Hi Daryl Thanks for your comments. Regarding the distance from home to Gloucestershire, I am not in a position to drive long distances any more. I have been researching my family for 20 years now along with being the transcriber for Lancs OPC Warrington and surrounds for many years, doing hundreds of lookups for people along the way. A few years ago a lady kindly looked at some Stroud records and Saul but couldn't find it. I merely needed some ideas. Yes, I could order a film from LDS but I can't say for definite which town it would be in. I was just hoping that maybe someone is also researching John Smart. Regards Celia