Hi, if noone comes forward on this by Monday email Cheltenham local studies - we have a copy on the shelves there and it will only take a couple of minutes for someone to have a look for you. cheltenham.library@gloucestershire.gov.uk Regards Lynne On 15/01/2011 15:31, Giles Colchester wrote: > Does anyone have a copy of The Yeomanry Cavalry of Gloucestershire and > Monmouth by Windham Henry Wyndham-Quin and would be willing to do a look up > for me? A Stephen Colchester is mentioned on pages 84 and 142 and I would > like to know the context and the date of these entries. > > With many thanks, > Giles Colchester, > Researching COLCHESTER family, any spelling, any time, any place > And PACKARD in Suffolk > > > _____________________________________________ > > Gloucestershire Family History Society: > www.gfhs.org.uk > > Gloucestershire Archives: > www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=15434 > > Gloucestershire BMD Index 1837 to 2005: > http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Does anyone have a copy of The Yeomanry Cavalry of Gloucestershire and Monmouth by Windham Henry Wyndham-Quin and would be willing to do a look up for me? A Stephen Colchester is mentioned on pages 84 and 142 and I would like to know the context and the date of these entries. With many thanks, Giles Colchester, Researching COLCHESTER family, any spelling, any time, any place And PACKARD in Suffolk

betty judge wrote: > MANY THANKS FOR ALL THE ANSWERS TO MY QUERY, i NOW UNDERSTAND THAT THERE > MUST HAVE BEEN TRIPLETS BORN. Only if the births were registered AFTER civil registration, that is AFTER 1 July *1837*. If the entries were *baptisms*, then there is no guarantee at all that the children concerned were triplets at all. They were much more likely to be three individual children who were born at different times and so different ages. The vicar was not obliged or required to give ages or dates of birth for older children. If the children were born *before* 1 July 1837, there would be no way to tell whether they were triplets or not. The only clue you might get would be if they were in any censuses from 1851 onwards. The 1841 census didn't give exact ages for any one aged 15 or above. If the children were born too long before then, between 1700 and 1760 for instance, then you would be better off treating the apparent "triplets" as three separate births. (Incidentally using all CAPS is regarded as shouting.) -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

Ruth The Gloucestershire Registration Service Indexes(ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd) are incomplete for Gloucester as this is an incomplete project. As the burial is around 1870 it may have taken place at the Tredworth Cemetery, the registers of which are still being indexed by Gloucestershire FHS and are not yet online. I will try to arrange a search of this and reply off site There is not an index for deaths at Gloucestershire Archives so individual Gloucester parishes would have to be searched at the Archives Kevin George Family History Centre Coordinator Gloucestershire FHS Family History Centre Clarence Row Alvin Street Gloucester GL1 3AH 01452 524344 www.gfhs.org.uk On 11 Jan 2011, at 21:49, RuthGenda@aol.com wrote: > > I’m returning to the Gloucester List to search again for my > 2xggrandfather, John LLEWELLEN. He’s very elusive. > The only definite cast-iron reference to him that I have is from his > daughter’s (of full age) marriage certificate in Rochdale in 1853. He is > registered as a tailor living in Toad Lane. I cannot find any of his children’s > birth records but I know from family memorabilia (birthday books) that he had > at least 3 children and I have days and months (no years) recorded there. > I have some census records for these children but none before 1851. All > are registered in the censuses as being born in very different places. So > when I found John LLEWELLYN, a tailor, living in Gloucester and Master of > the St. Mary Magdalen Hospital in the 1861 Census I dared to hope that he > might just be my ancestor. I’m still daring to hope! > Gloucester Listers were very helpful with a number of suggestions when I > requested information before, but I have been unable to confirm that he is > mine. I have now found a death in Gloucester in the GRO Index of a John > LLEWELLYN aged 70 in the JAS qr of 1870. I completed the GRO form to send > for this certificate and my finger was hovering over the ‘Submit’ button > when I thought I ought to check out the Gloucestershire Record Office index of > deaths first – and he’s not there! Oh dear! > So here is one last question to the list before I do send for the GRO > certificate. Does Gloucestershire have on-line anywhere a Burial index which > might show the burial of this John LLEWELLYN (or LLEWELLEN)? A burial > certificate will have different, and might have a little more, information than > a death cert. – but I could be wrong. > Ever hopeful. Thanks for reading this. > Ruth > _____________________________________________ > > Gloucestershire Family History Society: > www.gfhs.org.uk > > Gloucestershire Archives: > www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=15434 > > Gloucestershire BMD Index 1837 to 2005: > http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I’m returning to the Gloucester List to search again for my 2xggrandfather, John LLEWELLEN. He’s very elusive. The only definite cast-iron reference to him that I have is from his daughter’s (of full age) marriage certificate in Rochdale in 1853. He is registered as a tailor living in Toad Lane. I cannot find any of his children’s birth records but I know from family memorabilia (birthday books) that he had at least 3 children and I have days and months (no years) recorded there. I have some census records for these children but none before 1851. All are registered in the censuses as being born in very different places. So when I found John LLEWELLYN, a tailor, living in Gloucester and Master of the St. Mary Magdalen Hospital in the 1861 Census I dared to hope that he might just be my ancestor. I’m still daring to hope! Gloucester Listers were very helpful with a number of suggestions when I requested information before, but I have been unable to confirm that he is mine. I have now found a death in Gloucester in the GRO Index of a John LLEWELLYN aged 70 in the JAS qr of 1870. I completed the GRO form to send for this certificate and my finger was hovering over the ‘Submit’ button when I thought I ought to check out the Gloucestershire Record Office index of deaths first – and he’s not there! Oh dear! So here is one last question to the list before I do send for the GRO certificate. Does Gloucestershire have on-line anywhere a Burial index which might show the burial of this John LLEWELLYN (or LLEWELLEN)? A burial certificate will have different, and might have a little more, information than a death cert. – but I could be wrong. Ever hopeful. Thanks for reading this. Ruth

Smallpox vaccinations started in England about 1718, using "matter" from infected people - very dangerous, but it often worked as the virus was weakened. Vaccination with cowpox was Jenner's improvement, due to the nursery rhyme " Where are you going to, my pretty maid? I'm going a milking, Sir, she said"... Milkmaids were pretty, because they had good complexions. Jenner asked a milkmaid why she had never got smallpox, and she replied " Because I've had the cowpox, Sir". (One for the ignorant country bumpkin!) So he tried using cowpox "matter" (from a cowpox pimple) instead of the standard Smallpox treatment. My 5th great grandfather, writing in 1764, discussed the dangers of the old treatment. malcolm wagga wagga Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise" <neeseau@gmail.com> To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 10:31 AM Subject: [GLS] Smallpox vaccinations >I have a notebook in which an ancestor of mine living in Cheltenham has > recorded that five of his children were vaccinated for the smallpox June > 16th 1789. Before Jenner, but I presume that other people were also > trying > to make a successful vaccination. > > "June 16th 1789 - Mary Elizabeth Sarah William & Inf Potter was inoculated > for the Small Pox." > > Denise > _____________________________________________ > > Gloucestershire Family History Society: > www.gfhs.org.uk > > Gloucestershire Archives: > www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=15434 > > Gloucestershire BMD Index 1837 to 2005: > http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16660) > http://www.pctools.com/ > ======= ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16660) http://www.pctools.com/ =======

I have a notebook in which an ancestor of mine living in Cheltenham has recorded that five of his children were vaccinated for the smallpox June 16th 1789. Before Jenner, but I presume that other people were also trying to make a successful vaccination. "June 16th 1789 - Mary Elizabeth Sarah William & Inf Potter was inoculated for the Small Pox." Denise

By coincidence, yesterday I was looking into vaccination history relating to the 1840 Vaccination Act and how it was administered in my local area, and came across this quote from the website of the Edward Jenner Museum, based in Berkeley, Gloucestershire: "Some communities tried to lessen the likelihood of death by scratching into their skin scab material from someone with a mild form of smallpox. Lady Mary Wortley Montagu introduced this practice into England from Turkey in 1721. The practice was called variolation and many surgeons built up lucrative businesses administering it. Unfortunately, the identification of a suitable strain of the disease was not a precise science and deaths from variolation were not uncommon. Edward Jenner was himself variolated whilst at school. He was "prepared" by being starved, purged and bled; then locked up in a stable with other artificially infected boys until the disease had run its course. He suffered particularly badly. It was an experience he would never forget. " Best wishes Jill On 10/01/2011 23:31, Denise wrote: > I have a notebook in which an ancestor of mine living in Cheltenham has > recorded that five of his children were vaccinated for the smallpox June > 16th 1789. Before Jenner, but I presume that other people were also trying > to make a successful vaccination. > > "June 16th 1789 - Mary Elizabeth Sarah William& Inf Potter was inoculated > for the Small Pox." > > Denise > _____________________________________________ >

Hi Denise, inoculation is not equivalent to vaccination. Lady Mary Wortley MONTAGUE, who had lived in Turkey, brought the practise of inoculation with a mild strain of smallpox to England earlier in the 1700s than the work of Edward JENNER. JENNER took a different approach, He observed that milkmaids who had contracted cowpox did not all ill with smallpox. He conducted an experiment on young James PHIPPS, showing that he had acquired resistance to smallpox having been inoculated with cow pox [vaccinia]. Edward JENNER's work took place at Berkeley where his house has become a museum to his work. He also made observation of the habits of cuckoos, which had not previously been understood, took part in ballooning and married Catherine KINGSCOTE... Cheers, Janet Heskins

Denise wrote: > I have a notebook in which an ancestor of mine living in Cheltenham has > recorded that five of his children were vaccinated for the smallpox June > 16th 1789. Before Jenner, but I presume that other people were also trying > to make a successful vaccination. A successful vaccine was produced by a chap in Dorset who noticed that one of the villagers (might have been his own dau) didn't get smallpox because she'd had cowpox. The piece I read about it also said there were others experimenting but the chap in Dorset was the most successful before Jenner. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

Hi Glen Have a look at this site http://www.victorianweb.org/science/health/health10.html might contain some info you could use cheers Tony > From: yearsley@rogers.com > To: gloucester@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 16:46:25 -0500 > Subject: [GLS] Yearsley 1846 > > Hello to the list; > > Can anyone tell me if there is any plague or some such disease that was > going on in and around 1846 in Gloucestershire? I seem to have a great deal > of Yearsley's who died in 1846 in the Westbury on Severn area. > > Thank you > > Glen

Hello to the List; Thanks to all who have responded about the 1846 deaths of Yearsley's in Westbury on Severn area. Have a good day Glen

Vaccination had been available for some time prior to 1846...so presumably these ancestors chose not to be vaccinated. Edward Jenner was working on this problem at the close of the eighteenth century. In Horsley/Nailsworth vaccination took place on a large scale through charitable efforts. Cheers, Janet Heskins

Hi Glen, I do have ancestors wiped out by smallpox during the period 1845 - 51, however they were based in Devon. Might be a link. Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glen Yearsley" <yearsley@rogers.com> To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 9:46 PM Subject: [GLS] Yearsley 1846 > Hello to the list; > > Can anyone tell me if there is any plague or some such disease that was > going on in and around 1846 in Gloucestershire? I seem to have a great > deal > of Yearsley's who died in 1846 in the Westbury on Severn area. > > Thank you > > Glen > > _____________________________________________ > > Gloucestershire Family History Society: > www.gfhs.org.uk > > Gloucestershire Archives: > www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=15434 > > Gloucestershire BMD Index 1837 to 2005: > http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Glen I do know that there was a Smallpox epidemic in and around north west Wolverhampton in the middle 1840's "which came up from the south" Also ... don't know whether you are aware that the YEARSLEY name and its variants (ie YARDLEY, YEARDLEY, EARDLEY etc) originated from a village called EARDLEY END See GenUki at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/STS/Audley/index.html Regards Bill -----Original Message----- From: gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Glen Yearsley Sent: 09 January 2011 21:46 To: gloucester@rootsweb.com Subject: [GLS] Yearsley 1846 Hello to the list; Can anyone tell me if there is any plague or some such disease that was going on in and around 1846 in Gloucestershire? I seem to have a great deal of Yearsley's who died in 1846 in the Westbury on Severn area. Thank you Glen _____________________________________________ Gloucestershire Family History Society: www.gfhs.org.uk Gloucestershire Archives: www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=15434 Gloucestershire BMD Index 1837 to 2005: http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Glen There was a world wide 'flu epidemic in 1847-1848. Could this have been the early effect of it? Regards Tj ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glen Yearsley" <yearsley@rogers.com> To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 9:46 PM Subject: [GLS] Yearsley 1846 > Hello to the list; > > Can anyone tell me if there is any plague or some such disease that was > going on in and around 1846 in Gloucestershire? I seem to have a great > deal > of Yearsley's who died in 1846 in the Westbury on Severn area. > > Thank you > > Glen > > _____________________________________________ > > Gloucestershire Family History Society: > www.gfhs.org.uk > > Gloucestershire Archives: > www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=15434 > > Gloucestershire BMD Index 1837 to 2005: > http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello to the list; Can anyone tell me if there is any plague or some such disease that was going on in and around 1846 in Gloucestershire? I seem to have a great deal of Yearsley's who died in 1846 in the Westbury on Severn area. Thank you Glen

MANY THANKS FOR ALL THE ANSWERS TO MY QUERY, i NOW UNDERSTAND THAT THERE MUST HAVE BEEN TRIPLETS BORN. BETTY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charani" <charani.b@gmail.com> To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 6:46 AM Subject: Re: [GLS] triplets? > Dennis Corbett . wrote: > >> One of the replies to your posting particularly quoted an area >> registration >> code which indicated he was talking about the St. Catherine's BMD (now >> the >> General Register Office) records. > > The General Register Office predated St Catherine's by a long way :)) > > Copies of the indices used to be available at Somerset House but when > the volumes outgrew the accommodation, they moved to St Catherine's > House. When they were about to outgrow there as well, the Deaths were > moved up Kingsway to Alexander House and the Births and Marriages took > over the space vacated by the Death indices and also took over the > Kardomah (a coffee and sandwich bar next door which was vary popular > with researchers). The next move was to the Family Research Centre > near Mt Pleasant from where the volumes were consigned to a dark and > lonely warehouse in Christchurch, Hants, never again to eargerly > poured/pawed over by enthusuastic researchers and the "vultures". > > That's why you'll sometimes hear researchers refer to Somerset House > whilst researchers of slightly less long standing will occasionally > refer to St Catherine's and newer researchers to the FRC. > >> These, I believe, could not legally be >> multiple registrations of children who were not of a multiple birth and >> certainly not of different parents. > > Post civil registration births could be legally registered but there > would have been a fine to pay for late registration unless the parents > "massaged" the birth date! <G> > > -- > Charani (UK) > OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM > Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM > http://wsom-opc.org.uk > http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/ > _____________________________________________ > > Gloucestershire Family History Society: > www.gfhs.org.uk > > Gloucestershire Archives: > www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=15434 > > Gloucestershire BMD Index 1837 to 2005: > http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Happy New Year, everyone! The registration thread has, I think, run its course, and with Gillian's post clarifying some of the issues, I'll call a halt there, please. The thread has stopped being GLS-specific! Wendy GLS List Admin

(SORBS at it again :(( ) Gillian Taylor Shaw wrote: > 27.09.1837 The Morning Chronicle (London) > > EXPLANATORY NOTICE RESPECTING THE REGISTRATION AND MARRIAGE ACTS. > > BIRTHS > The birth of any child born after June, 1837, *may be registered* > by the registrar of the district in which the child was born, I think the part I've emphasised is where many people stop reading and where the myth was born ('scuse the pun) but they need to continue reading on. > within six weeks after the birth, *without any payment being > required*. Again my emphasis and that is the important part > After six weeks, and within six months, the expense of registering > will be 7s. 6d. After six months the birth cannot be registered at > all. This suggests there WAS a penalty. This being so, it's understandable why many parents chose not to register their children at all. The actual Act is on Guy Etchells' site, the URL for which I don't have to hand. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/