Hi Pauline, Please let us know what they say to you at Cheltenham about the "deceased" twin. My Mom always said she was a twin and that the twin was dead or died at birth (August 1921). I tried phoning the local registrar but they just said it was too early for them (pre 1927) and I've checked the PR's and the GRO indexes but found nothing. My Mom's sister verified the claims but couldn't remember it happening, she just remembered being told. Judy Pauline Roberts <secserve@wilnecote.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote: Hi Mark I like a puzzle too, but I thought I had laid this to rest seven years ago. It was a home birth, and no hospitals in those days for maternity cases, so nothing to look for there. I have searched the GRO, but not any 'unknowns' - however, surely they would have been registered together? There is only one place for burial at that time in that area, and I have a full print out of that name, which is a very uncommon one (Quiney), so it was easy for the cemetery to do for me. I am going to call Cheltenham Register Office today because this is giving me grey hair (or more of it I should say!). Regards Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mataylor@homestead92.fsnet.co.uk" To: Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > Pauline > > Are there any Church records that might help? Christening is possible at > birth. Was it a home birth or hospital if a difficult birth? If hospital > maybe records. > > Is there a time delay between birth and registration? Maybe view either side > of your Grandmothers registration a bit further. > > On the indexes look for unknown at the end of the quarter. Whilst family may > have named her it might only have been after legal registration had taken > place. > > Look further afield regarding burial. > > You might have thought of the above but I like a puzzle. > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Pauline Roberts > Sent: 11 February 2007 21:28 > To: gloucester@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > > > Hi Jenny > > Thank you. Does this mean that no time would have been put on my > grandmother's birth then, seeing as the other child was still born? Does > this not count? I might just telephone the register office concerned and > see (as it was a typed certificate) if there was a time entered that was > missed off the certificate. > > Regards > > Pauline > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jenny buckley" > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 8:56 PM > Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > > > > Hi Pauline, > > > > Yesterday I was reading the march issue of practical family > > history and in one story it does mention twins, it could be that the twin > > was still born, and it states in the magazine that still births prior to > > 1927 were not registered. hope this little bit is of help to you. > > > > jenny > > > > > > >From: "Pauline Roberts" > > >Reply-To: gloucester@rootsweb.com > > >To: > > >Subject: [GLS] Birth of Twins > > >Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 20:58:18 -0000 > > > > > >Hello all > > > > > >My grandmother was born in 1895, and all her life believed she was a > twin. > > >The other child, apparently a girl was called Lucy but died soon after > > >birth. > > > > > >When I purchased my grandmother's birth certificate, there was no mention > > >of > > >a time, which I understood was the case when there was twins, so I > assumed > > >that there was only one child and the other child was a bit of a fib. > > > > > >I have now spoken to the daughter of my grandmother's long lost brother, > > >and > > >she mentioned the fact that my gran was a twin. This leaves me > wondering. > > >There is neither a birth nor death registration for another child at the > > >same time as my grandmother, and no indication on the certificate. Can > > >anyone advise if it is possible that no registration of birth or death > > >could > > >have taken place if the child was born but died? > > > > > >To add to this, the name is an unusual one, and I have a complete list of > > >all people buried at the cemetery nearby with the same name, some are > > >babies, but none are called Lucy, and none coincide with the date of my > > >grandmother's birth, not even slightly. > > > > > >I would appreciate any comments anyone would have, because I am a little > > >bit > > >flummoxed by this. > > > > > >Pauline > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > > > > >Browse the list archives at: > > >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > > > > >Keyword search - any or all lists: > > >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > > >------------------------------- > > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN Hotmail is evolving – check out the new Windows Live Mail > > http://ideas.live.com > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > Browse the list archives at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > _____________________________________________ Browse the list archives at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ Keyword search - any or all lists: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, You can check the BMD records at http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/vital/freebmd/bmd.aspx Quite easy if you have the name and date. Regards David

Hi Judy I rang this morning but the person I needed to speak to was engaged, and I have not had time since. It is interesting you have a very similar story, my Nan said this child had died at birth, and I accepted that for years. There is no record of a burial - and as the name is Quiney - very easy to find in any register index. Seeing as my Nan's brother, about six years her elder, remembered twins, I am going to have to pursue it. I can imagine two things - one - that the child died, and two, that the child was 'given' away. In the first instance, even if a child is placed in another person's coffin, there has to be, by law, a note in the burial register. If the child was given away, there should have been registration, and that is the one I am going to have to pursue with vigour. There was not another child of the same age within the family, I have gone and re-checked my records today. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Evans" <judy.evans27@btinternet.com> To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > Hi Pauline, > Please let us know what they say to you at Cheltenham about the "deceased" twin. My Mom always said she was a twin and that the twin was dead or died at birth (August 1921). I tried phoning the local registrar but they just said it was too early for them (pre 1927) and I've checked the PR's and the GRO indexes but found nothing. My Mom's sister verified the claims but couldn't remember it happening, she just remembered being told. > Judy > > Pauline Roberts <secserve@wilnecote.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Mark > > I like a puzzle too, but I thought I had laid this to rest seven years ago. > > It was a home birth, and no hospitals in those days for maternity cases, so > nothing to look for there. I have searched the GRO, but not any > 'unknowns' - however, surely they would have been registered together? > > There is only one place for burial at that time in that area, and I have a > full print out of that name, which is a very uncommon one (Quiney), so it > was easy for the cemetery to do for me. > > I am going to call Cheltenham Register Office today because this is giving > me grey hair (or more of it I should say!). > > Regards > > Pauline > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mataylor@homestead92.fsnet.co.uk" > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 9:46 PM > Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > > > > Pauline > > > > Are there any Church records that might help? Christening is possible at > > birth. Was it a home birth or hospital if a difficult birth? If hospital > > maybe records. > > > > Is there a time delay between birth and registration? Maybe view either > side > > of your Grandmothers registration a bit further. > > > > On the indexes look for unknown at the end of the quarter. Whilst family > may > > have named her it might only have been after legal registration had taken > > place. > > > > Look further afield regarding burial. > > > > You might have thought of the above but I like a puzzle. > > > > Mark > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Pauline Roberts > > Sent: 11 February 2007 21:28 > > To: gloucester@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > > > > > > Hi Jenny > > > > Thank you. Does this mean that no time would have been put on my > > grandmother's birth then, seeing as the other child was still born? Does > > this not count? I might just telephone the register office concerned and > > see (as it was a typed certificate) if there was a time entered that was > > missed off the certificate. > > > > Regards > > > > Pauline > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "jenny buckley" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 8:56 PM > > Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > > > > > > > Hi Pauline, > > > > > > Yesterday I was reading the march issue of practical family > > > history and in one story it does mention twins, it could be that the > twin > > > was still born, and it states in the magazine that still births prior to > > > 1927 were not registered. hope this little bit is of help to you. > > > > > > jenny > > > > > > > > > >From: "Pauline Roberts" > > > >Reply-To: gloucester@rootsweb.com > > > >To: > > > >Subject: [GLS] Birth of Twins > > > >Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 20:58:18 -0000 > > > > > > > >Hello all > > > > > > > >My grandmother was born in 1895, and all her life believed she was a > > twin. > > > >The other child, apparently a girl was called Lucy but died soon after > > > >birth. > > > > > > > >When I purchased my grandmother's birth certificate, there was no > mention > > > >of > > > >a time, which I understood was the case when there was twins, so I > > assumed > > > >that there was only one child and the other child was a bit of a fib. > > > > > > > >I have now spoken to the daughter of my grandmother's long lost > brother, > > > >and > > > >she mentioned the fact that my gran was a twin. This leaves me > > wondering. > > > >There is neither a birth nor death registration for another child at > the > > > >same time as my grandmother, and no indication on the certificate. Can > > > >anyone advise if it is possible that no registration of birth or death > > > >could > > > >have taken place if the child was born but died? > > > > > > > >To add to this, the name is an unusual one, and I have a complete list > of > > > >all people buried at the cemetery nearby with the same name, some are > > > >babies, but none are called Lucy, and none coincide with the date of my > > > >grandmother's birth, not even slightly. > > > > > > > >I would appreciate any comments anyone would have, because I am a > little > > > >bit > > > >flummoxed by this. > > > > > > > >Pauline > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > > > > > > >Browse the list archives at: > > > >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > > > > > > >Keyword search - any or all lists: > > > >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > > > >------------------------------- > > > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > >GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > MSN Hotmail is evolving - check out the new Windows Live Mail > > > http://ideas.live.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > > > Browse the list archives at: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > Browse the list archives at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

We are in the process of transcribing the records of our local cemetery and still births burials are entered in the burial registers from 1857. Most of the early ones were buried, as has been suggested, in the same grave as another burial which was at the same time. Some later ones (after 1927) are named and have their own burial. You say that the name QUINEY should be easy to find - but we have discovered a great many variants of names in the Burial Registers - so is it possible to search by date as well just in case there has been a slight error in the name? Regarding the name Lucy - she might not have that name in any register There is the death of a "female" KIMBREY which might be worth checking out except that there is a birth of a "male" KIMBREY in the same quarter! Nothing is simple where family history is concerned! Good Luck! Pat >> > > >From: "Pauline Roberts" >> > > >Reply-To: gloucester@rootsweb.com >> > > >To: >> > > >Subject: [GLS] Birth of Twins >> > > >Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 20:58:18 -0000 >> > > > >> > > >Hello all >> > > > >> > > >My grandmother was born in 1895, and all her life believed she was a >> > twin. >> > > >The other child, apparently a girl was called Lucy but died soon > after >> > > >birth. >> > > > >> > > >When I purchased my grandmother's birth certificate, there was no >> mention >> > > >of >> > > >a time, which I understood was the case when there was twins, so I >> > assumed >> > > >that there was only one child and the other child was a bit of a >> > > >fib. >> > > > >> > > >I have now spoken to the daughter of my grandmother's long lost >> brother, >> > > >and >> > > >she mentioned the fact that my gran was a twin. This leaves me >> > wondering. >> > > >There is neither a birth nor death registration for another child at >> the >> > > >same time as my grandmother, and no indication on the certificate. > Can >> > > >anyone advise if it is possible that no registration of birth or > death >> > > >could >> > > >have taken place if the child was born but died? >> > > > >> > > >To add to this, the name is an unusual one, and I have a complete > list >> of >> > > >all people buried at the cemetery nearby with the same name, some >> > > >are >> > > >babies, but none are called Lucy, and none coincide with the date of > my >> > > >grandmother's birth, not even slightly. >> > > > >> > > >I would appreciate any comments anyone would have, because I am a >> little >> > > >bit >> > > >flummoxed by this. >> > > > >> > > >Pauline