Hi, I'm trying to research an article in the Morning Post 1810's having seen an extract printed decades ago, maybe in Society of Genealogists Journal. The original gives far more information: 15 Aug. 1817. Says the wife of Edward Rigby, M.D. of Norwich had quadruplets of 3 sons & a daughter. Previously he had eight children the two eldest being twins and he is a great-grandfather; at one birth three great-uncles and a great-aunt being the relationship between the above and infant son of Mr. John Bawtree, Junior of Colchester. Goes on to say that Norwich will give 'a piece of plate value 25 guineas' to the couple with the names of the babies inscribed thereon. Finally it relates the deaths of all four babies within a few months of birth. Elsewhere I found Dr. Edward Rigby died 1821 in his 74th year, having married twice and left ten children. Trying to trace the relationship back from a John Bawtree of Colchester to Edward Rigby of Norwich I found a son also born 1817 to Rev. John Bawtree who married 1816 at Colney, Norfolk to Mary Postle. She was born at Colney, Norfolk 1796 to Jehosaphat Postle and Sarah nee Rigby, singlewoman. They had married 1792 at Norwich, Norfolk where an Ipswich newspaper announcement said 'Miss Rigby, daughter of Edward Rigby, Esq.' so I was on the right track. The quadruplets were baptized to Edward Rigby and Ann, she being Miss Palgrave who had married Edward Rigby in October 1803 at Coltishall, Norfolk which produced twins in 1804 then four single births before the quads in 1817. No sign of Sarah Rigby who I've vaguely estimated to have been born about 1771. I've not been able to find an original image of the Edward Rigby/Ann Palgrave marriage to verify he was widowed by October 1803. Must assume that Sarah Rigby was from an earlier marriage, even though the article says Edward's first children were twins they appear to have been born to his second wife. Edward Rigby's first marriage appears to be to Sarah Dyball in 1769 at Norwich with Sarah being buried April 1803 aged 69 so she would have been about 35 when she married Edward aged about 21. I have only found one child, Mary, bapt. from this marriage in 1773 at Norwich, still no Sarah Rigby. I've not found that Edward Rigby left a will - if he mentioned his ten living children by name to include Sarah as Postle, that would be alternative good evidence of the newspaper article being correct. This is getting rather far away from my Bawtree one-name study but I would rather like to prove the newspaper article's supposed connection between the Bawtrees and Rigbys - via Postles - just need a baptism of Sarah Rigby about 1771 to Edward & Sarah :>) From Merryl Wells of Luton, Beds. E-Mail: [email protected] GOONS Mem. No. 1757 Reg. ONS: Bawtree; Gullick/ock, Moist/Moyst. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick R. L. Dunbar via" <[email protected]> To: "GOONS LIST" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2016 12:33 PM Subject: [G] Over-egged Cousins > I'm struggling to sort out problems such as duplicates and relationships > with my ancient line of Dunbars. Not very exciting, but once in a while > something raises a smile. For instance - > > Sir William Rowe Dunbar (1776-1841) married his cousin Jacobina Anne > Copeland (1776-1807) > > Checked with Relationship Calculator, search within 250 generations > > Husband > 2nd cousin > 1st cousin 3 removed, then 37 relaionships later > 2nd cousin 246 times removed. > > I think I'll stick with husband and second cousin! > > Pat Dunbar

Hi, I'm trying to research an article in the Morning Post 1810's having seen an extract printed decades ago, maybe in Society of Genealogists Journal. The original gives far more information: 15 Aug. 1817. Says the wife of Edward Rigby, M.D. of Norwich had quadruplets of 3 sons & a daughter. Previously he had eight children the two eldest being twins and he is a great-grandfather; at one birth three great-uncles and a great-aunt being the relationship between the above and infant son of Mr. John Bawtree, Junior of Colchester. Goes on to say that Norwich will give 'a piece of plate value 25 guineas' to the couple with the names of the babies inscribed thereon. Finally it relates the deaths of all four babies within a few months of birth. Elsewhere I found Dr. Edward Rigby died 1821 in his 74th year, having married twice and left ten children. Trying to trace the relationship back from a John Bawtree of Colchester to Edward Rigby of Norwich I found a son also born 1817 to Rev. John Bawtree who married 1816 at Colney, Norfolk to Mary Postle. She was born at Colney, Norfolk 1796 to Jehosaphat Postle and Sarah nee Rigby, singlewoman. They had married 1792 at Norwich, Norfolk where an Ipswich newspaper announcement said 'Miss Rigby, daughter of Edward Rigby, Esq.' so I was on the right track. The quadruplets were baptized to Edward Rigby and Ann, she being Miss Palgrave who had married Edward Rigby in October 1803 at Coltishall, Norfolk which produced twins in 1804 then four single births before the quads in 1817. No sign of Sarah Rigby who I've vaguely estimated to have been born about 1771. I've not been able to find an original image of the Edward Rigby/Ann Palgrave marriage to verify he was widowed by October 1803. Must assume that Sarah Rigby was from an earlier marriage, even though the article says Edward's first children were twins they appear to have been born to his second wife. Edward Rigby's first marriage appears to be to Sarah Dyball in 1769 at Norwich with Sarah being buried April 1803 aged 69 so she would have been about 35 when she married Edward aged about 21. I have only found one child, Mary, bapt. from this marriage in 1773 at Norwich, still no Sarah Rigby. I've not found that Edward Rigby left a will - if he mentioned his ten living children by name to include Sarah as Postle, that would be alternative good evidence of the newspaper article being correct. This is getting rather far away from my Bawtree one-name study but I would rather like to prove the newspaper article's supposed connection between the Bawtrees and Rigbys - via Postles - just need a baptism of Sarah Rigby about 1771 to Edward & Sarah :>) From Merryl Wells of Luton, Beds. E-Mail: [email protected] GOONS Mem. No. 1757 Reg. ONS: Bawtree; Gullick/ock, Moist/Moyst. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick R. L. Dunbar via" <[email protected]> To: "GOONS LIST" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2016 12:33 PM Subject: [G] Over-egged Cousins > I'm struggling to sort out problems such as duplicates and relationships > with my ancient line of Dunbars. Not very exciting, but once in a while > something raises a smile. For instance - > > Sir William Rowe Dunbar (1776-1841) married his cousin Jacobina Anne > Copeland (1776-1807) > > Checked with Relationship Calculator, search within 250 generations > > Husband > 2nd cousin > 1st cousin 3 removed, then 37 relaionships later > 2nd cousin 246 times removed. > > I think I'll stick with husband and second cousin! > > Pat Dunbar

Hi, I'm trying to research an article in the Morning Post 1810's having seen an extract printed decades ago, maybe in Society of Genealogists Journal. The original gives far more information: 15 Aug. 1817. Says the wife of Edward Rigby, M.D. of Norwich had quadruplets of 3 sons & a daughter. Previously he had eight children the two eldest being twins and he is a great-grandfather; at one birth three great-uncles and a great-aunt being the relationship between the above and infant son of Mr. John Bawtree, Junior of Colchester. Goes on to say that Norwich will give 'a piece of plate value 25 guineas' to the couple with the names of the babies inscribed thereon. Finally it relates the deaths of all four babies within a few months of birth. Elsewhere I found Dr. Edward Rigby died 1821 in his 74th year, having married twice and left ten children. Trying to trace the relationship back from a John Bawtree of Colchester to Edward Rigby of Norwich I found a son also born 1817 to Rev. John Bawtree who married 1816 at Colney, Norfolk to Mary Postle. She was born at Colney, Norfolk 1796 to Jehosaphat Postle and Sarah nee Rigby, singlewoman. They had married 1792 at Norwich, Norfolk where an Ipswich newspaper announcement said 'Miss Rigby, daughter of Edward Rigby, Esq.' so I was on the right track. The quadruplets were baptized to Edward Rigby and Ann, she being Miss Palgrave who had married Edward Rigby in October 1803 at Coltishall, Norfolk which produced twins in 1804 then four single births before the quads in 1817. No sign of Sarah Rigby who I've vaguely estimated to have been born about 1771. I've not been able to find an original image of the Edward Rigby/Ann Palgrave marriage to verify he was widowed by October 1803. Must assume that Sarah Rigby was from an earlier marriage, even though the article says Edward's first children were twins they appear to have been born to his second wife. Edward Rigby's first marriage appears to be to Sarah Dyball in 1769 at Norwich with Sarah being buried April 1803 aged 69 so she would have been about 35 when she married Edward aged about 21. I have only found one child, Mary, bapt. from this marriage in 1773 at Norwich, still no Sarah Rigby. I've not found that Edward Rigby left a will - if he mentioned his ten living children by name to include Sarah as Postle, that would be alternative good evidence of the newspaper article being correct. This is getting rather far away from my Bawtree one-name study but I would rather like to prove the newspaper article's supposed connection between the Bawtrees and Rigbys - via Postles - just need a baptism of Sarah Rigby about 1771 to Edward & Sarah :>) From Merryl Wells of Luton, Beds. E-Mail: [email protected] GOONS Mem. No. 1757 Reg. ONS: Bawtree; Gullick/ock, Moist/Moyst. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick R. L. Dunbar via" <[email protected]> To: "GOONS LIST" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2016 12:33 PM Subject: [G] Over-egged Cousins > I'm struggling to sort out problems such as duplicates and relationships > with my ancient line of Dunbars. Not very exciting, but once in a while > something raises a smile. For instance - > > Sir William Rowe Dunbar (1776-1841) married his cousin Jacobina Anne > Copeland (1776-1807) > > Checked with Relationship Calculator, search within 250 generations > > Husband > 2nd cousin > 1st cousin 3 removed, then 37 relaionships later > 2nd cousin 246 times removed. > > I think I'll stick with husband and second cousin! > > Pat Dunbar

Am I being a bit dense here? Is this not what already happens on the FMP search? If so would we not be re-inventing the wheel? Cardinal Points tell the you the exact location and are a unique selling point for the Marriage Locator - I previously called it the Parish Locator by mistake. As the Marriage Locator is a direct interface between us and the general public would it not be a better idea to collect more of them? I have always liked the idea that we could 'adopt' a church and extract data from it, it is something that anyone can do from a local library or study centre. Jennifer Eagle KITCHER 4216 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Peter Copsey via Sent: 04 April 2016 15:56 To: Robert Fowler; Goons Forum Subject: Re: [G] Members Spot Quiz - IMP on the GMI MM ??? Answers Provided 1. IMPs (Inferred Marriage Partners) are explained on p13 of the Jan -March 2016 Journal within the article about the future of the GMI written by Cliff Kemball and Anne Shankland. (not the latest Journal, now being received). 2. The article explains the benefit of including marriages with IMPs in the GMI. In the example given at the top of the second column, if I was researching FROST, I would be very pleased to find this entry in the GMI - it will give me the name of the spouse and possibly the church. 3. As I understand it, all marriages are now searchable, even the ones you have submitted yourself for your own study. This had caused confusion and frustration in the past. A big improvement - thanks Cliff and Anne. 4. The information will come from members who are able to work out IMPs for the other marriage on the same GRO page as their one-name marriage. This means that in about 80% of the marriages after 1851 you will be able to determine the IMPs of the other marriage on that GRO page. The other 20% are accounted for by those pages that only hold one marriage or where there is a GRO or FreeBMD error (and list 3 or 5 names). For marriages before 1852, IMP is a less-useful tool as pages often contain more than two marriages. I am hoping that members will spend some time discovering and listing the IMPs where they can, and sending them to the Marriage Index Coordinator. You need to be familiar with FreeBMD. Care will need to be taken about naming the establishment where the marriage took place. For an Anglican marriage, the IMP marriage would have taken place at the same Anglican church as the known marriage. For a non-anglican marriage, the place of the IMP marriage cannot be identified (except for marriages conducted by an "Authorised Person"). The date of the IMP marriage will not be known, except to say it will be in the same quarter as the known marriage. 5. For Marriage Challenge, if the submitter has been able to find a marriage already listed in the GMI, albeit with IMP, it may well identify the church; obviously a help to the Challenger in finding it in the registers. Regarding 3 or 5 names on one GRO page, always look at the actual GRO entry (click on the spectacles on FreeBMD). I estimate that over half are FreeBMD errors rather than GRO errors. Peter Copsey Member 1522 Marriage Challenge Coordinator -----Original Message----- From: Robert Fowler via Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 7:06 AM To: Goons Forum Subject: [G] Members Spot Quiz - IMP on the GMI MM ??? Answers Provided Hi There has been zero discussion on this Forum about the IMP concept, mentioned in the Mar-Jun Journal 2016. So I have knocked together a quick quiz, for those that do not understand Inferred Marriage Partners. 1. What are IMP marriages? 2. What use are IMP marriages? 3. Will they be searchable on the GMI? 4. Where will the information come from? 5. Can we made it easier for Marriage Challengers? Before the answers, link to an even older article on the subject: http://www.one-name.org/members/journal/articles/vol11-9_Fowler.pdf 1. A simple concept for marriages 1852-1911 where four names are listed, if two are paired the remaining two can also be matched. 2. GMI is the source of all information we know about marriages for new members etc. The more information the better. 3. Not yet but soon, I am advised - but all my IMPs are already submitted. 4. From a detailed study of all Fowler marriages on the GMI, 90%+ currently come from MCs & CPs. 5 Yes Give them the information with your MC submission !!! The Hungerford MC closes on the 9th April, to see my suggestion for editing the standard submissions Excel: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RTLPQUKaVn7wU-hpUp03CxNCVZBoVYPmFRjc bIoAxWw/edit#gid=1878539376 As the meerkat says - "SIMPLE". Why the initiative for this needs to come from me ? - No Idea, any support out there, on am I ploughing a lone furrough? Robert Fowler 5464 PS You can ask the Challenger for help with the odd 3 & 5 name records on FreeBMD !! _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It's open to any member to go through a particular parish and contribute cardinal points. Before I became chairman another member and I started a project to "do" several parishes in Norwich RD. I still have two or three unfinished parishes that I will get to one day! There are now quite a few counties where a large amount of material is already online: http://one-name.org/wiki/guild-wiki/collect/sources-of-documentary-data/sources-for-england-wales/online-parish-register-sources-for-england-and-wales/. However, note that they are not always complete for every registration district. Gaps remain, certainly for Norfolk. The popularity of marriage challenges is dropping, perhaps due to the increase in volume of online data. The GMI feeds straight into the marriage locator database which can be accessed by anyone without a subscription to the large data providers. So producing cardinal points even for these online areas can still be very helpful to the wider genealogical community as well as to other members. Instructions are here, in case anyone is interested: http://one-name.org/members/GMI/CardPointCollect.html. Paul On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 5:46 PM, Steven Whitebread via <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 4/4/2016 7:43 AM, Robert Fowler via wrote: >> A suggested form was provided, comment came there none. > > Hi Robert, > > I tried to view your suggested form - I first had to sign into Google > and then it said that the owner had to grant permission before I could > view it. So far I have not received any permission. > > Steven Whitebread > GoONS #3297 > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Paul Howes Chairman, Guild of One-Name Studies www.one-name.org www.howesfamilies.com Researching House, Howes, Hows, Howse & Howze worldwide

On 4/4/2016 7:43 AM, Robert Fowler via wrote: > A suggested form was provided, comment came there none. Hi Robert, I tried to view your suggested form - I first had to sign into Google and then it said that the owner had to grant permission before I could view it. So far I have not received any permission. Steven Whitebread GoONS #3297

Peter, thanks for the clarification (which was what I had surmised from the article). Shall sit back and await instructions <grin> Ken On 4 April 2016 at 17:25, Peter Copsey <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm just reading what it says in the article in the January Journal; that > the Guild is initiating a project for inferred marriage partners for > uploading into the GMI. It asks us to contact the Marriage Index > Coordinator (Cliff Kemball) if we can assist. Perhaps there will be some > guidance or proforma for submitting IMP marriages before the project gets > fully underway. > > Peter Copsey > Member 1522 > > -----Original Message----- From: Ken Toll > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 4:44 PM > To: Peter Copsey ; Goons mailing list > Cc: Robert Fowler > Subject: Re: [G] Members Spot Quiz - IMP on the GMI MM ??? Answers Provided > > > Hi Peter, > > Many thanks for the update. > > Just for clarity, I presume you are suggesting that not only should we > submit our 'own' marriages, but also those that can be determined by > IMP (Inferred Marriage Partners) on the same page? > > Ken > > On 4 April 2016 at 15:56, Peter Copsey via <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> 1. IMPs (Inferred Marriage Partners) are explained on p13 of the Jan >> -March >> 2016 Journal within the article about the future of the GMI written by >> Cliff >> Kemball and Anne Shankland. (not the latest Journal, now being received). >> >> 2. The article explains the benefit of including marriages with IMPs in >> the >> GMI. In the example given at the top of the second column, if I was >> researching FROST, I would be very pleased to find this entry in the GMI - >> it will give me the name of the spouse and possibly the church. >> >> 3. As I understand it, all marriages are now searchable, even the ones >> you >> have submitted yourself for your own study. This had caused confusion and >> frustration in the past. A big improvement - thanks Cliff and Anne. >> >> 4. The information will come from members who are able to work out IMPs >> for >> the other marriage on the same GRO page as their one-name marriage. This >> means that in about 80% of the marriages after 1851 you will be able to >> determine the IMPs of the other marriage on that GRO page. The other 20% >> are accounted for by those pages that only hold one marriage or where >> there >> is a GRO or FreeBMD error (and list 3 or 5 names). For marriages before >> 1852, IMP is a less-useful tool as pages often contain more than two >> marriages. I am hoping that members will spend some time discovering and >> listing the IMPs where they can, and sending them to the Marriage Index >> Coordinator. You need to be familiar with FreeBMD. >> >> Care will need to be taken about naming the establishment where the >> marriage >> took place. For an Anglican marriage, the IMP marriage would have taken >> place at the same Anglican church as the known marriage. For a >> non-anglican >> marriage, the place of the IMP marriage cannot be identified (except for >> marriages conducted by an "Authorised Person"). >> >> The date of the IMP marriage will not be known, except to say it will be >> in >> the same quarter as the known marriage. >> >> 5. For Marriage Challenge, if the submitter has been able to find a >> marriage already listed in the GMI, albeit with IMP, it may well identify >> the church; obviously a help to the Challenger in finding it in the >> registers. >> >> Regarding 3 or 5 names on one GRO page, always look at the actual GRO >> entry >> (click on the spectacles on FreeBMD). I estimate that over half are >> FreeBMD >> errors rather than GRO errors. >> >> Peter Copsey >> Member 1522 >> Marriage Challenge Coordinator >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Robert Fowler via >> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 7:06 AM >> To: Goons Forum >> Subject: [G] Members Spot Quiz - IMP on the GMI MM ??? Answers Provided >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi >> >> There has been zero discussion on this Forum about the IMP concept, >> mentioned in the Mar-Jun Journal 2016. So I have knocked together a quick >> quiz, for those that do not understand Inferred Marriage Partners. >> >> >> 1. What are IMP marriages? >> >> >> 2. What use are IMP marriages? >> >> >> 3. Will they be searchable on the GMI? >> >> >> 4. Where will the information come from? >> >> >> 5. Can we made it easier for Marriage Challengers? >> >> >> Before the answers, link to an even older article on the subject: >> >> http://www.one-name.org/members/journal/articles/vol11-9_Fowler.pdf >> >> >> 1. A simple concept for marriages 1852-1911 where four names are listed, >> if >> two are paired the remaining two can also be matched. >> >> >> 2. GMI is the source of all information we know about marriages for new >> members etc. The more information the better. >> >> >> 3. Not yet but soon, I am advised - but all my IMPs are already >> submitted. >> >> >> 4. From a detailed study of all Fowler marriages on the GMI, 90%+ >> currently >> come from MCs & CPs. >> >> >> 5 Yes Give them the information with your MC submission !!! >> >> >> The Hungerford MC closes on the 9th April, to see my suggestion for >> editing >> the standard submissions Excel: >> >> >> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RTLPQUKaVn7wU-hpUp03CxNCVZBoVYPmFRjcbIoAxWw/edit#gid=1878539376 >> >> >> As the meerkat says - "SIMPLE". >> >> >> >> >> >> Why the initiative for this needs to come from me ? - No Idea, any >> support out there, on am I ploughing a lone furrough? >> >> >> >> Robert Fowler 5464 >> >> >> >> PS You can ask the Challenger for help with the odd 3 & 5 name >> records on FreeBMD !! >> _____________________________________________ >> >> RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: >> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in >> the subject and the body of the message >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: >> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >> the subject and the body of the message > >

I'm just reading what it says in the article in the January Journal; that the Guild is initiating a project for inferred marriage partners for uploading into the GMI. It asks us to contact the Marriage Index Coordinator (Cliff Kemball) if we can assist. Perhaps there will be some guidance or proforma for submitting IMP marriages before the project gets fully underway. Peter Copsey Member 1522 -----Original Message----- From: Ken Toll Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 4:44 PM To: Peter Copsey ; Goons mailing list Cc: Robert Fowler Subject: Re: [G] Members Spot Quiz - IMP on the GMI MM ??? Answers Provided Hi Peter, Many thanks for the update. Just for clarity, I presume you are suggesting that not only should we submit our 'own' marriages, but also those that can be determined by IMP (Inferred Marriage Partners) on the same page? Ken On 4 April 2016 at 15:56, Peter Copsey via <[email protected]> wrote: > 1. IMPs (Inferred Marriage Partners) are explained on p13 of the > Jan -March > 2016 Journal within the article about the future of the GMI written by > Cliff > Kemball and Anne Shankland. (not the latest Journal, now being received). > > 2. The article explains the benefit of including marriages with IMPs in > the > GMI. In the example given at the top of the second column, if I was > researching FROST, I would be very pleased to find this entry in the GMI - > it will give me the name of the spouse and possibly the church. > > 3. As I understand it, all marriages are now searchable, even the ones > you > have submitted yourself for your own study. This had caused confusion and > frustration in the past. A big improvement - thanks Cliff and Anne. > > 4. The information will come from members who are able to work out IMPs > for > the other marriage on the same GRO page as their one-name marriage. This > means that in about 80% of the marriages after 1851 you will be able to > determine the IMPs of the other marriage on that GRO page. The other 20% > are accounted for by those pages that only hold one marriage or where > there > is a GRO or FreeBMD error (and list 3 or 5 names). For marriages before > 1852, IMP is a less-useful tool as pages often contain more than two > marriages. I am hoping that members will spend some time discovering and > listing the IMPs where they can, and sending them to the Marriage Index > Coordinator. You need to be familiar with FreeBMD. > > Care will need to be taken about naming the establishment where the > marriage > took place. For an Anglican marriage, the IMP marriage would have taken > place at the same Anglican church as the known marriage. For a > non-anglican > marriage, the place of the IMP marriage cannot be identified (except for > marriages conducted by an "Authorised Person"). > > The date of the IMP marriage will not be known, except to say it will be > in > the same quarter as the known marriage. > > 5. For Marriage Challenge, if the submitter has been able to find a > marriage already listed in the GMI, albeit with IMP, it may well identify > the church; obviously a help to the Challenger in finding it in the > registers. > > Regarding 3 or 5 names on one GRO page, always look at the actual GRO > entry > (click on the spectacles on FreeBMD). I estimate that over half are > FreeBMD > errors rather than GRO errors. > > Peter Copsey > Member 1522 > Marriage Challenge Coordinator > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Fowler via > Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 7:06 AM > To: Goons Forum > Subject: [G] Members Spot Quiz - IMP on the GMI MM ??? Answers Provided > > > > > > Hi > > There has been zero discussion on this Forum about the IMP concept, > mentioned in the Mar-Jun Journal 2016. So I have knocked together a quick > quiz, for those that do not understand Inferred Marriage Partners. > > > 1. What are IMP marriages? > > > 2. What use are IMP marriages? > > > 3. Will they be searchable on the GMI? > > > 4. Where will the information come from? > > > 5. Can we made it easier for Marriage Challengers? > > > Before the answers, link to an even older article on the subject: > > http://www.one-name.org/members/journal/articles/vol11-9_Fowler.pdf > > > 1. A simple concept for marriages 1852-1911 where four names are listed, > if > two are paired the remaining two can also be matched. > > > 2. GMI is the source of all information we know about marriages for new > members etc. The more information the better. > > > 3. Not yet but soon, I am advised - but all my IMPs are already > submitted. > > > 4. From a detailed study of all Fowler marriages on the GMI, 90%+ > currently > come from MCs & CPs. > > > 5 Yes Give them the information with your MC submission !!! > > > The Hungerford MC closes on the 9th April, to see my suggestion for > editing > the standard submissions Excel: > > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RTLPQUKaVn7wU-hpUp03CxNCVZBoVYPmFRjcbIoAxWw/edit#gid=1878539376 > > > As the meerkat says - "SIMPLE". > > > > > > Why the initiative for this needs to come from me ? - No Idea, any > support out there, on am I ploughing a lone furrough? > > > > Robert Fowler 5464 > > > > PS You can ask the Challenger for help with the odd 3 & 5 name > records on FreeBMD !! > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Peter, Many thanks for the update. Just for clarity, I presume you are suggesting that not only should we submit our 'own' marriages, but also those that can be determined by IMP (Inferred Marriage Partners) on the same page? Ken On 4 April 2016 at 15:56, Peter Copsey via <[email protected]> wrote: > 1. IMPs (Inferred Marriage Partners) are explained on p13 of the Jan -March > 2016 Journal within the article about the future of the GMI written by Cliff > Kemball and Anne Shankland. (not the latest Journal, now being received). > > 2. The article explains the benefit of including marriages with IMPs in the > GMI. In the example given at the top of the second column, if I was > researching FROST, I would be very pleased to find this entry in the GMI - > it will give me the name of the spouse and possibly the church. > > 3. As I understand it, all marriages are now searchable, even the ones you > have submitted yourself for your own study. This had caused confusion and > frustration in the past. A big improvement - thanks Cliff and Anne. > > 4. The information will come from members who are able to work out IMPs for > the other marriage on the same GRO page as their one-name marriage. This > means that in about 80% of the marriages after 1851 you will be able to > determine the IMPs of the other marriage on that GRO page. The other 20% > are accounted for by those pages that only hold one marriage or where there > is a GRO or FreeBMD error (and list 3 or 5 names). For marriages before > 1852, IMP is a less-useful tool as pages often contain more than two > marriages. I am hoping that members will spend some time discovering and > listing the IMPs where they can, and sending them to the Marriage Index > Coordinator. You need to be familiar with FreeBMD. > > Care will need to be taken about naming the establishment where the marriage > took place. For an Anglican marriage, the IMP marriage would have taken > place at the same Anglican church as the known marriage. For a non-anglican > marriage, the place of the IMP marriage cannot be identified (except for > marriages conducted by an "Authorised Person"). > > The date of the IMP marriage will not be known, except to say it will be in > the same quarter as the known marriage. > > 5. For Marriage Challenge, if the submitter has been able to find a > marriage already listed in the GMI, albeit with IMP, it may well identify > the church; obviously a help to the Challenger in finding it in the > registers. > > Regarding 3 or 5 names on one GRO page, always look at the actual GRO entry > (click on the spectacles on FreeBMD). I estimate that over half are FreeBMD > errors rather than GRO errors. > > Peter Copsey > Member 1522 > Marriage Challenge Coordinator > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Fowler via > Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 7:06 AM > To: Goons Forum > Subject: [G] Members Spot Quiz - IMP on the GMI MM ??? Answers Provided > > > > > > Hi > > There has been zero discussion on this Forum about the IMP concept, > mentioned in the Mar-Jun Journal 2016. So I have knocked together a quick > quiz, for those that do not understand Inferred Marriage Partners. > > > 1. What are IMP marriages? > > > 2. What use are IMP marriages? > > > 3. Will they be searchable on the GMI? > > > 4. Where will the information come from? > > > 5. Can we made it easier for Marriage Challengers? > > > Before the answers, link to an even older article on the subject: > > http://www.one-name.org/members/journal/articles/vol11-9_Fowler.pdf > > > 1. A simple concept for marriages 1852-1911 where four names are listed, if > two are paired the remaining two can also be matched. > > > 2. GMI is the source of all information we know about marriages for new > members etc. The more information the better. > > > 3. Not yet but soon, I am advised - but all my IMPs are already submitted. > > > 4. From a detailed study of all Fowler marriages on the GMI, 90%+ currently > come from MCs & CPs. > > > 5 Yes Give them the information with your MC submission !!! > > > The Hungerford MC closes on the 9th April, to see my suggestion for editing > the standard submissions Excel: > > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RTLPQUKaVn7wU-hpUp03CxNCVZBoVYPmFRjcbIoAxWw/edit#gid=1878539376 > > > As the meerkat says - "SIMPLE". > > > > > > Why the initiative for this needs to come from me ? - No Idea, any > support out there, on am I ploughing a lone furrough? > > > > Robert Fowler 5464 > > > > PS You can ask the Challenger for help with the odd 3 & 5 name > records on FreeBMD !! > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

1. IMPs (Inferred Marriage Partners) are explained on p13 of the Jan -March 2016 Journal within the article about the future of the GMI written by Cliff Kemball and Anne Shankland. (not the latest Journal, now being received). 2. The article explains the benefit of including marriages with IMPs in the GMI. In the example given at the top of the second column, if I was researching FROST, I would be very pleased to find this entry in the GMI - it will give me the name of the spouse and possibly the church. 3. As I understand it, all marriages are now searchable, even the ones you have submitted yourself for your own study. This had caused confusion and frustration in the past. A big improvement - thanks Cliff and Anne. 4. The information will come from members who are able to work out IMPs for the other marriage on the same GRO page as their one-name marriage. This means that in about 80% of the marriages after 1851 you will be able to determine the IMPs of the other marriage on that GRO page. The other 20% are accounted for by those pages that only hold one marriage or where there is a GRO or FreeBMD error (and list 3 or 5 names). For marriages before 1852, IMP is a less-useful tool as pages often contain more than two marriages. I am hoping that members will spend some time discovering and listing the IMPs where they can, and sending them to the Marriage Index Coordinator. You need to be familiar with FreeBMD. Care will need to be taken about naming the establishment where the marriage took place. For an Anglican marriage, the IMP marriage would have taken place at the same Anglican church as the known marriage. For a non-anglican marriage, the place of the IMP marriage cannot be identified (except for marriages conducted by an "Authorised Person"). The date of the IMP marriage will not be known, except to say it will be in the same quarter as the known marriage. 5. For Marriage Challenge, if the submitter has been able to find a marriage already listed in the GMI, albeit with IMP, it may well identify the church; obviously a help to the Challenger in finding it in the registers. Regarding 3 or 5 names on one GRO page, always look at the actual GRO entry (click on the spectacles on FreeBMD). I estimate that over half are FreeBMD errors rather than GRO errors. Peter Copsey Member 1522 Marriage Challenge Coordinator -----Original Message----- From: Robert Fowler via Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 7:06 AM To: Goons Forum Subject: [G] Members Spot Quiz - IMP on the GMI MM ??? Answers Provided Hi There has been zero discussion on this Forum about the IMP concept, mentioned in the Mar-Jun Journal 2016. So I have knocked together a quick quiz, for those that do not understand Inferred Marriage Partners. 1. What are IMP marriages? 2. What use are IMP marriages? 3. Will they be searchable on the GMI? 4. Where will the information come from? 5. Can we made it easier for Marriage Challengers? Before the answers, link to an even older article on the subject: http://www.one-name.org/members/journal/articles/vol11-9_Fowler.pdf 1. A simple concept for marriages 1852-1911 where four names are listed, if two are paired the remaining two can also be matched. 2. GMI is the source of all information we know about marriages for new members etc. The more information the better. 3. Not yet but soon, I am advised - but all my IMPs are already submitted. 4. From a detailed study of all Fowler marriages on the GMI, 90%+ currently come from MCs & CPs. 5 Yes Give them the information with your MC submission !!! The Hungerford MC closes on the 9th April, to see my suggestion for editing the standard submissions Excel: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RTLPQUKaVn7wU-hpUp03CxNCVZBoVYPmFRjcbIoAxWw/edit#gid=1878539376 As the meerkat says - "SIMPLE". Why the initiative for this needs to come from me ? - No Idea, any support out there, on am I ploughing a lone furrough? Robert Fowler 5464 PS You can ask the Challenger for help with the odd 3 & 5 name records on FreeBMD !! _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I couldn't obviously see it either? Alan Moorhouse [email protected] ----Original message---- >From : [email protected] Date : 04/04/2016 - 11:55 (GMTDT) To : [email protected] Subject : [G] Members Spot Quiz - IMP on the GMI MM ??? Answers Provided I read the journal and don't seem to be able to find a reference to IMP. Ian S Vicary Worldwide Vicary Vickery One-Name Study including Vickary, Viccary and Vicarey www.one-name.org/profiles/vicary.html http://vicaryone-namestudy.blogspot.com DNA study http:/www.familytreedna.com/public/vicary -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Anne Shankland via Sent: 03 April 2016 12:49 To: 'Jennifer Eagle'; [email protected] Subject: Re: [G] Members Spot Quiz - IMP on the GMI MM ??? Answers Provided Jennifer, by "Parish Locator" did you mean the "Marriage Locator" - the website which, given the GRO details of year, quarter, volume, and page, tells you where the marriage took place? This is still going strong at www.marriage-locator.co.uk, as a Guild service available to the general public. It derives its data from the GMI, from "marriage points" which identify locations as well as from "cardinal points", and gets updated regularly from the updates made to the GMI. Currently the website says that the Database has "613,844 marriage-locator points (of which 327,679 are 'cardinal points') in 1,336 Registration Districts." (And it's mentioned in the latest Journal - page 8!) Anne Shankland Guild Web Indexes Administrator -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jennifer Eagle via Sent: 03 April 2016 11:08 To: 'Robert Fowler' <[email protected]>; [email protected] Subject: Re: [G] Members Spot Quiz - IMP on the GMI MM ??? Answers Provided Hi Robert Magazine only just arrived and I have not yet had the time to read it. Like Polly I have been using this as a guide for a very long time, did not feel the need to shout about it as it would appear to be obvious, but sometimes what is staring us in the face is exactly what we miss. I love Cardinal Points, with the aid of the CPs submitted by all those likeminded souls not only can you see the inferred marriage partner but the place that the union took place. I often wonder what is happening to the Parish Locator, I have collected many CPs and I use them regularly to help me find locations. Jennifer Eagle KITCHER 4216 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Robert Fowler via Sent: 03 April 2016 07:06 To: Goons Forum Subject: [G] Members Spot Quiz - IMP on the GMI MM ??? Answers Provided Hi There has been zero discussion on this Forum about the IMP concept, mentioned in the Mar-Jun Journal 2016. So I have knocked together a quick quiz, for those that do not understand Inferred Marriage Partners. 1. What are IMP marriages? 2. What use are IMP marriages? 3. Will they be searchable on the GMI? 4. Where will the information come from? 5. Can we made it easier for Marriage Challengers? Before the answers, link to an even older article on the subject: http://www.one-name.org/members/journal/articles/vol11-9_Fowler.pdf 1. A simple concept for marriages 1852-1911 where four names are listed, if two are paired the remaining two can also be matched. 2. GMI is the source of all information we know about marriages for new members etc. The more information the better. 3. Not yet but soon, I am advised - but all my IMPs are already submitted. 4. From a detailed study of all Fowler marriages on the GMI, 90%+ currently come from MCs & CPs. 5 Yes Give them the information with your MC submission !!! The Hungerford MC closes on the 9th April, to see my suggestion for editing the standard submissions Excel: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RTLPQUKaVn7wU-hpUp03CxNCVZBoVYPmFRjc bIoAxWw/edit#gid=1878539376 As the meerkat says - "SIMPLE". Why the initiative for this needs to come from me ? - No Idea, any support out there, on am I ploughing a lone furrough? Robert Fowler 5464 PS You can ask the Challenger for help with the odd 3 & 5 name records on FreeBMD !! _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I read the journal and don't seem to be able to find a reference to IMP. Ian S Vicary Worldwide Vicary Vickery One-Name Study including Vickary, Viccary and Vicarey www.one-name.org/profiles/vicary.html http://vicaryone-namestudy.blogspot.com DNA study http:/www.familytreedna.com/public/vicary -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Anne Shankland via Sent: 03 April 2016 12:49 To: 'Jennifer Eagle'; [email protected] Subject: Re: [G] Members Spot Quiz - IMP on the GMI MM ??? Answers Provided Jennifer, by "Parish Locator" did you mean the "Marriage Locator" - the website which, given the GRO details of year, quarter, volume, and page, tells you where the marriage took place? This is still going strong at www.marriage-locator.co.uk, as a Guild service available to the general public. It derives its data from the GMI, from "marriage points" which identify locations as well as from "cardinal points", and gets updated regularly from the updates made to the GMI. Currently the website says that the Database has "613,844 marriage-locator points (of which 327,679 are 'cardinal points') in 1,336 Registration Districts." (And it's mentioned in the latest Journal - page 8!) Anne Shankland Guild Web Indexes Administrator -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jennifer Eagle via Sent: 03 April 2016 11:08 To: 'Robert Fowler' <[email protected]>; [email protected] Subject: Re: [G] Members Spot Quiz - IMP on the GMI MM ??? Answers Provided Hi Robert Magazine only just arrived and I have not yet had the time to read it. Like Polly I have been using this as a guide for a very long time, did not feel the need to shout about it as it would appear to be obvious, but sometimes what is staring us in the face is exactly what we miss. I love Cardinal Points, with the aid of the CPs submitted by all those likeminded souls not only can you see the inferred marriage partner but the place that the union took place. I often wonder what is happening to the Parish Locator, I have collected many CPs and I use them regularly to help me find locations. Jennifer Eagle KITCHER 4216 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Robert Fowler via Sent: 03 April 2016 07:06 To: Goons Forum Subject: [G] Members Spot Quiz - IMP on the GMI MM ??? Answers Provided Hi There has been zero discussion on this Forum about the IMP concept, mentioned in the Mar-Jun Journal 2016. So I have knocked together a quick quiz, for those that do not understand Inferred Marriage Partners. 1. What are IMP marriages? 2. What use are IMP marriages? 3. Will they be searchable on the GMI? 4. Where will the information come from? 5. Can we made it easier for Marriage Challengers? Before the answers, link to an even older article on the subject: http://www.one-name.org/members/journal/articles/vol11-9_Fowler.pdf 1. A simple concept for marriages 1852-1911 where four names are listed, if two are paired the remaining two can also be matched. 2. GMI is the source of all information we know about marriages for new members etc. The more information the better. 3. Not yet but soon, I am advised - but all my IMPs are already submitted. 4. From a detailed study of all Fowler marriages on the GMI, 90%+ currently come from MCs & CPs. 5 Yes Give them the information with your MC submission !!! The Hungerford MC closes on the 9th April, to see my suggestion for editing the standard submissions Excel: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RTLPQUKaVn7wU-hpUp03CxNCVZBoVYPmFRjc bIoAxWw/edit#gid=1878539376 As the meerkat says - "SIMPLE". Why the initiative for this needs to come from me ? - No Idea, any support out there, on am I ploughing a lone furrough? Robert Fowler 5464 PS You can ask the Challenger for help with the odd 3 & 5 name records on FreeBMD !! _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi The GMI article is on page 12/13 of the Jan/Mar Journal. I should have asked a direct question rather than beat about the bush. Do we want IMP names on the GMI? If so where are they going to come from? Since we members do not submit 90%+ of the information on the GMI, surely we must tailor future MCs to find them. A suggested form was provided, comment came there none. Thanks to all those who answered many other questions. Robert Fowler

Agree with everything Polly says but I also use A* trees to determine couples, in some cases it will eliminate several of the couples in the earlier period when you get 4 to the page. I had a problem just last week where the name I wanted was the only entry! An A* tree had a spouses' name but searching on that name produced 5 results. The Vol No was 81 in the single case but 881 in the 5 Shirley Forster WSFHS Farnham Co-ordinator ELWICK Web Page: www.elwick.info Pirbright Web Page: www.pirbright.info -------------------------------------------------- From: "Polly Rubery via" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 8:36 AM To: "Robert Fowler" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [G] Members Spot Quiz - IMP on the GMI MM ??? Answers Provided > Hi Robert > > You are certainly not ploughing a lone furrow as I have been using this > process for many years (but haven't yet had time to read the latest > edition > of JOONS (which only came yesterday morning so have no idea what it says > there). It is often easy to identify the "other parties" via the census > or > online marriage information. When it fails of course is if the two > possible > wives share the same forename, but even the census may help with sorting > them out. > > But I have a question for you? What is wrong with the same process for > the > 1837-1852 marriages? True you have eight people to deal with instead of > only four, but if there is only one spouse with the correct forename, it > is > no harder to use! > > The main reason people do not use it is that they are unaware of the > simple > matter of querying the FreeBMD results for all the marriages on the same > page.....(click on the page number!). Mind you some poeple still seem to > be > unaware of FreeBMD itself! > > As to the "3 or 5" results that you mention, many are down to > hard/impossible to read page numbers in the GRO index (this was true even > of > some parts of the actual pages in the on the shelf early > hand-writtenvolumes, where much useage had worn the ink off the velum), > and > so checking all the results for that quarter and Registration District may > well supply possibilities or corrections to adjust them to the correct 4. > But sometimes 5 (or even more) will reflect a marriage partner who is > known > by two different surnames for various reasons. > Kind regards > Polly > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Fowler via" <[email protected]> > To: "Goons Forum" <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 7:06 AM > Subject: [G] Members Spot Quiz - IMP on the GMI MM ??? Answers Provided > > > > > > > Hi > > There has been zero discussion on this Forum about the IMP concept, > mentioned in the Mar-Jun Journal 2016. So I have knocked together a quick > quiz, for those that do not understand Inferred Marriage Partners. > > > 1. What are IMP marriages? > > > 2. What use are IMP marriages? > > > 3. Will they be searchable on the GMI? > > > 4. Where will the information come from? > > > 5. Can we made it easier for Marriage Challengers? > > > Before the answers, link to an even older article on the subject: > > http://www.one-name.org/members/journal/articles/vol11-9_Fowler.pdf > > > 1. A simple concept for marriages 1852-1911 where four names are listed, > if > two are paired the remaining two can also be matched. > > > 2. GMI is the source of all information we know about marriages for new > members etc. The more information the better. > > > 3. Not yet but soon, I am advised - but all my IMPs are already > submitted. > > > 4. From a detailed study of all Fowler marriages on the GMI, 90%+ > currently > come from MCs & CPs. > > > 5 Yes Give them the information with your MC submission !!! > > > The Hungerford MC closes on the 9th April, to see my suggestion for > editing > the standard submissions Excel: > > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RTLPQUKaVn7wU-hpUp03CxNCVZBoVYPmFRjcbIoAxWw/edit#gid=1878539376 > > > As the meerkat says - "SIMPLE". > > > > > > Why the initiative for this needs to come from me ? - No Idea, any > support out there, on am I ploughing a lone furrough? > > > > Robert Fowler 5464 > > > > PS You can ask the Challenger for help with the odd 3 & 5 name > records on FreeBMD !! > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Officer, Visitor,Servant, Patient, Inmate See FMP: http://www.findmypast.co.uk/frequently-asked-questions/answer/what-information-is-listed-in-the--register Adrian On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 12:25 AM, NIKKI BROWN via <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi > I have a Pullum on the 1939 register who is at Queen Mary's hospital in > Chiselhurst > There is a column between the names and gender columns (which up to now > has contained a dash) headed "O,V,S,P or I" > The "P"s on that page as occupation are recorded as "incapacitated" so I > assume the P is for patient > My Pullum is an "O" with the occupation "hospital nurse" > Does anyone know what the initials at the top of this column stand for > Thank you > -- > Nikki Brown > #6552 > Pullum ONS > https://pullumons.wordpress.com > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Nikki If you go into the advanced search you will see a link at the top which says "learn more" which explains everything. Which is actually all below the advanced search screen. Always used to tell my students to look underneath the screen as it often contains the useful stuff Regards John Hanson Researcher, The Halsted Trust Website - www.halstedresearch.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of NIKKI BROWN via Sent: 04 April 2016 00:26 To: [email protected] Subject: [G] 1939 register column Hi I have a Pullum on the 1939 register who is at Queen Mary's hospital in Chiselhurst There is a column between the names and gender columns (which up to now has contained a dash) headed "O,V,S,P or I" The "P"s on that page as occupation are recorded as "incapacitated" so I assume the P is for patient My Pullum is an "O" with the occupation "hospital nurse" Does anyone know what the initials at the top of this column stand for Thank you -- Nikki Brown #6552 Pullum ONS https://pullumons.wordpress.com _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a few Durham featherstones in my main family tree, it is usher on ancestry, if you are on that, if not, let me know and I will pass on details Chris U > On 28 Mar 2016, at 12:00, W. Paul Featherstone via <[email protected]> wrote: > > I expected to find a lot of Featherstone's since Co. Durham is a hot > bed of the surname, I was not wrong 39 entries, in at least 3 instances > the name being used as a Christian or first name. > But to uncover that many birth dates in a single search a very useful > source. > > Paul 2627 > Featherstone and variants worldwide. > >> On 27/03/2016 15:01, Adrian Abbott via wrote: >> Thanks to the Lost Cousins monthly newsletter I found today that the >> Home Guard Records for County Durham are searchable on line at the >> National Archives: >> >> http://nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/durham-home-guard-records-1939-1945/ >> >> Currently these are apparently the only county to be covered. You can >> see the name and date of birth on the index; to see the actual record >> by download costs £3.45 each. I found 8 possible ONS entries and >> downloaded two of particular interest, because they were people I >> hadn't found in the 1939 Register. As a result I now have found >> another two Households in the 1939 Register which had been either >> mistranscribed, or in one case it seems a complete page escaped being >> transcribed. >> >> The download gives you: Name, Date of Birth, Birthplace (but not >> always because the pro-forma changed), are you a British subject?, >> Nationality of Parents at birth, Name and address of next of kin, >> boxes to tick on understanding what you are committed to, service and >> discharge dates and there is a space for things like special merit. I >> would think it is only worth the download if you are particularly >> interested in next of kin, which is what gave me the clues to find >> entries in 1939. >> >> Adrian >> >> _____________________________________________ > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi I have a Pullum on the 1939 register who is at Queen Mary's hospital in Chiselhurst There is a column between the names and gender columns (which up to now has contained a dash) headed "O,V,S,P or I" The "P"s on that page as occupation are recorded as "incapacitated" so I assume the P is for patient My Pullum is an "O" with the occupation "hospital nurse" Does anyone know what the initials at the top of this column stand for Thank you -- Nikki Brown #6552 Pullum ONS https://pullumons.wordpress.com

Jennifer, by "Parish Locator" did you mean the "Marriage Locator" - the website which, given the GRO details of year, quarter, volume, and page, tells you where the marriage took place? This is still going strong at www.marriage-locator.co.uk, as a Guild service available to the general public. It derives its data from the GMI, from "marriage points" which identify locations as well as from "cardinal points", and gets updated regularly from the updates made to the GMI. Currently the website says that the Database has "613,844 marriage-locator points (of which 327,679 are 'cardinal points') in 1,336 Registration Districts." (And it's mentioned in the latest Journal - page 8!) Anne Shankland Guild Web Indexes Administrator -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jennifer Eagle via Sent: 03 April 2016 11:08 To: 'Robert Fowler' <[email protected]>; [email protected] Subject: Re: [G] Members Spot Quiz - IMP on the GMI MM ??? Answers Provided Hi Robert Magazine only just arrived and I have not yet had the time to read it. Like Polly I have been using this as a guide for a very long time, did not feel the need to shout about it as it would appear to be obvious, but sometimes what is staring us in the face is exactly what we miss. I love Cardinal Points, with the aid of the CPs submitted by all those likeminded souls not only can you see the inferred marriage partner but the place that the union took place. I often wonder what is happening to the Parish Locator, I have collected many CPs and I use them regularly to help me find locations. Jennifer Eagle KITCHER 4216 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Robert Fowler via Sent: 03 April 2016 07:06 To: Goons Forum Subject: [G] Members Spot Quiz - IMP on the GMI MM ??? Answers Provided Hi There has been zero discussion on this Forum about the IMP concept, mentioned in the Mar-Jun Journal 2016. So I have knocked together a quick quiz, for those that do not understand Inferred Marriage Partners. 1. What are IMP marriages? 2. What use are IMP marriages? 3. Will they be searchable on the GMI? 4. Where will the information come from? 5. Can we made it easier for Marriage Challengers? Before the answers, link to an even older article on the subject: http://www.one-name.org/members/journal/articles/vol11-9_Fowler.pdf 1. A simple concept for marriages 1852-1911 where four names are listed, if two are paired the remaining two can also be matched. 2. GMI is the source of all information we know about marriages for new members etc. The more information the better. 3. Not yet but soon, I am advised - but all my IMPs are already submitted. 4. From a detailed study of all Fowler marriages on the GMI, 90%+ currently come from MCs & CPs. 5 Yes Give them the information with your MC submission !!! The Hungerford MC closes on the 9th April, to see my suggestion for editing the standard submissions Excel: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RTLPQUKaVn7wU-hpUp03CxNCVZBoVYPmFRjc bIoAxWw/edit#gid=1878539376 As the meerkat says - "SIMPLE". Why the initiative for this needs to come from me ? - No Idea, any support out there, on am I ploughing a lone furrough? Robert Fowler 5464 PS You can ask the Challenger for help with the odd 3 & 5 name records on FreeBMD !! _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Robert I assume that you have already explored all of the options available in the Local BMD projects? These list not only the person marrying but also the name of the church. Have a look at www.UKBMD.org.uk/local_bmd - it may well save you a lot more work. The subject was covered by Ian Hartas at the seminar in Preston in 2015 Regards John Hanson Researcher, The Halsted Trust Website - www.halstedresearch.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Robert Fowler via Sent: 03 April 2016 07:06 To: Goons Forum Subject: [G] Members Spot Quiz - IMP on the GMI MM ??? Answers Provided Hi There has been zero discussion on this Forum about the IMP concept, mentioned in the Mar-Jun Journal 2016. So I have knocked together a quick quiz, for those that do not understand Inferred Marriage Partners. 1. What are IMP marriages? 2. What use are IMP marriages? 3. Will they be searchable on the GMI? 4. Where will the information come from? 5. Can we made it easier for Marriage Challengers? Before the answers, link to an even older article on the subject: http://www.one-name.org/members/journal/articles/vol11-9_Fowler.pdf 1. A simple concept for marriages 1852-1911 where four names are listed, if two are paired the remaining two can also be matched. 2. GMI is the source of all information we know about marriages for new members etc. The more information the better. 3. Not yet but soon, I am advised - but all my IMPs are already submitted. 4. From a detailed study of all Fowler marriages on the GMI, 90%+ currently come from MCs & CPs. 5 Yes Give them the information with your MC submission !!! The Hungerford MC closes on the 9th April, to see my suggestion for editing the standard submissions Excel: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RTLPQUKaVn7wU-hpUp03CxNCVZBoVYPmFRjc bIoAxWw/edit#gid=1878539376 As the meerkat says - "SIMPLE". Why the initiative for this needs to come from me ? - No Idea, any support out there, on am I ploughing a lone furrough? Robert Fowler 5464 PS You can ask the Challenger for help with the odd 3 & 5 name records on FreeBMD !! _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message