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John Many thanks to you (and Lauretta and Dai) for your replies. I was hoping there might be an alternative to leafing through images of 5 volumes of de Ruvingy, which I suspect would be a very time consuming undertaking - with no guarantee of there being anything there to find at the end of the day. Nick On 01/05/2016 12:46, John Hanson wrote: > Nick > The roll is digitised, indexed and the images are available on findmypast. > It doesn't appear as though they have indexed all the text but you can page > through the images. > > Hope this helps > > Regards > John Hanson > Researcher, The Halsted Trust > Website - www.halstedresearch.org.uk > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Nicholas Spence via > Sent: 29 April 2016 15:15 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [G] Training ship Stork > > Can any one help me? > > HMS Stork was decommissioned in 1913 and renamed TS Stork (TS=Training > Ship). It was then moored in the Thames just above Hammersmith and served as > a training ship for adolescent boys from March 1913 until after World War > II. While on board, the boys were in the spiritual care of the Vicar of > Holy Innocents church, in Ravenscourt Park Hammersmith. > Probably most of these boys will have later served in the armed forces > (mainly Royal Navy) and some will have been killed in action. > > Holy Innocents has a memorial to those who died in WW1 and a friend of mine > is trying to write mini-biographies of those whose names appear on the > memorial and if possible to explain their connection with the church. She > has found one boy who died at the Battle of Jutland who is written up in De > Ruvigny's Roll of Honour, and whose entry there mentions that he trained on > the Stork. She wonders whether there might be entries in Ruvigny for other > young men whose training on the Stork are similarly mentioned. > > It has occurred to me that if the De Ruvigny volumes have been OCR-ed, a > search for the word 'Stork' might throw up some other names. Does anybody > know how I might carry out such a search? > > Nick Member 4108 , Chesson and Variants >

Nick The roll is digitised, indexed and the images are available on findmypast. It doesn't appear as though they have indexed all the text but you can page through the images. Hope this helps Regards John Hanson Researcher, The Halsted Trust Website - www.halstedresearch.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nicholas Spence via Sent: 29 April 2016 15:15 To: [email protected] Subject: [G] Training ship Stork Can any one help me? HMS Stork was decommissioned in 1913 and renamed TS Stork (TS=Training Ship). It was then moored in the Thames just above Hammersmith and served as a training ship for adolescent boys from March 1913 until after World War II. While on board, the boys were in the spiritual care of the Vicar of Holy Innocents church, in Ravenscourt Park Hammersmith. Probably most of these boys will have later served in the armed forces (mainly Royal Navy) and some will have been killed in action. Holy Innocents has a memorial to those who died in WW1 and a friend of mine is trying to write mini-biographies of those whose names appear on the memorial and if possible to explain their connection with the church. She has found one boy who died at the Battle of Jutland who is written up in De Ruvigny's Roll of Honour, and whose entry there mentions that he trained on the Stork. She wonders whether there might be entries in Ruvigny for other young men whose training on the Stork are similarly mentioned. It has occurred to me that if the De Ruvigny volumes have been OCR-ed, a search for the word 'Stork' might throw up some other names. Does anybody know how I might carry out such a search? Nick Member 4108 , Chesson and Variants _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Training Ship Stork Explosion on HMS Stork 17 May 1918 The National Archives, Kew ADM 137/3748 may possibly have some casualties listed. One could also try the newspaper archives. Lauretta Harris London UK

Thomas I apologise, the first marriage of AX to BY was in 1969, not 1949. I have removed some information from this post to protect people who may be still living. CZ and DZ were listed together in the 2003 Electoral Roll. Brian Yare #5831 Yare Brian If AX was BORN in 1949 ... How could she marry BY in 1949. Thomas D On 29/04/2016 11:27 AM, brian via wrote: > AX, born 1949 married BY in > 1949. BY died in 2001. > > CX was born in 1980 Q4 but registered at the time as both CY and CZ > (mother's maiden name=X in both cases, reference details the same in the index) > > AY (nee X) eventually married DZ in 2003. > I was surprised that C was registered as both CY and CZ in > 1980, discovered by persevering beyond the boundaries of my ONS when I > spotted AYs 2nd Marriage. I could so easily have missed it! > >

Just a short note to publicly thank Sue for my 36 Hicklin(g) marriages! Phil 5421 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of S Horsman via Sent: 29 April 2016 08:43 To: Goons <[email protected]> Subject: [G] Shardlow Marriage Challenge I have now completed the Shardlow marriage challenge, and all results have been emailed or sent by mail. If you submitted a request, but have not received your results, please contact me. Sue Horsman3446 Hors(e)man _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Nick, De Ruvigny's Roll is on Ancestry. Unfortunately, searching for the keyword 'Stork' gave no hits. Dai Bevan Gilbourne ONS On 29/04/2016 15:14, Nicholas Spence via wrote: Can any one help me? HMS Stork was decommissioned in 1913 and renamed TS Stork (TS=Training Ship). It was then moored in the Thames just above Hammersmith and served as a training ship for adolescent boys from March 1913 until after World War II. While on board, the boys were in the spiritual care of the Vicar of Holy Innocents church, in Ravenscourt Park Hammersmith. Probably most of these boys will have later served in the armed forces (mainly Royal Navy) and some will have been killed in action. Holy Innocents has a memorial to those who died in WW1 and a friend of mine is trying to write mini-biographies of those whose names appear on the memorial and if possible to explain their connection with the church. She has found one boy who died at the Battle of Jutland who is written up in De Ruvigny's Roll of Honour, and whose entry there mentions that he trained on the Stork. She wonders whether there might be entries in Ruvigny for other young men whose training on the Stork are similarly mentioned. It has occurred to me that if the De Ruvigny volumes have been OCR-ed, a search for the word 'Stork' might throw up some other names. Does anybody know how I might carry out such a search? Nick Member 4108 , Chesson and Variants

Can any one help me? HMS Stork was decommissioned in 1913 and renamed TS Stork (TS=Training Ship). It was then moored in the Thames just above Hammersmith and served as a training ship for adolescent boys from March 1913 until after World War II. While on board, the boys were in the spiritual care of the Vicar of Holy Innocents church, in Ravenscourt Park Hammersmith. Probably most of these boys will have later served in the armed forces (mainly Royal Navy) and some will have been killed in action. Holy Innocents has a memorial to those who died in WW1 and a friend of mine is trying to write mini-biographies of those whose names appear on the memorial and if possible to explain their connection with the church. She has found one boy who died at the Battle of Jutland who is written up in De Ruvigny's Roll of Honour, and whose entry there mentions that he trained on the Stork. She wonders whether there might be entries in Ruvigny for other young men whose training on the Stork are similarly mentioned. It has occurred to me that if the De Ruvigny volumes have been OCR-ed, a search for the word 'Stork' might throw up some other names. Does anybody know how I might carry out such a search? Nick Member 4108 , Chesson and Variants

I am trying to "get my head around" this. So - if this person 4,000 years ago had the surname "Fluxatroyd" (and I know that surnames don't go that far back) - would half the population of Europe now have that surname? Chris -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stephanie Ray via Sent: 28 April 2016 15:04 To: Barbara Bush; GOONStgll Subject: Re: [G] DNA conclusions? This is how lines get "daughtered out", and why apparently all living men can trace their DNA back to one single ancestor "Y-Adam". On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 5:57 AM, Barbara Bush via <[email protected]> wrote: > You are not alone Liz. I was adopted by a wonderful man, who married > my Mom in 1967. There are three of us girls and we are all adopted. > He had one brother, who died last year with no children and a sister, > who died at age 16. I would venture to say that line is "dead" as > well. His Dad had a brother and two sisters. The brother had a son, > who only has daughters, so the entire male line from my Grandfather > (adopted) will not go on. As well, my Grandfather had only one > brother and two sisters. His brother had a son, who only has daughters, so that line will also be "dead" > from the male side. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Liz Phillips via > Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 3:25 AM > To: Derek Bandy <[email protected]>; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [G] DNA conclusions? > > I thought my direct line was fairly healthy until I thought about it, > half brother (different father), who has two daughters and one son, so > only has three daughter's, girls obviously different surnames, but one > had four daughters anyway and the other only one son. Male cousin who > has no children, uncle with only one girl! So, this family line is now dead! > > best wishes, from another girl of the only girl! > Liz > > On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 12:17 PM, Derek Bandy via <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Don't forget over extended periods of time many DNA lines simply die >> out, people with no children, no male children (y-dna). It doesn't >> have to be natural disasters or massacres. There was a study on it >> some time ago but I have lost the details. >> >> with kind regards >> Derek Bandy >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >> On Behalf Of JANETHESKI via >> Sent: 27 April 2016 12:00 >> To: [email protected] >> Cc: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [G] DNA conclusions? >> >> And the Black Death... >> >> And the plague of 1665... >> >> Janet [2281] >> >> >> >> In a message dated 27/04/2016 11:58:02 GMT Daylight Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> Well, the last ice age would have killed many but even so ... >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >> On Behalf Of Christopher Gray via >> Sent: 2016 April 27 08:19 >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [G] DNA conclusions? >> >> A recent claim in the UK's Daily Telegraph - as pointed to by >> today's "Eastman's Online Genealogy Newsletter" - was that half of >> today's European men are descended from a single man who lived some >> 4,000 years ago. >> Leaving >> aside what happened to all the boys descended from the many >> thousands of other men alive at that time - let alone this man's >> close relations (mass >> genocide?) - how can people make such sweeping generalisations based >> on the DNA of just 1,200 people? I could better understand if the >> study was of a few million people. >> >> The same goes for this "Eve" person we are all meant to be descended > from. >> Was she the only female alive at the time? Did she wonder around >> Africa killing off all the others? >> >> Chris >>

Is anyone visiting Somerset Archives, who could spare a few minutes to look at a couple of marriage licences and associated marriages?If so, please could you get in touch.Thanks Sue Horsman3446 Hors(e)man

I have now completed the Shardlow marriage challenge, and all results have been emailed or sent by mail.  If you submitted a request, but have not received your results, please contact me. Sue Horsman3446 Hors(e)man

I think this article explains it well. Pedigree collapse. With enough time and enough descendants everyone ends up intermarrying down the line. So every couple of thousand years or so everyone is essentially related to everyone unless your population has been isolated. http://genealogysstar.blogspot.com/2011/10/pedigree-collapse-and-end-of-line.html Sent from my iPad > On Apr 28, 2016, at 5:17 PM, Christine Usher via <[email protected]> wrote: > > I haven't yet identified any living relatives descended through a male line that are related to me, been working on it 40 years > > Chris U > >> On 28 Apr 2016, at 09:24, Liz Phillips via <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I thought my direct line was fairly healthy until I thought about it, half >> brother (different father), who has two daughters and one son, so only has >> three daughter's, girls obviously different surnames, but one had four >> daughters anyway and the other only one son. Male cousin who has no >> children, uncle with only one girl! So, this family line is now dead! >> >> best wishes, from another girl of the only girl! >> Liz >> >> On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 12:17 PM, Derek Bandy via <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Don't forget over extended periods of time many DNA lines simply die out, >>> people with no children, no male children (y-dna). It doesn't have to be >>> natural disasters or massacres. There was a study on it some time ago but >>> I >>> have lost the details. >>> >>> with kind regards >>> Derek Bandy >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>> Behalf Of JANETHESKI via >>> Sent: 27 April 2016 12:00 >>> To: [email protected] >>> Cc: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [G] DNA conclusions? >>> >>> And the Black Death... >>> >>> And the plague of 1665... >>> >>> Janet [2281] >>> >>> >>> >>> In a message dated 27/04/2016 11:58:02 GMT Daylight Time, >>> [email protected] writes: >>> Well, the last ice age would have killed many but even so ... >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>> Behalf Of Christopher Gray via >>> Sent: 2016 April 27 08:19 >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: [G] DNA conclusions? >>> >>> A recent claim in the UK's Daily Telegraph - as pointed to by today's >>> "Eastman's Online Genealogy Newsletter" - was that half of today's >>> European >>> men are descended from a single man who lived some 4,000 years ago. >>> Leaving >>> aside what happened to all the boys descended from the many thousands of >>> other men alive at that time - let alone this man's close relations (mass >>> genocide?) - how can people make such sweeping generalisations based on >>> the >>> DNA of just 1,200 people? I could better understand if the study was of a >>> few million people. >>> >>> The same goes for this "Eve" person we are all meant to be descended from. >>> Was she the only female alive at the time? Did she wonder around Africa >>> killing off all the others? >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> >>> _____________________________________________ >>> >>> RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: >>> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> --- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>> _____________________________________________ >>> >>> RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: >>> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>> in the subject and >>> the body of the message >>> >>> _____________________________________________ >>> >>> RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: >>> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>> in >>> the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> _____________________________________________ >>> >>> RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: >>> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >> _____________________________________________ >> >> RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: >> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

More likely Li v. Wang.     :^) ---------------------------------------- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [G] DNA conclusions? > Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 14:38:12 +0100 > > Film idea - Smith v. Patel perhaps? > > Cheers, Ruth in Brum. (Birmingham, England.)

Once again, I meant to send this to the list the first time -- sorry, Chris, for the duplicate response. ____________________ Hi Chris, Yes, I think that's the general idea (that half of Europe would have the same surname if surnames had been in use 4,000 years ago).  Of course there would also have been 4,000 years of linguistic variation on "Fluxatroyd."   :^)  With regard to surnames, a general implication of random walk theory is this: That in a population of fixed size one can expect a consolidation to occur as less-well-represented surnames tend to die out over time.  When populations contract (as in times of plague and war), the consolidaton will tend to occur more quickly; when populations expand, there will likely be opportunities for less-well-represented surnames to move up the list.  When populations expand rapidly (as in colonization of new, relatively unpopulated territories) the field tends to be leveled -- whichever surnames arrive earliest and have the earliest success tend to be better represented in later generations. Of course, this is all based on a number of general assumptions (such as that there not be a constant, significant addition of newly minted surnames to the mix). This whole idea seems like fertile ground for science fiction -- perhaps a future world in which the last two remaining surname factions battle it out for global domination...  -Mark Bunch (6223)  ---------------------------------------- > To: [email protected] > Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 10:43:15 +0100 > Subject: Re: [G] DNA conclusions? > From: [email protected] > > I am trying to "get my head around" this. So - if this person 4,000 years > ago had the surname "Fluxatroyd" (and I know that surnames don't go that far > back) - would half the population of Europe now have that surname? > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Stephanie Ray via > Sent: 28 April 2016 15:04 > To: Barbara Bush; GOONStgll > Subject: Re: [G] DNA conclusions? > > This is how lines get "daughtered out", and why apparently all living men > can trace their DNA back to one single ancestor "Y-Adam". > > On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 5:57 AM, Barbara Bush via <[email protected]> > wrote: >> You are not alone Liz. I was adopted by a wonderful man, who married >> my Mom in 1967. There are three of us girls and we are all adopted. >> He had one brother, who died last year with no children and a sister, >> who died at age 16. I would venture to say that line is "dead" as >> well. His Dad had a brother and two sisters. The brother had a son, >> who only has daughters, so the entire male line from my Grandfather >> (adopted) will not go on. As well, my Grandfather had only one >> brother and two sisters. His brother had a son, who only has daughters, > so that line will also be "dead" >> from the male side. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >> On Behalf Of Liz Phillips via >> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 3:25 AM >> To: Derek Bandy <[email protected]>; [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [G] DNA conclusions? >> >> I thought my direct line was fairly healthy until I thought about it, >> half brother (different father), who has two daughters and one son, so >> only has three daughter's, girls obviously different surnames, but one >> had four daughters anyway and the other only one son. Male cousin who >> has no children, uncle with only one girl! So, this family line is now > dead! >> >> best wishes, from another girl of the only girl! >> Liz >> >> On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 12:17 PM, Derek Bandy via <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Don't forget over extended periods of time many DNA lines simply die >>> out, people with no children, no male children (y-dna). It doesn't >>> have to be natural disasters or massacres. There was a study on it >>> some time ago but I have lost the details. >>> >>> with kind regards >>> Derek Bandy >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >>> On Behalf Of JANETHESKI via >>> Sent: 27 April 2016 12:00 >>> To: [email protected] >>> Cc: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [G] DNA conclusions? >>> >>> And the Black Death... >>> >>> And the plague of 1665... >>> >>> Janet [2281] >>> >>> >>> >>> In a message dated 27/04/2016 11:58:02 GMT Daylight Time, >>> [email protected] writes: >>> Well, the last ice age would have killed many but even so ... >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >>> On Behalf Of Christopher Gray via >>> Sent: 2016 April 27 08:19 >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: [G] DNA conclusions? >>> >>> A recent claim in the UK's Daily Telegraph - as pointed to by >>> today's "Eastman's Online Genealogy Newsletter" - was that half of >>> today's European men are descended from a single man who lived some >>> 4,000 years ago. >>> Leaving >>> aside what happened to all the boys descended from the many >>> thousands of other men alive at that time - let alone this man's >>> close relations (mass >>> genocide?) - how can people make such sweeping generalisations based >>> on the DNA of just 1,200 people? I could better understand if the >>> study was of a few million people. >>> >>> The same goes for this "Eve" person we are all meant to be descended >> from. >>> Was she the only female alive at the time? Did she wonder around >>> Africa killing off all the others? >>> >>> Chris >>> > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I haven't yet identified any living relatives descended through a male line that are related to me, been working on it 40 years Chris U > On 28 Apr 2016, at 09:24, Liz Phillips via <[email protected]> wrote: > > I thought my direct line was fairly healthy until I thought about it, half > brother (different father), who has two daughters and one son, so only has > three daughter's, girls obviously different surnames, but one had four > daughters anyway and the other only one son. Male cousin who has no > children, uncle with only one girl! So, this family line is now dead! > > best wishes, from another girl of the only girl! > Liz > > On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 12:17 PM, Derek Bandy via <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Don't forget over extended periods of time many DNA lines simply die out, >> people with no children, no male children (y-dna). It doesn't have to be >> natural disasters or massacres. There was a study on it some time ago but >> I >> have lost the details. >> >> with kind regards >> Derek Bandy >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of JANETHESKI via >> Sent: 27 April 2016 12:00 >> To: [email protected] >> Cc: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [G] DNA conclusions? >> >> And the Black Death... >> >> And the plague of 1665... >> >> Janet [2281] >> >> >> >> In a message dated 27/04/2016 11:58:02 GMT Daylight Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> Well, the last ice age would have killed many but even so ... >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of Christopher Gray via >> Sent: 2016 April 27 08:19 >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [G] DNA conclusions? >> >> A recent claim in the UK's Daily Telegraph - as pointed to by today's >> "Eastman's Online Genealogy Newsletter" - was that half of today's >> European >> men are descended from a single man who lived some 4,000 years ago. >> Leaving >> aside what happened to all the boys descended from the many thousands of >> other men alive at that time - let alone this man's close relations (mass >> genocide?) - how can people make such sweeping generalisations based on >> the >> DNA of just 1,200 people? I could better understand if the study was of a >> few million people. >> >> The same goes for this "Eve" person we are all meant to be descended from. >> Was she the only female alive at the time? Did she wonder around Africa >> killing off all the others? >> >> Chris >> >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: >> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: >> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and >> the body of the message >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: >> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in >> the subject and the body of the message >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: >> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Marie OK, maybe Bell wasn't an extreme example. Using the 1911 Census in County Durham as a base, out of 750 marriages one would expect the following number of marriages out of 750 where one partner is a Thubron, with the ones I found in brackets: Thompson 7.5 (10) Brown 8 (10) Bell 5.7 (8) Harrison 3.2 (8) Hutchinson 2.4 (8) Smith 10.5 (6) Mills 0.6 (5) Apart from Smith I think you will agree the others are significantly higher than one would expect. Obviously this is counterbalanced by all those common names that don't appear in my results, but the point I was trying to make is that where there were several of the same surname, there were more than you would expect (except for Smith). And just for good measure, one would have expected 0.09 Thubron to Thubron marriages - there were actually 3, but that is a special case! Adrian On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 9:34 PM, Marie Byatt <[email protected]> wrote: > Having been born a Bell...let me assure you....we are everywhere...check the > census numbers > > Having just got a birth certificate to determine which of two > similarly surnamed women was the mother of one of my ONS people > (THUBRON), I decided to check how many marriage partners in my ONS had > matching surnames, and was somewhat surprised. > > This is a fairly rare name and I like to think I have collected all > the THUBRON marriages from the GRO Register, which amounts to about > 750 from 1837 to 2005. Out of these 750 marriages there were many > multiple occurrences of the same surname. The most common are: > > Thompson - 10 > Brown - 10 > Bell - 8 > Harrison - 8 > Hutchinson - 8 > Smith - 6 > Mills - 5 > > Many of them are possibly siblings/cousins marrying into the same > family, and the majority of the marriages were in the Northeast of > England. But I never considered Bell and Mills to be very common > names. > > Adrian

I had some trouble sending below last night and it appears not to have arrived so am trying again. From Merryl Wells of Luton, Beds. E-Mail: [email protected] GOONS Mem. No. 1757 Reg. ONS: Bawtree; Gullick/ock, Moist/Moyst. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Merryl Wells" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 1:45 AM Subject: Getting twins & quads on FTM trees in order they were born > Hi, I am finding it slightly annoying that I can't think of a way to > present > multiple births on the same day on Family Tree Maker in the correct order > of > birth, other than giving them the incorrect date of birth under Date and > then quoting the right birth-date and order in the Place column. Has > anyone > else come across this problem and how have they resolved it. > > The quads were born 15 August 1817 and baptized two days later when the > vicar performing the baptism resolved it by giving each another 'name', > being the Latin word for 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th. They all died within a > three month period when he retained his 'names' for their burial entries. > The couple earlier had twins when no distinction was made as to which was > born first in their baptism entry and they both lived. > From > Merryl Wells of Luton, Beds. > E-Mail: [email protected] > GOONS Mem. No. 1757 Reg. ONS: Bawtree; Gullick/ock, Moist/Moyst. >

Having just got a birth certificate to determine which of two similarly surnamed women was the mother of one of my ONS people (THUBRON), I decided to check how many marriage partners in my ONS had matching surnames, and was somewhat surprised. This is a fairly rare name and I like to think I have collected all the THUBRON marriages from the GRO Register, which amounts to about 750 from 1837 to 2005. Out of these 750 marriages there were many multiple occurrences of the same surname. The most common are: Thompson - 10 Brown - 10 Bell - 8 Harrison - 8 Hutchinson - 8 Smith - 6 Mills - 5 Many of them are possibly siblings/cousins marrying into the same family, and the majority of the marriages were in the Northeast of England. But I never considered Bell and Mills to be very common names. Adrian

Merryl, You can Manually set the birth order in Family Tree Maker. What version are you using? Russ On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Merryl Wells via <[email protected]> wrote: > I had some trouble sending below last night and it appears not to have > arrived so am trying again. > From > Merryl Wells of Luton, Beds. > E-Mail: [email protected] > GOONS Mem. No. 1757 Reg. ONS: Bawtree; Gullick/ock, Moist/Moyst. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Merryl Wells" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 1:45 AM > Subject: Getting twins & quads on FTM trees in order they were born > > > > Hi, I am finding it slightly annoying that I can't think of a way to > > present > > multiple births on the same day on Family Tree Maker in the correct order > > of > > birth, other than giving them the incorrect date of birth under Date and > > then quoting the right birth-date and order in the Place column. Has > > anyone > > else come across this problem and how have they resolved it. > > > > The quads were born 15 August 1817 and baptized two days later when the > > vicar performing the baptism resolved it by giving each another 'name', > > being the Latin word for 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th. They all died within a > > three month period when he retained his 'names' for their burial entries. > > The couple earlier had twins when no distinction was made as to which was > > born first in their baptism entry and they both lived. > > From > > Merryl Wells of Luton, Beds. > > E-Mail: [email protected] > > GOONS Mem. No. 1757 Reg. ONS: Bawtree; Gullick/ock, Moist/Moyst. > > > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- [email protected]

Thanks to Shirley and Jim for their replies. I hadn't realised that rationing had started right at the beginning in 1939 - or was "Heavy Worker" added at a later date? Sue 6000 Researching Pascall ________________________________ Heavy Worker meant they had extra rations of food as they were doing manual jobs. Shirley Forster ELWICK web site:www.elwick.info Pirbright web site:www.pirbright.info >Hi Listers, > >Advice please. As I work through the 1939 register, I notice that some of my people have had "Heavy Worker" written after their occupation - usually in a different hand, but not always. Why has this been added? The occupations vary, although they tend to be manual labour of some kind. Were they trying to identfy a certain type of man for a particular service job? Or was "Heavy Worker" designating someone whose war effort would be better served if they remained in their current job? Look forward to receiving your views. > > >Sue >6000 researching Pascall >_____________________________________________ > >RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: >http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message