Hello all My grandmother was born in 1895, and all her life believed she was a twin. The other child, apparently a girl was called Lucy but died soon after birth. When I purchased my grandmother's birth certificate, there was no mention of a time, which I understood was the case when there was twins, so I assumed that there was only one child and the other child was a bit of a fib. I have now spoken to the daughter of my grandmother's long lost brother, and she mentioned the fact that my gran was a twin. This leaves me wondering. There is neither a birth nor death registration for another child at the same time as my grandmother, and no indication on the certificate. Can anyone advise if it is possible that no registration of birth or death could have taken place if the child was born but died? To add to this, the name is an unusual one, and I have a complete list of all people buried at the cemetery nearby with the same name, some are babies, but none are called Lucy, and none coincide with the date of my grandmother's birth, not even slightly. I would appreciate any comments anyone would have, because I am a little bit flummoxed by this. Pauline

Hi Pauline, Yesterday I was reading the march issue of practical family history and in one story it does mention twins, it could be that the twin was still born, and it states in the magazine that still births prior to 1927 were not registered. hope this little bit is of help to you. jenny >From: "Pauline Roberts" <secserve@wilnecote.fsbusiness.co.uk> >Reply-To: gloucester@rootsweb.com >To: <GLOUCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> >Subject: [GLS] Birth of Twins >Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 20:58:18 -0000 > >Hello all > >My grandmother was born in 1895, and all her life believed she was a twin. >The other child, apparently a girl was called Lucy but died soon after >birth. > >When I purchased my grandmother's birth certificate, there was no mention >of >a time, which I understood was the case when there was twins, so I assumed >that there was only one child and the other child was a bit of a fib. > >I have now spoken to the daughter of my grandmother's long lost brother, >and >she mentioned the fact that my gran was a twin. This leaves me wondering. >There is neither a birth nor death registration for another child at the >same time as my grandmother, and no indication on the certificate. Can >anyone advise if it is possible that no registration of birth or death >could >have taken place if the child was born but died? > >To add to this, the name is an unusual one, and I have a complete list of >all people buried at the cemetery nearby with the same name, some are >babies, but none are called Lucy, and none coincide with the date of my >grandmother's birth, not even slightly. > >I would appreciate any comments anyone would have, because I am a little >bit >flummoxed by this. > >Pauline > > > _____________________________________________ > >Browse the list archives at: >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > >Keyword search - any or all lists: >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ MSN Hotmail is evolving – check out the new Windows Live Mail http://ideas.live.com

Hi Jenny Thank you. Does this mean that no time would have been put on my grandmother's birth then, seeing as the other child was still born? Does this not count? I might just telephone the register office concerned and see (as it was a typed certificate) if there was a time entered that was missed off the certificate. Regards Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "jenny buckley" <jenny_buckley@hotmail.com> To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > Hi Pauline, > > Yesterday I was reading the march issue of practical family > history and in one story it does mention twins, it could be that the twin > was still born, and it states in the magazine that still births prior to > 1927 were not registered. hope this little bit is of help to you. > > jenny > > > >From: "Pauline Roberts" <secserve@wilnecote.fsbusiness.co.uk> > >Reply-To: gloucester@rootsweb.com > >To: <GLOUCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> > >Subject: [GLS] Birth of Twins > >Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 20:58:18 -0000 > > > >Hello all > > > >My grandmother was born in 1895, and all her life believed she was a twin. > >The other child, apparently a girl was called Lucy but died soon after > >birth. > > > >When I purchased my grandmother's birth certificate, there was no mention > >of > >a time, which I understood was the case when there was twins, so I assumed > >that there was only one child and the other child was a bit of a fib. > > > >I have now spoken to the daughter of my grandmother's long lost brother, > >and > >she mentioned the fact that my gran was a twin. This leaves me wondering. > >There is neither a birth nor death registration for another child at the > >same time as my grandmother, and no indication on the certificate. Can > >anyone advise if it is possible that no registration of birth or death > >could > >have taken place if the child was born but died? > > > >To add to this, the name is an unusual one, and I have a complete list of > >all people buried at the cemetery nearby with the same name, some are > >babies, but none are called Lucy, and none coincide with the date of my > >grandmother's birth, not even slightly. > > > >I would appreciate any comments anyone would have, because I am a little > >bit > >flummoxed by this. > > > >Pauline > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > > >Browse the list archives at: > >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > > >Keyword search - any or all lists: > >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Hotmail is evolving – check out the new Windows Live Mail > http://ideas.live.com > > >

Pauline Are there any Church records that might help? Christening is possible at birth. Was it a home birth or hospital if a difficult birth? If hospital maybe records. Is there a time delay between birth and registration? Maybe view either side of your Grandmothers registration a bit further. On the indexes look for unknown at the end of the quarter. Whilst family may have named her it might only have been after legal registration had taken place. Look further afield regarding burial. You might have thought of the above but I like a puzzle. Mark -----Original Message----- From: gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Pauline Roberts Sent: 11 February 2007 21:28 To: gloucester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins Hi Jenny Thank you. Does this mean that no time would have been put on my grandmother's birth then, seeing as the other child was still born? Does this not count? I might just telephone the register office concerned and see (as it was a typed certificate) if there was a time entered that was missed off the certificate. Regards Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "jenny buckley" <jenny_buckley@hotmail.com> To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > Hi Pauline, > > Yesterday I was reading the march issue of practical family > history and in one story it does mention twins, it could be that the twin > was still born, and it states in the magazine that still births prior to > 1927 were not registered. hope this little bit is of help to you. > > jenny > > > >From: "Pauline Roberts" <secserve@wilnecote.fsbusiness.co.uk> > >Reply-To: gloucester@rootsweb.com > >To: <GLOUCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> > >Subject: [GLS] Birth of Twins > >Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 20:58:18 -0000 > > > >Hello all > > > >My grandmother was born in 1895, and all her life believed she was a twin. > >The other child, apparently a girl was called Lucy but died soon after > >birth. > > > >When I purchased my grandmother's birth certificate, there was no mention > >of > >a time, which I understood was the case when there was twins, so I assumed > >that there was only one child and the other child was a bit of a fib. > > > >I have now spoken to the daughter of my grandmother's long lost brother, > >and > >she mentioned the fact that my gran was a twin. This leaves me wondering. > >There is neither a birth nor death registration for another child at the > >same time as my grandmother, and no indication on the certificate. Can > >anyone advise if it is possible that no registration of birth or death > >could > >have taken place if the child was born but died? > > > >To add to this, the name is an unusual one, and I have a complete list of > >all people buried at the cemetery nearby with the same name, some are > >babies, but none are called Lucy, and none coincide with the date of my > >grandmother's birth, not even slightly. > > > >I would appreciate any comments anyone would have, because I am a little > >bit > >flummoxed by this. > > > >Pauline > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > > >Browse the list archives at: > >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > > >Keyword search - any or all lists: > >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Hotmail is evolving – check out the new Windows Live Mail > http://ideas.live.com > > > _____________________________________________ Browse the list archives at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ Keyword search - any or all lists: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My mothers midwifery notes mentions maternal twins, but there is no sign of a time on my grandmothers birth certificate. She was in fact an only child, though I have discovered - just this week - another child who died 18 hours old due to a premature birth (my sister and aunt suffered from pre-eclampsia in pregnancy and I presume that this runs in families) Emma ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline Roberts" <secserve@wilnecote.fsbusiness.co.uk> To: <GLOUCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 8:58 PM Subject: [GLS] Birth of Twins > Hello all > > My grandmother was born in 1895, and all her life believed she was a twin. > The other child, apparently a girl was called Lucy but died soon after > birth. > > When I purchased my grandmother's birth certificate, there was no mention > of > a time, which I understood was the case when there was twins, so I assumed > that there was only one child and the other child was a bit of a fib. > > I have now spoken to the daughter of my grandmother's long lost brother, > and > she mentioned the fact that my gran was a twin. This leaves me wondering. > There is neither a birth nor death registration for another child at the > same time as my grandmother, and no indication on the certificate. Can > anyone advise if it is possible that no registration of birth or death > could > have taken place if the child was born but died? > > To add to this, the name is an unusual one, and I have a complete list of > all people buried at the cemetery nearby with the same name, some are > babies, but none are called Lucy, and none coincide with the date of my > grandmother's birth, not even slightly. > > I would appreciate any comments anyone would have, because I am a little > bit > flummoxed by this. > > Pauline > > > >

Pauline Roberts wrote: > Hello all > > My grandmother was born in 1895, and all her life believed she was a twin. > The other child, apparently a girl was called Lucy but died soon after > birth. > > When I purchased my grandmother's birth certificate, there was no mention of > a time, which I understood was the case when there was twins, so I assumed > that there was only one child and the other child was a bit of a fib. > > I have now spoken to the daughter of my grandmother's long lost brother, and > she mentioned the fact that my gran was a twin. This leaves me wondering. > There is neither a birth nor death registration for another child at the > same time as my grandmother, and no indication on the certificate. Can > anyone advise if it is possible that no registration of birth or death could > have taken place if the child was born but died? > > To add to this, the name is an unusual one, and I have a complete list of > all people buried at the cemetery nearby with the same name, some are > babies, but none are called Lucy, and none coincide with the date of my > grandmother's birth, not even slightly. > > I would appreciate any comments anyone would have, because I am a little bit > flummoxed by this. If there had been a twin, I would have expected there to have been some indication, even if the other one had been still born. A stillborn child had neither a birth nor a death certificate, so no entry in either index. Stillbirths weren't registered until 1927 and the registers are closed except to the parents of the child or siblings where the parents are deceased. If the child was born alive and had drawn breath, then there would be a registration in both the relevant birth and death indices. That there is none suggests that either the child was still born or that the story was a family legend. Such stories can perpetuate through more than one family which tend to lend substance where there is none. All you can do is record the fact that it's believed there was a twin but there is no trace of her. That said, have you tried the parish burial registers? There *might* be a reference in there depending on how conscientious the incumbent was. Stillborn children were usually buried in the same coffin as an adult who was not necessarily a relative. -- Charani (UK)

Pauline, Parish registers sometimes specify twins in the entry, but other entries for two children born to the same parents and baptised on the same day cannot be assumed to be twins. They may have been born in different years. Such instances are sometimes augmented with the children's birth dates, but not always. For a birth as recent as 1895, the register entry needs to be examined, but unless it refers to twins, it won't be conclusive. Jeff On Sun, 11 February, 2007 8:58 pm, Pauline Roberts wrote: > Hello all > > > My grandmother was born in 1895, and all her life believed she was a > twin. The other child, apparently a girl was called Lucy but died soon > after birth. > > When I purchased my grandmother's birth certificate, there was no mention > of a time, which I understood was the case when there was twins, so I > assumed that there was only one child and the other child was a bit of a > fib. > > I have now spoken to the daughter of my grandmother's long lost brother, > and she mentioned the fact that my gran was a twin. This leaves me > wondering. There is neither a birth nor death registration for another > child at the same time as my grandmother, and no indication on the > certificate. Can anyone advise if it is possible that no registration of > birth or death could have taken place if the child was born but died? > > To add to this, the name is an unusual one, and I have a complete list of > all people buried at the cemetery nearby with the same name, some are > babies, but none are called Lucy, and none coincide with the date of my > grandmother's birth, not even slightly. > > I would appreciate any comments anyone would have, because I am a little > bit flummoxed by this. > > Pauline > > > > _____________________________________________ > > > Browse the list archives at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Pauline My mother had twin boys who were born 2 days apart and registered separately, I know this because the page numbers on the birth entries do not run concurrently. If this happened in your mother's case, itmight well be that one twin was registered in one quarter, the other in the next. Eveline > > > My grandmother was born in 1895, and all her life believed she was a twin. > The other child, apparently a girl was called Lucy but died soon after > birth. > > When I purchased my grandmother's birth certificate, there was no mention of > a time, which I understood was the case when there was twins, so I assumed > that there was only one child and the other child was a bit of a fib. > > I have now spoken to the daughter of my grandmother's long lost brother, and > she mentioned the fact that my gran was a twin. This leaves me wondering. > There is neither a birth nor death registration for another child at the > same time as my grandmother, and no indication on the certificate. Can > anyone advise if it is possible that no registration of birth or death could > have taken place if the child was born but died? > > To add to this, the name is an unusual one, and I have a complete list of > all people buried at the cemetery nearby with the same name, some are > babies, but none are called Lucy, and none coincide with the date of my > grandmother's birth, not even slightly. > > I would appreciate any comments anyone would have, because I am a little bit > flummoxed by this. > > Pauline > > > _____________________________________________ > > Browse the list archives at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Eveline Yes, I do know about that, but this child is supposed to have died shortly after birth, and my grandmother's birth was registered on 30 December 1895, but surely a child that had died would not have been registered later than this? Very puzzling, but I shall make further enquires at Cheltenham today. Many thanks Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eveline Clarke" <aclarke22@toucansurf.com> To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > Hi Pauline > > My mother had twin boys who were born 2 days apart and registered > separately, I know this because the page numbers on the birth entries do not > run concurrently. > > If this happened in your mother's case, itmight well be that one twin was > registered in one quarter, the other in the next. > > Eveline > > > > > > > My grandmother was born in 1895, and all her life believed she was a twin. > > The other child, apparently a girl was called Lucy but died soon after > > birth. > > > > When I purchased my grandmother's birth certificate, there was no mention > of > > a time, which I understood was the case when there was twins, so I assumed > > that there was only one child and the other child was a bit of a fib. > > > > I have now spoken to the daughter of my grandmother's long lost brother, > and > > she mentioned the fact that my gran was a twin. This leaves me wondering. > > There is neither a birth nor death registration for another child at the > > same time as my grandmother, and no indication on the certificate. Can > > anyone advise if it is possible that no registration of birth or death > could > > have taken place if the child was born but died? > > > > To add to this, the name is an unusual one, and I have a complete list of > > all people buried at the cemetery nearby with the same name, some are > > babies, but none are called Lucy, and none coincide with the date of my > > grandmother's birth, not even slightly. > > > > I would appreciate any comments anyone would have, because I am a little > bit > > flummoxed by this. > > > > Pauline > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > > > Browse the list archives at: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > >