Margaret Thank you for having a look, I also came up with this Robert and Cromall is Cromhall as far as I know unless anyone in GLS can tell me differently. My problem with trying to sort out the dau/gdau issue is that there are baptisms for Robert & Hannah's other children but no Robert. I know this is not conclusive as he could have been baptised somewhere else or I guess not at all. There is a baptism in Cromhall for Robert in 1811 but he is son of Richard & Elizabeth, that would make him 30 in 1841. I think it likely that this is the Robert who married Phoebe. Robert on the marriage cert was a labourer Apart from William I did find one earlier bap a Henry in 1814 but that's all. I haven't a marriage for Robert and Hannah but say they were 25ish then they would have married in about 1811. Interestingly there are biggish gaps between each child, 4 years between the first 2 and then roughly 5 between the rest. Probably babies who didn't survive in between and were not baptised. Robert and Hannah's ages are fairly consistent throughout the census so I believe Hannah was older than Robert, someone else has put forward before that maybe this Hannah is a second wife and he was married to a Hannah before and that indeed Elizabeth was a "late" baby but I think this may be stretching things. I can't seem to get beyond the supposition stage and I have a feeling probably never will on this line. Anyway, thanks again Any other thoughts from anyone gratefully recieved, maybe a marriage for Robert & Hannah? Rose On 2/5/07, Margaret J. Muntz <muntz@hunterlink.net.au> wrote: > > Rose > I am using Find my past site, and went looking for another possible Robert > who could be Robert and Hannah's son. Given Hannah age the chances are > that > there were some children before William, who would have left home before > the > 41 census. > Found a Robert PICK 30yrs with wife Phoebe and son John 1 year. Born in > County. Found them in the 61 census and Robert born "Cromall, > Gloucestershire" Is there a Cromall and a Cromhall or are they the same > place? > > Unfortunately Son John born Cheltenham and looks like, from Free BDM, that > this couple may have married in 1838. > Is Elizabeth's age of 5yrs at 41 census confirmed by later census, and > does > she give an occupation for her father on the marriage certificate? > > In 41 the younger Robert was a baker and in 61 an Ag Lab. Wife's name and > son's name I think these are the same Roberts despite change of > occupation. > And in 61 Phoebe is a little creative about her age just 24yrs with son > 21yrs !!! ANd so was Robert 30yrs in 41 census and 40yrs in 61 census. > > Can find neither of then in 71 census but a Robert dies are 62yrs in 1874 > at > Stroud which does fit to his most likely age. > > I know some of this is stretching the facts but it may give you some > leads. > And this puts Elizabeth back as a grandchild. Have you found them in the > 51 > census? > Marg > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rose Cowan" <rose.cowan@gmail.com> > To: <GLOUCESTER@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 12:52 PM > Subject: [GLS] PICK Elizabeth c1835 born Cromhall > > > > Hi > > > > Sometime ago I requested help from this list concerning Elizabeth PICK. > > Unfortunately since then I am really no further forward and wonder if > SKS > > may have any thoughts or help. > > > > What I do know is that from the 1861 census for Clapton in Gordano > onwards > > Elizabeth or Eliza was born in Cromhall. She married Frederick BAILEY > in > > 1864 and from the marriage certificate states her father was Robert > PICK. > > > > I have not had any success locating a baptism for her although there are > a > > couple of possibles none give Robert as a father. There is one entry > > giving > > Ann PICK as mother, no father's name given. At first I thought this may > > be > > it but then wondered why she would give the name Robert on her marriage > > cert. I have also information from the 1841 census which seems likely > to > > be > > Elizabeth: > > > > Robert 55 > > Hannah 60 > > William 25 > > Emma 20 > > Mary 15 > > Elizabeth 5 > > > > However, the Hannah would have been 55 at time of her birth so the > though > > is > > that Robert & Hannah are grandparents. She may not have know this and > > gave > > her grandfather as her father. I have found Robert and Hannah on the > 1871 > > census so they were still alive at the time of her marriage to > Frederick. > > > > I have found baptisms for William, Emma and Mary in Cromhall to Robert & > > Hannah. I have checked through Ancestry 1841 to see if there is another > > likely Robert but nothing. > > > > Do you think I am at the end of this line with the possible scenario > that > > the daughter Emma may be the mother and Elizabeth didn't know? There is > > not > > a baptism for another daughter between William 25 and Emma 20 unless the > > Ann > > PICK given on the baptism is a daughter. > > > > Would be grateful of any comments on this from the list. > > > > Regards to anyone who has tried to help me in the past with this > > > > Rose Cowan > > Sydney, Australia (when I last posted I was living in Swindon, UK) > > _____________________________________________ > > > > Browse the list archives at: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ > > Browse the list archives at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >