Hi One-Namers RootsMagic 7 doesn't seem to have any problems with same sex marriages, on the surface anyway

On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 10:08 PM, Gordon Adshead via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Bertha has just posted a message:- > "Yesterday I got married to Caroline SMITH" > Several of her friends and Arthur all sent messages of congratulation > so I assume that it is a genuine civil "marriage". > > But it has left me wondering exactly how I should record this in my > Marriage Index. > > Best regards Gordon +Z I've been wondering that too Gordon - its not such an issue in a straight spreadsheet record, but Legacy definitely doesn't allow same sex couples to be married. I haven't even found a way of recording the "living together but not married" ones adequately yet in Legacy - particularly where they are using different surnames. (And I also find facebook a great way to sort out contemporary relationships and children) Corinne Curtis #5579

I am not a great fan of Facebook, and I am aware that there are many different ways in which it is used. But I have found it a fairly fruitful way of finding out what some of the modern ADSHEADs are up to. But I have just been given my first database challenge [I have to use ficticious names, or our forum manager would remove this post from the archives] I have made facebook "friends" with some 60 or 70 ADSHEADs including one Arthur in Australia He had a sister Bertha who also asked to be a friend Bertha has just posted a message:- "Yesterday I got married to Caroline SMITH" Several of her friends and Arthur all sent messages of congratulation so I assume that it is a genuine civil "marriage". But it has left me wondering exactly how I should record this in my Marriage Index. Best regards Gordon +Z [+Z] <http://www.adshead.com/> Gordon Adshead <gordon@adshead.com> [+Z] Beaumont House, 2 Goodrington Road, Handforth, Cheshire, SK9 3AT, UK [+Z] Tel:+44-1625-549770 Mob:+44-7776-145602

I should mention that my earlier query on the effect of yDNA on one-name studies was as a result of a query made to me following my lecture on Saturday to the Ontario Genealogical Society Ottawa Branch. Elizabeth (Blake) Kipp BA PLCGS Website: http://www.kipp-blake-families.ca/elizabethmain.htm Blog: http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/ Guild of One Name Studies #4600 (Blake, Pincombe) The Surname Society #1004 (Bedard, Dumoulin, Gregoire, Prevost, Blake, Pincombe, Knight, Rawlings, Cheatle, Butt, Buller, Taylor, Gray, Farmer, Lywood, Rew, Routledge, Welch, Coleman, Lambden, Arnold, Peck, Rowcliffe, Siderfin, Cobb, Beard)

I wonder if there has ever been anything written about the changes to the family tree reconstructions as a result of yDNA results. Is there any idea as to how many projects were affected? Certainly Blake was thought to be somewhat less varied than it actually is. I am finding that Pincombe/Pinkham which were always thought to be one family have several different results. Elizabeth (Blake) Kipp BA PLCGS Website: http://www.kipp-blake-families.ca/elizabethmain.htm Blog: http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/ Guild of One Name Studies #4600 (Blake, Pincombe) The Surname Society #1004 (Bedard, Dumoulin, Gregoire, Prevost, Blake, Pincombe, Knight, Rawlings, Cheatle, Butt, Buller, Taylor, Gray, Farmer, Lywood, Rew, Routledge, Welch, Coleman, Lambden, Arnold, Peck, Rowcliffe, Siderfin, Cobb, Beard)

The same way the World wide index does 'Study surname' and 'Spouse Surname' - actually that is why we went that route with the Index - asking people to categorize as 'bride and groom' can be awkward. We are trying to document the happenings and trends of our surnames - not to judge them. So one of your Adsheads married someone of a different surname - that's what you record. BTW - I'd love to have those marriages for the index Marie (GOONS 5318) Bringing the world together one surname at a time. 'A Pepler Name' http://pepler.tribalpages.com 'Hedgerow - the Ancestors' http://cranberry.tribalpages.com Pepler DNA Study http://www.familytreedna.com/public/pepler-ow/ 'Scroops, Scropes and Scroopes' http://dentonlk.tribalpages.com ________________________________ From: Gordon Adshead via <goons@rootsweb.com> To: GOONS <goons@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 5:08 PM Subject: [G] Modern "Marriages" and Facebook I am not a great fan of Facebook, and I am aware that there are many different ways in which it is used. But I have found it a fairly fruitful way of finding out what some of the modern ADSHEADs are up to. But I have just been given my first database challenge [I have to use ficticious names, or our forum manager would remove this post from the archives] I have made facebook "friends" with some 60 or 70 ADSHEADs including one Arthur in Australia He had a sister Bertha who also asked to be a friend Bertha has just posted a message:- "Yesterday I got married to Caroline SMITH" Several of her friends and Arthur all sent messages of congratulation so I assume that it is a genuine civil "marriage". But it has left me wondering exactly how I should record this in my Marriage Index. Best regards Gordon +Z [+Z] <http://www.adshead.com/> Gordon Adshead <gordon@adshead.com> [+Z] Beaumont House, 2 Goodrington Road, Handforth, Cheshire, SK9 3AT, UK [+Z] Tel:+44-1625-549770 Mob:+44-7776-145602 _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Seems as though they do not tell you what periods are covered or/if any years are missing Paul 2627 On 24/01/2015 20:41, Jeanne Bunting via wrote: > FindMyPast does show sources. To find the information about the collection, pull down the ‘Search Records’ menu and select the bottom item – ‘A-Z of record sets’ and use the search facility there to find the collection you are looking for. For example, searching for ‘Cambridge’ brings up every record set that contains the word ‘Cambridge’. Having found the record set you want, click on the title and you will find not only a description of the set, but also if and where you can get more information or copies. original copies. > > For example, for Cambridge Baptisms it says, > "The Cambridgeshire baptism records cover about 80 parishes and other registrar places in the English county. It also includes Cambridgeshire and Huntingdonshire births registered at the British Lying-In Hospital in London. > > The Cambridgeshire baptisms records are part of our ongoing parish records collection project. This unique collection brings together the records of baptisms, marriages, burials and related records registered across England and Wales and has been made available on findmypast in association with the Federation of Family History Societies member societies, the Society of Genealogists as well as other individual organisations and contributors. > > The Cambridgeshire parish records were transcribed by the Cambridgeshire Family History Society. The records are transcript only which means they do not show an image of the original parish record but do contain every detail found there. > > Cambridgeshire is a county in the east of England, bordering Lincolnshire to the north, Norfolk to the northeast, Suffolk to the east, Essex and Hertfordshire to the south and Bedfordshire and Northamptonshire to the west. The county town is Cambridge. > > Transcripts © Cambridgeshire Family History Society" > > Admittedly not a list of parishes, but a source. > > Jeanne Bunting > 3472 Attersley > >> On 23 Jan 2015, at 22:44, Debbie Kennett via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> One of our Guild members Karen Cummings has done a nice blog post on the >> subject of both Ancestry and Findmypast not providing proper descriptions >> about the sources of their data: >> >> http://www.professionalfamilyhistory.co.uk/blog/2015/01/a-plea-show-us-your- >> sources/ >> >> It's getting a lot of retweets. >> >> Debbie >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi One-Namers everywhere I meant to add that, so far as I can see Fareham is only in Hampshire, it is Farnham in Surrey that appears in Dorset, as well as Essex, Suffolk & Yorkshire and Farnham Royal in Buckinghamshire.

Hi One-Namers Everywhere In my experience the usual mix up is between Fareham and Farnham. As to E & W Death Index 2007-2013 they also put one out for Northern Ireland and Scotland, Ancestry's partner in this affair isn't you usual genealogical researcher but Original data: GreyPower Deceased Data. compiled by Wilmington Millennium, West Yorkshire this collection is a compiled index that covers approximately 55% of the total deaths that occurred in this time period. What we need is the release of the 1921 Census

FindMyPast does show sources. To find the information about the collection, pull down the ‘Search Records’ menu and select the bottom item – ‘A-Z of record sets’ and use the search facility there to find the collection you are looking for. For example, searching for ‘Cambridge’ brings up every record set that contains the word ‘Cambridge’. Having found the record set you want, click on the title and you will find not only a description of the set, but also if and where you can get more information or copies. original copies. For example, for Cambridge Baptisms it says, "The Cambridgeshire baptism records cover about 80 parishes and other registrar places in the English county. It also includes Cambridgeshire and Huntingdonshire births registered at the British Lying-In Hospital in London. The Cambridgeshire baptisms records are part of our ongoing parish records collection project. This unique collection brings together the records of baptisms, marriages, burials and related records registered across England and Wales and has been made available on findmypast in association with the Federation of Family History Societies member societies, the Society of Genealogists as well as other individual organisations and contributors. The Cambridgeshire parish records were transcribed by the Cambridgeshire Family History Society. The records are transcript only which means they do not show an image of the original parish record but do contain every detail found there. Cambridgeshire is a county in the east of England, bordering Lincolnshire to the north, Norfolk to the northeast, Suffolk to the east, Essex and Hertfordshire to the south and Bedfordshire and Northamptonshire to the west. The county town is Cambridge. Transcripts © Cambridgeshire Family History Society" Admittedly not a list of parishes, but a source. Jeanne Bunting 3472 Attersley > On 23 Jan 2015, at 22:44, Debbie Kennett via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > One of our Guild members Karen Cummings has done a nice blog post on the > subject of both Ancestry and Findmypast not providing proper descriptions > about the sources of their data: > > http://www.professionalfamilyhistory.co.uk/blog/2015/01/a-plea-show-us-your- > sources/ > > It's getting a lot of retweets. > > Debbie > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Debbie, What a good argument from Professional Family History Blog-site. I just hope that something will be done about it. Thanks for passing it on Rennison Rennison's List on http://www.upperdalesfhg.org.uk/rennisons.htm The Vayro Ancestry on http://www.vayro.name Vayro Database on http://vayro.tribalpages.com Vayro Guild of One-Name Studies Profile http://one-name.org/name_profile/vayro/ http://www.rennisonprimarydesigntechnology.info Searching for VAYRO, VARO, VARAH and variations worldwide On Friday, 23 January 2015, 22:45, Debbie Kennett via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > >One of our Guild members Karen Cummings has done a nice blog post on the >subject of both Ancestry and Findmypast not providing proper descriptions >about the sources of their data: > >http://www.professionalfamilyhistory.co.uk/blog/2015/01/a-plea-show-us-your- >sources/ > >It's getting a lot of retweets. > >Debbie > > >_____________________________________________ > >RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Adrian, There is a Farnham in Dorset too but obviously they got the wrong Farnham. Best Wishes Mike Spathaky Cree One-Name Study www.cree.name At 10:47 24/01/2015, Adrian Abbott via wrote: >After several attempts I have finally found someone in this index I >know to have died 2007-2013. Right name, right death and birth dates, >age calculated wrongly.Apparently died in Farnham, Dorset, but Farnham >is in Surrey. Pathetic. > >Adrian

A reminder to those in the Berkshire area that the Bracknell Family History Fair is to be held tomorrow, Sunday 25 January. There will be - as well as the Guild stand - stands from various other family history societies, plus vendors of software, maps, postcards, etc. For the flyer see http://www.familyhistoryfairs.org/ - or, with an Oxfordshire flavour, http://news.ofhs.org.uk/2015/01/20/bracknell-family-history-fair-25-january-at-bracknell-leisure-centre/ I'll be on the Oxfordshire FHS stand, and be very pleased to meet any Guild members. Wendy Guild Regional Representative, Berkshire, Oxfordshire & Buckinghamshire

Hi Don Thanks for this - this seems to make some sense of the varied information (not to mention forenames) which the database contains. The 55% might be challenged by some of our figures - here are all my ROWBERRY variants with numbers from the database, followed by those I have extracted from the same year of the GRO death indexfor the same year: 2007 5 20 2008 4 16 2009 6 17 2010 11 23 2011 7 14 2012 9 29 As you can see in only one year does it approach anything like 55% ( 2011 = 50%). Note the similar Scottish and Northern Ireland Death Index 1989-2013 published the same day by Ancestry. Polly ----- Original Message ----- From: "DonJGrant via" <goons@rootsweb.com> To: <goons@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [G] England and Wales, Death Index, 2007-2013 There is some information on the sources and coverage at http://www.irishgenealogynews.com/2015/01/source-information-for-ancestrys-n ew.html Don Grant Scoon ONS 5642

Mike - definitely no excuse because they put in the GU postcode indicating the Guildford area. Since the data come from a British company, Ancestry's usual excuse of inexperience of a country's foibles won't wash in this case. Adrian On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 12:04 AM, Mike Spathaky <mike.spathaky@cree.name> wrote: > Adrian, > > There is a Farnham in Dorset too but obviously they got the wrong Farnham. > > Best Wishes > > Mike Spathaky > Cree One-Name Study > www.cree.name > > At 10:47 24/01/2015, Adrian Abbott via wrote: >> >> After several attempts I have finally found someone in this index I >> know to have died 2007-2013. Right name, right death and birth dates, >> age calculated wrongly.Apparently died in Farnham, Dorset, but Farnham >> is in Surrey. Pathetic. >> >> Adrian > >

There is some information on the sources and coverage at http://www.irishgenealogynews.com/2015/01/source-information-for-ancestrys-n ew.html Don Grant Scoon ONS 5642

After several attempts I have finally found someone in this index I know to have died 2007-2013. Right name, right death and birth dates, age calculated wrongly.Apparently died in Farnham, Dorset, but Farnham is in Surrey. Pathetic. Adrian

One of our Guild members Karen Cummings has done a nice blog post on the subject of both Ancestry and Findmypast not providing proper descriptions about the sources of their data: http://www.professionalfamilyhistory.co.uk/blog/2015/01/a-plea-show-us-your- sources/ It's getting a lot of retweets. Debbie

I agree, Corinne. Although I am not always so bothered about not having the original image if there is at least a comprehensive description of the source of the data put in to the database, completeness of the coverage and potential omissions. That is, an index might be all I have for some early modern records, at least that tells me something and I can assess the data. Ancestry seems to be especially bad at bunging data from disparate sources into one searchable entity, which, indeed, harks back to the old IGI. Penelope Burton GOONS 4896 On 23 January 2015 at 18:12, Corinne Curtis via <goons@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Aside from the issue of completeness of this index, I'm actually > wondering how useful it really is if it doesn't give an original > image, doesn't indicate a source and is cobbled together from "various > sources"(meaning that it may not always be death dates that are shown, > but could also be burial dates). > > I know I'll be using it to give me an idea of the approximate date and > place of death, but as far as well-sourced information goes, it really > misses the mark completely. Its kind of annoying, as I'm discovering > more and more of this type of genealogy index where the information > can't easily be checked - which to my mind makes it no better than > some of the old IGI. I'm now thinking I concentrate my efforts on > only reviewing records where there is an original image to view as > well, and where I actually check the original image as a matter of > course before I record anything from a transcription. > > Is it just another example of quantity of genealogical records over quality? > > Corinne Curtis '#5579 > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Most of the GODSONs listed appear in the probate records or obituaries but where did they find my mother's date of birth? Surely it wasn't from my Godson Family History Newsletter? The section of postcode was that of her care home and not the hospital where she died. Her age was wrong having been a simple subtraction from the years given. For most deaths the precise date of birth was not provided - just the age, in which case there was a good chance the birth year was out by one. Celia (Dodd) godson@one-name.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "S TANNER via" <goons@rootsweb.com> To: <goons@rootsweb.com>; <thomas@morcoms.co.uk>; <goons@rootsweb.com>; "Denys Thomas" <dwthomasuk@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [G] England and Wales, Death Index, 2007-2013 > Hi Denys > > For HEMPSALL , the ANCESTRY England & Wales INDEX 2007-13 is about 50% > deficient . > > It shows 17 deaths, whereas from my last check in Bridgend Library the > total was 38. > > I wonder if they're just going by OBITS? I can't see that they'd have > someone laboriously going through the fiches! > > Steve TANNER #4001 HEM(P)S(H)*L ONS > > > ----Original message---- >>From : goons@rootsweb.com > Date : 23/01/2015 - 11:45 (UTC) > To : goons@rootsweb.com > Subject : [G] England and Wales, Death Index, 2007-2013 > > This new Ancestry database is compiled from "various sources" not the GRO > Index > > I searched the 2007-2013 death records for MORCOM* and found 28 > results for this seven year period. I then searched, instead, the > seven year period from 2000 to 2006 and rlisted a total of 54 MORCOMs. > This suggests that the new database has only recorded about half the > MORCOM* deaths between 2007 and 2013. Alternatively, could there have > been a plague in the last few years which singled out > disproportionately those with MORCOM* genes!? > > Denys THOMAS > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message