Hi Garry You would probably benefit from testing at AncestryDNA as well as Family Tree DNA. AncestryDNA now have the largest autosomal DNA database, and they've tested nearly two million people. The downside is that their database is very US-oriented as their test was sold exclusively in the US for three years before being made available in selected other countries. Their test only became available in the UK in January 2015, and was rolled out to Australia, New Zealand and Canada later in the year. However, sales seem to be going well and they were doing a roaring trade at Who Do You Think You Are? Live this year. Ancestry have done a good job of integrating the DNA results with the family trees, and they also have a very good DNA Circles feature. They've invested more in the science than the other companies, and produce more accurate matches. However, they don't provide a lot of features that many of us like to use to analyse our results such as a chromosome browser which gives you a visual representation of your matches. The other downside of Ancestry is that you need to maintain an Ancestry subscription to access many of the features which can become an expensive proposition. GedMatch is a useful website for comparing results from all three testing companies (23andMe, AncestryDNA and Family Tree DNA) but only a small proportion of testers upload their results on GedMatch. They haven't recently published the size of their database but were quoting a figure of 110,000 back in November 2015. AncestryDNA and Family Tree DNA both use the same Illumina chip so it makes little difference which test you upload to GedMatch. There's also a new free website called DNA.Land where you can upload your raw data and contribute to science at the same time: https://dna.land/ DNA.Land provide free admixture reports and they also have a relative finder feature, but it's only been going a few months so it will take time for their database to reach critical mass. DNA.Land have a blog with further information: https://medium.com/@dl1dl1 Best wishes Debbie Kennett

Where can I get one of the DNA kits Bob Allard / 5948 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] ; Euridge One-Name Study via Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 8:35 AM To: 'Garry F Bell' ; [email protected] Subject: Re: [G] FTDNA vs Ancestry Hi Garry The Guild's DNA team have put together a comparison, available in the Members section of the Guild website. See http://one-name.org/autosomal-dna-testing/. Last week, I uploaded my own Family Finder kit to GEDMatch. I am still reeling with the number of matches. Teresa Pask née Euridge DNA Kit Coordinator for the Guild of One-Name Studies Member 293 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Garry F Bell via Sent: 21 April 2016 23:08 To: [email protected] Subject: [G] FTDNA vs Ancestry Hi Folks I's sorry if this has been discussed before. I have tested with FTDNA Family Finder (and Y-111). Am I going to gain anything if I now test with Ancestry; i.e. more matches etc? Or will something like GedMatch be the way to go? With thanks Garry _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As Regiment of Foot Guards was disbanded in 1763 (according to the quoted website)... ...It is unlikely to be Major Joseph Cameron Dunbar's Regiment in 1920. I'm still at a loss to explain the abbreviation - it isn't in any of my books :<( Kind Regards, Ken On 22 April 2016 at 12:06, Malcolm Austen via <[email protected]> wrote: > On Wed, 20 Apr 2016 01:50:59 +0100, Patrick R. L. Dunbar via > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Brian, I can find no trace of a unit calling itself a regiment of foot >> guards, except for the Polish one I mentioned in my original posting. I >> have never seen 'Guards' as part of the 79th's title. Incidentally they >> were resurrected and disbanded more than once after 1757. Although >> originally raised in Colchester, it later became a Scottish regiment >> with a variety of titles - 79th. Regiment of Foot (Cameronian >> Volunteers) and the Queen's Own Cameron Highlanders are two of them. > > I have found this web page using RFG for Regiment of Foot Guards: > > https://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php?topic=257125.0 > > Not that I can vouch for it being authentic historic usage :-) > > Malcolm. > > -- > Malcolm Austen <[email protected]> > GENUKI trustee <[email protected]> > Pedigree User Group <[email protected]> > Oxfordshire FHS <[email protected]> or <[email protected]> > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That is great news! On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 3:39 PM, Peter Copsey via <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Some good news received via the Federation and from the Devon FHS, thanks to Maureen Selley; that the North Devon Record Office has been saved from closure. A formal agreement is expected to be signed later this month. > > For fuller information see http://www.northdevonjournal.co.uk/North-Devon-Record-Office-saved-closure/story-29130614-detail/story.html > > Posted by Peter Copsey > Your Federation Rep. > > > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- sarah

Hello everyone, Some good news received via the Federation and from the Devon FHS, thanks to Maureen Selley; that the North Devon Record Office has been saved from closure. A formal agreement is expected to be signed later this month. For fuller information see http://www.northdevonjournal.co.uk/North-Devon-Record-Office-saved-closure/story-29130614-detail/story.html Posted by Peter Copsey Your Federation Rep.

Hi Garry The Guild's DNA team have put together a comparison, available in the Members section of the Guild website. See http://one-name.org/autosomal-dna-testing/. Last week, I uploaded my own Family Finder kit to GEDMatch. I am still reeling with the number of matches. Teresa Pask née Euridge DNA Kit Coordinator for the Guild of One-Name Studies Member 293 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Garry F Bell via Sent: 21 April 2016 23:08 To: [email protected] Subject: [G] FTDNA vs Ancestry Hi Folks I's sorry if this has been discussed before. I have tested with FTDNA Family Finder (and Y-111). Am I going to gain anything if I now test with Ancestry; i.e. more matches etc? Or will something like GedMatch be the way to go? With thanks Garry _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Wed, 20 Apr 2016 01:50:59 +0100, Patrick R. L. Dunbar via <[email protected]> wrote: > Brian, I can find no trace of a unit calling itself a regiment of foot > guards, except for the Polish one I mentioned in my original posting. I > have never seen 'Guards' as part of the 79th's title. Incidentally they > were resurrected and disbanded more than once after 1757. Although > originally raised in Colchester, it later became a Scottish regiment > with a variety of titles - 79th. Regiment of Foot (Cameronian > Volunteers) and the Queen's Own Cameron Highlanders are two of them. I have found this web page using RFG for Regiment of Foot Guards: https://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php?topic=257125.0 Not that I can vouch for it being authentic historic usage :-) Malcolm. -- Malcolm Austen <[email protected]> GENUKI trustee <[email protected]> Pedigree User Group <[email protected]> Oxfordshire FHS <[email protected]> or <[email protected]>

On Fri, 22 Apr 2016 11:18:39 +0100, Rose Norton via <[email protected]> wrote: > Could it be Royal Field Garrison? I'm sure I've come across that before. > They then became RF Artillery I believe. I won't claim expertise on this Rose but AFAIK 'Field' and 'Garrison' are contra-indicators and so should not appear together. The two parts involved being the Royal Garrison Artillery and the Royal Field Artillery. Malcolm. -- Malcolm Austen <[email protected]> GENUKI trustee <[email protected]> Pedigree User Group <[email protected]> Oxfordshire FHS <[email protected]> or <[email protected]>

Could it be Royal Field Garrison? I'm sure I've come across that before. They then became RF Artillery I believe. Rose Norton -----Original Message----- From: bob britnell via Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 4:15 PM To: Patrick R. L. Dunbar ; goons mailing list Subject: Re: [G] British Army Regiment Pat, are you sure it is RFG, could it be RFC, there are 22 Dunbars in the RFC, but I don't know about ranks, listed with first names on airhistory.org.uk/rfc/people. There's a Major Joseph Cameron Dunbar DSO in the Royal Artillery, London Gazette Nov 1918 but I've never seen Artillery as RFG only RA, RFA or RGA Just a thought, Bob > To: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 01:50:59 +0100 > Subject: [G] Re: British Army Regiment > From: [email protected] > > Many thanks to Ken and Brian for your suggestions. > > Ken, you were spot-on with the signature, but the initials appear twice > on the document and are clearly RFG. Perhaps this was the unit initials > before it became the RFA and later the Royal Artillery. I'll sort this > out on my next research trip - The Army List for 1920 -21 should provide > the answer. > > Brian, I can find no trace of a unit calling itself a regiment of foot > guards, except for the Polish one I mentioned in my original posting. I > have never seen 'Guards' as part of the 79th's title. Incidentally they > were resurrected and disbanded more than once after 1757. Although > originally raised in Colchester, it later became a Scottish regiment > with a variety of titles - 79th. Regiment of Foot (Cameronian > Volunteers) and the Queen's Own Cameron Highlanders are two of them. > > Once again, many thanks > Pat Dunbar > #2248 > > On 18 April 2016 at 20:22, Patrick R. L. Dunbar via wrote: > >> In the FMP Easter Rising list is a Major Dunbar DSO RFG, a President of >> a Court of Enquiry. >> >> What regiment has the initials RFG? Although his given name is difficult >> to read, RFG is clear and a second officer is from the same regiment. >> >> My only hit on the web was Royal Foot Guards - but this was a Polish >> regiment, so no help! >> >> Pat Dunbar >> #22 > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Folks I's sorry if this has been discussed before. I have tested with FTDNA Family Finder (and Y-111). Am I going to gain anything if I now test with Ancestry; i.e. more matches etc? Or will something like GedMatch be the way to go? With thanks Garry

Hi Garry, I'm speaking as someone who's tested (my parents) through FTDNA but not through Ancestry. I'm also speaking as someone who has lived through a couple of rounds of watching Ancestry dip their toes in the genetic genealogy market, then surreptitiously bailing out, leaving their customers in the lurch to at least some extent. That said, I think there IS something to be gained by testing through Ancestry at this point. First, their current autosomal test is somewhat superior to FTDNA's, in technical terms -- if you're going to upload the results from one test or the other to GEDMatch, then upload the Ancestry results. Second, there will always be people who test through Ancestry but DON'T upload to GEDMatch, and the only way to include those people in your comparison pool is to test directly through Ancestry. Third, I think Ancestry have (or in American English, "has") finally found their niche -- they've finally found a profitable line of genetic genealogy business and I think it's going to be around for awhile. I'll let others speak to the merits (or lack thereof) of Ancestry's matching algorithms. I haven't tested through Ancestry yet, but if they keep on their current track it's proabably only a matter of time before I do. -Mark Bunch (GOONS #6223) > Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 10:08:06 +1200 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [G] FTDNA vs Ancestry > From: [email protected] > > Hi Folks > > I's sorry if this has been discussed before. > > I have tested with FTDNA Family Finder (and Y-111). Am I going to gain > anything if I now test with Ancestry; i.e. more matches etc? Or will > something like GedMatch be the way to go? > > With thanks > Garry > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

See Chris Paton's Blog: http://britishgenes.blogspot.co.uk/2016/01/familyrelatives-back-online.html Ken On 21 April 2016 at 18:43, W. Paul Featherstone via <[email protected]> wrote: > Well I could still log in > Which is good news > Paul > 2627 > > On 21/4/16 03:48 PM, Debbie Kennett via wrote: >> As far as I can make out the Family Relatives website is back online: >> >> http://www.familyrelatives.com/ >> >> I don't know when it reappeared. It is a useful site for looking up the GRO >> overseas indexes. >> >> Debbie Kennett >> http://cruwys.blogspot.co.uk/ >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of Peter Armstrong via >> Sent: 17 November 2015 18:02 >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [G] familyrelatives.com >> >> I hope no one here had a subscription to familyrelatives.com as it looks >> like they have gone down the tubes! There is an item on Chris Paton's blog >> here >> http://www.britishgenes.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/familyrelativescom-and-gro-ov >> erseas-bmd.html >> about the fact that their web site is unreachable. From a bit of checking >> online they seem to have disappeared about the 22nd July. The company which >> ran the outfit was based in Jersey, so I don't hold out much hope for >> anybody who had a subscription. They were useful for looking up overseas >> BMDs as they were free to lookup. Can't say I am altogether surprised, but >> is a shame that the big players dominate the market so much. >> >> Regards, >> Peter Armstrong >> >> email: [email protected] >> Godsland One Name Study >> Researching GODSLAND, GOSLAND, GOSSLAND & similar variants World Wide >> Website: http://www.godsland.co.uk >> >> Member No.1987 of the Guild of One Name Studies >> Guild Website http://www.one-name.org/ >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: >> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well I could still log in Which is good news Paul 2627 On 21/4/16 03:48 PM, Debbie Kennett via wrote: > As far as I can make out the Family Relatives website is back online: > > http://www.familyrelatives.com/ > > I don't know when it reappeared. It is a useful site for looking up the GRO > overseas indexes. > > Debbie Kennett > http://cruwys.blogspot.co.uk/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Peter Armstrong via > Sent: 17 November 2015 18:02 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [G] familyrelatives.com > > I hope no one here had a subscription to familyrelatives.com as it looks > like they have gone down the tubes! There is an item on Chris Paton's blog > here > http://www.britishgenes.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/familyrelativescom-and-gro-ov > erseas-bmd.html > about the fact that their web site is unreachable. From a bit of checking > online they seem to have disappeared about the 22nd July. The company which > ran the outfit was based in Jersey, so I don't hold out much hope for > anybody who had a subscription. They were useful for looking up overseas > BMDs as they were free to lookup. Can't say I am altogether surprised, but > is a shame that the big players dominate the market so much. > > Regards, > Peter Armstrong > > email: [email protected] > Godsland One Name Study > Researching GODSLAND, GOSLAND, GOSSLAND & similar variants World Wide > Website: http://www.godsland.co.uk > > Member No.1987 of the Guild of One Name Studies > Guild Website http://www.one-name.org/ > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can it be J C Dubar of the Royal Flying Corps who died 18 Sep 1918 in an aero accident. The Royal Flying Corps was part of the army until the formation of the Royal Air Force. -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 21/4/16, bob britnell via <[email protected]> wrote: Subject: Re: [G] British Army Regiment To: "Patrick R. L. Dunbar" <[email protected]>, "goons mailing list" <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, 21 April, 2016, 16:15 Pat, are you sure it is RFG, could it be RFC, there are 22 Dunbars in the RFC, but I don't know about ranks, listed with first names on airhistory.org.uk/rfc/people. There's a Major Joseph Cameron Dunbar DSO in the Royal Artillery, London Gazette Nov 1918 but I've never seen Artillery as RFG only RA, RFA or RGA Just a thought, Bob > To: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 01:50:59 +0100 > Subject: [G] Re: British Army Regiment > From: [email protected] > > Many thanks to Ken and Brian for your suggestions. > > Ken, you were spot-on with the signature, but the initials appear twice > on the document and are clearly RFG. Perhaps this was the unit initials > before it became the RFA and later the Royal Artillery. I'll sort this > out on my next research trip - The Army List for 1920 -21 should provide > the answer. > > Brian, I can find no trace of a unit calling itself a regiment of foot > guards, except for the Polish one I mentioned in my original posting. I > have never seen 'Guards' as part of the 79th's title. Incidentally they > were resurrected and disbanded more than once after 1757. Although > originally raised in Colchester, it later became a Scottish regiment > with a variety of titles - 79th. Regiment of Foot (Cameronian > Volunteers) and the Queen's Own Cameron Highlanders are two of them. > > Once again, many thanks > Pat Dunbar > #2248 > > On 18 April 2016 at 20:22, Patrick R. L. Dunbar via wrote: > >> In the FMP Easter Rising list is a Major Dunbar DSO RFG, a President of >> a Court of Enquiry. >> >> What regiment has the initials RFG? Although his given name is difficult >> to read, RFG is clear and a second officer is from the same regiment. >> >> My only hit on the web was Royal Foot Guards - but this was a Polish >> regiment, so no help! >> >> Pat Dunbar >> #22 > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message                           _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As far as I can make out the Family Relatives website is back online: http://www.familyrelatives.com/ I don't know when it reappeared. It is a useful site for looking up the GRO overseas indexes. Debbie Kennett http://cruwys.blogspot.co.uk/ -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Peter Armstrong via Sent: 17 November 2015 18:02 To: [email protected] Subject: [G] familyrelatives.com I hope no one here had a subscription to familyrelatives.com as it looks like they have gone down the tubes! There is an item on Chris Paton's blog here http://www.britishgenes.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/familyrelativescom-and-gro-ov erseas-bmd.html about the fact that their web site is unreachable. From a bit of checking online they seem to have disappeared about the 22nd July. The company which ran the outfit was based in Jersey, so I don't hold out much hope for anybody who had a subscription. They were useful for looking up overseas BMDs as they were free to lookup. Can't say I am altogether surprised, but is a shame that the big players dominate the market so much. Regards, Peter Armstrong email: [email protected] Godsland One Name Study Researching GODSLAND, GOSLAND, GOSSLAND & similar variants World Wide Website: http://www.godsland.co.uk Member No.1987 of the Guild of One Name Studies Guild Website http://www.one-name.org/

Pat, are you sure it is RFG, could it be RFC, there are 22 Dunbars in the RFC, but I don't know about ranks, listed with first names on airhistory.org.uk/rfc/people. There's a Major Joseph Cameron Dunbar DSO in the Royal Artillery, London Gazette Nov 1918 but I've never seen Artillery as RFG only RA, RFA or RGA Just a thought, Bob > To: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 01:50:59 +0100 > Subject: [G] Re: British Army Regiment > From: [email protected] > > Many thanks to Ken and Brian for your suggestions. > > Ken, you were spot-on with the signature, but the initials appear twice > on the document and are clearly RFG. Perhaps this was the unit initials > before it became the RFA and later the Royal Artillery. I'll sort this > out on my next research trip - The Army List for 1920 -21 should provide > the answer. > > Brian, I can find no trace of a unit calling itself a regiment of foot > guards, except for the Polish one I mentioned in my original posting. I > have never seen 'Guards' as part of the 79th's title. Incidentally they > were resurrected and disbanded more than once after 1757. Although > originally raised in Colchester, it later became a Scottish regiment > with a variety of titles - 79th. Regiment of Foot (Cameronian > Volunteers) and the Queen's Own Cameron Highlanders are two of them. > > Once again, many thanks > Pat Dunbar > #2248 > > On 18 April 2016 at 20:22, Patrick R. L. Dunbar via wrote: > >> In the FMP Easter Rising list is a Major Dunbar DSO RFG, a President of >> a Court of Enquiry. >> >> What regiment has the initials RFG? Although his given name is difficult >> to read, RFG is clear and a second officer is from the same regiment. >> >> My only hit on the web was Royal Foot Guards - but this was a Polish >> regiment, so no help! >> >> Pat Dunbar >> #22 > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks to Chris and all the others who answered my query. Most interesting to see the difference between an OS and an AB spelt out so clearly. Nick member 4108 Chesson and variants On 20/04/2016 12:50, Christopher Gray via wrote: > One joined as an "ordinary seaman" before being promoted to "able seaman". > Wikipedia has some good articles: > > "An ordinary seaman (OS) is an unlicensed member of the deck department of a > merchant ship. The position is an apprenticeship to become an able seaman, > and has been for centuries. In modern times, an OS is required to work on a > ship for a specific amount of time, gaining what is referred to as "sea > time." Once a sufficient amount of sea time is acquired, the OS can apply to > take a series of courses, and then a series of examinations to become > certified as an able seaman." > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Nicholas Spence via > Sent: 20 April 2016 12:04 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [G] Ancestry BMD at Sea > > A bit of help please? Looking at recently released files on Ancestry, I > found John Thomas CHESSON listed amongst the crew who drowned at sea on the > Glencoe on 21 Oct 1882. He was described as "O.S" as were several others of > his shipmates, other crew members included "Master", "Mate" > and "AB". Was an "O.S" an Ordinary Seaman" and if so how did he differ from > an "A.B"? The entry said he was 18 but as his birth was registered in Q2 of > 1866 and he was 4 in the 1871 census, I suspect he was in fact only 16. > > Nick Member 4108 > Chesson and Variants > >

Nick, Ship's Boy (Peggy); Ordinary Seaman; Able Seaman; depending on length at sea, and therefore pay! When I was at sea in the 40s & 50s as an apprentice, there were certificates, EDH Efficient Deck Hand, Lifeboat Ticket. No doubt in earlier times being friends with the Bosun or First mate helped. In the depression 20s and 30s folk with Masters tickets were glad to sail as AB. John -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nicholas Spence via Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 12:04 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [SPAM][G] Ancestry BMD at Sea A bit of help please? Looking at recently released files on Ancestry, I found John Thomas CHESSON listed amongst the crew who drowned at sea on the Glencoe on 21 Oct 1882. He was described as "O.S" as were several others of his shipmates, other crew members included "Master", "Mate" and "AB". Was an "O.S" an Ordinary Seaman" and if so how did he differ from an "A.B"? The entry said he was 18 but as his birth was registered in Q2 of 1866 and he was 4 in the 1871 census, I suspect he was in fact only 16. Nick Member 4108 Chesson and Variants _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.6189 / Virus Database: 4556/12063 - Release Date: 04/19/16

Ron Thanks for letting me know. I've now added a note to the Wiki page to alert people to the changes at Ancestry. Debbie -----Original Message----- From: Ron Lomax [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 20 April 2016 12:18 To: 'Debbie Kennett'; [email protected] Subject: RE: [G] Ancestry Census Download Debbie - the info I had came from the article 'Computing For ONS Beginners. Part 2. Spreadsheets. JOONS July-September 2009, Volume 10, Issue 3, pp17-19' as given on the WIKI page. Ron

One joined as an "ordinary seaman" before being promoted to "able seaman". Wikipedia has some good articles: "An ordinary seaman (OS) is an unlicensed member of the deck department of a merchant ship. The position is an apprenticeship to become an able seaman, and has been for centuries. In modern times, an OS is required to work on a ship for a specific amount of time, gaining what is referred to as "sea time." Once a sufficient amount of sea time is acquired, the OS can apply to take a series of courses, and then a series of examinations to become certified as an able seaman." -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nicholas Spence via Sent: 20 April 2016 12:04 To: [email protected] Subject: [G] Ancestry BMD at Sea A bit of help please? Looking at recently released files on Ancestry, I found John Thomas CHESSON listed amongst the crew who drowned at sea on the Glencoe on 21 Oct 1882. He was described as "O.S" as were several others of his shipmates, other crew members included "Master", "Mate" and "AB". Was an "O.S" an Ordinary Seaman" and if so how did he differ from an "A.B"? The entry said he was 18 but as his birth was registered in Q2 of 1866 and he was 4 in the 1871 census, I suspect he was in fact only 16. Nick Member 4108 Chesson and Variants _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message