Just a general note on Inquests. I know that one wants to see everything, but my personal experience of inquests makes me very sceptical about their value. 1. A g.g.grandfather died in a mining accident. The Coroner rather spoiled the records by informing the Registrar that the deceased was named Ralph, instead of Mark. 2 A g.uncle by marriage was found drowned in 1913 14 hours after leaving his lodgings to visit his 14 year-old daughter living with my grandparents. According to press reports and family legend, the only witness called was his landlord who said he had gone to visit one of his two daughters (wrong, he had only one). The police didn't even bother to find out if he had actually arrived; verdict - "found drowned, no reason to suggest how he got into water". There are strong grounds to believe he was pushed in. 3 A man found drowned in 1939, several days after disappearing. Identical verdict to the above. Understandably perhaps, it wasn't disclosed that his wife had just discovered that she was pregnant yet again and he was not best pleased. 4. My father was involved in an inquest in the 1950's; he had suspected a subordinate of misappropriation of funds, asked him to explain it, and was told an hour later that the man had hanged himself. My father perjured himself at the inquest by saying he knew of no reason for this, in order to protect the widow and family (he felt responsible for the man's death for the rest of his life). So I don't put much faith in inquests. Adrian On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 4:45 PM, John Hill via <[email protected]> wrote: > I would like to find, if it exists, the record of the coroner's inquest on the death of Ellen Ford Hill, who died on 15 Dec 1909 in Four Oaks, Birmingham. > > When I enquired some years ago, I was informed that "Unfortunately the record of the inquest has not survived; the earliest records held for the Warwickshire Northern District start in 1911"; but it is just possible that the earlier records found their way into an archive somewhere. > > Any suggestions as to where/how I might find it? > > John. > > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi John Just looked on Ancestry for his death and it states he died Oct 1987 North Tyneside, Tyne and Wear Vol 2 Page 974. Maria -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John P Laws via Sent: 22 March 2016 10:30 To: [email protected] Subject: [G] Beware of Indexes and the new 1939 Index Hi One-Namers Everywhere The first family I checked this morning in the 1939 Register is odd, there was Jonathan LAWS, a LNER Railway platelayer, and Margaret his wife and Ada a daughter also a 2 yr old child Ronald LAWS living in Newcastle upon Tyne, so I looked up Ronalds birth on Ancestry and found a death registration for him dated Oct 1937 with the birth date of 8 Jul 1937 which fits with 1939 register if he were living, and age of 50 perhaps that was 50 days. So how come a child born and died in 1937 is listed as 50 unless perhaps he lived for 50 days and how did he appear in the 1939 register 2 years later? Makes you very wary. John P Laws Registrar Laws Family Register Putting Flesh on the Bones of History www.lawsandlawes.blogspot.co.uk _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi One-Namers Everywhere The first family I checked this morning in the 1939 Register is odd, there was Jonathan LAWS, a LNER Railway platelayer, and Margaret his wife and Ada a daughter also a 2 yr old child Ronald LAWS living in Newcastle upon Tyne, so I looked up Ronalds birth on Ancestry and found a death registration for him dated Oct 1937 with the birth date of 8 Jul 1937 which fits with 1939 register if he were living, and age of 50 perhaps that was 50 days. So how come a child born and died in 1937 is listed as 50 unless perhaps he lived for 50 days and how did he appear in the 1939 register 2 years later? Makes you very wary. John P Laws Registrar Laws Family Register Putting Flesh on the Bones of History www.lawsandlawes.blogspot.co.uk

Thanks, Andrew - I’ll follow that up. John. > On 21 Mar 2016, at 18:10, MILLARD A.R. via <[email protected]> wrote: > > The National Archives recently had a useful blog post on tracing coroner's records, and what you might expect to find in them: > http://blog.nationalarchives.gov.uk/blog/coroners-inquest-records/ > > > > Best wishes > > Andrew > -- > Andrew Millard - [email protected] > Chair, Trustees of Genuki: www.genuki.org.uk > Maintainer, Genuki Middx + London: www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/MDX/ + ../LND/ > Academic Co-ordinator, Guild of One-Name Studies: www.one-name.org > Bodimeade one-name study: community.dur.ac.uk/a.r.millard/genealogy/Bodimeade/ > My genealogy: community.dur.ac.uk/a.r.millard/genealogy/ > > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Paul, Thanks, but I already did that… What I was after was the original testimony of the witnesses, and the account in the press only summarises the proceedings. John. > On 21 Mar 2016, at 17:15, Paul Prescott <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi John: > > Your chances are finding the records are very slim indeed. But you > should be able to find a good description of the case in newspaper > records. FMP has the Birmingham Mail and others. > > Paul > > > > > On 21 March 2016 at 16:45, John Hill via <[email protected]> wrote: >> I would like to find, if it exists, the record of the coroner's inquest on the death of Ellen Ford Hill, who died on 15 Dec 1909 in Four Oaks, Birmingham. >> >> When I enquired some years ago, I was informed that "Unfortunately the record of the inquest has not survived; the earliest records held for the Warwickshire Northern District start in 1911"; but it is just possible that the earlier records found their way into an archive somewhere. >> >> Any suggestions as to where/how I might find it? >> >> John. >> >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: >> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all My immediate thoughts are 1. the computer is busy doing something else (this could be a background task which is valid or there is software running which should not be!. 2. There is not enough memory so files are being swapped in/out of the hard disk. (For both of the above you can look at the performance monitor to check this.) 3. As far as I know Office 2007 does have a greater overhead than 2010 , 2013 or 2016 - my guess is that Win-10 is optimised for 2016 Chris Broomfield Broomfield, Bromfield & Brumfield One Name Study -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John P Laws via Sent: 21 March 2016 22:01 To: 'Ken Toll'; [email protected] Subject: Re: [G] (no subject) Hi One-Namers everywhere I use Microsoft Outlook 2007 with Business Contact Manager, which picks up all my mail including my Gmail, sadly since upgrading to Win-10 Office is misbehaving, deleting more that the indicated mail refusing to move mail into various distribution boxes. Excel is misbehaving as well and when editing work in Word or on my Google Blog It may take up to a dozen attempts to highlight a word or sentence or even to get buttons to illuminate Bold Italic etc My Norton Anti-Virus 365 is up to date So what is my problem John P Laws Registrar Laws Family Register Putting Flesh on the Bones of History www.lawsandlawes.blogspot.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ken Toll via Sent: 21 March, 2016 11:55 AM To: Corinne Curtis; Goons mailing list Cc: Celia Dodd Subject: Re: [G] (no subject) I took the same decision as Corrine. I'm now looking for a reliable email client, and Gmail don't guarantee to keep your mail archive safe forever... Ken On 21 March 2016 at 11:31, Corinne Curtis via <[email protected]> wrote: > I made the decision to switch to a gmail primary address about the > time I got a windows 10 laptop and my first android smartphone (big > learning curve, but forced me into the 21st century). I was fed up of > having to get a new email address every time I switched internet > providers. Gmail works really well for me. On my laptop I just access > gmail from the chrome browser. It remembers my logins and goes > straight there. I find gmail is incredibly easy to access, allows me > to easily switch between more than one gmail address or identity > (work, home, genealogy) and the format of gmail (on my laptop anyway) > allows very easy separation of the main inbox from social media > generated emails, groups and mailing lists, and promotional emails - > which all helps me manage emails a lot better. My android phone has > an app for gmail as well and the work ipad I use makes setting up > gmail super easy. The only downside I have found is trying to figure > out what is in my "address book" as there was no easy way I could find > to transfer from my previous tiscali/talktalk address book. That > could just be me though. I'm a terror at not reading instructions > until I run into problems. > > Corinne Curtis #5579 > > On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 10:29 AM, Celia Dodd via <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I am having to move from a Windows Vista laptop to a Windows 10 laptop several months earlier than I was planning and have successfully transferred all my data. >> I am unsure what to do about emails and I'm temporarily using >> webmail. It makes sense to change to a cloud-based system - I don't possess an iPhone or tablet but that could change. I have thousands of old emails that I wish to be able to access somehow and I have exported them to a folder on the new laptop. >> >> I am not impressed with the little I have seen of 'Mail' in Windows >> 10. I am wondering about using Thunderbird but would appreciate any advice. There must be many members who have already negotiated this process and found a successful solution. >> >> Please reply off-list. >> >> Celia (Dodd) >> [email protected] >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: >> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Of course, if you do find which Dorothy is yours, you could add a postem to her on Freebmd giving the middle name and the father, to help someone else … Anne 5083/Blocksidge NZ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paul Howes Sent: Tuesday, 22 March 2016 6:41 AM To: Anne Brady Subject: Re: [G] [G} Militrary help, please Thanks much, Anne. Will do. Kind regards Paul On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Anne Brady via <[email protected]> wrote: Paul, About the daughter - possibly registered under the mothers name, I would think, since you don't mention a marriage. There are rather a lot of 'Dorothy M' births in the 2nd & 3rd Q's, the GRO have a LOT to answer for, reducing the middle names to first letters only! Hopefully you will let us know if you have any joy with the will. Anne 5083/Blocksidge NZ >Then in the right hand column, it says "Dorothy May (Daughter) born 1.6.18" and "Child as above". I can't find a birth of a Dorothy May Howes in 1918. >Paul Howes

Paul, About the daughter - possibly registered under the mothers name, I would think, since you don't mention a marriage. There are rather a lot of 'Dorothy M' births in the 2nd & 3rd Q's, the GRO have a LOT to answer for, reducing the middle names to first letters only! Hopefully you will let us know if you have any joy with the will. Anne 5083/Blocksidge NZ >Then in the right hand column, it says "Dorothy May (Daughter) born 1.6.18" and "Child as above". I can't find a birth of a Dorothy May Howes in 1918. >Paul Howes

Hi Celia, ThunderBird is a fine product, however a word of warning if you do change your e-mail address you may need to uninstall ThunderBird then reinstall it to get it to correctly accept the new email address, this is what I have found to be the case. Pegasus is another Email client that is good as well. Not sure how either works with the cloud as I do not use the cloud at all. On 21/03/2016 11:29 PM, Celia Dodd via wrote: > I am having to move from a Windows Vista laptop to a Windows 10 laptop several months earlier than I was planning and have successfully transferred all my data. > I am unsure what to do about emails and I'm temporarily using webmail. It makes sense to change to a cloud-based system - I don't possess an iPhone or tablet but > that could change. I have thousands of old emails that I wish to be able to access somehow and I have exported them to a folder on the new laptop. > > I am not impressed with the little I have seen of 'Mail' in Windows 10. I am wondering about using Thunderbird but would appreciate any advice. There must be > many members who have already negotiated this process and found a successful solution. > > Please reply off-list. > > Celia (Dodd) > [email protected] > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- David J Grimshaw (or is it Grimason?) Genealogical Researcher of the "Grimason" surname and variations of the "Grimason" surname World Wide. A One Name study registered with the Guild of One Name Studies (GOONS): 6138 formerly 2962 The "Sherlock Holmes" of this family according to some.

Hi One-Namers everywhere I use Microsoft Outlook 2007 with Business Contact Manager, which picks up all my mail including my Gmail, sadly since upgrading to Win-10 Office is misbehaving, deleting more that the indicated mail refusing to move mail into various distribution boxes. Excel is misbehaving as well and when editing work in Word or on my Google Blog It may take up to a dozen attempts to highlight a word or sentence or even to get buttons to illuminate Bold Italic etc My Norton Anti-Virus 365 is up to date So what is my problem John P Laws Registrar Laws Family Register Putting Flesh on the Bones of History www.lawsandlawes.blogspot.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ken Toll via Sent: 21 March, 2016 11:55 AM To: Corinne Curtis; Goons mailing list Cc: Celia Dodd Subject: Re: [G] (no subject) I took the same decision as Corrine. I'm now looking for a reliable email client, and Gmail don't guarantee to keep your mail archive safe forever... Ken On 21 March 2016 at 11:31, Corinne Curtis via <[email protected]> wrote: > I made the decision to switch to a gmail primary address about the > time I got a windows 10 laptop and my first android smartphone (big > learning curve, but forced me into the 21st century). I was fed up of > having to get a new email address every time I switched internet > providers. Gmail works really well for me. On my laptop I just access > gmail from the chrome browser. It remembers my logins and goes > straight there. I find gmail is incredibly easy to access, allows me > to easily switch between more than one gmail address or identity > (work, home, genealogy) and the format of gmail (on my laptop anyway) > allows very easy separation of the main inbox from social media > generated emails, groups and mailing lists, and promotional emails - > which all helps me manage emails a lot better. My android phone has > an app for gmail as well and the work ipad I use makes setting up > gmail super easy. The only downside I have found is trying to figure > out what is in my "address book" as there was no easy way I could find > to transfer from my previous tiscali/talktalk address book. That > could just be me though. I'm a terror at not reading instructions > until I run into problems. > > Corinne Curtis #5579 > > On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 10:29 AM, Celia Dodd via <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I am having to move from a Windows Vista laptop to a Windows 10 laptop several months earlier than I was planning and have successfully transferred all my data. >> I am unsure what to do about emails and I'm temporarily using >> webmail. It makes sense to change to a cloud-based system - I don't possess an iPhone or tablet but that could change. I have thousands of old emails that I wish to be able to access somehow and I have exported them to a folder on the new laptop. >> >> I am not impressed with the little I have seen of 'Mail' in Windows >> 10. I am wondering about using Thunderbird but would appreciate any advice. There must be many members who have already negotiated this process and found a successful solution. >> >> Please reply off-list. >> >> Celia (Dodd) >> [email protected] >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: >> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Paul The Register of Soldiers Effects says which you mention says place of death was the "War Hp, Norwich " on 27.12.1917. So he doesn't appear to have died 'at home' The column which has "OSB" for him is that giving the name of the person who is authorised to receive his effects. For all the other people on the page a person is named. I have noticed OSB is also applied to a soldier who is listed a few pages later with again a marginal note naming a young daughter. I'm not a Latin scholar but might the first two letters of OSB be Obit Sine Bxxx , meaning something like Died without Beneficiaries? After 1911 the Birth Registers do not (normally) give a child's second name, just an initial, There is a birth registered in St Faith's District in Q4 1918 (4b 147) for a Dorothy M HOWES which even though more than 6 weeks after Dorothy's date of birth given in the Soldiers' Effects document might be her. Mother's name was listed as GREEN, though I can't find a HOWES-GREEN marriage in England/Wales which seems to fit. Might he have been married Overseas, or perhaps not married at all? Nick Member 4108 Chesson and variants On 20/03/2016 20:04, Paul Howes via wrote: > A correspondent today sent me a photo of a gravestone for a G Howes > buried in Norwich (England). He died in service of his country from > wounds on 27 Dec 1917, aged 29. The Commonwealth War Graves site > lists him as Gordon Howes but Ancestry and others have him as George > all identifiable with his service number, 14301. > > Because he was a Private with the West Yorkshire Regiment, some years > back we had associated him with a George Howes, born in Scarborough > and living in Leeds in 1911. That may well be true but we have no > positive proof and had left a cautionary note on the man's record. No > relatives were listed on any of the records we could see at the time. > I cant find this man's enlistment papers. So it appears that his > records were among those burnt. > > Since I last looked at this man, some extra information has come > online, viz, the Register of Soldiers' Effects at Ancestry. These > records can sometimes show the name of a survivor to whom any payments > were made. In this case it shows "OSB". I'm not a military expert > and have no idea what OSB might mean in that context. Officer > Selection Board does not seem appropriate. Anyone have any idea? > > Then in the right hand column, it says "Dorothy May (Daughter) born > 1.6.18" and "Child as above". I can't find a birth of a Dorothy May > Howes in 1918. > > And just to confuse things a little farther, perhaps, FMP has a > transcript of Soldiers of the First World War which identifies the > same man by Service Number and Regiment, says he enlisted in York but > was born in Norwich! > > He clearly died in Norfolk and there is a death registration for him > in Q1 1918. Has anyone obtained a death cert for a serviceman who > died "at home"? Does it list his home residence? I expect his death > was certified by an Army surgeon and he was buried locally and people > may not have known his home address. Were servicemen's bodies sent > home for burial if within the UK and thus I should look harder among > potential Norfolk men, and buy the death cert because there's a higher > probability that he will have been local? > > Anyone have any clues about how to confirm this man's family, please? TIA. > Paul > > >

The National Archives recently had a useful blog post on tracing coroner's records, and what you might expect to find in them: http://blog.nationalarchives.gov.uk/blog/coroners-inquest-records/ Best wishes Andrew -- Andrew Millard - [email protected] Chair, Trustees of Genuki: www.genuki.org.uk Maintainer, Genuki Middx + London: www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/MDX/ + ../LND/ Academic Co-ordinator, Guild of One-Name Studies: www.one-name.org Bodimeade one-name study: community.dur.ac.uk/a.r.millard/genealogy/Bodimeade/ My genealogy: community.dur.ac.uk/a.r.millard/genealogy/

Hi John: Your chances are finding the records are very slim indeed. But you should be able to find a good description of the case in newspaper records. FMP has the Birmingham Mail and others. Paul On 21 March 2016 at 16:45, John Hill via <[email protected]> wrote: > I would like to find, if it exists, the record of the coroner's inquest on the death of Ellen Ford Hill, who died on 15 Dec 1909 in Four Oaks, Birmingham. > > When I enquired some years ago, I was informed that "Unfortunately the record of the inquest has not survived; the earliest records held for the Warwickshire Northern District start in 1911"; but it is just possible that the earlier records found their way into an archive somewhere. > > Any suggestions as to where/how I might find it? > > John. > > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would like to find, if it exists, the record of the coroner's inquest on the death of Ellen Ford Hill, who died on 15 Dec 1909 in Four Oaks, Birmingham. When I enquired some years ago, I was informed that "Unfortunately the record of the inquest has not survived; the earliest records held for the Warwickshire Northern District start in 1911"; but it is just possible that the earlier records found their way into an archive somewhere. Any suggestions as to where/how I might find it? John.

Hi Nick. My query was long enough and I didn't give all the details I had. Just enough to get responses to the key questions. By "at home" I merely meant in blighty rather than overseas like most war casualties. Your OSB translation makes sense. So I'm very intrigued to get a copy of that will when it arrives. It may be the only link to another relative. We'd seen the birth registration for that Dorothy M. She is in our database, the daughter of a John Robert HOWES who had married Lily Martha GREEN in 1908. Thanks to you and others for your helpfulness Paul On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Nicholas Spence <[email protected]> wrote: > Paul > > The Register of Soldiers Effects says which you mention says place of death > was the "War Hp, Norwich " on 27.12.1917. So he doesn't appear to have died > 'at home' > > The column which has "OSB" for him is that giving the name of the person who > is authorised to receive his effects. For all the other people on the page a > person is named. I have noticed OSB is also applied to a soldier who is > listed a few pages later with again a marginal note naming a young daughter. > I'm not a Latin scholar but might the first two letters of OSB be Obit Sine > Bxxx , meaning something like Died without Beneficiaries? > > After 1911 the Birth Registers do not (normally) give a child's second name, > just an initial, There is a birth registered in St Faith's District in Q4 > 1918 (4b 147) for a Dorothy M HOWES which even though more than 6 weeks > after Dorothy's date of birth given in the Soldiers' Effects document might > be her. Mother's name was listed as GREEN, though I can't find a HOWES-GREEN > marriage in England/Wales which seems to fit. Might he have been married > Overseas, or perhaps not married at all? > > Nick Member 4108 > Chesson and variants > > > > On 20/03/2016 20:04, Paul Howes via wrote: >> >> A correspondent today sent me a photo of a gravestone for a G Howes >> buried in Norwich (England). He died in service of his country from >> wounds on 27 Dec 1917, aged 29. The Commonwealth War Graves site >> lists him as Gordon Howes but Ancestry and others have him as George >> all identifiable with his service number, 14301. >> >> Because he was a Private with the West Yorkshire Regiment, some years >> back we had associated him with a George Howes, born in Scarborough >> and living in Leeds in 1911. That may well be true but we have no >> positive proof and had left a cautionary note on the man's record. No >> relatives were listed on any of the records we could see at the time. >> I cant find this man's enlistment papers. So it appears that his >> records were among those burnt. >> >> Since I last looked at this man, some extra information has come >> online, viz, the Register of Soldiers' Effects at Ancestry. These >> records can sometimes show the name of a survivor to whom any payments >> were made. In this case it shows "OSB". I'm not a military expert >> and have no idea what OSB might mean in that context. Officer >> Selection Board does not seem appropriate. Anyone have any idea? >> >> Then in the right hand column, it says "Dorothy May (Daughter) born >> 1.6.18" and "Child as above". I can't find a birth of a Dorothy May >> Howes in 1918. >> >> And just to confuse things a little farther, perhaps, FMP has a >> transcript of Soldiers of the First World War which identifies the >> same man by Service Number and Regiment, says he enlisted in York but >> was born in Norwich! >> >> He clearly died in Norfolk and there is a death registration for him >> in Q1 1918. Has anyone obtained a death cert for a serviceman who >> died "at home"? Does it list his home residence? I expect his death >> was certified by an Army surgeon and he was buried locally and people >> may not have known his home address. Were servicemen's bodies sent >> home for burial if within the UK and thus I should look harder among >> potential Norfolk men, and buy the death cert because there's a higher >> probability that he will have been local? >> >> Anyone have any clues about how to confirm this man's family, please? >> TIA. >> Paul >> >> >> > -- Paul Howes Chairman, Guild of One-Name Studies www.one-name.org www.howesfamilies.com Researching House, Howes, Hows, Howse & Howze worldwide

My great grandmother took her children to hollingbourne, kent in 1939. It was the first I knew that the family were not in Essex. Spoke to my mother who explained that her grandmother often took them hop picking. It's amazing how new memories are unlocked with a key phrase. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gordon Lickfold via Sent: 21 March 2016 11:38 To: Corinne Curtis <[email protected]>; [email protected] Subject: Re: [G] 1939 Register - Hop picking - for John Laws Just in case this little bit of social history is any help to John - I actually went hop picking at Cranbrook in Kent when a student in about 1969 and 1970. We stayed in a caravan on the farm for about a fortnight until the job was done. I mostly drove a tractor to harvest the hops and get them in from the fields. It was great fun. And for a student the money was good too! This was in the dying years of traditional hop picking, but there were several families there from the East End. Some had been going to the same farm for many many years. They mostly worked in the "picking shed", sorting the hops as they were stripped off the vines and preparing them to go in the oast house. I remember being enthralled by their tales of life (and hardship) in the East End. Gordon Lickfold #313 ----Original message---- >From : [email protected] Date : 21/03/2016 - 11:08 (GMTST) To : [email protected] Subject : Re: [G] 1939 Register Might be worth continuing the background research on hop pickers - I believe a lot of families from greater London did decamp to Kent for the hop picking season, so this Croydon Catherine Laws could well be the right one. Corinne Curtis On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Tim Treeby via <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi John, > There is a Catherine Laws, Death registered June 2003 in Croydon, > DOB given as 18/9/1905. > Regarding Marriage, most likely one I can see is Frederick C Laws who > marries a Catherine Howard in Southwark in 1930. > > Tim Treeby > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Jenny, I live 5 miles from Dover so if no one is able to help you I will pop to the cemetery and have a look after the school holidays. I see she was buried at St Mary's, does billion graves gve a plot number? Sheila Constantine One Name study [email protected] ________________________________ From: Jenny Bussey via <[email protected]> To: Forum <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:31 AM Subject: [G] Gravestone at St Mary the Virgin, Dover Dear friends, I have found this photo of the gravestone for 9 year old Ellen CATH, but am having great difficulty in deciphering it. She was the daughter of Thomas CATH (d. 1831) and Jane RUSSELL. She was born about 1826 (though I have not found a record for this) and died in Dover on 7th September 1835, buried on 11th September. If anyone can help with reading what is actually on the gravestone, I should be most grateful. https://billiongraves.com/grave/ELLEN-CATH/9969400 The address given in the church record is Military Road, Dover, but basically they were a London family. Could this have been an orphanage? Her mother did not re-marry until after she died. Many thanks. Jenny Bussey (UK) Guild of One-Name Studies member 3625 One-Name Study for CATH worldwide _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have to be at Kew tomorrow, Jenny, so I can probably look this up. I would also check the Ship's Muster Roll at the same time as his death should be recorded there. It will also give an indication if it was a one-off event or there was some epidemic on board. As you may know the Captain's Log is unlikely to record the death of a seaman, but it will tell you where the ship was and what the weather conditions at the time were. Best regards Brian -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jenny Bussey via Sent: 21 March 2016 12:35 To: Forum Subject: [G] HMS Albion 1808 Dear kind souls, I should be very grateful if someone who is going to TNA in the near future could look up the log book of the ALBION on 22nd September 1808 to see if there is an explanation of why George CATH, Able Seaman, born 1781, died at sea on that day. This record has not been digitised. >From Wikipedia "In May 1803 she was under the command of Captain John Ferrier and joined Admiral Cornwallis' fleet, which was blockading the vital French naval port of Brest, but was soon detached from the fleet to deploy to the Indian Ocean where she was to remain for several years. In 1809 Albion was escort to a fleet of nine East Indiamen returning to Britain. A gale that commenced around 20 November dispersed the fleet and caused three of the Indiamen to founder without a trace." So it seems probable that the ALBION was still in the Indian Ocean in Sept 1808. Reference: ADM 51/2104 Description: Captains' logs, including: ALBION (1808 May 3-1810 Jan 22). ALBION (1813 Mar 11-1814 Jan 30). ALBION (1815 May 28-1815 Dec 31). ALBION (1817 Jan 1-1817 June 30). ALBION (1819 May 22-1820 Nov 30) Date: 1808-1820 Held by: The National Archives, Kew Legal status: Public Record Closure status: Open Document, Open Description Very many thanks. Jenny Bussey (UK) Guild of One-Name Studies member 3625 One-Name Study for CATH worldwide _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I use Outlook to manage my five e-mail addresses - all very simple - automatically filing each e-mail in the right place - no matter which address I receive it via. I have the mail file, and the archives, backed up on the web as well as on an external drive and a "thumb drive". In that way - I don't need to be on-line to see any of my e-mail, yet it is safe in case of technical challenges (like a house-fire or disk-failure). I am not saying it is any better that any other system - it is just one I have used for about twenty years and I see no reason to change. By the way - my poor little iPhone can't handle all that mail and I don't want to burden the iPad, so it is best stored on the trusty laptop until the Internet becomes fast enough, widespread and cheaper. Oh what fun. Cris -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ken Toll via Sent: 21 March 2016 11:55 To: Corinne Curtis; Goons mailing list Cc: Celia Dodd Subject: Re: [G] (no subject) I took the same decision as Corrine. I'm now looking for a reliable email client, and Gmail don't guarantee to keep your mail archive safe forever... Ken On 21 March 2016 at 11:31, Corinne Curtis via <[email protected]> wrote: > I made the decision to switch to a gmail primary address about the > time I got a windows 10 laptop and my first android smartphone (big > learning curve, but forced me into the 21st century). I was fed up of > having to get a new email address every time I switched internet > providers. Gmail works really well for me. On my laptop I just access > gmail from the chrome browser. It remembers my logins and goes > straight there. I find gmail is incredibly easy to access, allows me > to easily switch between more than one gmail address or identity > (work, home, genealogy) and the format of gmail (on my laptop anyway) > allows very easy separation of the main inbox from social media > generated emails, groups and mailing lists, and promotional emails - > which all helps me manage emails a lot better. My android phone has > an app for gmail as well and the work ipad I use makes setting up > gmail super easy. The only downside I have found is trying to figure > out what is in my "address book" as there was no easy way I could find > to transfer from my previous tiscali/talktalk address book. That > could just be me though. I'm a terror at not reading instructions > until I run into problems. > > Corinne Curtis #5579 > > On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 10:29 AM, Celia Dodd via <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I am having to move from a Windows Vista laptop to a Windows 10 laptop several months earlier than I was planning and have successfully transferred all my data. >> I am unsure what to do about emails and I'm temporarily using >> webmail. It makes sense to change to a cloud-based system - I don't possess an iPhone or tablet but that could change. I have thousands of old emails that I wish to be able to access somehow and I have exported them to a folder on the new laptop. >> >> I am not impressed with the little I have seen of 'Mail' in Windows >> 10. I am wondering about using Thunderbird but would appreciate any advice. There must be many members who have already negotiated this process and found a successful solution. >> >> Please reply off-list. >> >> Celia (Dodd) >> [email protected] >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: >> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> With Thunderbird, it is possible to same the email as a file on your computer so not relying on the provider > Nikki > #6552 You can download and save Gmail message to your computer, too, and then file them in a folder outside your inbox so they never go away . . . Paul ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Brazell (5581) Berlin, Germany http://www.one-name.org/profiles/brazell.html http://www.brazellnuts.com http://www.oxsil.org.uk/