suffolk, England but still researching Worldwide the surname MINGAY & its variants. http://www.mingayhistory.co.uk.

Hi All, I have a problem 'guy', one William MINGAY who has his birth registered in the GRO as Q2 1892 Bury St.Edmunds, Suffolk, England, but it seems the 'trip' to New York, USA in 1912 'addled' his knowledge of his birth/day/month/year, it varies between Apr. 1892 to Jul. 1895, according to which document one refers too. One in particular appears to be more correct, 16 Apr 1892 (USA SSDI); I am of the opinion he has his baptism date ( which may be 16 Jul 1894) mixed up with his birthday. I am unable to get the records of Bury St.Edmunds online so I am asking if someone can do a 'look up' for me in either the registers of St. James as he has brother baptised in that church in 1890 or any other, please. Regards Tony Anthony John MINGAY, now in NZ once of Kent & Suffolk, England but still researching Worldwide the surname MINGAY & its variants. http://www.mingayhistory.co.uk.

Tony, are you sure he is not renouncing his allegiance to King George, as the one I have is clearly stating this John On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 12:08 AM, mingay via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi All, > I have come across something of interest concerning a Petition for > Naturalisation to USA, dated 28 June 1917 of a William MINGAY (yes my > 'probelm guy') on which he has signed allegiance to the USA and added in > 'handwritng', to King George V, King of England, Wales Scotland & Ireland. I > must point out on the same petition it clearly states his occupation is that > of a soldier, having 'enlisted' on the 14 June 1917. > Logically I see that because of the wide variety of nationalities who > emmigrated to the USA such a clause would be in order but have never seen it > mentioned before, hence I thought it would be of some interest to others. > > Regards Tony > Anthony John MINGAY, now in NZ once of Kent & Suffolk, England but still > researching Worldwide the surname MINGAY & its variants. > http://www.mingayhistory.co.uk. > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I had premature notice too (as well as the other problems), nearly a fortnight before the will appeared - but I never got a timely notice, so you may need to just keep checking, as I did. I know if is a BETA site but in an explanation it says that it should work properly, I think Beta is meant to mean they intend to improve it, not to fix it. I guess it's more the Government being conned, there may have been a penalty clause if it wasn't launched by a certain date. (Just to make it worse I hoped the will would show who the John was who had married a Jane - they seemed to be childless so I hoped the wider family would be mentioend, but Jane only mentioned her own family, so £10 and a long wait for next-to-nothing!) Teresa On 12/01/2015 11:49, John Commins via wrote: > still does not cover my original message, but shows that they have problems > John > > > Good morning, Thank you for your message. > > > We are sorry to hear of your experience of the system. We received > confirmation of your order on 28/12/2014 and it is due to be serviced > shortly. We are in the process of retrieving your requested > document(s) and endeavour to complete the request within 48 hours. The > notification you have received was sent prematurely due to a technical > issue. This is under investigation and expected to be resolved very > soon. If you have not received a result to your request by the due > date, please let us know and we will be happy to assist further. > > Thank you for your co-operation and apologies for the inconvenience caused. > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- ------------------------ Teresa Goatham Sign the petition to open historic BMD registers - http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/62779 (UK residents / British citizens only)

The next pair of Guild hangouts on the air take place this Saturday, January 17th. One is for Europe & Australasia, and a separate and later one for members in North America and Europe. Check your Google events page for your local times. Both hangouts will have a loose agenda this time, I believe. The N.A. hangout is suggesting some starter topics. "Legends in the Family Surname". Bring our your rich, your famous, your infamous, your not-so-rich deadbeats. Then, upcoming Guild events, including the March conference & AGM. Then for the brave amongst you, let's hear your list of ONS New Year's Resolutions. See you there, Jim Benedict Guild Representative for Western Canada Guild of One-Name Studies: Guild member #4794 Calgary, Alberta www.BenedictGenerations.com ========================================================

Registration for a British Library reader's pass can now be completed in person at their additional Reading Room at Boston Spa in Yorkshire which has recently been refurbished: http://www.bl.uk/aboutus/quickinfo/loc/bsp/ There is a roll out of increased access to material at this mid-country site including non-digitised or microfilmed hard copy newspapers. The later stored in Yorkshire following the closure of Colindale. Anyone considering visiting do please check with their Customer Services if the material you want is accessible before travelling. Best wishes Jackie Mrs Jacqueline G Depelle Family History Tutor, Speaker and Fair Organiser www.yorksgroup.org.uk Chairman, Yorkshire Group of FHSs www.yourfairladies.co.uk

Yes, I pointed out that a reader's ticket is required, and they do need to satisfy themselves (owing to pressure on the library) that it's for serious research purposes. And you have to visit reader registration personally at St Pancras. But I've had a BL reader's ticket for many years, and only heard about this particular archive today. Especially for African papers (South Africa, Zimbabwe, the Portuguese territories, East Africa, etc) and for papers in Central and South America, it's a wonderful resource. Geoff On 12 January 2015 at 21:59, Gene Prescott <prescottg@gmail.com> wrote: > Apparently a live visit is required to complete registration. > > On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 3:51 PM, Geoff Chew via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> I wonder how many others have been unaware that the British Library >> has a searchable archive of world newspapers accessible online? There >> are numerous African, Asian, American newspapers there which I imagine >> are otherwise unavailable. Access is restricted to those with a >> current British Library reader's ticket with its associated userid and >> password, however - but if you have those, the archive can be reached >> at >> https://eresources.remote.bl.uk:2443/login >> >> >> Geoff 5389 >> -- >> Geoff Chew >> geoffchew1@gmail.com >> _____________________________________________ >> >> RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Geoff Chew geoffchew1@gmail.com

Clive, there are 59 records for "Killick" at Find My Past. Some of them will be duplicated names. ie appearing on the RAF muster rolls and in the service records. Are your "lost" Killicks there? Alternatively did they belong to another regiment and were attached to the RFC in which case the records could still be with the original regiment. Ann McDonald Corner ONS On 12 January 2015 at 20:53, Clive Killick via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi Jim > > I have recorded three 'Killick' RFC medal recipients on the Army Medal > Rolls. The RFC was part of the Army until 1918. However, from the RAF > service records I know that many more than 3 Killicks transferred to the RAF > when it was formed, so assume that these three records 'got lost' on the > handover of documents to RAF Records! > > > Best regards > > Clive > > Clive Killick > Hon. Sec. > Killick Society > Guild of One-Name Studies Member #2398 > Rootsweb Killick_List administrator > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: goons-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:goons-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Jim Isard via > Sent: 11 January 2015 13:56 > To: GOONS > Subject: [G] Royal Flying Corps Medal Roll > > > Can someone tell me how to find what medals an RFC airman was awarded in WW1 > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I wonder how many others have been unaware that the British Library has a searchable archive of world newspapers accessible online? There are numerous African, Asian, American newspapers there which I imagine are otherwise unavailable. Access is restricted to those with a current British Library reader's ticket with its associated userid and password, however - but if you have those, the archive can be reached at https://eresources.remote.bl.uk:2443/login Geoff 5389 -- Geoff Chew geoffchew1@gmail.com

Hello Neil, What a shocking report! I'm thankful our reporting today doesn't get so descriptive for this type of thing. " ...dismembered and smashed, their blood and brains being scattered over the engine". It must have been horrific for the mother to read that. With a bit of luck she was illiterate. Nonetheless, it leaves you in no doubt as to why there was a triple fatality in your family. I've found a few very descriptive accidents in the paper but nothing as vivid as this! Thanks for sharing. Cheerio Edwina Shooter The DATE Tree with GOONS 5674 -----Original Message----- From: goons-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:goons-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Neil Hartwell via Sent: Monday, 12 January 2015 5:48 PM To: june.willing@one-name.org >> June Willing; goons@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G] Any idea what killed four siblings? Hi Guys I've got three siblings who died together in a train accident in 1867 Not quite the same as 4 , but it made me stop and think Run over on a level crossing in Colney Hatch it seems - offspring of John Roddis - 1842-1866 Here's what the paper said Sept 27 1867 Newspapers. On Saturday 21st September at the Colney Hatch Railway Station three children belonging to one family were cut to pieces. They were upon one side of the line and as a train had passed they ran across the railway, just as the 11.55 am express up Midland was passing through. The result was that the children were dismembered and smashed, their blood and brains being scattered over the engine. Their remains were collected and conveyed away to await an inquest. No blame is attached to the company, as although it is a level crossing a bridge has been erected for the safety and convenience of the public. The mother of the deceased , the widow of a gentleman` coachman resided at No 4 Ada Cottages, where her husband died fourteen months ago, leaving her with six children, three out of that number being killed as described. The shock to the poor woman was so excessive that it is feared she will not survive. Dr Trevor is attending her and that gentleman gives but little hope of her recovery. The inquest was held at the Railway Tavern, Colney Hatch on Tuesday when after a long investigation the Coroner (Dr Hardwicke) gave the resolution that The Jury empanelled at the Railway Hotel, to inquire into the deaths of Fanny Eliza Roddis, Mary Ann Roddis and Henry Albert Roddis have returned a verdict of accidental death, are of an opinion that all public crossings and roads on railway lines should have proper superintendence and protection for the prevention of such accidents in the future. It seems that she did survive , and went on to remarry later regards Neil -- Neil Hartwell The Garden House 74 Lostwithiel St Fowey PL23 1BQ 01726 832785 _____________________________________________

Apparently a live visit is required to complete registration. On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 3:51 PM, Geoff Chew via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I wonder how many others have been unaware that the British Library > has a searchable archive of world newspapers accessible online? There > are numerous African, Asian, American newspapers there which I imagine > are otherwise unavailable. Access is restricted to those with a > current British Library reader's ticket with its associated userid and > password, however - but if you have those, the archive can be reached > at > https://eresources.remote.bl.uk:2443/login > > > Geoff 5389 > -- > Geoff Chew > geoffchew1@gmail.com > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you to everyone that helped with this I have now found what I wanted Jim Isard 1803

Hi all Another MC reminder call - this time for my own Amersham RD MC for the years 1837-1951 with a cut-off date of 31st January 2015. I have acknowledged all requests I have received so if you have submitted a request but not had an acknowledgement, please let me know. Although this MC is primarily for registered names (and variants), I am prepared to accept requests for small numbers of non-registered names. Brian Horridge