Thanks - using postems on FreeBMD is a great way to advertize one's ONS too. We have over 16,000 Howes marriages marked already! P On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Anne Brady <[email protected]> wrote: > Of course, if you do find which Dorothy is yours, you could add a postem > to her on Freebmd giving the middle name and the father, to help someone > else … > > > > Anne > > 5083/Blocksidge > > NZ > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On > Behalf Of *Paul Howes > *Sent:* Tuesday, 22 March 2016 6:41 AM > *To:* Anne Brady > *Subject:* Re: [G] [G} Militrary help, please > > > > Thanks much, Anne. Will do. > > Kind regards > > Paul > > > > On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Anne Brady via <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Paul, > > About the daughter - possibly registered under the mothers name, I would > think, since you don't mention a marriage. There are rather a lot of > 'Dorothy M' births in the 2nd & 3rd Q's, the GRO have a LOT to answer for, > reducing the middle names to first letters only! > > Hopefully you will let us know if you have any joy with the will. > > Anne > 5083/Blocksidge > NZ > > >Then in the right hand column, it says "Dorothy May (Daughter) born > 1.6.18" and "Child as above". I can't find a birth of a Dorothy May Howes > in 1918. > > >Paul Howes > > > > -- Paul Howes Chairman, Guild of One-Name Studies www.one-name.org www.howesfamilies.com Researching House, Howes, Hows, Howse & Howze worldwide

Well done. I am still ploughing through mine. I had done stats on the transcriptions due to financial constraints but are now going through the originals Luckily also a small study: I have 122 on a "strict" Pullum search and have excluded 10 (2 doubles, 6 women not Pullum until later - marriages confirmed, 2 mistranscriptions) leaving 112 Looking at "known" Pullums alive and in the country at the time (including excluding a family of 5 who seemed to have changed their name)I have a total of 285 (but this included closed records) I have found (including the above 112) 139 For 41 of the closed records, I am sure I have identified them (e.g with parents & siblings) For 9 of the closed records I am less sure that I can place them. These relate to 3 families and in all cases, the parents have been found but the number of closed records with them does not correlate with the number of living children they had at the time. This leave 96 that I have not found. These will include service personel of course. All but 3 of the "original" 112 can be attached to the same tree (one is a mother and son, and while writing this have had an idea how this may clear up a previous query :) and the 3rd is widowed woman but I cannot find the marriage) Apart from these 3, all were descended from 3 brothers (so one individual!)and were in 1939 in 66 households - this I am rechecking since being able to view the originals. I agree with your comments regarding the usefulness and restrictions. -- Nikki Brown #6552 Pullum ONS https://pullumons.wordpress.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Abbott via" <[email protected]> To: "GOONS" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, 21 March, 2016 12:43:56 PM Subject: [G] 1939 Register Experiences One of the advantages of having my small THUBRON ONS centred on England/Wales is that you can know that you have an almost complete coverage, certainly for the first part of the 20th Century. An obvious disadvantage is that your study name will probably not conform to any norm. In my case the name was almost entirely confined originally to County Durham in the 19th Century. When the 1939 Register was announced my attitude was “So what?”, thinking it would do little for me, and I only purchased two records. But having an FMP subscription, when they added 1939 to the membership entitlement I dutifully ploughed my way through it, and I thought it might be useful to others to describe the results. Everything I give here derives from UK records – up to 1939 I only know of a handful of the name who ventured overseas. In the 1911 Census I had found 261name entries. This followed a gradual growth from the 1841 version and I believe is about 95% of the total that should be there. The 1939 Register gave 168 names in 80 households. In addition there were 21 people (all women) of other names whose name is listed as changing to THUBRON at some unknown time after 1939, presumably due to marriage, and check of GRO Marriages confirmed this. There were 13 THUBRONs who later changed their name, again by marriage although one was a 5 year-old boy. (I would have expected the changes to be a more similar number.) 19 households also had a total of 39 redactions – people excluded from the site due to the 100-year age barrier on data. Most or all (in my case) are probably young members of the family, but could be anyone below the age of 23 in 1939 now thought to be still alive. But it is useful to see that the redactions are there. This therefore gave me a possible total of 168 +39 = 207 THUBRONs in the households seen. Since I couldn’t see the redactions in other households nor people in the Services etc, this seems to be a reasonable return, and it is significant that 87% were still in Durham, Northumberland or Yorkshire. So what did I learn? Firstly, some of the transcriptions are appalling; for that reason it is essential to look at the original records, and this is also necessary to see where the redactions have been made in households. Secondly the main advantage in my view is that “exact” dates of birth are given (but beware of mistranscriptions). Where you have several possible people with the same first name, this allows you to sort out who is the partner in marriages and also allows you to confirm who died in the GRO Death Registers after 1969 when they started adding full dates of birth. Thirdly, the name changes that are noted allow you to trace partners in marriages after 1939, and in particular, in a few cases of two name changes, you can see successive marriages, almost impossible to find otherwise. Fourthly the Nat. Registration Numbers given out were based on Households, not Families. So where mine was TPCS 188/4, being the younger of two children and both my parents present, if we had an unrelated visitor he would have been 188/5. One of my names was in hospital and his number ended up /27. What you don’t learn of course, which is very frustrating, is the information on the redacted people. Also, as is normal, the information is still only as good as the people supplying it . I found at least one case of what appears to be deliberate falsification, in this case leading to a 60-year-old woman producing two children, and I think it was actually a younger woman masquerading as a wife. Was it worth the considerable effort? – definitely, despite the usual problems with FMP’s weird search engine and the terrible transcriptions. I have no connection with FMP. 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One of the advantages of having my small THUBRON ONS centred on England/Wales is that you can know that you have an almost complete coverage, certainly for the first part of the 20th Century. An obvious disadvantage is that your study name will probably not conform to any norm. In my case the name was almost entirely confined originally to County Durham in the 19th Century. When the 1939 Register was announced my attitude was “So what?”, thinking it would do little for me, and I only purchased two records. But having an FMP subscription, when they added 1939 to the membership entitlement I dutifully ploughed my way through it, and I thought it might be useful to others to describe the results. Everything I give here derives from UK records – up to 1939 I only know of a handful of the name who ventured overseas. In the 1911 Census I had found 261name entries. This followed a gradual growth from the 1841 version and I believe is about 95% of the total that should be there. The 1939 Register gave 168 names in 80 households. In addition there were 21 people (all women) of other names whose name is listed as changing to THUBRON at some unknown time after 1939, presumably due to marriage, and check of GRO Marriages confirmed this. There were 13 THUBRONs who later changed their name, again by marriage although one was a 5 year-old boy. (I would have expected the changes to be a more similar number.) 19 households also had a total of 39 redactions – people excluded from the site due to the 100-year age barrier on data. Most or all (in my case) are probably young members of the family, but could be anyone below the age of 23 in 1939 now thought to be still alive. But it is useful to see that the redactions are there. This therefore gave me a possible total of 168 +39 = 207 THUBRONs in the households seen. Since I couldn’t see the redactions in other households nor people in the Services etc, this seems to be a reasonable return, and it is significant that 87% were still in Durham, Northumberland or Yorkshire. So what did I learn? Firstly, some of the transcriptions are appalling; for that reason it is essential to look at the original records, and this is also necessary to see where the redactions have been made in households. Secondly the main advantage in my view is that “exact” dates of birth are given (but beware of mistranscriptions). Where you have several possible people with the same first name, this allows you to sort out who is the partner in marriages and also allows you to confirm who died in the GRO Death Registers after 1969 when they started adding full dates of birth. Thirdly, the name changes that are noted allow you to trace partners in marriages after 1939, and in particular, in a few cases of two name changes, you can see successive marriages, almost impossible to find otherwise. Fourthly the Nat. Registration Numbers given out were based on Households, not Families. So where mine was TPCS 188/4, being the younger of two children and both my parents present, if we had an unrelated visitor he would have been 188/5. One of my names was in hospital and his number ended up /27. What you don’t learn of course, which is very frustrating, is the information on the redacted people. Also, as is normal, the information is still only as good as the people supplying it . I found at least one case of what appears to be deliberate falsification, in this case leading to a 60-year-old woman producing two children, and I think it was actually a younger woman masquerading as a wife. Was it worth the considerable effort? – definitely, despite the usual problems with FMP’s weird search engine and the terrible transcriptions. I have no connection with FMP. Adrian

Celia: i switched from MS Outlook Express to gmail several years ago and have never regretted it. Paul On 21 March 2016 at 10:38, Celia Dodd via <[email protected]> wrote: > Sorry, posting again with a 'Subject'. > > I am having to move from a Windows Vista laptop to a Windows 10 laptop several months earlier than I was planning and have successfully transferred all my data. > I am unsure what to do about emails and I'm temporarily using webmail. It makes sense to change to a cloud-based system - I don't possess an iPhone or tablet but > that could change. I have thousands of old emails that I wish to be able to access somehow and I have exported them to a folder on the new laptop. > > I am not impressed with the little I have seen of 'Mail' in Windows 10. I am wondering about using Thunderbird but would appreciate any advice. There must be > many members who have already negotiated this process and found a successful solution. > > Please reply off-list. > > Celia (Dodd) > [email protected] > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear kind souls, I should be very grateful if someone who is going to TNA in the near future could look up the log book of the ALBION on 22nd September 1808 to see if there is an explanation of why George CATH, Able Seaman, born 1781, died at sea on that day. This record has not been digitised. >From Wikipedia "In May 1803 she was under the command of Captain John Ferrier and joined Admiral Cornwallis' fleet, which was blockading the vital French naval port of Brest, but was soon detached from the fleet to deploy to the Indian Ocean where she was to remain for several years. In 1809 Albion was escort to a fleet of nine East Indiamen returning to Britain. A gale that commenced around 20 November dispersed the fleet and caused three of the Indiamen to founder without a trace." So it seems probable that the ALBION was still in the Indian Ocean in Sept 1808. Reference: ADM 51/2104 Description: Captains' logs, including: ALBION (1808 May 3-1810 Jan 22). ALBION (1813 Mar 11-1814 Jan 30). ALBION (1815 May 28-1815 Dec 31). ALBION (1817 Jan 1-1817 June 30). ALBION (1819 May 22-1820 Nov 30) Date: 1808-1820 Held by: The National Archives, Kew Legal status: Public Record Closure status: Open Document, Open Description Very many thanks. Jenny Bussey (UK) Guild of One-Name Studies member 3625 One-Name Study for CATH worldwide

With Thunderbird, it is possible to same the email as a file on your computer so not relying on the provider Nikki #6552 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Toll via" <[email protected]> To: "Corinne Curtis" <[email protected]>, "Goons mailing list" <[email protected]> Cc: "Celia Dodd" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, 21 March, 2016 11:55:18 AM Subject: Re: [G] (no subject) I took the same decision as Corrine. I'm now looking for a reliable email client, and Gmail don't guarantee to keep your mail archive safe forever... Ken On 21 March 2016 at 11:31, Corinne Curtis via <[email protected]> wrote: > I made the decision to switch to a gmail primary address about the > time I got a windows 10 laptop and my first android smartphone (big > learning curve, but forced me into the 21st century). I was fed up of > having to get a new email address every time I switched internet > providers. Gmail works really well for me. On my laptop I just access > gmail from the chrome browser. It remembers my logins and goes > straight there. I find gmail is incredibly easy to access, allows me > to easily switch between more than one gmail address or identity > (work, home, genealogy) and the format of gmail (on my laptop anyway) > allows very easy separation of the main inbox from social media > generated emails, groups and mailing lists, and promotional emails - > which all helps me manage emails a lot better. My android phone has > an app for gmail as well and the work ipad I use makes setting up > gmail super easy. The only downside I have found is trying to figure > out what is in my "address book" as there was no easy way I could find > to transfer from my previous tiscali/talktalk address book. That > could just be me though. I'm a terror at not reading instructions > until I run into problems. > > Corinne Curtis #5579 > > On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 10:29 AM, Celia Dodd via <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I am having to move from a Windows Vista laptop to a Windows 10 laptop several months earlier than I was planning and have successfully transferred all my data. >> I am unsure what to do about emails and I'm temporarily using webmail. It makes sense to change to a cloud-based system - I don't possess an iPhone or tablet but >> that could change. I have thousands of old emails that I wish to be able to access somehow and I have exported them to a folder on the new laptop. >> >> I am not impressed with the little I have seen of 'Mail' in Windows 10. I am wondering about using Thunderbird but would appreciate any advice. There must be >> many members who have already negotiated this process and found a successful solution. >> >> Please reply off-list. >> >> Celia (Dodd) >> [email protected] >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: >> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Nikki Brown #6552 Pullum ONS https://pullumons.wordpress.com

I took the same decision as Corrine. I'm now looking for a reliable email client, and Gmail don't guarantee to keep your mail archive safe forever... Ken On 21 March 2016 at 11:31, Corinne Curtis via <[email protected]> wrote: > I made the decision to switch to a gmail primary address about the > time I got a windows 10 laptop and my first android smartphone (big > learning curve, but forced me into the 21st century). I was fed up of > having to get a new email address every time I switched internet > providers. Gmail works really well for me. On my laptop I just access > gmail from the chrome browser. It remembers my logins and goes > straight there. I find gmail is incredibly easy to access, allows me > to easily switch between more than one gmail address or identity > (work, home, genealogy) and the format of gmail (on my laptop anyway) > allows very easy separation of the main inbox from social media > generated emails, groups and mailing lists, and promotional emails - > which all helps me manage emails a lot better. My android phone has > an app for gmail as well and the work ipad I use makes setting up > gmail super easy. The only downside I have found is trying to figure > out what is in my "address book" as there was no easy way I could find > to transfer from my previous tiscali/talktalk address book. That > could just be me though. I'm a terror at not reading instructions > until I run into problems. > > Corinne Curtis #5579 > > On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 10:29 AM, Celia Dodd via <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I am having to move from a Windows Vista laptop to a Windows 10 laptop several months earlier than I was planning and have successfully transferred all my data. >> I am unsure what to do about emails and I'm temporarily using webmail. It makes sense to change to a cloud-based system - I don't possess an iPhone or tablet but >> that could change. I have thousands of old emails that I wish to be able to access somehow and I have exported them to a folder on the new laptop. >> >> I am not impressed with the little I have seen of 'Mail' in Windows 10. I am wondering about using Thunderbird but would appreciate any advice. There must be >> many members who have already negotiated this process and found a successful solution. >> >> Please reply off-list. >> >> Celia (Dodd) >> [email protected] >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: >> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just in case this little bit of social history is any help to John - I actually went hop picking at Cranbrook in Kent when a student in about 1969 and 1970. We stayed in a caravan on the farm for about a fortnight until the job was done. I mostly drove a tractor to harvest the hops and get them in from the fields. It was great fun. And for a student the money was good too! This was in the dying years of traditional hop picking, but there were several families there from the East End. Some had been going to the same farm for many many years. They mostly worked in the "picking shed", sorting the hops as they were stripped off the vines and preparing them to go in the oast house. I remember being enthralled by their tales of life (and hardship) in the East End. Gordon Lickfold #313 ----Original message---- >From : [email protected] Date : 21/03/2016 - 11:08 (GMTST) To : [email protected] Subject : Re: [G] 1939 Register Might be worth continuing the background research on hop pickers - I believe a lot of families from greater London did decamp to Kent for the hop picking season, so this Croydon Catherine Laws could well be the right one. Corinne Curtis On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Tim Treeby via <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi John, > There is a Catherine Laws, Death registered June 2003 in Croydon, > DOB given as 18/9/1905. > Regarding Marriage, most likely one I can see is Frederick C Laws who > marries a Catherine Howard in Southwark in 1930. > > Tim Treeby > _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry, posting again with a 'Subject'. I am having to move from a Windows Vista laptop to a Windows 10 laptop several months earlier than I was planning and have successfully transferred all my data. I am unsure what to do about emails and I'm temporarily using webmail. It makes sense to change to a cloud-based system - I don't possess an iPhone or tablet but that could change. I have thousands of old emails that I wish to be able to access somehow and I have exported them to a folder on the new laptop. I am not impressed with the little I have seen of 'Mail' in Windows 10. I am wondering about using Thunderbird but would appreciate any advice. There must be many members who have already negotiated this process and found a successful solution. Please reply off-list. Celia (Dodd) [email protected]

I made the decision to switch to a gmail primary address about the time I got a windows 10 laptop and my first android smartphone (big learning curve, but forced me into the 21st century). I was fed up of having to get a new email address every time I switched internet providers. Gmail works really well for me. On my laptop I just access gmail from the chrome browser. It remembers my logins and goes straight there. I find gmail is incredibly easy to access, allows me to easily switch between more than one gmail address or identity (work, home, genealogy) and the format of gmail (on my laptop anyway) allows very easy separation of the main inbox from social media generated emails, groups and mailing lists, and promotional emails - which all helps me manage emails a lot better. My android phone has an app for gmail as well and the work ipad I use makes setting up gmail super easy. The only downside I have found is trying to figure out what is in my "address book" as there was no easy way I could find to transfer from my previous tiscali/talktalk address book. That could just be me though. I'm a terror at not reading instructions until I run into problems. Corinne Curtis #5579 On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 10:29 AM, Celia Dodd via <[email protected]> wrote: > > I am having to move from a Windows Vista laptop to a Windows 10 laptop several months earlier than I was planning and have successfully transferred all my data. > I am unsure what to do about emails and I'm temporarily using webmail. It makes sense to change to a cloud-based system - I don't possess an iPhone or tablet but > that could change. I have thousands of old emails that I wish to be able to access somehow and I have exported them to a folder on the new laptop. > > I am not impressed with the little I have seen of 'Mail' in Windows 10. I am wondering about using Thunderbird but would appreciate any advice. There must be > many members who have already negotiated this process and found a successful solution. > > Please reply off-list. > > Celia (Dodd) > [email protected] > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am having to move from a Windows Vista laptop to a Windows 10 laptop several months earlier than I was planning and have successfully transferred all my data. I am unsure what to do about emails and I'm temporarily using webmail. It makes sense to change to a cloud-based system - I don't possess an iPhone or tablet but that could change. I have thousands of old emails that I wish to be able to access somehow and I have exported them to a folder on the new laptop. I am not impressed with the little I have seen of 'Mail' in Windows 10. I am wondering about using Thunderbird but would appreciate any advice. There must be many members who have already negotiated this process and found a successful solution. Please reply off-list. Celia (Dodd) [email protected]

Might be worth continuing the background research on hop pickers - I believe a lot of families from greater London did decamp to Kent for the hop picking season, so this Croydon Catherine Laws could well be the right one. Corinne Curtis On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Tim Treeby via <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi John, > There is a Catherine Laws, Death registered June 2003 in Croydon, > DOB given as 18/9/1905. > Regarding Marriage, most likely one I can see is Frederick C Laws who > marries a Catherine Howard in Southwark in 1930. > > Tim Treeby >

Could we try using #GOONS as a hashtag within comments? >>On 18/03/2016 08:32, Andy Micklethwaite via wrote: >> >>>>> >>>>> www.futurelearn.com/courses/genealogy >>>>> >>> >>> I know a few of us are participating. Is there a way to search the discussions? The are over 5000 posts on the "Introduce Yourself" discussion and hundreds at least on all the other discussions. There seems to me no way to see whether there are any potential contacts without going through them all - and life's too short for that!

Dear friends, I have found this photo of the gravestone for 9 year old Ellen CATH, but am having great difficulty in deciphering it. She was the daughter of Thomas CATH (d. 1831) and Jane RUSSELL. She was born about 1826 (though I have not found a record for this) and died in Dover on 7th September 1835, buried on 11th September. If anyone can help with reading what is actually on the gravestone, I should be most grateful. https://billiongraves.com/grave/ELLEN-CATH/9969400 The address given in the church record is Military Road, Dover, but basically they were a London family. Could this have been an orphanage? Her mother did not re-marry until after she died. Many thanks. Jenny Bussey (UK) Guild of One-Name Studies member 3625 One-Name Study for CATH worldwide

Paul Not sure if you have checked but I think that the logical route would be to apply for his will which is listed amongst the soldier's will on https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills Regards John Hanson, researcher, the Halsted Trust, www.halstedresearch.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paul Howes via Sent: 20 March 2016 20:05 To: [email protected] Subject: [G] Military help, please A correspondent today sent me a photo of a gravestone for a G Howes buried in Norwich (England). He died in service of his country from wounds on 27 Dec 1917, aged 29. The Commonwealth War Graves site lists him as Gordon Howes but Ancestry and others have him as George all identifiable with his service number, 14301. Because he was a Private with the West Yorkshire Regiment, some years back we had associated him with a George Howes, born in Scarborough and living in Leeds in 1911. That may well be true but we have no positive proof and had left a cautionary note on the man's record. No relatives were listed on any of the records we could see at the time. I cant find this man's enlistment papers. So it appears that his records were among those burnt. Since I last looked at this man, some extra information has come online, viz, the Register of Soldiers' Effects at Ancestry. These records can sometimes show the name of a survivor to whom any payments were made. In this case it shows "OSB". I'm not a military expert and have no idea what OSB might mean in that context. Officer Selection Board does not seem appropriate. Anyone have any idea? Then in the right hand column, it says "Dorothy May (Daughter) born 1.6.18" and "Child as above". I can't find a birth of a Dorothy May Howes in 1918. And just to confuse things a little farther, perhaps, FMP has a transcript of Soldiers of the First World War which identifies the same man by Service Number and Regiment, says he enlisted in York but was born in Norwich! He clearly died in Norfolk and there is a death registration for him in Q1 1918. Has anyone obtained a death cert for a serviceman who died "at home"? Does it list his home residence? I expect his death was certified by an Army surgeon and he was buried locally and people may not have known his home address. Were servicemen's bodies sent home for burial if within the UK and thus I should look harder among potential Norfolk men, and buy the death cert because there's a higher probability that he will have been local? Anyone have any clues about how to confirm this man's family, please? TIA. Paul -- Paul Howes Chairman, Guild of One-Name Studies www.one-name.org www.howesfamilies.com Researching House, Howes, Hows, Howse & Howze worldwide _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Paul He might have died at home with his family, his death is registered with the GRO here: Deaths 1918 Mar HOWES George 29 Blofield 4b 277 so it might be worth trying. If he died in a military hospital or convalescent home, then it could well have been, as you say, registered by a "responsible officer".... Try some local newspapers too for details of his death. Polly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Howes via" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 8:04 PM Subject: [G] Military help, please A correspondent today sent me a photo of a gravestone for a G Howes buried in Norwich (England). He died in service of his country from wounds on 27 Dec 1917, aged 29. The Commonwealth War Graves site lists him as Gordon Howes but Ancestry and others have him as George all identifiable with his service number, 14301. Because he was a Private with the West Yorkshire Regiment, some years back we had associated him with a George Howes, born in Scarborough and living in Leeds in 1911. That may well be true but we have no positive proof and had left a cautionary note on the man's record. No relatives were listed on any of the records we could see at the time. I cant find this man's enlistment papers. So it appears that his records were among those burnt. Since I last looked at this man, some extra information has come online, viz, the Register of Soldiers' Effects at Ancestry. These records can sometimes show the name of a survivor to whom any payments were made. In this case it shows "OSB". I'm not a military expert and have no idea what OSB might mean in that context. Officer Selection Board does not seem appropriate. Anyone have any idea? Then in the right hand column, it says "Dorothy May (Daughter) born 1.6.18" and "Child as above". I can't find a birth of a Dorothy May Howes in 1918. And just to confuse things a little farther, perhaps, FMP has a transcript of Soldiers of the First World War which identifies the same man by Service Number and Regiment, says he enlisted in York but was born in Norwich! He clearly died in Norfolk and there is a death registration for him in Q1 1918. Has anyone obtained a death cert for a serviceman who died "at home"? Does it list his home residence? I expect his death was certified by an Army surgeon and he was buried locally and people may not have known his home address. Were servicemen's bodies sent home for burial if within the UK and thus I should look harder among potential Norfolk men, and buy the death cert because there's a higher probability that he will have been local? Anyone have any clues about how to confirm this man's family, please? TIA. Paul

Hi Paul Before spending any money why not contact the West Yorkshire's Regimental Museum in York? http://www.yorkarmymuseum.co.uk/ They may have their own enlistment books (as the Green Howards do) and other records which could help clarify the family. Best wishes Jackie Mrs Jacqueline G Depelle www.yorksgroup.org.uk Chairman, Yorkshire Group of FHSs #5138 Message: 3 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2016 16:04:41 -0400 From: Paul Howes <[email protected]> Subject: [G] Military help, please To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]om> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 A correspondent today sent me a photo of a gravestone for a G Howes buried in Norwich (England). He died in service of his country from wounds on 27 Dec 1917, aged 29. The Commonwealth War Graves site lists him as Gordon Howes but Ancestry and others have him as George all identifiable with his service number, 14301. Because he was a Private with the West Yorkshire Regiment, some years back we had associated him with a George Howes, born in Scarborough and living in Leeds in 1911. That may well be true but we have no positive proof and had left a cautionary note on the man's record. No relatives were listed on any of the records we could see at the time. I cant find this man's enlistment papers. So it appears that his records were among those burnt. Since I last looked at this man, some extra information has come online, viz, the Register of Soldiers' Effects at Ancestry. These records can sometimes show the name of a survivor to whom any payments were made. In this case it shows "OSB". I'm not a military expert and have no idea what OSB might mean in that context. Officer Selection Board does not seem appropriate. Anyone have any idea? Then in the right hand column, it says "Dorothy May (Daughter) born 1.6.18" and "Child as above". I can't find a birth of a Dorothy May Howes in 1918. And just to confuse things a little farther, perhaps, FMP has a transcript of Soldiers of the First World War which identifies the same man by Service Number and Regiment, says he enlisted in York but was born in Norwich! He clearly died in Norfolk and there is a death registration for him in Q1 1918. Has anyone obtained a death cert for a serviceman who died "at home"? Does it list his home residence? I expect his death was certified by an Army surgeon and he was buried locally and people may not have known his home address. Were servicemen's bodies sent home for burial if within the UK and thus I should look harder among potential Norfolk men, and buy the death cert because there's a higher probability that he will have been local? Anyone have any clues about how to confirm this man's family, please? TIA. Paul -- Paul Howes Chairman, Guild of One-Name Studies www.one-name.org www.howesfamilies.com Researching House, Howes, Hows, Howse & Howze worldwide End of GOONS Digest, Vol 11, Issue 126 **************************************

Thanks to Polly, Ken and John, especially for that last idea. I'd not realized there was a third column there. Given that it's only an additional 75p for the will rather than the death cert, I think I'll go for the will. Regards P On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 6:12 PM, John Hanson <[email protected]> wrote: > Paul > Not sure if you have checked but I think that the logical route would be to > apply for his will which is listed amongst the soldier's will on > https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills > > Regards > John Hanson, researcher, the Halsted Trust, www.halstedresearch.org.uk > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Paul Howes via > Sent: 20 March 2016 20:05 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [G] Military help, please > > A correspondent today sent me a photo of a gravestone for a G Howes buried > in Norwich (England). He died in service of his country from wounds on 27 > Dec 1917, aged 29. The Commonwealth War Graves site lists him as Gordon > Howes but Ancestry and others have him as George all identifiable with his > service number, 14301. > > Because he was a Private with the West Yorkshire Regiment, some years back > we had associated him with a George Howes, born in Scarborough and living in > Leeds in 1911. That may well be true but we have no positive proof and had > left a cautionary note on the man's record. No relatives were listed on any > of the records we could see at the time. > I cant find this man's enlistment papers. So it appears that his records > were among those burnt. > > Since I last looked at this man, some extra information has come online, > viz, the Register of Soldiers' Effects at Ancestry. These records can > sometimes show the name of a survivor to whom any payments were made. In > this case it shows "OSB". I'm not a military expert and have no idea what > OSB might mean in that context. Officer Selection Board does not seem > appropriate. Anyone have any idea? > > Then in the right hand column, it says "Dorothy May (Daughter) born 1.6.18" > and "Child as above". I can't find a birth of a Dorothy May Howes in 1918. > > And just to confuse things a little farther, perhaps, FMP has a transcript > of Soldiers of the First World War which identifies the same man by Service > Number and Regiment, says he enlisted in York but was born in Norwich! > > He clearly died in Norfolk and there is a death registration for him in Q1 > 1918. Has anyone obtained a death cert for a serviceman who died "at home"? > Does it list his home residence? I expect his death was certified by an > Army surgeon and he was buried locally and people may not have known his > home address. Were servicemen's bodies sent home for burial if within the UK > and thus I should look harder among potential Norfolk men, and buy the death > cert because there's a higher probability that he will have been local? > > Anyone have any clues about how to confirm this man's family, please? TIA. > Paul > > > > -- > Paul Howes > Chairman, Guild of One-Name Studies www.one-name.org www.howesfamilies.com > Researching House, Howes, Hows, Howse & Howze worldwide > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > -- Paul Howes Chairman, Guild of One-Name Studies www.one-name.org www.howesfamilies.com Researching House, Howes, Hows, Howse & Howze worldwide

A correspondent today sent me a photo of a gravestone for a G Howes buried in Norwich (England). He died in service of his country from wounds on 27 Dec 1917, aged 29. The Commonwealth War Graves site lists him as Gordon Howes but Ancestry and others have him as George all identifiable with his service number, 14301. Because he was a Private with the West Yorkshire Regiment, some years back we had associated him with a George Howes, born in Scarborough and living in Leeds in 1911. That may well be true but we have no positive proof and had left a cautionary note on the man's record. No relatives were listed on any of the records we could see at the time. I cant find this man's enlistment papers. So it appears that his records were among those burnt. Since I last looked at this man, some extra information has come online, viz, the Register of Soldiers' Effects at Ancestry. These records can sometimes show the name of a survivor to whom any payments were made. In this case it shows "OSB". I'm not a military expert and have no idea what OSB might mean in that context. Officer Selection Board does not seem appropriate. Anyone have any idea? Then in the right hand column, it says "Dorothy May (Daughter) born 1.6.18" and "Child as above". I can't find a birth of a Dorothy May Howes in 1918. And just to confuse things a little farther, perhaps, FMP has a transcript of Soldiers of the First World War which identifies the same man by Service Number and Regiment, says he enlisted in York but was born in Norwich! He clearly died in Norfolk and there is a death registration for him in Q1 1918. Has anyone obtained a death cert for a serviceman who died "at home"? Does it list his home residence? I expect his death was certified by an Army surgeon and he was buried locally and people may not have known his home address. Were servicemen's bodies sent home for burial if within the UK and thus I should look harder among potential Norfolk men, and buy the death cert because there's a higher probability that he will have been local? Anyone have any clues about how to confirm this man's family, please? TIA. Paul -- Paul Howes Chairman, Guild of One-Name Studies www.one-name.org www.howesfamilies.com Researching House, Howes, Hows, Howse & Howze worldwide

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