G'day Pauline I noticed there was an entry there for a connection to William Shakespeare in Stratford on Avon. So it sounds like the family goes back a long way.It sounds as though maybe the whole story is a myth or that Lucy was regarded as Still birth for simplicity and thus never registered at all. Cheers Derek ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline Roberts" <secserve@wilnecote.fsbusiness.co.uk> To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins Hi Derek Yes, I have done that, but none of them are directly related, they are all related but a very long way back. We are only talking a little time ago really, 1895 - and I have got all the family back to 1733. The main thing to consider with this is that the family lived in Cheltenham, but that is not where they came from originally. They only landed there about 1840, they all came from Stratford - and no-one is researching the family in Cheltenham at all, except for me. I shall make further enquiries today. Many thanks Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek S M Cusick" <derek1@iinet.net.au> To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > Hi Pauline , > have you tried Googling Quiney. first one that comes up when I did , is a > long list of Quiney researchers on Genforum, at least one said they have an > extensive Family tree they will share. > You may just strike it lucky and find someone that can break down this wall > for you. > Best of Luck > Derek in West Oz > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pauline Roberts" <secserve@wilnecote.fsbusiness.co.uk> > To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 4:53 PM > Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > > > Hi Mark > > I like a puzzle too, but I thought I had laid this to rest seven years ago. > > It was a home birth, and no hospitals in those days for maternity cases, so > nothing to look for there. I have searched the GRO, but not any > 'unknowns' - however, surely they would have been registered together? > > There is only one place for burial at that time in that area, and I have a > full print out of that name, which is a very uncommon one (Quiney), so it > was easy for the cemetery to do for me. > > I am going to call Cheltenham Register Office today because this is giving > me grey hair (or more of it I should say!). > > Regards > > Pauline > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mataylor@homestead92.fsnet.co.uk" <mataylor@homestead92.fsnet.co.uk> > To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 9:46 PM > Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > > > > Pauline > > > > Are there any Church records that might help? Christening is possible at > > birth. Was it a home birth or hospital if a difficult birth? If hospital > > maybe records. > > > > Is there a time delay between birth and registration? Maybe view either > side > > of your Grandmothers registration a bit further. > > > > On the indexes look for unknown at the end of the quarter. Whilst family > may > > have named her it might only have been after legal registration had taken > > place. > > > > Look further afield regarding burial. > > > > You might have thought of the above but I like a puzzle. > > > > Mark > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Pauline Roberts > > Sent: 11 February 2007 21:28 > > To: gloucester@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > > > > > > Hi Jenny > > > > Thank you. Does this mean that no time would have been put on my > > grandmother's birth then, seeing as the other child was still born? Does > > this not count? I might just telephone the register office concerned and > > see (as it was a typed certificate) if there was a time entered that was > > missed off the certificate. > > > > Regards > > > > Pauline > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "jenny buckley" <jenny_buckley@hotmail.com> > > To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 8:56 PM > > Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > > > > > > > Hi Pauline, > > > > > > Yesterday I was reading the march issue of practical family > > > history and in one story it does mention twins, it could be that the > twin > > > was still born, and it states in the magazine that still births prior to > > > 1927 were not registered. hope this little bit is of help to you. > > > > > > jenny > > > > > > > > > >From: "Pauline Roberts" <secserve@wilnecote.fsbusiness.co.uk> > > > >Reply-To: gloucester@rootsweb.com > > > >To: <GLOUCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> > > > >Subject: [GLS] Birth of Twins > > > >Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 20:58:18 -0000 > > > > > > > >Hello all > > > > > > > >My grandmother was born in 1895, and all her life believed she was a > > twin. > > > >The other child, apparently a girl was called Lucy but died soon after > > > >birth. > > > > > > > >When I purchased my grandmother's birth certificate, there was no > mention > > > >of > > > >a time, which I understood was the case when there was twins, so I > > assumed > > > >that there was only one child and the other child was a bit of a fib. > > > > > > > >I have now spoken to the daughter of my grandmother's long lost > brother, > > > >and > > > >she mentioned the fact that my gran was a twin. This leaves me > > wondering. > > > >There is neither a birth nor death registration for another child at > the > > > >same time as my grandmother, and no indication on the certificate. Can > > > >anyone advise if it is possible that no registration of birth or death > > > >could > > > >have taken place if the child was born but died? > > > > > > > >To add to this, the name is an unusual one, and I have a complete list > of > > > >all people buried at the cemetery nearby with the same name, some are > > > >babies, but none are called Lucy, and none coincide with the date of my > > > >grandmother's birth, not even slightly. > > > > > > > >I would appreciate any comments anyone would have, because I am a > little > > > >bit > > > >flummoxed by this. > > > > > > > >Pauline > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > > > > > > >Browse the list archives at: > > > >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > > > > > > >Keyword search - any or all lists: > > > >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > > > >------------------------------- > > > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > >GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > MSN Hotmail is evolving – check out the new Windows Live Mail > > > http://ideas.live.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > > > Browse the list archives at: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > Browse the list archives at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ Browse the list archives at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ Keyword search - any or all lists: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Derek The link to Shakespeare is a tenuous one, and not one I am pursuing. I have gone back to 1733 or thereabouts, with a little help, but there the trail goes cold. I have, however, had a conversation with a man who is related to Adrian Quiney, and is fully conversant with their family tree, right the way down. He believes that somewhere along the line, possibly a cousin, or something of Adrian Quiney is the start of our line. He firmly believes all the Warwickshire Quineys are linked, and he is not daft, he is a lawyer. There is something far more exciting to me than finding out I have a link to Judith Shakespeare, and that is why the family moved from Stratford to Cheltenham. Four of the seven Quineys moved, Thomas remained in Stratford, living in Ely Street all his life. Job (aka Joseph)Quiney went to Oz in 1849, told lies and made a small packet - he is also the man who introduced foxes to Australia, which I am fully aware is nothing to shout about! His sister Lydia followed in 1852, hoping to find her brother, but we don't think she did, after all, he had told many lies about her and her marriage and probably did not wish to be found. Lydia advertised in the Melbourne newspaper. Rebecca and Edmund stayed in Cheltenham, and Edmund is whom I am descended from. Now, why did they all move from Stratford? In 1820, in the November, a plan was hatched between four men who were labourers of one kind or another, two had largish families, but they were all a little hard up (what with the price of bread being exceedingly high because of the wars in France, and the wages being exceedingly low). The plan was formed to rob a rent collector on his rounds. On the night in question, the four men went for a drink to give a little Dutch courage one assumes, and positioned themselves near Little Ham Bridge in Alveston, waiting for the rent collector to pass by. As the man approached on his horse, the four men attacked him, found it was the wrong man, but took what they could and went - one of the four went back and gave the man his final kicking in the head, which probably finished the poor chap off. This man was no rent collector, but a man visiting his mother at Alveston, and had been to Warwick to vote. His name was William Hirons and he subsequently died. To cut a long story short, Nathaniel Quiney, Thomas Heytrey, Hery Adams and Samuel Sidney were sentenced to death and were hanged at Warwick in April 1821. Nathaniel was my 3 x gt grandfather. Violence does not, I assure you, run in the family! Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek S M Cusick" <derek1@iinet.net.au> To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > G'day Pauline > I noticed there was an entry there for a connection to William Shakespeare > in Stratford on Avon. > So it sounds like the family goes back a long way.It sounds as though maybe > the whole story is a myth or that Lucy was regarded as Still birth for > simplicity and thus never registered at all. > Cheers > Derek > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pauline Roberts" <secserve@wilnecote.fsbusiness.co.uk> > To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 6:27 PM > Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > > > Hi Derek > > Yes, I have done that, but none of them are directly related, they are all > related but a very long way back. We are only talking a little time ago > really, 1895 - and I have got all the family back to 1733. > > The main thing to consider with this is that the family lived in Cheltenham, > but that is not where they came from originally. > > They only landed there about 1840, they all came from Stratford - and no-one > is researching the family in Cheltenham at all, except for me. > > I shall make further enquiries today. > > Many thanks > > Pauline > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Derek S M Cusick" <derek1@iinet.net.au> > To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 8:59 AM > Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > > > > Hi Pauline , > > have you tried Googling Quiney. first one that comes up when I did , is a > > long list of Quiney researchers on Genforum, at least one said they have > an > > extensive Family tree they will share. > > You may just strike it lucky and find someone that can break down this > wall > > for you. > > Best of Luck > > Derek in West Oz > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Pauline Roberts" <secserve@wilnecote.fsbusiness.co.uk> > > To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 4:53 PM > > Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > > > > > > Hi Mark > > > > I like a puzzle too, but I thought I had laid this to rest seven years > ago. > > > > It was a home birth, and no hospitals in those days for maternity cases, > so > > nothing to look for there. I have searched the GRO, but not any > > 'unknowns' - however, surely they would have been registered together? > > > > There is only one place for burial at that time in that area, and I have a > > full print out of that name, which is a very uncommon one (Quiney), so it > > was easy for the cemetery to do for me. > > > > I am going to call Cheltenham Register Office today because this is giving > > me grey hair (or more of it I should say!). > > > > Regards > > > > Pauline > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mataylor@homestead92.fsnet.co.uk" > <mataylor@homestead92.fsnet.co.uk> > > To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 9:46 PM > > Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > > > > > > > Pauline > > > > > > Are there any Church records that might help? Christening is possible at > > > birth. Was it a home birth or hospital if a difficult birth? If hospital > > > maybe records. > > > > > > Is there a time delay between birth and registration? Maybe view either > > side > > > of your Grandmothers registration a bit further. > > > > > > On the indexes look for unknown at the end of the quarter. Whilst family > > may > > > have named her it might only have been after legal registration had > taken > > > place. > > > > > > Look further afield regarding burial. > > > > > > You might have thought of the above but I like a puzzle. > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com > > > [mailto:gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Pauline Roberts > > > Sent: 11 February 2007 21:28 > > > To: gloucester@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > > > > > > > > > Hi Jenny > > > > > > Thank you. Does this mean that no time would have been put on my > > > grandmother's birth then, seeing as the other child was still born? > Does > > > this not count? I might just telephone the register office concerned > and > > > see (as it was a typed certificate) if there was a time entered that > was > > > missed off the certificate. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Pauline > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "jenny buckley" <jenny_buckley@hotmail.com> > > > To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 8:56 PM > > > Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > > > > > > > > > > Hi Pauline, > > > > > > > > Yesterday I was reading the march issue of practical > family > > > > history and in one story it does mention twins, it could be that the > > twin > > > > was still born, and it states in the magazine that still births prior > to > > > > 1927 were not registered. hope this little bit is of help to you. > > > > > > > > jenny > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Pauline Roberts" <secserve@wilnecote.fsbusiness.co.uk> > > > > >Reply-To: gloucester@rootsweb.com > > > > >To: <GLOUCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > >Subject: [GLS] Birth of Twins > > > > >Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 20:58:18 -0000 > > > > > > > > > >Hello all > > > > > > > > > >My grandmother was born in 1895, and all her life believed she was a > > > twin. > > > > >The other child, apparently a girl was called Lucy but died soon > after > > > > >birth. > > > > > > > > > >When I purchased my grandmother's birth certificate, there was no > > mention > > > > >of > > > > >a time, which I understood was the case when there was twins, so I > > > assumed > > > > >that there was only one child and the other child was a bit of a fib. > > > > > > > > > >I have now spoken to the daughter of my grandmother's long lost > > brother, > > > > >and > > > > >she mentioned the fact that my gran was a twin. This leaves me > > > wondering. > > > > >There is neither a birth nor death registration for another child at > > the > > > > >same time as my grandmother, and no indication on the certificate. > Can > > > > >anyone advise if it is possible that no registration of birth or > death > > > > >could > > > > >have taken place if the child was born but died? > > > > > > > > > >To add to this, the name is an unusual one, and I have a complete > list > > of > > > > >all people buried at the cemetery nearby with the same name, some are > > > > >babies, but none are called Lucy, and none coincide with the date of > my > > > > >grandmother's birth, not even slightly. > > > > > > > > > >I would appreciate any comments anyone would have, because I am a > > little > > > > >bit > > > > >flummoxed by this. > > > > > > > > > >Pauline > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > >Browse the list archives at: > > > > >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > > > > > > > > >Keyword search - any or all lists: > > > > >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > > > > >------------------------------- > > > > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > >GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > > > >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > MSN Hotmail is evolving – check out the new Windows Live Mail > > > > http://ideas.live.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > > > > > Browse the list archives at: > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > > > > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > > > Browse the list archives at: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > Browse the list archives at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >