Hi Pat This is from the Bristol Mercury Newspaper (will send you the article separately): GLOUCESTERSHIRE QUARTER SESSIONS . The Bristol Mercury (Bristol, England), Saturday, October 23, 1841; Issue 2693 Mary Southcote (sic), 30, was found guilty on two indictments of stealing, at Cheltenham, a quantity of plate and jewellery, the property of her master, Walter Carey, and was sentenced to a fortnight’s hard labour for the first offence, and to seven years’ transportation for the second. Best regards Gillian > Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 22:17:34 +0000 > From: charani.b@gmail.com > To: pat@pathase.demon.co.uk; gloucester@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GLS] Mary SOUTHCOTT - transported to Australia 1842 > > Pat Hase wrote: > > Thank you Charani, (and Jenny) > > > > I now think it is probably Walter CAREY as per the 1851 census a Surgeon > > in Cheltenham. On the 1841 census Walter is down as Walter CARY and is > > living at Charlton Kings. So it all makes sense. > > I did wonder about Walter Carey but I couldn't find him in 1841 - now > I know why :)) > > > In 1841 their servant is a Mary MASTERS who says she was born out of > > county - I wonder if she is Mary SOUTHCOTT? > > Possibly. Perhaps one was a married name and one a maiden name. > > I recognised the name SOUTHCOTT but it was Devon born Joanna SOUTHCOTT > and she was somewhat earlier - like 100 years earlier almost! > > > I'm grateful for your help. The newspaper account may clarify the name. > > Hopefully it will :)) > > -- > Charani (UK) > OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM > Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM > http://wsom-opc.org.uk > http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 17:14:02 -0000, <JHazl@aol.com> wrote: > I'm new to this particular list. I have several people by this surname > or variations who had christenings and marriages at St Phillip and St > Jacob's in Bristol in the early 1700s. I am uncertain as to whether they > were from Somerset or Gloucester as no mention of a village was given on > Family Search. I have found the marriage of my Elisha JAMES to Hester > WELLICK on June 16, 1742 at this church. In addition there are John > and Richard WELLICK who married there in the 1720s and who could be of > the age to be Hester's father. Hi Jim, There is reference to the will of Richard WELLICK 1736 in 'A Calendar of Wills proved in the Consistory Court (City and Deanery of Bristol Division) of the Bishop of Bristol 1572-1792', which was edited by Edward Alexander Fry and published in 1897. Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 17:14:02 -0000, <JHazl@aol.com> wrote: > I'm new to this particular list. I have several people by this surname > or variations who had christenings and marriages at St Phillip and St > Jacob's in Bristol in the early 1700s. I am uncertain as to whether they > were from Somerset or Gloucester as no mention of a village was given on > Family Search. I have found the marriage of my Elisha JAMES to Hester > WELLICK on June 16, 1742 at this church. In addition there are John > and Richard WELLICK who married there in the 1720s and who could be of > the age to be Hester's father. Hi Jim, In the Bristol Poll Book of 1734 there is an entry, in St. Philip & St. Jacob, for Richard WELLOCK, Freeholder. Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

Pat Hase wrote: > Thank you Charani, (and Jenny) > > I now think it is probably Walter CAREY as per the 1851 census a Surgeon > in Cheltenham. On the 1841 census Walter is down as Walter CARY and is > living at Charlton Kings. So it all makes sense. I did wonder about Walter Carey but I couldn't find him in 1841 - now I know why :)) > In 1841 their servant is a Mary MASTERS who says she was born out of > county - I wonder if she is Mary SOUTHCOTT? Possibly. Perhaps one was a married name and one a maiden name. I recognised the name SOUTHCOTT but it was Devon born Joanna SOUTHCOTT and she was somewhat earlier - like 100 years earlier almost! > I'm grateful for your help. The newspaper account may clarify the name. Hopefully it will :)) -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

Josephine, Thank you so much for the WELLICK lead! I'll check it out. Regards, Jim Hazlett JHazl@aol.com

Pat Hase wrote: > I am looking at a Mary SOUTHCOTT who was tried at the Gloucester Quarter > Sessions for theft in Oct 1841 and sentenced to 7 years transportation (and > 3 weeks in solitude). I believe that her case is reported in the Gloucester > Journal of 2 Oct 1841. She sailed on the Royal Admiral. > According to a book on Gloucestershire Transportees published by The Bristol > & Gloucestershire Archealogical Society she was from Charlton Kings but in > the records available online from the Archives Office of Tasmania she was > from Goodridge in Herefordshire. > Could someone check her offence as given on > http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON15-1-2,340,39,F,23 > She's the 4th entry from the top and the piece I'm having difficulty with is > the last column on the right It looks like: > Transported for stealing a ring and a florin from my master Walter Geary a Surgeon, > Gloster Would he be listed in a directory of the period or the 1841 census? -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

I am looking at a Mary SOUTHCOTT who was tried at the Gloucester Quarter Sessions for theft in Oct 1841 and sentenced to 7 years transportation (and 3 weeks in solitude). I believe that her case is reported in the Gloucester Journal of 2 Oct 1841. She sailed on the Royal Admiral. According to a book on Gloucestershire Transportees published by The Bristol & Gloucestershire Archealogical Society she was from Charlton Kings but in the records available online from the Archives Office of Tasmania she was from Goodridge in Herefordshire. Could someone check her offence as given on http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON15-1-2,340,39,F,23 She's the 4th entry from the top and the piece I'm having difficulty with is the last column on the right I think it says: (it uses abreviations for transported and stealing) Transported for stealing a ring and a florin from ----------- a Surgeon, Gloster Does anyone have access to the Gloucester Journal 2 Oct 1841 who could check her case for me? Thank you Pat

Hello, I'm new to this particular list. I have several people by this surname or variations who had christenings and marriages at St Phillip and St Jacob's in Bristol in the early 1700s. I am uncertain as to whether they were from Somerset or Gloucester as no mention of a village was given on Family Search. I have found the marriage of my Elisha JAMES to Hester WELLICK on June 16, 1742 at this church. In addition there are John and Richard WELLICK who married there in the 1720s and who could be of the age to be Hester's father. Both men have children also named Richard so there is a strong possibility that Richard senior is their father. Any help in sorting this out would be greatly appreciated! Best regards, JIm Hazlett Marblehead, Ma _JHazl@aol.com_ (mailto:JHazl@aol.com)

Thank you Ruth and Richard for your suggestions. Much appreciated. Cheers, Lynda On 30 January 2011 23:00, Richard Heaton <rjheaton@hotmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > As Ruth says 1911 isn't that old (and could still be in copyright). > >  The easiest way to check which newspapers covered the area for this date is > the British Library Integrated Catalogues (Newspaper subset) It isn't > perfect for "early" newspapers but for 1911 it should be fine > > http://catalogue.bl.uk/F/5SFDR27CCTRDMUC1D7GE86UL1MJMS4LMX939U447DI6LS7QQNE-20143?func=file&file_name=find-b&local_base=NPL > > > There is an Aston & East Birmingham News 1906 -1918 for example > > > Best Regards > Richard Heaton > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: <RuthGenda@aol.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 9:51 AM > To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [GLS] Newspaper look-up please? Walter William FLETCHER > >> Lynda >> >> Have you put out your request to the Birmingham Rootsweb list? >> _http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM.html_ >> (http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM.html) >> >> Local Record Offices keep copies of some old local newspapers.  Start >> here: >> _http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM.html >> _ >> (http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM.html) >> >> 1911 is not really old in newspaper terms.  The Birmingham Record >> Office/Archives should be able to tell you which newspapers were around at >> that >> time so that you could perhaps go directly to the newspaper itself and >> they >> might then check their own archives. >> >> Good hunting >> >> Ruth >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Gloucestershire Family History Society: >> www.gfhs.org.uk >> >> Gloucestershire Archives: >> www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=15434 >> >> Gloucestershire BMD Index 1837 to 2005: >> http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >  _____________________________________________ > > Gloucestershire Family History Society: > www.gfhs.org.uk > > Gloucestershire Archives: > www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=15434 > > Gloucestershire BMD Index 1837 to 2005: > http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you Jan, that's what I will be doing :) Cheers for your help. Lynda On 30 January 2011 15:05, Jan Daly <jdaly270@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > Lynda > > I tried to find something in the British Newspapers accessible online from > the State Library of NSW.  No luck.  Perhaps you should try writing to a > library in Birmingham where they may have other papers.  If you get a copy > of the death certificate first you will be able to give the correct date of > death which might assist them. > > Jan Daly > > Sydney, Aus > > -----Original Message----- > From: gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lynda's Lot > Sent: 30 January 2011 12:47 > To: gloucester@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GLS] Newspaper look-up please? Walter William FLETCHER died ca > December 1911 > > Hi Brian in Washington > > I'd seen that entry at FreeBMD, which narrowed his death down a bit. > I'm just hoping that someone may be able to find a write-up in the > paper because of the circumstances of his death.  All I have to go on > at the moment is hearsay and we all know how reliable that is, lol. > > Getting the death certificate is an option too.  Thanks for your help :-) > > Cheers, Lynda > > > > On 30 January 2011 13:39, Brian Nilsson <bhnilsson@aol.com> wrote: >> Hi Lynda, >> >> Good evening from Washington, DC. >> >> I wasn't able to find a newspaper reference but found Walter W. Fletcher >> listed in the England and Wales FreeBMDDeath Index, 1837-1915.  It lists > his >> death registered in the Oct-Nov-Dec. 1911 registration quarter for Aston, > in >> Warwickshire, recorded in Vol. 6d, p. 427.  It lists his age as 30, so > born >> about 1881.  Perhaps this will help you obtain a death certificate that > may >> help you confirm his cause of death and perhaps find a newspaper > reference. >> >> Hope this is of help! >> >> Brian >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Lynda's Lot <lydige@gmail.com> >> To: gloucester <gloucester@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:14 pm >> Subject: [GLS] Newspaper look-up please? Walter William FLETCHER died ca >> December 1911 >> >> Good afternoon from New Zealand. >> I'm wondering if SKS with access to early British newspapers can look >> something up for me please? >> Walter William FLETCHER, died (believed murdered) ca December 1911 in >> Aston, (Birmingham) Warwickshire.  I realise it's not Gloucestershire, >> but he and his wife Kate Ann ASTON were both born in Gloucester and >> married there. >> Thanks in advance. >> Lynda >>  _____________________________________________ >> Gloucestershire Family History Society: >> www.gfhs.org.uk >> Gloucestershire Archives: >> www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=15434 >> Gloucestershire BMD Index 1837 to 2005: >> http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body >> of >> the message >> > >  _____________________________________________ > > Gloucestershire Family History Society: > www.gfhs.org.uk > > Gloucestershire Archives: > www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=15434 > > Gloucestershire BMD Index 1837 to 2005: > http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >  _____________________________________________ > > Gloucestershire Family History Society: > www.gfhs.org.uk > > Gloucestershire Archives: > www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=15434 > > Gloucestershire BMD Index 1837 to 2005: > http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Brian in Washington I'd seen that entry at FreeBMD, which narrowed his death down a bit. I'm just hoping that someone may be able to find a write-up in the paper because of the circumstances of his death. All I have to go on at the moment is hearsay and we all know how reliable that is, lol. Getting the death certificate is an option too. Thanks for your help :-) Cheers, Lynda On 30 January 2011 13:39, Brian Nilsson <bhnilsson@aol.com> wrote: > Hi Lynda, > > Good evening from Washington, DC. > > I wasn't able to find a newspaper reference but found Walter W. Fletcher > listed in the England and Wales FreeBMDDeath Index, 1837-1915.  It lists his > death registered in the Oct-Nov-Dec. 1911 registration quarter for Aston, in > Warwickshire, recorded in Vol. 6d, p. 427.  It lists his age as 30, so born > about 1881.  Perhaps this will help you obtain a death certificate that may > help you confirm his cause of death and perhaps find a newspaper reference. > > Hope this is of help! > > Brian > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lynda's Lot <lydige@gmail.com> > To: gloucester <gloucester@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:14 pm > Subject: [GLS] Newspaper look-up please? Walter William FLETCHER died ca > December 1911 > > Good afternoon from New Zealand. > I'm wondering if SKS with access to early British newspapers can look > something up for me please? > Walter William FLETCHER, died (believed murdered) ca December 1911 in > Aston, (Birmingham) Warwickshire. I realise it's not Gloucestershire, > but he and his wife Kate Ann ASTON were both born in Gloucester and > married there. > Thanks in advance. > Lynda > _____________________________________________ > Gloucestershire Family History Society: > www.gfhs.org.uk > Gloucestershire Archives: > www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=15434 > Gloucestershire BMD Index 1837 to 2005: > http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message >

Good afternoon from New Zealand. I'm wondering if SKS with access to early British newspapers can look something up for me please? Walter William FLETCHER, died (believed murdered) ca December 1911 in Aston, (Birmingham) Warwickshire. I realise it's not Gloucestershire, but he and his wife Kate Ann ASTON were both born in Gloucester and married there. Thanks in advance. Lynda

Lynda I tried to find something in the British Newspapers accessible online from the State Library of NSW. No luck. Perhaps you should try writing to a library in Birmingham where they may have other papers. If you get a copy of the death certificate first you will be able to give the correct date of death which might assist them. Jan Daly Sydney, Aus -----Original Message----- From: gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lynda's Lot Sent: 30 January 2011 12:47 To: gloucester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GLS] Newspaper look-up please? Walter William FLETCHER died ca December 1911 Hi Brian in Washington I'd seen that entry at FreeBMD, which narrowed his death down a bit. I'm just hoping that someone may be able to find a write-up in the paper because of the circumstances of his death. All I have to go on at the moment is hearsay and we all know how reliable that is, lol. Getting the death certificate is an option too. Thanks for your help :-) Cheers, Lynda On 30 January 2011 13:39, Brian Nilsson <bhnilsson@aol.com> wrote: > Hi Lynda, > > Good evening from Washington, DC. > > I wasn't able to find a newspaper reference but found Walter W. Fletcher > listed in the England and Wales FreeBMDDeath Index, 1837-1915.  It lists his > death registered in the Oct-Nov-Dec. 1911 registration quarter for Aston, in > Warwickshire, recorded in Vol. 6d, p. 427.  It lists his age as 30, so born > about 1881.  Perhaps this will help you obtain a death certificate that may > help you confirm his cause of death and perhaps find a newspaper reference. > > Hope this is of help! > > Brian > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lynda's Lot <lydige@gmail.com> > To: gloucester <gloucester@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:14 pm > Subject: [GLS] Newspaper look-up please? Walter William FLETCHER died ca > December 1911 > > Good afternoon from New Zealand. > I'm wondering if SKS with access to early British newspapers can look > something up for me please? > Walter William FLETCHER, died (believed murdered) ca December 1911 in > Aston, (Birmingham) Warwickshire. I realise it's not Gloucestershire, > but he and his wife Kate Ann ASTON were both born in Gloucester and > married there. > Thanks in advance. > Lynda > _____________________________________________ > Gloucestershire Family History Society: > www.gfhs.org.uk > Gloucestershire Archives: > www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=15434 > Gloucestershire BMD Index 1837 to 2005: > http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > _____________________________________________ Gloucestershire Family History Society: www.gfhs.org.uk Gloucestershire Archives: www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=15434 Gloucestershire BMD Index 1837 to 2005: http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, As Ruth says 1911 isn't that old (and could still be in copyright). The easiest way to check which newspapers covered the area for this date is the British Library Integrated Catalogues (Newspaper subset) It isn't perfect for "early" newspapers but for 1911 it should be fine http://catalogue.bl.uk/F/5SFDR27CCTRDMUC1D7GE86UL1MJMS4LMX939U447DI6LS7QQNE-20143?func=file&file_name=find-b&local_base=NPL There is an Aston & East Birmingham News 1906 -1918 for example Best Regards Richard Heaton -------------------------------------------------- From: <RuthGenda@aol.com> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 9:51 AM To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> Subject: [GLS] Newspaper look-up please? Walter William FLETCHER > Lynda > > Have you put out your request to the Birmingham Rootsweb list? > _http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM.html_ > (http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM.html) > > Local Record Offices keep copies of some old local newspapers. Start > here: > _http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM.html > _ > (http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM.html) > > 1911 is not really old in newspaper terms. The Birmingham Record > Office/Archives should be able to tell you which newspapers were around at > that > time so that you could perhaps go directly to the newspaper itself and > they > might then check their own archives. > > Good hunting > > Ruth > _____________________________________________ > > Gloucestershire Family History Society: > www.gfhs.org.uk > > Gloucestershire Archives: > www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=15434 > > Gloucestershire BMD Index 1837 to 2005: > http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Lynda Have you put out your request to the Birmingham Rootsweb list? _http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM.html_ (http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM.html) Local Record Offices keep copies of some old local newspapers. Start here: _http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM.html _ (http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-WARKS-BIRMINGHAM.html) 1911 is not really old in newspaper terms. The Birmingham Record Office/Archives should be able to tell you which newspapers were around at that time so that you could perhaps go directly to the newspaper itself and they might then check their own archives. Good hunting Ruth

Thanks, will do. Janet In a message dated 1/29/2011 7:01:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, elizhgene@gmail.com writes: Do go in thru the specified db or you will get the world <G> Eliz On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 6:02 PM, <JANLWH@aol.com> wrote: > > Yes, this is it. I couldn't find any other free site for them not even on > my paid subscription on Ancestry.com. Thanks so very much. Janet > > In a message dated 1/29/2011 3:54:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > elizhgene@gmail.com writes: > On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Eliz Hanebury <elizhgene@gmail.com> > wrote: >> Is this the database? >> > https://www.familysearch.org/s/collection/show#uri=http://search-api:8080/searchapi/search/collection/1666142&hash=Mrd8SMocDIIen2Q83tu%252B82PRagg%25 > 3D >> >> England and Wales Nonconformist Index for RG 4-8 (Record Groups 4-8) >> (FamilySearch Historical Records) >> >> Record Description >> >> The following is a brief description of each record group: RG 4 >> contains birth, marriage, and death records from Presbyterian, >> Baptist, and Independent churches (known collectively as the >> Congregational Church); the Royal Hospital in Chelsea; the Royal >> Hospital in Greenwich; the Dr. Williams’s Library; the Wesleyan >> Methodist Metropolitan Registry; the Bunhill Fields Burial Ground in >> Hackney, London; the South London Burial Ground in Walworth, London; >> and the Necropolis Burial Ground in Everton, Liverpool. >> >> RG 5 contains birth records from the General Register Office; Dr. >> Williams’s Library; the Presbyterian, Independent, and Baptist >> Registry; and the Wesleyan Methodist Metropolitan Registry. >> >> RG 6 contains birth, marriage and burial records from the Society of >> Friends’ (Quakers’) registers, notes and certificates, 1578-1841. >> >> RG 7 contains records of clandestine marriages and baptisms in the >> Fleet Prison, the King’s Bench Prison, the Mint, and the May Fair >> Chapel, 1667-c1777. >> >> On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 4:58 AM, <JANETHESKI@aol.com> wrote: >>> Hi Janet, >>> one more thought...You may be able to access Dr Williams' records, > which do >>> give details of non-conformist births. I was able to look at them on >>> microfilm at the Family Record Centre in London before it closed. They > may be >>> available on line. >>> >>> The original purpose of this collection was to keep a record of birth >>> details of children who had not been baptised as infants within the > London >>> area. However peope in more far flung areas such as Gloucestershire > also took >>> advantage of the service and details of some of the Horsley people are >>> recorded. Not only are the parents named but the mother's parents are > also named >>> as are witnesses to the birth. If a person made a mark rather than > signing >>> the document yet another person is recorded as having witnessed the >>> signature. >>> >>> There is one record that involves my family directly, although there > are >>> others that are of interest: >>> >>> Record 1522; >>> Elizabeth HERBERT, born 6th October 1776, to John HERBERT and Ann, >>> daughter of Joseph and Margaret HESKINS, registered 1st April 1808. > Witnesses; >>> Elizabeth COLE and Ann HAINES, both of whom made marks. John HESKINS > junior >>> and Jonathan COLE were witnesses to these marks. >> > > _____________________________________________ > > Gloucestershire Family History Society: > www.gfhs.org.uk > > Gloucestershire Archives: > www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=15434 > > Gloucestershire BMD Index 1837 to 2005: > http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ > > Gloucestershire Family History Society: > www.gfhs.org.uk > > Gloucestershire Archives: > www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=15434 > > Gloucestershire BMD Index 1837 to 2005: > http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ Gloucestershire Family History Society: www.gfhs.org.uk Gloucestershire Archives: www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=15434 Gloucestershire BMD Index 1837 to 2005: http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Do go in thru the specified db or you will get the world <G> Eliz On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 6:02 PM, <JANLWH@aol.com> wrote: > > Yes, this is it.  I couldn't find  any other free site for them not even on > my paid subscription on  Ancestry.com.  Thanks so very much.  Janet > > In a message dated  1/29/2011 3:54:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > elizhgene@gmail.com writes: > On  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Eliz Hanebury <elizhgene@gmail.com> > wrote: >> Is this the database? >> > https://www.familysearch.org/s/collection/show#uri=http://search-api:8080/searchapi/search/collection/1666142&hash=Mrd8SMocDIIen2Q83tu%252B82PRagg%25 > 3D >> >>  England and Wales Nonconformist Index for RG 4-8 (Record Groups 4-8) >>  (FamilySearch Historical Records) >> >> Record  Description >> >> The following is a brief description of each record  group: RG 4 >> contains birth, marriage, and death records from  Presbyterian, >> Baptist, and Independent churches (known collectively as  the >> Congregational Church); the Royal Hospital in Chelsea; the  Royal >> Hospital in Greenwich; the Dr. Williams’s Library; the  Wesleyan >> Methodist Metropolitan Registry; the Bunhill Fields Burial  Ground in >> Hackney, London; the South London Burial Ground in Walworth,  London; >> and the Necropolis Burial Ground in Everton,  Liverpool. >> >> RG 5 contains birth records from the General Register  Office; Dr. >> Williams’s Library; the Presbyterian, Independent, and  Baptist >> Registry; and the Wesleyan Methodist Metropolitan  Registry. >> >> RG 6 contains birth, marriage and burial records from  the Society of >> Friends’ (Quakers’) registers, notes and certificates,  1578-1841. >> >> RG 7 contains records of clandestine marriages and  baptisms in the >> Fleet Prison, the King’s Bench Prison, the Mint, and the  May Fair >> Chapel, 1667-c1777. >> >> On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at  4:58 AM,  <JANETHESKI@aol.com> wrote: >>> Hi   Janet, >>> one more thought...You may be able to access Dr Williams'  records, > which do >>> give  details of non-conformist births. I was  able to look at them on >>> microfilm at the  Family Record Centre  in London before it closed. They > may be >>> available on   line. >>> >>> The original purpose of this collection was to  keep a record of  birth >>> details of children who had not been  baptised as infants within the > London >>> area. However peope in more  far flung areas such as Gloucestershire > also took >>> advantage of the  service and details of some of the Horsley people are >>>  recorded.  Not only are the parents named but the mother's parents are > also  named >>> as are  witnesses to the birth. If a person made a mark  rather than > signing >>> the document  yet another person is  recorded as having witnessed the >>> signature. >>> >>>  There  is one record that involves my family directly, although there > are >>> others that  are of interest: >>> >>>  Record 1522; >>> Elizabeth HERBERT, born 6th October  1776, to John  HERBERT and Ann, >>> daughter of Joseph and Margaret HESKINS,   registered 1st April 1808. > Witnesses; >>> Elizabeth COLE and Ann  HAINES, both  of whom made marks. John HESKINS > junior >>> and  Jonathan COLE were witnesses to  these  marks. >> > > _____________________________________________ > > Gloucestershire  Family History Society: > www.gfhs.org.uk > > Gloucestershire  Archives: > www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=15434 > > Gloucestershire  BMD Index 1837 to 2005: > http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/ > ------------------------------- > To  unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes  in the subject > and the body of the message > >  _____________________________________________ > > Gloucestershire Family History Society: > www.gfhs.org.uk > > Gloucestershire Archives: > www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=15434 > > Gloucestershire BMD Index 1837 to 2005: > http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, this is it. I couldn't find any other free site for them not even on my paid subscription on Ancestry.com. Thanks so very much. Janet In a message dated 1/29/2011 3:54:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, elizhgene@gmail.com writes: On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Eliz Hanebury <elizhgene@gmail.com> wrote: > Is this the database? > https://www.familysearch.org/s/collection/show#uri=http://search-api:8080/searchapi/search/collection/1666142&hash=Mrd8SMocDIIen2Q83tu%252B82PRagg%25 3D > > England and Wales Nonconformist Index for RG 4-8 (Record Groups 4-8) > (FamilySearch Historical Records) > > Record Description > > The following is a brief description of each record group: RG 4 > contains birth, marriage, and death records from Presbyterian, > Baptist, and Independent churches (known collectively as the > Congregational Church); the Royal Hospital in Chelsea; the Royal > Hospital in Greenwich; the Dr. Williams’s Library; the Wesleyan > Methodist Metropolitan Registry; the Bunhill Fields Burial Ground in > Hackney, London; the South London Burial Ground in Walworth, London; > and the Necropolis Burial Ground in Everton, Liverpool. > > RG 5 contains birth records from the General Register Office; Dr. > Williams’s Library; the Presbyterian, Independent, and Baptist > Registry; and the Wesleyan Methodist Metropolitan Registry. > > RG 6 contains birth, marriage and burial records from the Society of > Friends’ (Quakers’) registers, notes and certificates, 1578-1841. > > RG 7 contains records of clandestine marriages and baptisms in the > Fleet Prison, the King’s Bench Prison, the Mint, and the May Fair > Chapel, 1667-c1777. > > On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 4:58 AM, <JANETHESKI@aol.com> wrote: >> Hi Janet, >> one more thought...You may be able to access Dr Williams' records, which do >> give details of non-conformist births. I was able to look at them on >> microfilm at the Family Record Centre in London before it closed. They may be >> available on line. >> >> The original purpose of this collection was to keep a record of birth >> details of children who had not been baptised as infants within the London >> area. However peope in more far flung areas such as Gloucestershire also took >> advantage of the service and details of some of the Horsley people are >> recorded. Not only are the parents named but the mother's parents are also named >> as are witnesses to the birth. If a person made a mark rather than signing >> the document yet another person is recorded as having witnessed the >> signature. >> >> There is one record that involves my family directly, although there are >> others that are of interest: >> >> Record 1522; >> Elizabeth HERBERT, born 6th October 1776, to John HERBERT and Ann, >> daughter of Joseph and Margaret HESKINS, registered 1st April 1808. Witnesses; >> Elizabeth COLE and Ann HAINES, both of whom made marks. John HESKINS junior >> and Jonathan COLE were witnesses to these marks. > _____________________________________________ Gloucestershire Family History Society: www.gfhs.org.uk Gloucestershire Archives: www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=15434 Gloucestershire BMD Index 1837 to 2005: http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Eliz Hanebury <elizhgene@gmail.com> wrote: > Is this the database? > https://www.familysearch.org/s/collection/show#uri=http://search-api:8080/searchapi/search/collection/1666142&hash=Mrd8SMocDIIen2Q83tu%252B82PRagg%253D > > England and Wales Nonconformist Index for RG 4-8 (Record Groups 4-8) > (FamilySearch Historical Records) > > Record Description > > The following is a brief description of each record group: RG 4 > contains birth, marriage, and death records from Presbyterian, > Baptist, and Independent churches (known collectively as the > Congregational Church); the Royal Hospital in Chelsea; the Royal > Hospital in Greenwich; the Dr. Williams’s Library; the Wesleyan > Methodist Metropolitan Registry; the Bunhill Fields Burial Ground in > Hackney, London; the South London Burial Ground in Walworth, London; > and the Necropolis Burial Ground in Everton, Liverpool. > > RG 5 contains birth records from the General Register Office; Dr. > Williams’s Library; the Presbyterian, Independent, and Baptist > Registry; and the Wesleyan Methodist Metropolitan Registry. > > RG 6 contains birth, marriage and burial records from the Society of > Friends’ (Quakers’) registers, notes and certificates, 1578-1841. > > RG 7 contains records of clandestine marriages and baptisms in the > Fleet Prison, the King’s Bench Prison, the Mint, and the May Fair > Chapel, 1667-c1777. > > On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 4:58 AM,  <JANETHESKI@aol.com> wrote: >> Hi  Janet, >> one more thought...You may be able to access Dr Williams' records, which do >> give  details of non-conformist births. I was able to look at them on >> microfilm at the  Family Record Centre in London before it closed. They may be >> available on  line. >> >> The original purpose of this collection was to keep a record of  birth >> details of children who had not been baptised as infants within the London >> area. However peope in more far flung areas such as Gloucestershire also took >> advantage of the service and details of some of the Horsley people are >> recorded.  Not only are the parents named but the mother's parents are also named >> as are  witnesses to the birth. If a person made a mark rather than signing >> the document  yet another person is recorded as having witnessed the >> signature. >> >> There  is one record that involves my family directly, although there are >> others that  are of interest: >> >> Record 1522; >> Elizabeth HERBERT, born 6th October  1776, to John HERBERT and Ann, >> daughter of Joseph and Margaret HESKINS,  registered 1st April 1808.  Witnesses; >> Elizabeth COLE and Ann HAINES, both  of whom made marks. John HESKINS junior >> and Jonathan COLE were witnesses to  these marks. >

Hi Janet, one more thought...You may be able to access Dr Williams' records, which do give details of non-conformist births. I was able to look at them on microfilm at the Family Record Centre in London before it closed. They may be available on line. The original purpose of this collection was to keep a record of birth details of children who had not been baptised as infants within the London area. However peope in more far flung areas such as Gloucestershire also took advantage of the service and details of some of the Horsley people are recorded. Not only are the parents named but the mother's parents are also named as are witnesses to the birth. If a person made a mark rather than signing the document yet another person is recorded as having witnessed the signature. There is one record that involves my family directly, although there are others that are of interest: Record 1522; Elizabeth HERBERT, born 6th October 1776, to John HERBERT and Ann, daughter of Joseph and Margaret HESKINS, registered 1st April 1808. Witnesses; Elizabeth COLE and Ann HAINES, both of whom made marks. John HESKINS junior and Jonathan COLE were witnesses to these marks. Elizabeth COLE was Ann HERBERT's sister and wife of Jonathan COLE. John HESKINS junior could be one of two people...so a little mystery there. This is the only record I have seen where the registration was so long after the birth. Elizabeth HERBERT was no longer an infant but a woman of some thirty one years. There are definitely similar records for Uley people as I noted a few - but nobody named WALL Cheers, Janet In a message dated 28/01/2011 21:47:56 GMT Standard Time, JANLWH@aol.com writes: Janet, Thanks. Now this is interesting. Perhaps, they weren't Church of England. My family that immigrated to the USA was not Church of England but Primitive Methodist and that may have been because one of the later women marring into the family had a father or grandfather who was a Minister in the Primitive Methodist Church. I did a search of marriage records in Uley and found the given or Christian names of the WALL families were the exact ones that run thru generation after generation of the males in this family. So I am keeping this information and will be collecting Wall family marriages in other parish's close to these area's. When my Wm. Wall died the burial record says Chippenham but he hadn't moved from Biddlestone? I guess that was the parish for Biddlestone which is in Wiltshire but so very close to the border of Glou. Now I remember that the census in Wales for one of his son's noted Chippenham as his birth place even though he lived and was baptized in Biddlestone? We are Baptist now and don't baptize baby's but we do dedicated baby's. I will have to ask Pastor if this is a modern thing to do or was it always done. I will also see if he knows if the church keeps records of births and if so, did they always? I just never though of it like this! This could really hamper research! Thanks so much for you time and your willingness to share with others. You have been really helpful and have saved me lots of time. Janet In a message dated 1/28/2011 4:57:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, JANETHESKI@aol.com writes: Hi Janet, Just a couple of points: DNA testing is popular in the UK but probably only within certain family history groups. I am a member of the Guild of One-Name Studies where DNA profiling is seen as an important tool when establishing family groups of the same surname, as you hope to do. Many people in the Stroud area were non-conformists. In Horsley Shortwood Baptist Church had a larger congregation than the parish church but some people attended both places of worship. There was also a Quaker Meeting House and another Independent chapel nearby. Up to a point well into the nineteenth century there was a legal requirement that the marriages of non-conformists [but not Quakers] had to take place in the parish church. Actually there are three points; The parish was the body that took responsibility for those living within its bounds. This was the form of local government at that time. The parish overseers changed from year to year and could include anyone of good standing within the parish. A parish rate was collected from householders, agriculturalists and industrialists in order to give money in support of those who had fallen on hard times. There is much more to this topic but I hope this will help a little. Cheers, Janet In a message dated 27/01/2011 21:47:50 GMT Standard Time, JANLWH@aol.com writes: Janet, Thanks for the information. I will keep it in mind as I check. I am hoping the YDNA results will help too. The only problem with that is that most of the Wall men on the Family Tree DNA Wall project are from early America and haven't been traced back to England. However, if my brother matches my friends Dad, we will know that we are related at some point because she has documented proof to the Stroud Wall line. I wonder if the DNA testing is as popular in England as it seems to be in the US? I should have mentioned that my Wall's were Church of England both in the Parish records for my Wm. Walls birth in Tarlton and much later as an old man alone (as the sons had gone to Wales to work) in Biddlestone as being on Parish relief. Did one have to be a Church of England parishioner to get this? But I will check the Baptist church records. At one point, I ran across a birth to a Wall family where the child was born in the cottage in the meadow, I believe, and the father was a Shepard. Janet In a message dated 1/27/2011 4:23:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, JANETHESKI@aol.com writes: Hi Janet, at the time of the decline in the woollen industry I doubt that out of work weavers went to America as the American War of Independence had taken place some time previously. However, Australia was being developed as a British colony and welcomed immigrants from the old country at that time. It may be that some out of work weavers turned to agriculture but other industries may have absorbed some of them. For instance in Horsley Isaac HILLIER set up a business manufacturing products from pork at about this time. The mills found other uses such as making walking sticks and substantial thick card. In my own family some were involved in the woolen industry, as weavers and as mill owners but others were butchers, publicans, and brushmakers. Those who worked in the woolen industry tended to stay put but others moved to some relatively distant places: Bath, Bristol, Birmingham and London. There are a number of people named WALL in the Shortwood Baptist Church [Horsley] records. Horsley/Nailsworth is about four miles south of Stroud. Best wishes, Janet In a message dated 27/01/2011 20:46:41 GMT Standard Time, JANLWH@aol.com writes: Janet, This information is valuable to me also. I am searching the WALL family from Tarlton in 1792. John and Nancy Wall were parents to my 3rd ggf William Wall born in Tarlton 1792. As an adult, he married and lived in Biddestone, Wiltshire about 11 miles away as an AG worker. I can find no other Wall families in Biddestone. It is like he just showed up there from somewhere else. There is only one other Wall family in Tarlton in the 1790's and none on the later census's that I can find. I am trying to find where this WALL family was from? There must be parents and aunts, uncles and siblings living somewhere! I am trying to connect to the WALL families in the Stroud area who were in the wool business. I am in contact with a descendant of this Wall family in Stroud here in the USA. I am having my brothers YDNA tested and she is having her father's done. There may be a link. We will see. I see you wrote that Uley saw the sharp decline of it's wool industry in the early 18th century and many families moved to far away places like Australia and America. Perhaps, some moved to other close by villages to work in the Agriculture business as mine did. I will browse thru the Parish records of Uley to see if I find any Wall families. That is if these records are available! Thanks for the information. It has given me a new direction to search. Another, Janet In a message dated 1/26/2011 12:55:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, JANETHESKI@aol.com writes: Hi Janine, Uley is a picturesque small village near Stroud that was once highly industrialised. Uley blue was used for the uniforms of the British Navy. Most of the Gloucestershire woollen industry was lost in the first part of the eighteenth century. The weavers were then on hard times and many emigrated to Australia, sometimes with financial aid from their home parish. On many occasions the places where they settled in Australia were given names that reminded them of places they were fond of in England. It may be that some chose to use an English place name as part of the name by which they were known. This latter is conjecture on my part... Cheers, Janet Heskins _____________________________________________