OK, got it now - sorry. Most of my UK Pullums are in the "Administrative County" of London but other historic counties as only one or two in the City of London. I end up with some that are in Middlesex, nearer to Surrey or Essex, than parts of Middlesex in the west - I think I will need to use more maps to show the distribution. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Treeby" <treeby@ttenterprises.co.uk> To: goons@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 11 March, 2017 4:16:14 PM Subject: Re: [G] Place Names Just to repeat so no one is in any doubt. the "Historic County" Boundaries WERE NOT CHANGED in 1974. What was changed was the "Administrative County" Boundary. So Bath is still in the "Historic County" of Somerset as it always has been. But yes will of moved from the "Administrative County" of Somerset to the "Administrative County" of Avon to the "Administrative County" of Bath & North East Somerset. So when applying the term "County" need to be absolutely sure if talking about an "Historic County" or an "Administrative County". So where records are to be found could depend on which "Administrative County" a particular place was in at a certain time. But it will still never of moved from the "Historic County". So when doing recording of places need to be sure if you are referring to the "Historic" or the "Administrative" County. I suspect that most of us use the "Historic County" when recording the places. Except possibly for London. As the "Administrative County" of London is made up of parts of Middlesex,Surrey,Kent,Essex etc and it's Boundaries constantly change. But is constituent parts are still within the old "Historic Counties" Tim Treeby. On 11/03/2017 14:00, Roger Goacher wrote: > Like it Ken. > > But hey, there is no 'right' way. We are researching as a hobby not, > usually, as some academic exercise. Do what suits you. I almost > always use Chapman codes, State and Province codes. Why not? I know > what they mean, and don't get confused. > > My wife was born in Bath, Somerset UK. We married in Bath, Avon UK, > and my in-laws subsequently died in Bath, BANES (Bath and North East > Somerset) UK. All the same place; different times; different > designations. My records show, for all four events on UK exclusive > tree, 'Bath SOM' - suits me. > > Roger Goacher > Researching the surname Goacher & variants anytime anywhere > www.goacher.org > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _____________________________________________ RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Nikki Brown #6552 Pullum ONS https://pullumons.wordpress.com

Just to repeat so no one is in any doubt. the "Historic County" Boundaries WERE NOT CHANGED in 1974. What was changed was the "Administrative County" Boundary. So Bath is still in the "Historic County" of Somerset as it always has been. But yes will of moved from the "Administrative County" of Somerset to the "Administrative County" of Avon to the "Administrative County" of Bath & North East Somerset. So when applying the term "County" need to be absolutely sure if talking about an "Historic County" or an "Administrative County". So where records are to be found could depend on which "Administrative County" a particular place was in at a certain time. But it will still never of moved from the "Historic County". So when doing recording of places need to be sure if you are referring to the "Historic" or the "Administrative" County. I suspect that most of us use the "Historic County" when recording the places. Except possibly for London. As the "Administrative County" of London is made up of parts of Middlesex,Surrey,Kent,Essex etc and it's Boundaries constantly change. But is constituent parts are still within the old "Historic Counties" Tim Treeby. On 11/03/2017 14:00, Roger Goacher wrote: > Like it Ken. > > But hey, there is no 'right' way. We are researching as a hobby not, > usually, as some academic exercise. Do what suits you. I almost > always use Chapman codes, State and Province codes. Why not? I know > what they mean, and don't get confused. > > My wife was born in Bath, Somerset UK. We married in Bath, Avon UK, > and my in-laws subsequently died in Bath, BANES (Bath and North East > Somerset) UK. All the same place; different times; different > designations. My records show, for all four events on UK exclusive > tree, 'Bath SOM' - suits me. > > Roger Goacher > Researching the surname Goacher & variants anytime anywhere > www.goacher.org > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Thanks Chris I searched all around there to no avail -----Original Message----- From: GOONS [mailto:goons-bounces+registrar=lawsfamilyregister.org.uk@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Chris Pitt Lewis Sent: 11 March 2017 15:52 To: goons@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G] Place Names Googling "Vultures Nest" and "Herefordshire" leads to this page: www.r5r.eu/awir/Whitney/WhitneyBulloughNWS.doc from which it appears that it was a house, now ruined, in the middle of Whitney Wood, west of Whitney on Wye and just north of the toll bridge that leads from the A438 to Hay on Wye. Chris Pitt Lewis On 11/03/2017 15:06, John P Laws wrote: > Just occasionally one comes across a place name one can't fathom, I'm > currently indexing from 1939 register and recently came across a > Vultures Nest, Kington RD HER UK > > As to this string my conclusion is Roger & Ken have it about right, I > like to use pre 1974 counties and love chapman codes and am very > tempted to return to them, they served me well for 30-40 years. > > -----Original Message----- > From: GOONS > [mailto:goons-bounces+registrar=lawsfamilyregister.org.uk@rootsweb.com > ] On Behalf Of Roger Goacher > Sent: 11 March 2017 14:01 > To: goons@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [G] Place Names > > Like it Ken. > > But hey, there is no 'right' way. We are researching as a hobby not, > usually, as some academic exercise. Do what suits you. I almost > always use Chapman codes, State and Province codes. Why not? I know > what they mean, and don't get confused. > > My wife was born in Bath, Somerset UK. We married in Bath, Avon UK, > and my in-laws subsequently died in Bath, BANES (Bath and North East Somerset) UK. > All the same place; different times; different designations. My > records show, for all four events on UK exclusive tree, 'Bath SOM' - suits me. > > Roger Goacher > Researching the surname Goacher & variants anytime anywhere > www.goacher.org > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Toll > Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 10:33 AM > To: Goons mailing list > Subject: Re: [G] Place Names > > Marie, > > Just a contrary thought... > > - IF - I leave the locations somewhat ambiguous, perhaps visitors > will get in touch, rather than rob the data and run! > > ...And just maybe I'll learn something from their research as well... > > Ken > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? > http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? > http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _____________________________________________ RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Googling "Vultures Nest" and "Herefordshire" leads to this page: www.r5r.eu/awir/Whitney/WhitneyBulloughNWS.doc from which it appears that it was a house, now ruined, in the middle of Whitney Wood, west of Whitney on Wye and just north of the toll bridge that leads from the A438 to Hay on Wye. Chris Pitt Lewis On 11/03/2017 15:06, John P Laws wrote: > Just occasionally one comes across a place name one can't fathom, I'm > currently indexing from 1939 register and recently came across a Vultures > Nest, Kington RD HER UK > > As to this string my conclusion is Roger & Ken have it about right, I like > to use pre 1974 counties and love chapman codes and am very tempted to > return to them, they served me well for 30-40 years. > > -----Original Message----- > From: GOONS > [mailto:goons-bounces+registrar=lawsfamilyregister.org.uk@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Roger Goacher > Sent: 11 March 2017 14:01 > To: goons@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [G] Place Names > > Like it Ken. > > But hey, there is no 'right' way. We are researching as a hobby not, > usually, as some academic exercise. Do what suits you. I almost always use > Chapman codes, State and Province codes. Why not? I know what they mean, > and don't get confused. > > My wife was born in Bath, Somerset UK. We married in Bath, Avon UK, and my > in-laws subsequently died in Bath, BANES (Bath and North East Somerset) UK. > All the same place; different times; different designations. My records > show, for all four events on UK exclusive tree, 'Bath SOM' - suits me. > > Roger Goacher > Researching the surname Goacher & variants anytime anywhere www.goacher.org > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Toll > Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 10:33 AM > To: Goons mailing list > Subject: Re: [G] Place Names > > Marie, > > Just a contrary thought... > > - IF - I leave the locations somewhat ambiguous, perhaps visitors will get > in touch, rather than rob the data and run! > > ...And just maybe I'll learn something from their research as well... > > Ken > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? > http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? > http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Just occasionally one comes across a place name one can't fathom, I'm currently indexing from 1939 register and recently came across a Vultures Nest, Kington RD HER UK As to this string my conclusion is Roger & Ken have it about right, I like to use pre 1974 counties and love chapman codes and am very tempted to return to them, they served me well for 30-40 years. -----Original Message----- From: GOONS [mailto:goons-bounces+registrar=lawsfamilyregister.org.uk@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Roger Goacher Sent: 11 March 2017 14:01 To: goons@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G] Place Names Like it Ken. But hey, there is no 'right' way. We are researching as a hobby not, usually, as some academic exercise. Do what suits you. I almost always use Chapman codes, State and Province codes. Why not? I know what they mean, and don't get confused. My wife was born in Bath, Somerset UK. We married in Bath, Avon UK, and my in-laws subsequently died in Bath, BANES (Bath and North East Somerset) UK. All the same place; different times; different designations. My records show, for all four events on UK exclusive tree, 'Bath SOM' - suits me. Roger Goacher Researching the surname Goacher & variants anytime anywhere www.goacher.org -----Original Message----- From: Ken Toll Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 10:33 AM To: Goons mailing list Subject: Re: [G] Place Names Marie, Just a contrary thought... - IF - I leave the locations somewhat ambiguous, perhaps visitors will get in touch, rather than rob the data and run! ...And just maybe I'll learn something from their research as well... Ken --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _____________________________________________ RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

For Irish placenames I put town (or townland, if appropriate), county, country - e.g. Drumcarey, Cavan, Ireland. If I only know the county I just put, e.g. Cavan, Ireland. If I have two townlands of the same name in the same county, I add additional information so that I can distinguish one from the other. Just yesterday I had torrid time trying to disentangle Doogary, Roscommon, Ireland from Doogary, Roscommon, Ireland. I usually use the site townlands.ie and/or logainm.ie, but in this case each site only recorded one of the two townlands, and it wasn't the same one! The choices for additional information are one of barony, civil parish or PLU / Registration District. Like Corinne, I don't put detailed street information with the main place-name, but in a Detail field. I only use Chapman codes in the spreadsheets or notes I compile for my own use, just because it's quicker, but I never use them in anything intended for public view. I tend to have problems with US place-names where I'm never quite sure how much detail I should include - I usually put town(ship), county, state, country, but is this necessary for large cities? Is Boston, Massachusetts all in one county, for instance? Fíona Tipple # 5538 Sent from my iPad > On 11 Mar 2017, at 09:48, Corinne Curtis <corinneinorkney@gmail.com> wrote: > > I have got hopelessly inconsistent with my place names, and it is on > my list to gradually go through all and replace with unabbreviated > names. One thing I do wonder about is whether I should be adding in > "county" (or similar terms) to parts of addresses. For example > Wexford, Wexford, Ireland, or Wexford, County Wexford, Ireland? > I've also generally avoided putting in street or house addresses to > the general address fields, preferring to keep them within the notes > field, so for example my birthplace would be Shipston-on-Stour, > Warwickshire, England, rather than Eileen Badger Memorial Hospital, > etc... I feel this makes the index more easily searchable, even if it > does lose a bit of detail, and gets around the issue of not knowing > whether to put for example the home address or the hospital address > for a birth or death (or how to put both in a single field). > > Corinne Curtis #5579 > >> On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 9:15 AM, W. Paul Featherstone <wpaulf@gmail.com> wrote: >> John, >> >> It's a good tip for new starters not to use abbreviations, since Geo Coding >> will not work, I am slowly working through my 47,000+ places. You should >> find if you operate a system of doing this your Database size should also be >> reduced since places are amalgamated in most data structures. >> >> I am still using Chapman codes for quickness in finding BMD registrations, >> mainly because my database contains some 77,000+ names. However I change to >> full places when I find a BMD full record. >> >> For interest I have 4,262 Names contain John's and not one Coldwell:-) >> >> >> Paul (2627) >> >> >> >>> On 11/3/17 09:01 AM, John Keith Coldwell wrote: >>> >>> Andy >>> The difficulty with the Wortley place name is that there is the >>> District by Penistone and the suburb of Leeds. Both West Riding unless >>> recent references. Maybe if it refers to the district then it could be >>> named Wortley District (which is definitive and can be looked up on a >>> website) and if the village: Wortley, Penistone, YWR or if the suburb >>> Wortley, Leeds YWR. There may be other Wortley places... >>> As it happens I was at school in Penistone and used to do winter time >>> cross country runs in the snow around Wortley. >>> Is the answer to adopt a standard glossary of places eg Ancestry.com >>> although I would not offer to go back and change the thousends of >>> names in my database. >>> John >>> >>> On 11 March 2017 at 07:21, Andy Micklethwaite <andy.mick@googlemail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Thanks for explaining it, Paul. It's on my to-do list - which is getting >>>> longer, not shorter! >>>> >>>> Any thoughts on which would be better: >>>> - Wortley Yorkshire >>>> - Wortley WRY >>>> >>>> Andy >>>> >>>> At 01:07 11/03/2017, you wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I think Marie, is trying to get across to those with web sites, or any >>>>> form of database, that it is important to make sure that you put place names >>>>> in full, otherwise you are putting yourself in grave jeopardy of misleading >>>>> those looking at the information you are recording. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Paul >>>> >>>> _____________________________________________ >>>> >>>> RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? >>>> http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >>>> the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? >> http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >> the subject and the body of the message > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? > http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Like it Ken. But hey, there is no 'right' way. We are researching as a hobby not, usually, as some academic exercise. Do what suits you. I almost always use Chapman codes, State and Province codes. Why not? I know what they mean, and don't get confused. My wife was born in Bath, Somerset UK. We married in Bath, Avon UK, and my in-laws subsequently died in Bath, BANES (Bath and North East Somerset) UK. All the same place; different times; different designations. My records show, for all four events on UK exclusive tree, 'Bath SOM' - suits me. Roger Goacher Researching the surname Goacher & variants anytime anywhere www.goacher.org -----Original Message----- From: Ken Toll Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 10:33 AM To: Goons mailing list Subject: Re: [G] Place Names Marie, Just a contrary thought... - IF - I leave the locations somewhat ambiguous, perhaps visitors will get in touch, rather than rob the data and run! ...And just maybe I'll learn something from their research as well... Ken --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

The benefit of Chapman Codes they were consistent and took up very little Space but sadly haven't been adopted universally throughout the genealogical world. I am in the process of rewriting place names in full having used Chapman Codes throughout the world over the last forty years of research. RootsMagic will find and replace but be careful cos you can't rely on it to be consistent. The benefit of RootsMagic you are given two fields to enter place name, and Street, institution etc., John -----Original Message----- From: GOONS [mailto:goons-bounces+registrar=lawsfamilyregister.org.uk@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of W. Paul Featherstone Sent: 11 March 2017 11:33 To: goons@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G] Place Names My Software has the ability to date the places- not that I've used it yet, but I am hardly up to 1974 in very few, which is where the main place changes in my UK based people will occur. I need to get up to speed in US place changes Paul 2627 On 11/3/17 10:30 AM, Geoff Chew wrote: > Yes, of course. But that can lead to confusion too. Think of Central > Europe. My own inclination is to start with the period name and add > the modern name in brackets (remembering that the modern name is also > unlikely to be fixed for ever) ... so Vryheid, Nieuwe Republiek (now > Vryheid, KwaZulu-Natal, South Africa) ... or Königsberg, East Prussia > (now Kaliningrad, Russian enclave of Kaliningrad Oblast) .... or > Pozsony, Austria-Hungary (now Bratislava, Slovakia) ... or Lwów, > Poland (now Lviv, Ukraine) etc etc.... > Geoff > > On 11 March 2017 at 10:13, W. Paul Featherstone <wpaulf@gmail.com> wrote: >> But Geoff you would record all the places as found? Yes!! >> >> Well I would, I had the same experience the other day with Kegworth, >> Derbyshire and Leicestershire >> >> Paul >> >> 2627 >> >> >> >> On 11/3/17 10:02 AM, Geoff Chew wrote: >>> On 11 Mar 2017, at 09:01, John Keith Coldwell >>> <johnkcoldwell@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> Is the answer to adopt a standard glossary of places eg >>>> Ancestry.com although I would not offer to go back and change the >>>> thousends of names in my database. >>> If one needs to standardize place names, Family Historian does make >>> it easy to edit thousands of occurrences through a database across the board. >>> But I think some discretion is needed. There is one case in my >>> extended family where a 19th-century forebear had 5 marriages all in >>> the same place (they were Zulu tribal marriages, so polygamous). The >>> place in question, Vryheid now in northern KwaZulu-Natal, South >>> Africa, was in different jurisdictions for 4 of the marriages, the >>> Kingdom of Zululand, the short-lived New Republic (a secessionist >>> Boer republic), the (Boer) South African Republic, and finally the >>> Colony of Natal. (He died before it became a 5th jurisdiction, the >>> Union of South Africa.) Any understanding of the history of the >>> family would be erased if one standardized the name of the place, >>> because he died intestate and the white family tried to argue that >>> the marriages had not been legal - the argument turning of course on >>> their legality under the various jurisdictions - in order to >>> dispossess the black wives and get their hands on his money. Fortunately, they seem not to have succeeded. >>> >>> Geoff Chew 5389 >>> _____________________________________________ >>> >>> RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? >>> http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? >> http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi List, I for one hate abbreviations. We were never allowed to use them back in my nursing days because of the possible mix ups that could come about. When it comes to my genealogy I always use the town name, county name,country. So Mr.Blogs was born in Whoop-whoop, near Thunder Box, Western Australia. Or born in Blue Town, Kent, England. Regards Ann Spiro Guild ONS Representative for WA & NT. rep-australia-north-west@one-name.org Guild registered surnames: BASKETT; BRIGGS  http://www.one-name.org/ Baskett DNA Project: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Baskett

I suppose it depends to some extent how old you are, if you were born after 1974, you would not know the old system. If you are consistent, then maybe it's OK, but I think you should record what you find. Which is why I have different set ups for places around the world, So Canada has Details, Town, County, Province, and Country. USA has Detail, Town/City, County, State, Country, and so on. But not all software is that flexible. Paul 2627 On 11/3/17 10:17 AM, Andy Micklethwaite wrote: > Thanks Richard and John for the advice. > > Mine are from Wortley, South Yorkshire - now how about that for confusing the administrative districts :-) > > And my Tetleys aren't from Wortley (Halifax and Barnsley, both West Riding of Yorkshire) > > Andy > > At 09:57 11/03/2017, you wrote: >> You may also need to be aware that the Wortley registration area near Penistone was very large, and parts of the north of what I would consider parts of Sheffield fell into Wortley, even though it is miles from Wortley village itself. This is probably because Wortley inherited parts of the Ecclesfield parish at one time. >> >> My father's birth which was at Hillsborough, Sheffield in 1926, was registered in Wortley. >> >> regards >> Richard >> >> >> On 11/03/2017 09:01, John Keith Coldwell wrote: >>> Andy >>> The difficulty with the Wortley place name is that there is the >>> District by Penistone and the suburb of Leeds. Both West Riding unless >>> recent references. Maybe if it refers to the district then it could be >>> named Wortley District (which is definitive and can be looked up on a >>> website) and if the village: Wortley, Penistone, YWR or if the suburb >>> Wortley, Leeds YWR. There may be other Wortley places... >> snipped >> _____________________________________________ >> >> RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? >> http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? > http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good point. As far as I understand it, historic Middlesex is now almost entirely in London but some parts were "moved" to Surrey but Middlesex is still used in some postcodes. I suppose you are right but it feels odd to have some parts of inner London under Middlesex and people searching may not find them. > Nikki Brown > #6552 > Pullum ONS > https://pullumons.wordpress.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Treeby" <treeby@ttenterprises.co.uk> To: goons@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 11 March, 2017 10:29:36 AM Subject: Re: [G] Place Names Hi Nikki, It all depends on your meaning of Middlesex. I.e are you talking about the "Historic County of Middlesex" or the "Administrative County of Middlesex". The "Historic Counties" are all still in existent and their borders have not changed. (I know some places have moved to different Counties, but only very rarely and then possibly only the once) "Administrative Counties" on the other hand change all the time. So eg. Liverpool has always been in the "Historic County of Lancashire" and still is. In 1974 was put into the "Administrative County of Mersyside". See http://www.gazetteer.org.uk/index.php for more detail and better explaination. And especially read the Notes for Historians. Personally I try to put keep every place in the UK, in the "Historic County". Tim Treeby GOONS : 7112 On 11/03/2017 10:17, NIKKI BROWN wrote: > Hi > An nice start to an interesting discussion. My mind went completely down the wrong route! > I feel I am among many who have a long list to get "up to date" by making them in full rather than shortened or abbreviated. > One area I am having problems with is that most of my ONS in the UK come from a small area, however Middlesex has shrunk and London has grown but a family is in the same place, just the borders moved around them (also happened to me as a child but Essex to London). I am never sure of the right way to record this. Also sometimes the border appears to move back and forth due to mis recording and transcription being updated incorrectly. > It means when I compare censuses the counties of residence is not right. > > Nikki Brown > #6552 > Pullum ONS > https://pullumons.wordpress.com > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _____________________________________________ RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Nikki Brown #6552 Pullum ONS https://pullumons.wordpress.com

My Software has the ability to date the places- not that I've used it yet, but I am hardly up to 1974 in very few, which is where the main place changes in my UK based people will occur. I need to get up to speed in US place changes Paul 2627 On 11/3/17 10:30 AM, Geoff Chew wrote: > Yes, of course. But that can lead to confusion too. Think of Central > Europe. My own inclination is to start with the period name and add > the modern name in brackets (remembering that the modern name is also > unlikely to be fixed for ever) ... so Vryheid, Nieuwe Republiek (now > Vryheid, KwaZulu-Natal, South Africa) ... or Königsberg, East Prussia > (now Kaliningrad, Russian enclave of Kaliningrad Oblast) .... or > Pozsony, Austria-Hungary (now Bratislava, Slovakia) ... or Lwów, > Poland (now Lviv, Ukraine) etc etc.... > Geoff > > On 11 March 2017 at 10:13, W. Paul Featherstone <wpaulf@gmail.com> wrote: >> But Geoff you would record all the places as found? Yes!! >> >> Well I would, I had the same experience the other day with Kegworth, >> Derbyshire and Leicestershire >> >> Paul >> >> 2627 >> >> >> >> On 11/3/17 10:02 AM, Geoff Chew wrote: >>> On 11 Mar 2017, at 09:01, John Keith Coldwell <johnkcoldwell@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> Is the answer to adopt a standard glossary of places eg Ancestry.com >>>> although I would not offer to go back and change the thousends of >>>> names in my database. >>> If one needs to standardize place names, Family Historian does make it >>> easy to edit thousands of occurrences through a database across the board. >>> But I think some discretion is needed. There is one case in my extended >>> family where a 19th-century forebear had 5 marriages all in the same place >>> (they were Zulu tribal marriages, so polygamous). The place in question, >>> Vryheid now in northern KwaZulu-Natal, South Africa, was in different >>> jurisdictions for 4 of the marriages, the Kingdom of Zululand, the >>> short-lived New Republic (a secessionist Boer republic), the (Boer) South >>> African Republic, and finally the Colony of Natal. (He died before it became >>> a 5th jurisdiction, the Union of South Africa.) Any understanding of the >>> history of the family would be erased if one standardized the name of the >>> place, because he died intestate and the white family tried to argue that >>> the marriages had not been legal - the argument turning of course on their >>> legality under the various jurisdictions - in order to dispossess the black >>> wives and get their hands on his money. Fortunately, they seem not to have >>> succeeded. >>> >>> Geoff Chew 5389 >>> _____________________________________________ >>> >>> RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? >>> http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >>> the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? >> http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >> the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi All I agree, the historic counties are the most consistent. As far as my research is concerned, West Ham is in Essex, Southwark is in Surrey, and Greenwich is in Kent. Otherwise, as Nikki says, people seem to move, while actually staying in the same place, which is not helpful. June Willing Guild of One-Name Studies member no 2117 Willing/Willings One-Name Study http://one-name.org/name_profile/Willing/ Willing/Willings DNA Project https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/willing Dominicus One-Name Study http://one-name.org/name_profile/dominicus/ > On 11 Mar 2017, at 10:29, Tim Treeby <treeby@ttenterprises.co.uk> wrote: > > Hi Nikki, > It all depends on your meaning of Middlesex. > I.e are you talking about the "Historic County of Middlesex" or the "Administrative County of Middlesex". > > The "Historic Counties" are all still in existent and their borders have not changed. (I know some places have moved to different Counties, but only very rarely and then possibly only the once) > "Administrative Counties" on the other hand change all the time. > > So eg. Liverpool has always been in the "Historic County of Lancashire" and still is. In 1974 was put into the "Administrative County of Mersyside". > > See http://www.gazetteer.org.uk/index.php for more detail and better explaination. And especially read the Notes for Historians. > > Personally I try to put keep every place in the UK, in the "Historic County". > > Tim Treeby > GOONS : 7112 > > On 11/03/2017 10:17, NIKKI BROWN wrote: >> Hi >> An nice start to an interesting discussion. My mind went completely down the wrong route! >> I feel I am among many who have a long list to get "up to date" by making them in full rather than shortened or abbreviated. >> One area I am having problems with is that most of my ONS in the UK come from a small area, however Middlesex has shrunk and London has grown but a family is in the same place, just the borders moved around them (also happened to me as a child but Essex to London). I am never sure of the right way to record this. Also sometimes the border appears to move back and forth due to mis recording and transcription being updated incorrectly. >> It means when I compare censuses the counties of residence is not right. >> >> Nikki Brown >> #6552 >> Pullum ONS >> https://pullumons.wordpress.com >> > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? > http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Marie, Just a contrary thought... - IF - I leave the locations somewhat ambiguous, perhaps visitors will get in touch, rather than rob the data and run! ...And just maybe I'll learn something from their research as well... Ken On 11 March 2017 at 10:17, NIKKI BROWN <nikki.wabit@tesco.net> wrote: > Hi > An nice start to an interesting discussion. My mind went completely down the wrong route! > I feel I am among many who have a long list to get "up to date" by making them in full rather than shortened or abbreviated. > One area I am having problems with is that most of my ONS in the UK come from a small area, however Middlesex has shrunk and London has grown but a family is in the same place, just the borders moved around them (also happened to me as a child but Essex to London). I am never sure of the right way to record this. Also sometimes the border appears to move back and forth due to mis recording and transcription being updated incorrectly. > It means when I compare censuses the counties of residence is not right. > > Nikki Brown > #6552 > Pullum ONS > https://pullumons.wordpress.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Corinne Curtis" <corinneinorkney@gmail.com> > To: goons@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, 11 March, 2017 9:48:37 AM > Subject: Re: [G] Place Names > > I have got hopelessly inconsistent with my place names, and it is on > my list to gradually go through all and replace with unabbreviated > names. One thing I do wonder about is whether I should be adding in > "county" (or similar terms) to parts of addresses. For example > Wexford, Wexford, Ireland, or Wexford, County Wexford, Ireland? > I've also generally avoided putting in street or house addresses to > the general address fields, preferring to keep them within the notes > field, so for example my birthplace would be Shipston-on-Stour, > Warwickshire, England, rather than Eileen Badger Memorial Hospital, > etc... I feel this makes the index more easily searchable, even if it > does lose a bit of detail, and gets around the issue of not knowing > whether to put for example the home address or the hospital address > for a birth or death (or how to put both in a single field). > > Corinne Curtis #5579 > > On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 9:15 AM, W. Paul Featherstone <wpaulf@gmail.com> wrote: >> John, >> >> It's a good tip for new starters not to use abbreviations, since Geo Coding >> will not work, I am slowly working through my 47,000+ places. You should >> find if you operate a system of doing this your Database size should also be >> reduced since places are amalgamated in most data structures. >> >> I am still using Chapman codes for quickness in finding BMD registrations, >> mainly because my database contains some 77,000+ names. However I change to >> full places when I find a BMD full record. >> >> For interest I have 4,262 Names contain John's and not one Coldwell:-) >> >> >> Paul (2627) >> >> >> >> On 11/3/17 09:01 AM, John Keith Coldwell wrote: >>> >>> Andy >>> The difficulty with the Wortley place name is that there is the >>> District by Penistone and the suburb of Leeds. Both West Riding unless >>> recent references. Maybe if it refers to the district then it could be >>> named Wortley District (which is definitive and can be looked up on a >>> website) and if the village: Wortley, Penistone, YWR or if the suburb >>> Wortley, Leeds YWR. There may be other Wortley places... >>> As it happens I was at school in Penistone and used to do winter time >>> cross country runs in the snow around Wortley. >>> Is the answer to adopt a standard glossary of places eg Ancestry.com >>> although I would not offer to go back and change the thousends of >>> names in my database. >>> John >>> >>> On 11 March 2017 at 07:21, Andy Micklethwaite <andy.mick@googlemail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Thanks for explaining it, Paul. It's on my to-do list - which is getting >>>> longer, not shorter! >>>> >>>> Any thoughts on which would be better: >>>> - Wortley Yorkshire >>>> - Wortley WRY >>>> >>>> Andy >>>> >>>> At 01:07 11/03/2017, you wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I think Marie, is trying to get across to those with web sites, or any >>>>> form of database, that it is important to make sure that you put place names >>>>> in full, otherwise you are putting yourself in grave jeopardy of misleading >>>>> those looking at the information you are recording. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Paul >>>> >>>> _____________________________________________ >>>> >>>> RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? >>>> http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >>>> the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? >> http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >> the subject and the body of the message > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? > http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > Nikki Brown > #6552 > Pullum ONS > https://pullumons.wordpress.com > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? > http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, of course. But that can lead to confusion too. Think of Central Europe. My own inclination is to start with the period name and add the modern name in brackets (remembering that the modern name is also unlikely to be fixed for ever) ... so Vryheid, Nieuwe Republiek (now Vryheid, KwaZulu-Natal, South Africa) ... or Königsberg, East Prussia (now Kaliningrad, Russian enclave of Kaliningrad Oblast) .... or Pozsony, Austria-Hungary (now Bratislava, Slovakia) ... or Lwów, Poland (now Lviv, Ukraine) etc etc.... Geoff On 11 March 2017 at 10:13, W. Paul Featherstone <wpaulf@gmail.com> wrote: > But Geoff you would record all the places as found? Yes!! > > Well I would, I had the same experience the other day with Kegworth, > Derbyshire and Leicestershire > > Paul > > 2627 > > > > On 11/3/17 10:02 AM, Geoff Chew wrote: >> >> On 11 Mar 2017, at 09:01, John Keith Coldwell <johnkcoldwell@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> Is the answer to adopt a standard glossary of places eg Ancestry.com >>> although I would not offer to go back and change the thousends of >>> names in my database. >> >> If one needs to standardize place names, Family Historian does make it >> easy to edit thousands of occurrences through a database across the board. >> But I think some discretion is needed. There is one case in my extended >> family where a 19th-century forebear had 5 marriages all in the same place >> (they were Zulu tribal marriages, so polygamous). The place in question, >> Vryheid now in northern KwaZulu-Natal, South Africa, was in different >> jurisdictions for 4 of the marriages, the Kingdom of Zululand, the >> short-lived New Republic (a secessionist Boer republic), the (Boer) South >> African Republic, and finally the Colony of Natal. (He died before it became >> a 5th jurisdiction, the Union of South Africa.) Any understanding of the >> history of the family would be erased if one standardized the name of the >> place, because he died intestate and the white family tried to argue that >> the marriages had not been legal - the argument turning of course on their >> legality under the various jurisdictions - in order to dispossess the black >> wives and get their hands on his money. Fortunately, they seem not to have >> succeeded. >> >> Geoff Chew 5389 >> _____________________________________________ >> >> RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? >> http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >> the subject and the body of the message > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? > http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message -- Geoff Chew geoffchew1@gmail.com

Hi Nikki, It all depends on your meaning of Middlesex. I.e are you talking about the "Historic County of Middlesex" or the "Administrative County of Middlesex". The "Historic Counties" are all still in existent and their borders have not changed. (I know some places have moved to different Counties, but only very rarely and then possibly only the once) "Administrative Counties" on the other hand change all the time. So eg. Liverpool has always been in the "Historic County of Lancashire" and still is. In 1974 was put into the "Administrative County of Mersyside". See http://www.gazetteer.org.uk/index.php for more detail and better explaination. And especially read the Notes for Historians. Personally I try to put keep every place in the UK, in the "Historic County". Tim Treeby GOONS : 7112 On 11/03/2017 10:17, NIKKI BROWN wrote: > Hi > An nice start to an interesting discussion. My mind went completely down the wrong route! > I feel I am among many who have a long list to get "up to date" by making them in full rather than shortened or abbreviated. > One area I am having problems with is that most of my ONS in the UK come from a small area, however Middlesex has shrunk and London has grown but a family is in the same place, just the borders moved around them (also happened to me as a child but Essex to London). I am never sure of the right way to record this. Also sometimes the border appears to move back and forth due to mis recording and transcription being updated incorrectly. > It means when I compare censuses the counties of residence is not right. > > Nikki Brown > #6552 > Pullum ONS > https://pullumons.wordpress.com > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Thanks Richard and John for the advice. Mine are from Wortley, South Yorkshire - now how about that for confusing the administrative districts :-) And my Tetleys aren't from Wortley (Halifax and Barnsley, both West Riding of Yorkshire) Andy At 09:57 11/03/2017, you wrote: >You may also need to be aware that the Wortley registration area near Penistone was very large, and parts of the north of what I would consider parts of Sheffield fell into Wortley, even though it is miles from Wortley village itself. This is probably because Wortley inherited parts of the Ecclesfield parish at one time. > >My father's birth which was at Hillsborough, Sheffield in 1926, was registered in Wortley. > >regards >Richard > > >On 11/03/2017 09:01, John Keith Coldwell wrote: >>Andy >>The difficulty with the Wortley place name is that there is the >>District by Penistone and the suburb of Leeds. Both West Riding unless >>recent references. Maybe if it refers to the district then it could be >>named Wortley District (which is definitive and can be looked up on a >>website) and if the village: Wortley, Penistone, YWR or if the suburb >>Wortley, Leeds YWR. There may be other Wortley places... >snipped >_____________________________________________ > >RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? >http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi An nice start to an interesting discussion. My mind went completely down the wrong route! I feel I am among many who have a long list to get "up to date" by making them in full rather than shortened or abbreviated. One area I am having problems with is that most of my ONS in the UK come from a small area, however Middlesex has shrunk and London has grown but a family is in the same place, just the borders moved around them (also happened to me as a child but Essex to London). I am never sure of the right way to record this. Also sometimes the border appears to move back and forth due to mis recording and transcription being updated incorrectly. It means when I compare censuses the counties of residence is not right. Nikki Brown #6552 Pullum ONS https://pullumons.wordpress.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Corinne Curtis" <corinneinorkney@gmail.com> To: goons@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 11 March, 2017 9:48:37 AM Subject: Re: [G] Place Names I have got hopelessly inconsistent with my place names, and it is on my list to gradually go through all and replace with unabbreviated names. One thing I do wonder about is whether I should be adding in "county" (or similar terms) to parts of addresses. For example Wexford, Wexford, Ireland, or Wexford, County Wexford, Ireland? I've also generally avoided putting in street or house addresses to the general address fields, preferring to keep them within the notes field, so for example my birthplace would be Shipston-on-Stour, Warwickshire, England, rather than Eileen Badger Memorial Hospital, etc... I feel this makes the index more easily searchable, even if it does lose a bit of detail, and gets around the issue of not knowing whether to put for example the home address or the hospital address for a birth or death (or how to put both in a single field). Corinne Curtis #5579 On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 9:15 AM, W. Paul Featherstone <wpaulf@gmail.com> wrote: > John, > > It's a good tip for new starters not to use abbreviations, since Geo Coding > will not work, I am slowly working through my 47,000+ places. You should > find if you operate a system of doing this your Database size should also be > reduced since places are amalgamated in most data structures. > > I am still using Chapman codes for quickness in finding BMD registrations, > mainly because my database contains some 77,000+ names. However I change to > full places when I find a BMD full record. > > For interest I have 4,262 Names contain John's and not one Coldwell:-) > > > Paul (2627) > > > > On 11/3/17 09:01 AM, John Keith Coldwell wrote: >> >> Andy >> The difficulty with the Wortley place name is that there is the >> District by Penistone and the suburb of Leeds. Both West Riding unless >> recent references. Maybe if it refers to the district then it could be >> named Wortley District (which is definitive and can be looked up on a >> website) and if the village: Wortley, Penistone, YWR or if the suburb >> Wortley, Leeds YWR. There may be other Wortley places... >> As it happens I was at school in Penistone and used to do winter time >> cross country runs in the snow around Wortley. >> Is the answer to adopt a standard glossary of places eg Ancestry.com >> although I would not offer to go back and change the thousends of >> names in my database. >> John >> >> On 11 March 2017 at 07:21, Andy Micklethwaite <andy.mick@googlemail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks for explaining it, Paul. It's on my to-do list - which is getting >>> longer, not shorter! >>> >>> Any thoughts on which would be better: >>> - Wortley Yorkshire >>> - Wortley WRY >>> >>> Andy >>> >>> At 01:07 11/03/2017, you wrote: >>>> >>>> I think Marie, is trying to get across to those with web sites, or any >>>> form of database, that it is important to make sure that you put place names >>>> in full, otherwise you are putting yourself in grave jeopardy of misleading >>>> those looking at the information you are recording. >>>> >>>> >>>> Paul >>> >>> _____________________________________________ >>> >>> RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? >>> http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >>> the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? > http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Nikki Brown #6552 Pullum ONS https://pullumons.wordpress.com

But Geoff you would record all the places as found? Yes!! Well I would, I had the same experience the other day with Kegworth, Derbyshire and Leicestershire Paul 2627 On 11/3/17 10:02 AM, Geoff Chew wrote: > On 11 Mar 2017, at 09:01, John Keith Coldwell <johnkcoldwell@gmail.com> wrote: >> Is the answer to adopt a standard glossary of places eg Ancestry.com >> although I would not offer to go back and change the thousends of >> names in my database. > If one needs to standardize place names, Family Historian does make it easy to edit thousands of occurrences through a database across the board. But I think some discretion is needed. There is one case in my extended family where a 19th-century forebear had 5 marriages all in the same place (they were Zulu tribal marriages, so polygamous). The place in question, Vryheid now in northern KwaZulu-Natal, South Africa, was in different jurisdictions for 4 of the marriages, the Kingdom of Zululand, the short-lived New Republic (a secessionist Boer republic), the (Boer) South African Republic, and finally the Colony of Natal. (He died before it became a 5th jurisdiction, the Union of South Africa.) Any understanding of the history of the family would be erased if one standardized the name of the place, because he died intestate and the white family tried to argue that the marriages had not been legal - the argument turning of course on their legality under the various jurisdicti! ons - in order to dispossess the black wives and get their hands on his money. Fortunately, they seem not to have succeeded. > > Geoff Chew 5389 > _____________________________________________ > > RootsWeb Surname List - are your interests there? > http://rsl.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GOONS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Corinne my tip would be to enter all the details you can, It is interesting that a lot of Software, collects the first part in a different location from the rest of the address, Which is why I am still using The Master Genealogist.:-( Paul 2627 On 11/3/17 09:48 AM, Corinne Curtis wrote: > I have got hopelessly inconsistent with my place names, and it is on > my list to gradually go through all and replace with unabbreviated > names. One thing I do wonder about is whether I should be adding in > "county" (or similar terms) to parts of addresses. For example > Wexford, Wexford, Ireland, or Wexford, County Wexford, Ireland? > I've also generally avoided putting in street or house addresses to > the general address fields, preferring to keep them within the notes > field, so for example my birthplace would be Shipston-on-Stour, > Warwickshire, England, rather than Eileen Badger Memorial Hospital, > etc... I feel this makes the index more easily searchable, even if it > does lose a bit of detail, and gets around the issue of not knowing > whether to put for example the home address or the hospital address > for a birth or death (or how to put both in a single field). > > Corinne Curtis #5579 > > On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 9:15 AM, W. Paul Featherstone <wpaulf@gmail.com> wrote: >> John, >> >> It's a good tip for new starters not to use abbreviations, since Geo Coding >> will not work, I am slowly working through my 47,000+ places. You should >> find if you operate a system of doing this your Database size should also be >> reduced since places are amalgamated in most data structures. >> >> I am still using Chapman codes for quickness in finding BMD registrations, >> mainly because my database contains some 77,000+ names. However I change to >> full places when I find a BMD full record. >> >> For interest I have 4,262 Names contain John's and not one Coldwell:-) >> >> >> Paul (2627) >> >> >> >>