Hello All, I am relatively new to the concept of a one name study, but have been an amateur genealogist for many years. I would like to pick people's brains concerning how to organise and record the study. According to the WIKI, the most favoured family tree software is FTM, which I also use. I have upwards of forty sourced family trees. If I keep them in separate FTM files, then finding someone is a nightmare, as is checking for duplicates which may link two trees. If I merge all the trees into one FTM file, (some 7000 people), it is almost impossible to locate a particular person, even with birth and death years, due to the 19th century spawning hundreds of Williams, James', Johns and Charles'. I have to use trial and error, and if I do not have either a definite birth or death date, then I may go through each one and not know whether I have him recorded or not. FTM does not give me the option of showing places in the index. I thought of using the FTM Person ID with a prefix representing the tree the person comes from, but this is overwritten if you merge all the trees. There is no report within FTM which shows BMD dates AND place of birth/death, so I cannot export a list from each tree and combine them in an Excel table. I cannot help feeling that, if there are many people using FTM, I am either missing something or expecting too much. I have considered switching from FTM, but I like the interface better than either Legacy or RM, and would prefer to stick with it if I can find a way round my issues. Has anyone else found a solution to this problem, or have I to bite the bullet and use more appropriate software? Any advice would be much appreciated. Many thanks Ron Lomax

Oh Dear! I shouldn't answer notes when I'm in a rush. I spent so much time last year transcribing deeds from film of the Irish Registry of deeds, I totally ignored all the others. I think we need to go back to Valerie and ask what location she is looking for. Irish Deeds in the LDS Catalogue that are held in London (at TNA) are shown here: https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/185720?availability=Family%20History%20Library Sorry for the confusion Dai Bevan Gilbourne ONS On 06/06/2016 18:41, Sheila Harris via wrote: > > > > > I know the West Yorks Registry of Deeds index has been filmed but not the actual transcripts, I would love to be told I am wrong however!! > Sheila > > Constantine One Name study > [email protected] > > > > ________________________________ > From: Ken Toll via <[email protected]> > To: Dai & Angela Bevan <[email protected]>; Goons mailing list <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, June 6, 2016 11:03 AM > Subject: Re: [G] Transcribing Registry of Deeds documents > > > Dai, is that true for all Deeds Registries? > > If so, it will save a lot of Genealogy Tourism... > > Ken > > > On 6 June 2016 at 06:34, Dai & Angela Bevan via <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Valerie, >> >> They have been filmed by the LDS. If you have a Family History Centre >> near you then you can order in the film. >> >> Dai Bevan >> >> Gilbourne ONS >> >> >> On 04/06/2016 23:56, Valerie Barbara Garton via wrote: >>> Does anyone know of a service for transcribing RofD's please ? >>> >>> Cheers from Valerie Garton [nee Vaughan] in sunny Sydney >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>

I know the West Yorks Registry of Deeds index has been filmed but not the actual transcripts, I would love to be told I am wrong however!! Sheila Constantine One Name study [email protected] ________________________________ From: Ken Toll via <[email protected]> To: Dai & Angela Bevan <[email protected]>; Goons mailing list <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 6, 2016 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [G] Transcribing Registry of Deeds documents Dai, is that true for all Deeds Registries? If so, it will save a lot of Genealogy Tourism... Ken On 6 June 2016 at 06:34, Dai & Angela Bevan via <[email protected]> wrote: > Valerie, > > They have been filmed by the LDS. If you have a Family History Centre > near you then you can order in the film. > > Dai Bevan > > Gilbourne ONS > > > On 04/06/2016 23:56, Valerie Barbara Garton via wrote: > > Does anyone know of a service for transcribing RofD's please ? > > > > Cheers from Valerie Garton [nee Vaughan] in sunny Sydney > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: > > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dai, is that true for all Deeds Registries? If so, it will save a lot of Genealogy Tourism... Ken On 6 June 2016 at 06:34, Dai & Angela Bevan via <[email protected]> wrote: > Valerie, > > They have been filmed by the LDS. If you have a Family History Centre > near you then you can order in the film. > > Dai Bevan > > Gilbourne ONS > > > On 04/06/2016 23:56, Valerie Barbara Garton via wrote: > > Does anyone know of a service for transcribing RofD's please ? > > > > Cheers from Valerie Garton [nee Vaughan] in sunny Sydney > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: > > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Valerie, They have been filmed by the LDS. If you have a Family History Centre near you then you can order in the film. Dai Bevan Gilbourne ONS On 04/06/2016 23:56, Valerie Barbara Garton via wrote: > Does anyone know of a service for transcribing RofD's please ? > > Cheers from Valerie Garton [nee Vaughan] in sunny Sydney > > > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I have just discovered that a blue plaque has been erected on a house in Askew Road, Hammersmith, London, W12. This has come as a complete surprise to me as I can¹t understand who would have arranged this. Although I have found references to this plaque on several websites, none of them has a photo of this plaque. However, the inscription apparently reads as follows: 'Delhi Lodge. William Lovely fleet paymaster to the Royal Navy lived here 1887¹ The house is 1, Askew Road, Hammersmith, London, W!2 and from Google Streetview, it is situated next door to Tommy Flynn¹s bar, which is on the corner of Uxbridge Road and Askew Road. If any member of the Forum lives in this area, could I be cheeky and ask if they could take a photograph of the plaque for me? You will need a camera with a telephoto lens as the plaque is quite high on the building and there is a bus shelter on the pavement directly outside the house. I would be very grateful if someone could help me. Regards, Geoff Giles Leicester, UK LOVELY, LOVELEE, LOVELEY, LOVLEE, LOVLEY, LOVLY One Name Study GOONS #3463

Some of the presentations from the SCGS Jamboree in California are being livestreamed. Guild member Tessa Keough is on this afternoon. http://genealogyjamboree.blogspot.co.uk/2016/05/jamboree-2016-registration-n ow-open-for.html You can also catch the recordings of six of the presentations from DNA Day for a small fee: http://genealogyjamboree.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/jamboree-2016-miss-genetic-g enealogy.html If you're interested in autosomal DNA testing I particularly recommend the talk by Diahan Southard "Circles or Triangles? What Shape Is Your DNA?" Best wishes Debbie Kennett http://cruwys.blogspot.com http://one-name.org/name_profile/cruwys http://www.familytreedna.com/public/CruwysDNA

Does anyone know of a service for transcribing RofD's please ? Cheers from Valerie Garton [nee Vaughan] in sunny Sydney

The Guild will have a small stand at the Northants FHS Anniversary Conference on Saturday 25th June 2016 at the Park Inn, Northampton. Details are available at: http://www.northants-fhs.org/Fairs_events.html Regards Allan Beeby Northamptonshire Regional Rep.

Hi Janet I have ancestors from the Kingston and Surbiton areas of Surrey/London and so I was interested in this facebook group you mention that Terry Gale has set up. I would just like to know what the criteria is for joining it. Many thanks Sarah Hughes On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 9:28 AM, JANETHESKI via <[email protected]> wrote: > When Chris Gray put his question on the Epsom, Ewell, Cheam Memories, > Family History and Genealogy Facebook site, I responded to his query by > suggesting that the writer make contact with his 'namesake' who is a member of the > Guild.... But he was one and the same... So I felt a bit silly... > > There are three main Facebook groups started by Terry Gale and friends at > the end of November 2015. They are : Kingston, Surbiton, Tolworth... Esher, > Claygate and the Dittons plus Epsom, Ewell, Cheam etc. All are closed > groups, with high standards of contribution and comment. > > On May 12th I had been booked by a local Surbiton group to give a local > history talk, which I based on extracts from the newspaper archive on FMP. > Eight or so of the Kingston based Facebook group attended, above and beyond > those who normally attend the meeting. There has been a call for a Local > History walk of the area and a date has been suggested. > > At present some genealogical work is taking place, supported by > photographs, a marriage certificate and memories. > > Personally I have been in collaboration,on line, with a distant cousin > regarding a local property in Surbiton. > This property is in the same road as one in which Mary Georgiana Heskins > Green resided in 1928, which brings me back to Chris Gray's problem with > the name, ROWE. > > I have absolutely no idea as to how Mary Georgina etc gained the name > 'HESKINS'. She was born in India but has no connection with any of the known > HESKINS families. So how she gained the name is a total mystery...There must > be a connection somewhere. The only possibility that I can think of is that > Mary's family was in contact with Francis Heskins WINTERBOTHAM, who had > been given his second name in honour of a family friend. This young man was > in India as a soldier,but died in one of the Afghan Wars. I need to check > the dates... > > I know that people are rather sniffy about Facebook but the groups I have > mentioned are well run and have an academic approach in dealing with valid > research. > > Janet HESKINS [2281] > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- sarah

Hi Barbara I've just heard from Susan that she is unable to help with a Guild stand at my mini Family Gathering. If I can find someone willing to man or woman it, would you be able to drop things off with Keri on your way back from Shrewsbury, please? I could then take them home with me on the Saturday evening. I need to know this before trying to find someone else to help... Wish I could come to Shrewsbury, hope that you have a good day. Kind regards Polly ----- Original Message ----- From: "B Griffiths via" <[email protected]> To: "GOONS [email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 8:32 AM Subject: [G] Shropshire FHS Family History Fair, 4th June Hello All The Guild will be represented at the Shropshire FHS Family History Fair, which is taking place next Saturday, 4th June, from 10am – 4pm, at The Shirehall, Shrewsbury. Jenni Turner and I are running the stand. A couple of the volunteers have unfortunately had to drop out so, if anyone else would like to come along and help, please contact me as soon as possible. There’s more information about the day, which includes two talks, on their events page at http://www.sfhs.org.uk/events/shropshire-fhs-fair-2016. Best wishes Barbara Griffiths Guild No 4004 Parry ONS _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

OK - and I had thought I had finished with his branch. However, I had looked at it over ten years ago and was not as rigorous then. It turns out that it is a case of inter-related families. Thomas LAKE (1825-1891) - Ann ? - William Wreford LAKE (1823-1875) - Louisa Richards - - Mary Tracy LAKE (1865-1942) m Philip Fulford KELLY (1863-1946) (son of William Wreford KELLY (1834-1909) and Sarah Jane FULFORD (1831-1922)) - - - Abiezer Wreford Rowe KELLY (1896-1986) - - - - Philip Fulford KELLY - - - - Mary Blanche KELLY - - - - - Christopher Wreford GRAY - - - Blanche Tracey KELLY (1898-1958) - - nine siblings - Jane Tracy LAKE (1825-1891) - Abiezer ROWE (1813-1897) - Thomas Rowe LAKE (1827- 1865) - Henry Fulford LAKE (1830-1873) So - my Wreford has come down from William Wreford LAKE and probably before since it is also used by William's son-in-law's father. My Uncle's Fulford has come down from Sarah Jane Fulford. Tracey is another name that could be said to have come down the generations. My Grandfather's ROWE has come down from his great Uncle but is also used by Thomas Rowe LAKE and so there is far more in that name to come. However, he would seem to have chosen to use it has a second surname at some times. I do have some fun ahead of me as I try and link these forenames. Chris -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Christopher.Gray via Sent: 29 May 2016 20:58 To: Goons <[email protected]> Subject: [G] A puzzle in Surrey with the Kelly clan Good evening, I have recently joined a Facebook site which is covering the area of Cheam, Epsom and Ewell (Surrey, England) - its Memories, Local History and Genealogy. My mother's father lived in the area and I was comfortable with my knowledge of him. He was Abiezer Wreford Rowe Kelly - born on 9th March 1896 in Lewisham (London). He married my Grandmother on 11th October 1922, but they divorced and he married Doris May Biden (Registered Surrey ME, Mar 1950). So far so good. All was well until someone on the Facebook site pointed out that xxx. Ummm. I understood that Doris had been the Lady Captain of the Epsom Golf Club but had found no confirmation. Someone else on the Facebook site identified a record which showed her as D.M. Rowe-Kelly. So I decided to look further. Going back to his name - the birth certificate says "Birth of Abiezer Wreford Kelly - son of Philip Fulford Kelly (Master Coach Builder) and Mary Tracey Kelly formerly Lake". I have both the Kelly and Lake families going way back - no mention of Rowe. His death certificate says death of "Abiezer Wreford Rowe Kelly on 6th January 1986, born 9th March 1896 in Devon ..." I had previously identified the marriage in FreeBMD - Marriage of Abiezer W R Kelly and Doris M Biden, Surrey Mid E 5g 418, Mar 1950 - with a duplicate entry showing her surname as Pym - indicating that she had two surnames. Sure enough, I had found her previous marriage - Marriage of Wilfred C Pym and Doris M Biden, Epsom 2a 33, Sep 1919. No mention of Rowe other than the initial R. My Mother's birth certificate says "Birth of Mary ... Kelly - daughter of Abiezer Wreford Rowe Kelly (Civil Servant - Post Office Engineering department) and Jane Esther Kelly formerly Lockyer." So Rowe has appeared - but from where? [I have not obtained her brother's birth certificate.] His entry on the WW1 medal roll was in the name of "KELLY Wreford" - though I am not 100% sure I have the right person - though do know he was in the Royal Field Artillery (photographs of him in his uniform). I can't find his service record. So - no help on those names. Doris' death is registered - Doris May Rowe Kelly, born 25 Dec 1899, Gipping and Hartismere 10 2577, Apr 1990. She is buried with my grandfather. The "find a grave" entry shows her as Doris May Kelly, born 25 Dec 1899 in Redruth (Cornwall), died 13 Apr 1990 in Old Newton (Suffolk) and spouse Abiezer Wreford R Kelly (1896-1986). So - where does the Rowe come from? Any ideas people? By the way - what I have found to date is on my web-site (http://www.gray-ons.org/secondsite/g0/p37.htm). By the way - there was a Doris May Rowe born in Cornwall in 1899, but she married a Percival G Allen in Highland Park, Wayne, Michigan, USA and so I have placed her on the back burner - being comfortable on the Biden.

The accommodation listing for the Cheltenham DNA seminar is now on the seminar page on the Guild website http://one-name.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Cheltenham-Accommodation-Listing-2016.pdf Regards, Alan Moorhouse [email protected] ----Original message---- >From : [email protected] Date : 29/05/2016 - 11:48 (GMTDT) To : [email protected] Subject : [G] Guild DNA seminar - Saturday August 13th 2016 After a few (self-created!) technical glitches booking is now open for the DNA seminar at Ullenwood near Cheltenham. Please see the events page on the Guild website orhttp://one-name.org/seminar_2016aug_cheltenham Kind regards Alan Moorhouse  [email protected] (on a Red Funnel ferry to the Isle of Wight) Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S5 smartphone.

Sometimes the first born son or daughter will have more names than subsequent children because they were family names they wished to commemorate and they may not have other children. This might also be the reason why girls receive male names and vice versa. Just found an Ernest Scott Jervis and Penelope Emma Tayleur having first child called Ernestine Emma Penelope and second Ernest C.S. (Scott), third Adela F. S. (Frances after wife's mother, followed again by Scott). I was only interested in proving that Ernestine was a second cousin and the executor of Alice Beatrice Leonie De Rosen Jervis who had died 1946 in Italy, so didn't need to trace Ernest Scott Jervis's descendants further. From Merryl Wells of Luton, Beds. E-Mail: [email protected] GOONS Mem. No. 1757 Reg. ONS: Bawtree; Gullick/ock, Moist/Moyst. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marie Byatt via" <[email protected]> To: "Jo Mason" <[email protected]>; "Christopher.Gray" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [G] A puzzle in Surrey with the Kelly clan >I would also look at prominent individuals in the area. One of my group >that carried Peploe as a middle name seems to have had a mother that was >unsure of his parentage. So he was baptised with her husband's surname and >got her employers name as a middle name. She was right to question - his >descendent Y-DNA tests as a Peploe not the husband's brand of markers > > Marie (GOONS 5318) Bringing the world together one surname at a time. 'A > Pepler Name' http://pepler.tribalpages.com 'Hedgerow - the Ancestors' > http://cranberry.tribalpages.com Pepler DNA Study > http://www.familytreedna.com/public/pepler-ow/ 'Scroops, Scropes and > Scroopes' http://dentonlk.tribalpages.com > 'Peplers and Peplows' pepler.one-name.net > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Jo Mason via <[email protected]> > To: Christopher.Gray <[email protected]>; [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 3:53 AM > Subject: Re: [G] A puzzle in Surrey with the Kelly clan > > > When looking for the reason why John Thomas Rivers Mason b.1848 had Rivers > I > found a neighbour in the census in the same road. No one else had 3 > forenames. Was he a friend or God parent? I have not found baptisms for > any > of the family. > > Cheers > > Jo > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I would also look at prominent individuals in the area. One of my group that carried Peploe as a middle name seems to have had a mother that was unsure of his parentage. So he was baptised with her husband's surname and got her employers name as a middle name. She was right to question - his descendent Y-DNA tests as a Peploe not the husband's brand of markers Marie (GOONS 5318) Bringing the world together one surname at a time. 'A Pepler Name' http://pepler.tribalpages.com 'Hedgerow - the Ancestors' http://cranberry.tribalpages.com Pepler DNA Study http://www.familytreedna.com/public/pepler-ow/ 'Scroops, Scropes and Scroopes' http://dentonlk.tribalpages.com 'Peplers and Peplows' pepler.one-name.net ________________________________ From: Jo Mason via <[email protected]> To: Christopher.Gray <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 3:53 AM Subject: Re: [G] A puzzle in Surrey with the Kelly clan When looking for the reason why John Thomas Rivers Mason b.1848 had Rivers I found a neighbour in the census in the same road. No one else had 3 forenames. Was he a friend or God parent? I have not found baptisms for any of the family. Cheers Jo _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

When looking for the reason why John Thomas Rivers Mason b.1848 had Rivers I found a neighbour in the census in the same road. No one else had 3 forenames. Was he a friend or God parent? I have not found baptisms for any of the family. Cheers Jo

That is an excellent idea John. I have heard of that type of behaviour before, but hadn't considered that for this - no idea why not. Now to find a suitable ROWE and so I will follow the suggestions posted before - neighbours of the family, business partners of father, etc, etc. Regards Chris -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of john titterton via Sent: 31 May 2016 01:15 To: 'Christopher.Gray' <[email protected]>; [email protected] Subject: Re: [G] A puzzle in Surrey with the Kelly clan Hi Is it possible that he used/took the name Rowe, perhaps as hyphenated with Kelly, to comply with the terms of a will to gain an inheritance. An uncle by marriage of mine was born William Aylesbrook Cuthbert, showing he was related to the Aylesbrook family. To inherit under the terms of the will of an Aylesebrook relative he changed his surname by deed poll (or whatever legal means) to become William Aylesbrook Aylesbrook. John John E Titterton BSc(Eng) MA FSA Ashbourne DE6 1SH -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Christopher.Gray via Sent: 29 May 2016 20:58 To: Goons <[email protected]> Subject: [G] A puzzle in Surrey with the Kelly clan Good evening, I have recently joined a Facebook site which is covering the area of Cheam, Epsom and Ewell (Surrey, England) - its Memories, Local History and Genealogy. My mother's father lived in the area and I was comfortable with my knowledge of him. He was Abiezer Wreford Rowe Kelly - born on 9th March 1896 in Lewisham (London). He married my Grandmother on 11th October 1922, but they divorced and he married Doris May Biden (Registered Surrey ME, Mar 1950). So far so good. All was well until someone on the Facebook site pointed out that xxx. Ummm. I understood that Doris had been the Lady Captain of the Epsom Golf Club but had found no confirmation. Someone else on the Facebook site identified a record which showed her as D.M. Rowe-Kelly. So I decided to look further. Going back to his name - the birth certificate says "Birth of Abiezer Wreford Kelly - son of Philip Fulford Kelly (Master Coach Builder) and Mary Tracey Kelly formerly Lake". I have both the Kelly and Lake families going way back - no mention of Rowe. His death certificate says death of "Abiezer Wreford Rowe Kelly on 6th January 1986, born 9th March 1896 in Devon ..." I had previously identified the marriage in FreeBMD - Marriage of Abiezer W R Kelly and Doris M Biden, Surrey Mid E 5g 418, Mar 1950 - with a duplicate entry showing her surname as Pym - indicating that she had two surnames. Sure enough, I had found her previous marriage - Marriage of Wilfred C Pym and Doris M Biden, Epsom 2a 33, Sep 1919. No mention of Rowe other than the initial R. My Mother's birth certificate says "Birth of Mary ... Kelly - daughter of Abiezer Wreford Rowe Kelly (Civil Servant - Post Office Engineering department) and Jane Esther Kelly formerly Lockyer." So Rowe has appeared - but from where? [I have not obtained her brother's birth certificate.] His entry on the WW1 medal roll was in the name of "KELLY Wreford" - though I am not 100% sure I have the right person - though do know he was in the Royal Field Artillery (photographs of him in his uniform). I can't find his service record. So - no help on those names. Doris' death is registered - Doris May Rowe Kelly, born 25 Dec 1899, Gipping and Hartismere 10 2577, Apr 1990. She is buried with my grandfather. The "find a grave" entry shows her as Doris May Kelly, born 25 Dec 1899 in Redruth (Cornwall), died 13 Apr 1990 in Old Newton (Suffolk) and spouse Abiezer Wreford R Kelly (1896-1986). So - where does the Rowe come from? Any ideas people? By the way - what I have found to date is on my web-site (http://www.gray-ons.org/secondsite/g0/p37.htm). By the way - there was a Doris May Rowe born in Cornwall in 1899, but she married a Percival G Allen in Highland Park, Wayne, Michigan, USA and so I have placed her on the back burner - being comfortable on the Biden. _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Is it possible that he used/took the name Rowe, perhaps as hyphenated with Kelly, to comply with the terms of a will to gain an inheritance. An uncle by marriage of mine was born William Aylesbrook Cuthbert, showing he was related to the Aylesbrook family. To inherit under the terms of the will of an Aylesebrook relative he changed his surname by deed poll (or whatever legal means) to become William Aylesbrook Aylesbrook. John John E Titterton BSc(Eng) MA FSA Ashbourne DE6 1SH -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Christopher.Gray via Sent: 29 May 2016 20:58 To: Goons <[email protected]> Subject: [G] A puzzle in Surrey with the Kelly clan Good evening, I have recently joined a Facebook site which is covering the area of Cheam, Epsom and Ewell (Surrey, England) - its Memories, Local History and Genealogy. My mother's father lived in the area and I was comfortable with my knowledge of him. He was Abiezer Wreford Rowe Kelly - born on 9th March 1896 in Lewisham (London). He married my Grandmother on 11th October 1922, but they divorced and he married Doris May Biden (Registered Surrey ME, Mar 1950). So far so good. All was well until someone on the Facebook site pointed out that xxx. Ummm. I understood that Doris had been the Lady Captain of the Epsom Golf Club but had found no confirmation. Someone else on the Facebook site identified a record which showed her as D.M. Rowe-Kelly. So I decided to look further. Going back to his name - the birth certificate says "Birth of Abiezer Wreford Kelly - son of Philip Fulford Kelly (Master Coach Builder) and Mary Tracey Kelly formerly Lake". I have both the Kelly and Lake families going way back - no mention of Rowe. His death certificate says death of "Abiezer Wreford Rowe Kelly on 6th January 1986, born 9th March 1896 in Devon ..." I had previously identified the marriage in FreeBMD - Marriage of Abiezer W R Kelly and Doris M Biden, Surrey Mid E 5g 418, Mar 1950 - with a duplicate entry showing her surname as Pym - indicating that she had two surnames. Sure enough, I had found her previous marriage - Marriage of Wilfred C Pym and Doris M Biden, Epsom 2a 33, Sep 1919. No mention of Rowe other than the initial R. My Mother's birth certificate says "Birth of Mary ... Kelly - daughter of Abiezer Wreford Rowe Kelly (Civil Servant - Post Office Engineering department) and Jane Esther Kelly formerly Lockyer." So Rowe has appeared - but from where? [I have not obtained her brother's birth certificate.] His entry on the WW1 medal roll was in the name of "KELLY Wreford" - though I am not 100% sure I have the right person - though do know he was in the Royal Field Artillery (photographs of him in his uniform). I can't find his service record. So - no help on those names. Doris' death is registered - Doris May Rowe Kelly, born 25 Dec 1899, Gipping and Hartismere 10 2577, Apr 1990. She is buried with my grandfather. The "find a grave" entry shows her as Doris May Kelly, born 25 Dec 1899 in Redruth (Cornwall), died 13 Apr 1990 in Old Newton (Suffolk) and spouse Abiezer Wreford R Kelly (1896-1986). So - where does the Rowe come from? Any ideas people? By the way - what I have found to date is on my web-site (http://www.gray-ons.org/secondsite/g0/p37.htm). By the way - there was a Doris May Rowe born in Cornwall in 1899, but she married a Percival G Allen in Highland Park, Wayne, Michigan, USA and so I have placed her on the back burner - being comfortable on the Biden. _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Barbara I had noted details of the Shropshire FHS Family History Fair a couple of months ago and marked it in my diary. I particularly wanted to follow up any references to Cureton families in Shropshire (and also Hereford). I will be there on Saturday and can help for part of the day, if that helps. Regards Bob Golder -----Original Message----- From: B Griffiths via Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 8:32 AM To: GOONS [email protected] Subject: [G] Shropshire FHS Family History Fair, 4th June Hello All The Guild will be represented at the Shropshire FHS Family History Fair, which is taking place next Saturday, 4th June, from 10am – 4pm, at The Shirehall, Shrewsbury. Jenni Turner and I are running the stand. A couple of the volunteers have unfortunately had to drop out so, if anyone else would like to come along and help, please contact me as soon as possible. There’s more information about the day, which includes two talks, on their events page at http://www.sfhs.org.uk/events/shropshire-fhs-fair-2016. Best wishes Barbara Griffiths Guild No 4004 Parry ONS _____________________________________________ RootsWeb lists - surnames, regions, software, etc: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello All The Guild will be represented at the Shropshire FHS Family History Fair, which is taking place next Saturday, 4th June, from 10am – 4pm, at The Shirehall, Shrewsbury. Jenni Turner and I are running the stand. A couple of the volunteers have unfortunately had to drop out so, if anyone else would like to come along and help, please contact me as soon as possible. There’s more information about the day, which includes two talks, on their events page at http://www.sfhs.org.uk/events/shropshire-fhs-fair-2016. Best wishes Barbara Griffiths Guild No 4004 Parry ONS