I have certainly had grants and wills in the old days which didn't belong to the same person - in one case they didn't even have the same name! I've only ordered three via the website, and they all came correct and within three days of my order. But I probably got them in before the rush! Polly ----- Original Message ----- From: "broomfield-ons via" <goons@rootsweb.com> To: <goons@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 8:03 AM Subject: Re: [G] Wills I think I have read all of the messages on this subject and cannot recall anyone else reporting revieving an order were the Grant was for the will ordered but the will was for someone else (same name - William Jones!). Is this a failure in the processing of online orders or has anyone who ordered a well the old way had a similar experience? Reported via feedback as there did not appear to be contact details for "support" as indicated in the text of page 2 of an order that was only a Grant. Waiting for a reply! Chris Broomfield Broomfield, Bromfield & Brumfield One Name Study

I think I have read all of the messages on this subject and cannot recall anyone else reporting revieving an order were the Grant was for the will ordered but the will was for someone else (same name - William Jones!). Is this a failure in the processing of online orders or has anyone who ordered a well the old way had a similar experience? Reported via feedback as there did not appear to be contact details for "support" as indicated in the text of page 2 of an order that was only a Grant. Waiting for a reply! Chris Broomfield Broomfield, Bromfield & Brumfield One Name Study

The N.A. & Europe hangout on the air can be found at: http://youtu.be/oz3DKCKSmu0?list=PLrsfRZta1CxOJLbnnrV2g6-gF6344QaSM The topics were: "Famous Names in my ONS", the upcoming AGM, and "My ONS New Year's Resolutions". Jim Benedict Guild Representative for Western Canada Guild of One-Name Studies: Guild member #4794 Calgary, Alberta www.BenedictGenerations.com ========================================================

Adrian, £2-9-11 does sound pitiful, but is equivalent to about £190.00 today. Still not much for a life though. Don On 17/01/2015 13:50, Adrian Abbott via wrote: > Apologies if anyone has mentioned this before, but I just came across > this on Ancestry - it was added some time last year. It gives the > moneys paid to deceased soldier's "to whom authorised" so gives some > additional details of dependents, presumably decided by whether the > soldier had left a will. The amounts are pitiful. My great-uncle > Joseph's (a sergeant) widow got £2-9-11 soon after his death - maybe > arrears of pay - and a War Gratuity of £14 two years later. > > Adrian > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Apologies if anyone has mentioned this before, but I just came across this on Ancestry - it was added some time last year. It gives the moneys paid to deceased soldier's "to whom authorised" so gives some additional details of dependents, presumably decided by whether the soldier had left a will. The amounts are pitiful. My great-uncle Joseph's (a sergeant) widow got £2-9-11 soon after his death - maybe arrears of pay - and a War Gratuity of £14 two years later. Adrian

Hi Viv My uncle's birth registration in Glasgow in 1920 is also in the indexes twice, once in the RD where he was born, and once where his parents lived, not far away. I looked at both entries, of course, and they are virtually identical, both registered in Glasgow on the same date. The only difference is that the entry for the RD where the family lived, has a margin note saying 'District of birth X'. I infer that my grandfather registered the birth in one RD and details were sent to the other, but I can only guess that the birth was originally registered in the district of birth. I have found other examples of this in the 19th century, but no more recent examples, so I wonder if the rules have changed at some point, but I don't really have enough birth entries to be sure. June Willing Guild of One-Name Studies member no 2117 Willing/Willings One-Name Study http://one-name.org/name_profile/Willing/ Willing/Willings DNA Project http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Willing/ Dominicus One-Name Study http://one-name.org/name_profile/dominicus-2/ On 17 Jan 2015, at 00:29, Vivienne Dunstan via wrote: > Hi Alan, > >> If I recall correctly there was something (fairly recently?) on the >> forum about someone having a baby in Registration District A then >> returning with new baby back to their home in RD B and registering >> the birth there and that RD B should send the details to RD A and >> that is where the birth should show? It shouldn't but I guess due >> to human error it could then show in both RDs? > > My case is in Scotland, but my 1970s birth appears in the > computerised indexes at the General Register Office for Scotland > under both Edinburgh (where I was born) and Hawick (where my parents > lived). I think the birth was formally recognised/recorded under > Edinburgh, but was registered at Hawick. My Scottish NHS number, > which uses a combination of numeric registration district number, > year of birth, and certificate number, is derived from Hawick > registration district, not an Edinburgh one. I should probably ask > my Dad again what was going on registration-wise sometime ... > > Viv > GOONS member 2847 (Cavers) > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

There are comments that the Saturday hangout announcement did not get out to everybody. I'm not sure what may have happened, but here it is again. See below for details. The Australasia event has happened already. The North America - Europe should be starting in a half hour. Check your Google+ account at the appointed time to join in. I will also publish the video link if you want to just watch. Jim Benedict Guild Representative for Western Canada Guild of One-Name Studies: Guild member #4794 Calgary, Alberta www.BenedictGenerations.com ======================================================== -----Original Message----- From: Jim Benedict [mailto:jim.benedict@shaw.ca] Sent: January 13, 2015 11:36 PM To: 'goons@rootsweb.com' Subject: Guild hangouts for Saturday, January 17 The next pair of Guild hangouts on the air take place this Saturday, January 17th. One is for Europe & Australasia, and a separate and later one for members in North America and Europe. Check your Google events page for your local times. Both hangouts will have a loose agenda this time, I believe. The N.A. hangout is suggesting some starter topics. "Legends in the Family Surname". Bring our your rich, your famous, your infamous, your not-so-rich deadbeats. Then, upcoming Guild events, including the March conference & AGM. Then for the brave amongst you, let's hear your list of ONS New Year's Resolutions. See you there, Jim Benedict Guild Representative for Western Canada Guild of One-Name Studies: Guild member #4794 Calgary, Alberta www.BenedictGenerations.com ========================================================

Hi Alan, > If I recall correctly there was something (fairly recently?) on the forum about someone having a baby in Registration District A then returning with new baby back to their home in RD B and registering the birth there and that RD B should send the details to RD A and that is where the birth should show? It shouldn't but I guess due to human error it could then show in both RDs? My case is in Scotland, but my 1970s birth appears in the computerised indexes at the General Register Office for Scotland under both Edinburgh (where I was born) and Hawick (where my parents lived). I think the birth was formally recognised/recorded under Edinburgh, but was registered at Hawick. My Scottish NHS number, which uses a combination of numeric registration district number, year of birth, and certificate number, is derived from Hawick registration district, not an Edinburgh one. I should probably ask my Dad again what was going on registration-wise sometime ... Viv GOONS member 2847 (Cavers)

Well, you know he suffocated to death, if the information is correct! Just kidding. Look for other sources to back up the death cert. The funeral director probably just put the wrong date for the burial. It was probably Aug 12, 1920. You need corroboration for the dates! Joyce On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 1:49 PM, RENNISON john.vayro@sky.com via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi to all > > I wondered if colleagues had found the Ancestry Insider useful. It is the unofficial, unauthorized view of Ancestry.com and FamilySearch.org. Not so much a blog but the Ancestry Insider reports on, defends, and constructively criticizes these two websites by using familiar topics.The site can be found at http://www.ancestryinsider.org/ At present they are showing a death certificate for William Henry Malloch with conflicting evidence for the burial as July 12 th 1920 but certified dead and as "seen on" August 10 th 1920. > > The moral is never to completely trust the evidence. Familiar to anyone ??? > > Rennison > > > > > Rennison's List on http://www.upperdalesfhg.org.uk/rennisons.htm > The Vayro Ancestry on http://www.vayro.name > Vayro Database on http://vayro.tribalpages.com > Vayro Guild of One-Name Studies Profile > http://one-name.org/name_profile/vayro/ > http://www.rennisonprimarydesigntechnology.info > Searching for VAYRO, VARO, VARAH and variations worldwide > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Researching Drinkwater surname all over the world, any time, any place, but especially Descendants and Ancestors of Paul Drinkwater, born 1789 in Sandhurst, Gloucestershire, England. GOONS #5057 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/drinkwater.html

Hi to all I wondered if colleagues had found the Ancestry Insider useful. It is the unofficial, unauthorized view of Ancestry.com and FamilySearch.org. Not so much a blog but the Ancestry Insider reports on, defends, and constructively criticizes these two websites by using familiar topics.The site can be found at http://www.ancestryinsider.org/ At present they are showing a death certificate for William Henry Malloch with conflicting evidence for the burial as July 12 th 1920 but certified dead and as "seen on" August 10 th 1920. The moral is never to completely trust the evidence. Familiar to anyone ??? Rennison Rennison's List on http://www.upperdalesfhg.org.uk/rennisons.htm The Vayro Ancestry on http://www.vayro.name Vayro Database on http://vayro.tribalpages.com Vayro Guild of One-Name Studies Profile http://one-name.org/name_profile/vayro/ http://www.rennisonprimarydesigntechnology.info Searching for VAYRO, VARO, VARAH and variations worldwide

Thanks to everyone who has offered an opinion over the last 24 hours. You are brilliant. Earlier, I took up Polly's offer of some help and before we've had some time to really interact about the problem, just a few moments ago I spotted one detail from the two death records that I'd not previously noticed: the page numbers are the same, even though the volume numbers are different - yet another co-incidence to add to unusual name, date of birth and quarter of death. I've also been in touch with the family of the man who died in Canterbury, thanks to an online tree at Ancestry.com. So we definitely know that that record is correct. This is leading me to believe that somehow an error has occurred in the index record, or the online versions of it. So that's probably as far as we can get for now. I'll let everyone know the results of our deliberations. Paul On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 9:02 AM, June Willing via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi All > > I have just checked and FMP does imply a quarter. It appears that the > "Register Number" field is used for the DOR (Date of Registration) > column. So a DOR of 0184 gives a quarter of 1, 0684 gives 2, etc. > > Ancestry simply converts 0184 to Jan 1984 and does not give a quarter. > > So, did these two people have the same DOR? If not, this could > indicate two different registrations on different dates. What this > might mean is a different matter. > > June Willing > Guild of One-Name Studies member no 2117 > Willing/Willings One-Name Study > http://one-name.org/name_profile/Willing/ > Willing/Willings DNA Project > http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Willing/ > Dominicus One-Name Study > http://one-name.org/name_profile/dominicus-2/ > > On 16 Jan 2015, at 08:22, John Hanson via wrote: > >> Entries from 1984 onwards come from a centralised database that is >> provided >> to all the online companies by the IPS and there are no images to go >> with >> it. The database is not indexed by quarter and if one of the >> companies is >> showing a quarter then it is implying it from the month of >> registration >> >> Regards >> John Hanson >> Researcher, The Halsted Trust >> Website - www.halstedresearch.org.uk >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: goons-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:goons-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On >> Behalf Of Janet Few via >> Sent: 16 January 2015 06:56 >> To: Paul Howes; goons@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [G] Two death registrations? >> >> You have to register the death where the person died and not where >> they >> lived. Maybe this person died away from home and the person >> registering the >> death registered it where they lived, then realised that this was >> incorrect. >> >> As one of the questions is 'where did they die?' you'd think the >> 'wrong' >> registrar would have halted the process at this point though. >> Alternatively >> (depending on where you are accessing the information from) perhaps >> there >> has been an indexing error - whether on Ancestry/Freebmd etc - or, >> if you >> have seen the images of the registers, the error could have been in >> compiling the central indexes somehow. Almost worth £18.50 to get >> the death >> certificates to see if that helps. >> >> Janet #1136 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Paul Howes via >> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 2:51 AM >> To: goons@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [G] Two death registrations? >> >> Folks, in England and Wales, is there any way a one single death >> might have >> been registered twice in two different districts? >> >> Reason I ask is that we've just discovered two people with the same >> relatively unusual name who both died in the same quarter in 1984, >> one in >> Kent and one in Lancashire. Amazingly (we think!) both death >> records show >> exactly the same date of birth! >> >> Could it be one person? I've never had to register a death in >> England. So >> I don't know the procedure, but it would seem like there has to be >> some kind >> of control over the registration of deaths, eg, an original >> certificate from >> a qualified physician. Ergo, it seems like we've stumbled into a >> massive >> co-incidence. >> >> Just want to eliminate the unlikely . . . >> TIA for any help >> Paul >> >> >> >> -- >> Paul Howes >> www.howesfamilies.com >> Researching House, Howes, Hows, Howse & Howze worldwide >> _____________________________________________ >> >> RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc >> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in >> the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc >> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in >> the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Paul Howes www.howesfamilies.com Researching House, Howes, Hows, Howse & Howze worldwide

Hi All I have just checked and FMP does imply a quarter. It appears that the "Register Number" field is used for the DOR (Date of Registration) column. So a DOR of 0184 gives a quarter of 1, 0684 gives 2, etc. Ancestry simply converts 0184 to Jan 1984 and does not give a quarter. So, did these two people have the same DOR? If not, this could indicate two different registrations on different dates. What this might mean is a different matter. June Willing Guild of One-Name Studies member no 2117 Willing/Willings One-Name Study http://one-name.org/name_profile/Willing/ Willing/Willings DNA Project http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Willing/ Dominicus One-Name Study http://one-name.org/name_profile/dominicus-2/ On 16 Jan 2015, at 08:22, John Hanson via wrote: > Entries from 1984 onwards come from a centralised database that is > provided > to all the online companies by the IPS and there are no images to go > with > it. The database is not indexed by quarter and if one of the > companies is > showing a quarter then it is implying it from the month of > registration > > Regards > John Hanson > Researcher, The Halsted Trust > Website - www.halstedresearch.org.uk > > -----Original Message----- > From: goons-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:goons-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On > Behalf Of Janet Few via > Sent: 16 January 2015 06:56 > To: Paul Howes; goons@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [G] Two death registrations? > > You have to register the death where the person died and not where > they > lived. Maybe this person died away from home and the person > registering the > death registered it where they lived, then realised that this was > incorrect. > > As one of the questions is 'where did they die?' you'd think the > 'wrong' > registrar would have halted the process at this point though. > Alternatively > (depending on where you are accessing the information from) perhaps > there > has been an indexing error - whether on Ancestry/Freebmd etc - or, > if you > have seen the images of the registers, the error could have been in > compiling the central indexes somehow. Almost worth £18.50 to get > the death > certificates to see if that helps. > > Janet #1136 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Howes via > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 2:51 AM > To: goons@rootsweb.com > Subject: [G] Two death registrations? > > Folks, in England and Wales, is there any way a one single death > might have > been registered twice in two different districts? > > Reason I ask is that we've just discovered two people with the same > relatively unusual name who both died in the same quarter in 1984, > one in > Kent and one in Lancashire. Amazingly (we think!) both death > records show > exactly the same date of birth! > > Could it be one person? I've never had to register a death in > England. So > I don't know the procedure, but it would seem like there has to be > some kind > of control over the registration of deaths, eg, an original > certificate from > a qualified physician. Ergo, it seems like we've stumbled into a > massive > co-incidence. > > Just want to eliminate the unlikely . . . > TIA for any help > Paul > > > > -- > Paul Howes > www.howesfamilies.com > Researching House, Howes, Hows, Howse & Howze worldwide > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

If I recall correctly there was something (fairly recently?) on the forum about someone having a baby in Registration District A then returning with new baby back to their home in RD B and registering the birth there and that RD B should send the details to RD A and that is where the birth should show? It shouldn't but I guess due to human error it could then show in both RDs? Alan Moorhouse Stroud farmery@one-name.org ----Original message---- >From : goons@rootsweb.com Date : 16/01/2015 - 06:55 (GMTST) To : paul@howesfamilies.com, goons@rootsweb.com Subject : Re: [G] Two death registrations? You have to register the death where the person died and not where they lived. Maybe this person died away from home and the person registering the death registered it where they lived, then realised that this was incorrect. As one of the questions is 'where did they die?' you'd think the 'wrong' registrar would have halted the process at this point though. Alternatively (depending on where you are accessing the information from) perhaps there has been an indexing error - whether on Ancestry/Freebmd etc - or, if you have seen the images of the registers, the error could have been in compiling the central indexes somehow. Almost worth £18.50 to get the death certificates to see if that helps. Janet #1136 -----Original Message----- From: Paul Howes via Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 2:51 AM To: goons@rootsweb.com Subject: [G] Two death registrations? Folks, in England and Wales, is there any way a one single death might have been registered twice in two different districts? Reason I ask is that we've just discovered two people with the same relatively unusual name who both died in the same quarter in 1984, one in Kent and one in Lancashire. Amazingly (we think!) both death records show exactly the same date of birth! Could it be one person? I've never had to register a death in England. So I don't know the procedure, but it would seem like there has to be some kind of control over the registration of deaths, eg, an original certificate from a qualified physician. Ergo, it seems like we've stumbled into a massive co-incidence. Just want to eliminate the unlikely . . . TIA for any help Paul -- Paul Howes www.howesfamilies.com Researching House, Howes, Hows, Howse & Howze worldwide _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Paul You could contact the register offices direct and ask. I found most are helpful. Although that might be because I was looking for a family in the 1870's so not sure if it would work for 1984. Rose Norton Bierton 6008 -----Original Message----- From: Geoff Chew via Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 10:32 AM To: Paul Howes ; goons@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G] Two death registrations? Without contradicting anything said here about double death registrations, I would just add that it is sometimes worth looking beyond On Friday, 16 January 2015, Paul Howes via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Folks, in England and Wales, is there any way a one single death might > have been registered twice in two different districts? > > Reason I ask is that we've just discovered two people with the same > relatively unusual name who both died in the same quarter in 1984, one > in Kent and one in Lancashire. Amazingly (we think!) both death > records show exactly the same date of birth! > > Could it be one person? I've never had to register a death in > England. So I don't know the procedure, but it would seem like there > has to be some kind of control over the registration of deaths, eg, an > original certificate from a qualified physician. Ergo, it seems like > we've stumbled into a massive co-incidence. > > Just want to eliminate the unlikely . . . > TIA for any help > Paul > > > > -- > Paul Howes > www.howesfamilies.com > Researching House, Howes, Hows, Howse & Howze worldwide > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com <javascript:;> with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Geoff Chew geoffchew1@gmail.com _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

(Sorry, sent too soon...) ... it is sometimes worth looking beyond the UK records. One of my people died in Oundle of a heart attack in the 19th century; there is an English death registration, but a South African death notice also exists (since the purpose of a death notice is different: to give notice that an estate is to be wound up). As he had assets in South Africa, the death notice was issued, with all the extra information about probable heirs that such a document would normally have. Geoff 5389 On Friday, 16 January 2015, Geoff Chew <geoffchew1@gmail.com> wrote: > Without contradicting anything said here about double death registrations, > I would just add that it is sometimes worth looking beyond > > On Friday, 16 January 2015, Paul Howes via <goons@rootsweb.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','goons@rootsweb.com');>> wrote: > >> Folks, in England and Wales, is there any way a one single death might >> have been registered twice in two different districts? >> >> Reason I ask is that we've just discovered two people with the same >> relatively unusual name who both died in the same quarter in 1984, one >> in Kent and one in Lancashire. Amazingly (we think!) both death >> records show exactly the same date of birth! >> >> Could it be one person? I've never had to register a death in >> England. So I don't know the procedure, but it would seem like there >> has to be some kind of control over the registration of deaths, eg, an >> original certificate from a qualified physician. Ergo, it seems like >> we've stumbled into a massive co-incidence. >> >> Just want to eliminate the unlikely . . . >> TIA for any help >> Paul >> >> >> >> -- >> Paul Howes >> www.howesfamilies.com >> Researching House, Howes, Hows, Howse & Howze worldwide >> _____________________________________________ >> >> RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc >> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > -- > Geoff Chew > geoffchew1@gmail.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','geoffchew1@gmail.com');> > -- Geoff Chew geoffchew1@gmail.com

Hi Paul ,John Four thoughts come to mind:- 1) A military death died place A home/burial place B 2) Someone intranet ( e.g. Going on holiday from Lancashire collapses and dies in Kent 3)Is it a coincidence that John says there was a system change in 1984 .Two transcription possibilities spring to mind a)The person died over a quarter ending b)Two districts of the same name in Kent & Lancashire 4)My probate book p40/41 (by Gordon Bowley LLb) states that in some circumstances if registration has not taken place in five days an executor can register anywhere but should be forward to the registrar where death took place.(e.g. after an inquest is held ) Finally another probate point has come to my attention where a grant of probate appeared on the 1996 -2014 Probate site before the executor received official notice.The question is ,I ordered on line who would get the copy first?! Hope this is of help/interest. Regards Richard -----Original Message----- From: goons-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:goons-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Hanson via Sent: 16 January 2015 08:23 To: 'Janet Few'; goons@rootsweb.com; 'Paul Howes' Subject: Re: [G] Two death registrations? Entries from 1984 onwards come from a centralised database that is provided to all the online companies by the IPS and there are no images to go with it. The database is not indexed by quarter and if one of the companies is showing a quarter then it is implying it from the month of registration Regards John Hanson Researcher, The Halsted Trust Website - www.halstedresearch.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: goons-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:goons-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janet Few via Sent: 16 January 2015 06:56 To: Paul Howes; goons@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G] Two death registrations? You have to register the death where the person died and not where they lived. Maybe this person died away from home and the person registering the death registered it where they lived, then realised that this was incorrect. As one of the questions is 'where did they die?' you'd think the 'wrong' registrar would have halted the process at this point though. Alternatively (depending on where you are accessing the information from) perhaps there has been an indexing error - whether on Ancestry/Freebmd etc - or, if you have seen the images of the registers, the error could have been in compiling the central indexes somehow. Almost worth £18.50 to get the death certificates to see if that helps. Janet #1136 -----Original Message----- From: Paul Howes via Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 2:51 AM To: goons@rootsweb.com Subject: [G] Two death registrations? Folks, in England and Wales, is there any way a one single death might have been registered twice in two different districts? Reason I ask is that we've just discovered two people with the same relatively unusual name who both died in the same quarter in 1984, one in Kent and one in Lancashire. Amazingly (we think!) both death records show exactly the same date of birth! Could it be one person? I've never had to register a death in England. So I don't know the procedure, but it would seem like there has to be some kind of control over the registration of deaths, eg, an original certificate from a qualified physician. Ergo, it seems like we've stumbled into a massive co-incidence. Just want to eliminate the unlikely . . . TIA for any help Paul -- Paul Howes www.howesfamilies.com Researching House, Howes, Hows, Howse & Howze worldwide _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Without contradicting anything said here about double death registrations, I would just add that it is sometimes worth looking beyond On Friday, 16 January 2015, Paul Howes via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Folks, in England and Wales, is there any way a one single death might > have been registered twice in two different districts? > > Reason I ask is that we've just discovered two people with the same > relatively unusual name who both died in the same quarter in 1984, one > in Kent and one in Lancashire. Amazingly (we think!) both death > records show exactly the same date of birth! > > Could it be one person? I've never had to register a death in > England. So I don't know the procedure, but it would seem like there > has to be some kind of control over the registration of deaths, eg, an > original certificate from a qualified physician. Ergo, it seems like > we've stumbled into a massive co-incidence. > > Just want to eliminate the unlikely . . . > TIA for any help > Paul > > > > -- > Paul Howes > www.howesfamilies.com > Researching House, Howes, Hows, Howse & Howze worldwide > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com <javascript:;> with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Geoff Chew geoffchew1@gmail.com

Paul Have you looked to see if two matching births were registered? Adrian On 16 Jan 2015 03:03, "Paul Howes via" <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Folks, in England and Wales, is there any way a one single death might > have been registered twice in two different districts? > > Reason I ask is that we've just discovered two people with the same > relatively unusual name who both died in the same quarter in 1984, one > in Kent and one in Lancashire. Amazingly (we think!) both death > records show exactly the same date of birth! > > Could it be one person? I've never had to register a death in > England. So I don't know the procedure, but it would seem like there > has to be some kind of control over the registration of deaths, eg, an > original certificate from a qualified physician. Ergo, it seems like > we've stumbled into a massive co-incidence. > > Just want to eliminate the unlikely . . . > TIA for any help > Paul > > > > -- > Paul Howes > www.howesfamilies.com > Researching House, Howes, Hows, Howse & Howze worldwide > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Entries from 1984 onwards come from a centralised database that is provided to all the online companies by the IPS and there are no images to go with it. The database is not indexed by quarter and if one of the companies is showing a quarter then it is implying it from the month of registration Regards John Hanson Researcher, The Halsted Trust Website - www.halstedresearch.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: goons-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:goons-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janet Few via Sent: 16 January 2015 06:56 To: Paul Howes; goons@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G] Two death registrations? You have to register the death where the person died and not where they lived. Maybe this person died away from home and the person registering the death registered it where they lived, then realised that this was incorrect. As one of the questions is 'where did they die?' you'd think the 'wrong' registrar would have halted the process at this point though. Alternatively (depending on where you are accessing the information from) perhaps there has been an indexing error - whether on Ancestry/Freebmd etc - or, if you have seen the images of the registers, the error could have been in compiling the central indexes somehow. Almost worth £18.50 to get the death certificates to see if that helps. Janet #1136 -----Original Message----- From: Paul Howes via Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 2:51 AM To: goons@rootsweb.com Subject: [G] Two death registrations? Folks, in England and Wales, is there any way a one single death might have been registered twice in two different districts? Reason I ask is that we've just discovered two people with the same relatively unusual name who both died in the same quarter in 1984, one in Kent and one in Lancashire. Amazingly (we think!) both death records show exactly the same date of birth! Could it be one person? I've never had to register a death in England. So I don't know the procedure, but it would seem like there has to be some kind of control over the registration of deaths, eg, an original certificate from a qualified physician. Ergo, it seems like we've stumbled into a massive co-incidence. Just want to eliminate the unlikely . . . TIA for any help Paul -- Paul Howes www.howesfamilies.com Researching House, Howes, Hows, Howse & Howze worldwide _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

When the death is confirmed (by two Doctors) a form is issued, I think it is called a MED11. That form is usually in a sealed envelope & is needed to take to the registrar for them to proceed to register the death. Those forms are then collated and sent to the GRO every quarter. I have two copies of these forms in my own family history files. Having registered the death the registrant is provided with a "Green form" in order to proceed to burial or cremation. (After cremation if the ashes are returned there is also a certificate issued). The Green forms are collated & eventually end up at the GRO every quarter. In this situation, with two registered deaths it either means there are 1. To completely different people 2. There was an incorrect registering & one should have been amended. The certificate will show the date the death was registered. Was an attempt made to register the death without the Med11 form? Which might explain why the death was recorded twice rather than have the first entry removed. There will only ever be one Med11 form issued & the Doctor who confirms life extinct will sign it. Regards, Julie Goucher Guild Member 3925 Orlando & Worship ONS Sent from my iPad  > On 16 Jan 2015, at 06:55, Janet Few via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > You have to register the death where the person died and not where they > lived. Maybe this person died away from home and the person registering the > death registered it where they lived, then realised that this was incorrect. > As one of the questions is 'where did they die?' you'd think the 'wrong' > registrar would have halted the process at this point though. Alternatively > (depending on where you are accessing the information from) perhaps there > has been an indexing error - whether on Ancestry/Freebmd etc - or, if you > have seen the images of the registers, the error could have been in > compiling the central indexes somehow. Almost worth £18.50 to get the death > certificates to see if that helps. > > Janet #1136 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Howes via > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 2:51 AM > To: goons@rootsweb.com > Subject: [G] Two death registrations? > > Folks, in England and Wales, is there any way a one single death might > have been registered twice in two different districts? > > Reason I ask is that we've just discovered two people with the same > relatively unusual name who both died in the same quarter in 1984, one > in Kent and one in Lancashire. Amazingly (we think!) both death > records show exactly the same date of birth! > > Could it be one person? I've never had to register a death in > England. So I don't know the procedure, but it would seem like there > has to be some kind of control over the registration of deaths, eg, an > original certificate from a qualified physician. Ergo, it seems like > we've stumbled into a massive co-incidence. > > Just want to eliminate the unlikely . . . > TIA for any help > Paul > > > > -- > Paul Howes > www.howesfamilies.com > Researching House, Howes, Hows, Howse & Howze worldwide > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message