On Tue, 09 Aug 2011 09:49:38 +0100, Ian Sage <ian.sage@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > My SAGE ancestors can be traced with certainty to mid-18th century > Yatton, Somerset, then disappear in a haze. > However, the earliest reference I have to the name is in 1277, when John > SAGE granted 100 solidates of land at "Brickhampton" (Brockhampton?) > Gloucs to the recently founded Hailes Abbey. > Is anyone aware of other records relating to the SAGE name at early > dates? Hi Ian, There's a reference to a John SAGE and a final agreement made in 1360 with references to Newent and the manor of Cromhale (Cromhall)under the section on The Daubeney Family. 179, which is on the following web page: http://www.ebooksread.com/authors-eng/bristol-and-gloucestershire-archaeological-society/transactions---bristol-and-gloucestershire-archaeological-society-volume-10-sir/page-16-transactions---bristol-and-gloucestershire-archaeological-society-volume-10-sir.shtml Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

On Tue, 09 Aug 2011 09:49:38 +0100, Ian Sage <ian.sage@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > My SAGE ancestors can be traced with certainty to mid-18th century > Yatton, Somerset, then disappear in a haze. > However, the earliest reference I have to the name is in 1277, when John > SAGE granted 100 solidates of land at "Brickhampton" (Brockhampton?) > Gloucs to the recently founded Hailes Abbey. > Is anyone aware of other records relating to the SAGE name at early > dates? Hi Ian, There's a reference to John SAGE, under BAILIFFS OF GLOUCESTER 1200–1483, on the following web page: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=42321 Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

If someone was given five shillings to travel to her new place of employment (she was going into service) in 1828, how far would that take her? Would that be enough to get to Manchester? She lived in Upper Slaughter parish, not far from Cheltenham. Thanks for any help, or links to any helpful places. Bonz

On Tue, 09 Aug 2011 09:49:38 +0100, Ian Sage <ian.sage@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > My SAGE ancestors can be traced with certainty to mid-18th century > Yatton, Somerset, then disappear in a haze. > However, the earliest reference I have to the name is in 1277, when John > SAGE granted 100 solidates of land at "Brickhampton" (Brockhampton?) > Gloucs to the recently founded Hailes Abbey. > Is anyone aware of other records relating to the SAGE name at early > dates? Hi Ian, There's a reference to Cecily SAGE and Kingsholm manor, in 1395, on the following web page: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=42323 Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

Hi, Try typing in Heraldic Visitations into Google and they may well turn up. Cannot remember which areas are covered and records still in existance. HV records are a bit slow to use but if I remember correctly it is possible to find an index at the very end. Have used it for Welsh Records mostly. Katherine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Sage" <ian.sage@tiscali.co.uk> To: <GLOUCESTER@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 9:49 AM Subject: [GLS] Early SAGEs in Gloucestershire > Hello all, > > My SAGE ancestors can be traced with certainty to mid-18th century > Yatton, Somerset, then disappear in a haze. In general, the name is > highly regionalised in an arc from Bristol through the Somerset coal > field down to Wells. Further concentrations of the name occur in East > Devon/West Somerset, in the Suffolk/Essex area (probably unrelated to > the Somerset families) and a small group in Scotland. > > However, the earliest reference I have to the name is in 1277, when John > SAGE granted 100 solidates of land at "Brickhampton" (Brockhampton?) > Gloucs to the recently founded Hailes Abbey. > Later, in 1312 John SAGE sold arable, meadow and yard-lands at Lower > Swell, Gloucs to Hailes Abbey. This could be a different John, but I > guess the balance of probability is that they are at least closely > related. > In 1327 John SAGE's estate at Lower Swell, Gloucs was assessed for 4s 2d > - nearly half the value of the vill. > > By 1341 I have my first mention of SAGE in Somerset. > > All this is some 400 years earlier than I am used to researching, and I > certainly do not expect to link these records with my own family. But I > am trying to understand what Sage families were around at early dates > and assess whether these Gloucestershire SAGEs may also have moved to > Somerset. So the questions: > > 1. Is anyone aware of other records relating to the SAGE name at early > dates? > 2. Are there any scholars on list who can give me advice on searching > for the name at this early period? In particular, is there a good > approach to try to find out what became of this presumed family? > > Many thanks for any help or advice, > > Ian > _____________________________________________ > > Gloucestershire Family History Society: > www.gfhs.org.uk > > Gloucestershire Archives: > www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=15434 > > Gloucestershire BMD Index 1837 to 2005: > http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On Tue, 09 Aug 2011 09:49:38 +0100, Ian Sage <ian.sage@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > My SAGE ancestors can be traced with certainty to mid-18th century > Yatton, Somerset, then disappear in a haze. > However, the earliest reference I have to the name is in 1277, when John > SAGE granted 100 solidates of land at "Brickhampton" (Brockhampton?) > Gloucs to the recently founded Hailes Abbey. > Is anyone aware of other records relating to the SAGE name at early > dates? Hi Ian, There's a National Archives reference to John SAGE and Sages a large holding within Slimbridge. This dates from c.1344: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=2189-bcm_1-1_2&cid=1-1-23#1-1-23 Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

Hi Ian, I think you're on the right track. Over the past year I have managed to assemble my paternal family from before parish records from Wills, Deeds and any other old documents I could find that mentioned them. The UK National Archives is one source, and British History Online is another. In addition, I have downloaded hundreds of books from Internet Archive and searched through them for early references. Sooner of later, you may have enough information to pinpoint the location where the family started. That is, if the surname wasn't one that popped up independently. Do you have any idea of the origins of the surname SAGE? The family I had success with was my DAVIDGE people. The surname is rare and not derived from an occupation. It may have been a version of a Norman surname, but I haven't found any links. My first records are in the 1300s and they all led me back to Buckhorn Weston, Dorset. The family appeared to be wealthy farmers, not nobility, and from there the sons branched out all over Somerset, Dorset & Wiltshire. Once you get that far back, it is really a hard slog, but when you do find something that links your family together, its a great feeling. I have a SAGE connection in my very extended family tree, so I am always interested to read information about the surname. I have filed your eMail away and if I ever get back that far, it may be helpful. Regards, Nancy Frey Newcastle, Ontario, CANADA OPC for Ansford & Castle Cary, Somerset Owner/Moderator of Yahoo! FULFORD_North Devon Group Owner/Moderator of Yahoo! DAVIDGE Connections Group ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Sage" <ian.sage@tiscali.co.uk> To: <GLOUCESTER@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 4:49 AM Subject: [GLS] Early SAGEs in Gloucestershire > Hello all, > > My SAGE ancestors can be traced with certainty to mid-18th century > Yatton, Somerset, then disappear in a haze. In general, the name is > highly regionalised in an arc from Bristol through the Somerset coal > field down to Wells. Further concentrations of the name occur in East > Devon/West Somerset, in the Suffolk/Essex area (probably unrelated to > the Somerset families) and a small group in Scotland. > > However, the earliest reference I have to the name is in 1277, when John > SAGE granted 100 solidates of land at "Brickhampton" (Brockhampton?) > Gloucs to the recently founded Hailes Abbey. > Later, in 1312 John SAGE sold arable, meadow and yard-lands at Lower > Swell, Gloucs to Hailes Abbey. This could be a different John, but I > guess the balance of probability is that they are at least closely related. > In 1327 John SAGE's estate at Lower Swell, Gloucs was assessed for 4s 2d > - nearly half the value of the vill. > > By 1341 I have my first mention of SAGE in Somerset. > > All this is some 400 years earlier than I am used to researching, and I > certainly do not expect to link these records with my own family. But I > am trying to understand what Sage families were around at early dates > and assess whether these Gloucestershire SAGEs may also have moved to > Somerset. So the questions: > > 1. Is anyone aware of other records relating to the SAGE name at early > dates? > 2. Are there any scholars on list who can give me advice on searching > for the name at this early period? In particular, is there a good > approach to try to find out what became of this presumed family? > > Many thanks for any help or advice, > > Ian > _____________________________________________ > > Gloucestershire Family History Society: > www.gfhs.org.uk > > Gloucestershire Archives: > www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=15434 > > Gloucestershire BMD Index 1837 to 2005: > http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In my earlier message, I wrote: >In 1327 John SAGE's estate at Lower Swell, Gloucs was assessed for 4s 2d - nearly half the value of the vill. My apologies - this valuation was at Staverton, not Lower Swell. Ian

OH I so wish - what a great day I am sure it will be <G> Eliz On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 4:18 AM, Ian Sage <ian.sage@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > Dear all, > > After a little discussion on and off different mailing lists, another social and family history discussion meeting will be held this year on October 15th at the Salthouse, Clevedon - the same venue as last year.  The Salthouse is easily accessible for those travelling from the north, east or west by car; we can arrive from mid-morning, and lunch will be available from their new menu (to be pre-ordered in due course). For those bringing laptops, we are promised use of a few extension leads and an internet connection. > > This is always a friendly event and you may even find yourself sitting next to an unknown distant cousin. (I know I have!) All with an interest in family history in the wider region of Bristol and the surrounding counties of Somerset and Gloucestershire are very welcome; if you want to attend or just to be kept informed about the event, please contact me direct atsage_gen@tiscali.co.uk > > If you cannot attend, but would like to be added to our "absent friends" list, also let me know by email and you can raise a glass with us at 1:00pm UK time. > > Hoping to see as many of you as possible in October, > > Ian Sage > >  _____________________________________________ > > Gloucestershire Family History Society: > www.gfhs.org.uk > > Gloucestershire Archives: > www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=15434 > > Gloucestershire BMD Index 1837 to 2005: > http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello all, My SAGE ancestors can be traced with certainty to mid-18th century Yatton, Somerset, then disappear in a haze. In general, the name is highly regionalised in an arc from Bristol through the Somerset coal field down to Wells. Further concentrations of the name occur in East Devon/West Somerset, in the Suffolk/Essex area (probably unrelated to the Somerset families) and a small group in Scotland. However, the earliest reference I have to the name is in 1277, when John SAGE granted 100 solidates of land at "Brickhampton" (Brockhampton?) Gloucs to the recently founded Hailes Abbey. Later, in 1312 John SAGE sold arable, meadow and yard-lands at Lower Swell, Gloucs to Hailes Abbey. This could be a different John, but I guess the balance of probability is that they are at least closely related. In 1327 John SAGE's estate at Lower Swell, Gloucs was assessed for 4s 2d - nearly half the value of the vill. By 1341 I have my first mention of SAGE in Somerset. All this is some 400 years earlier than I am used to researching, and I certainly do not expect to link these records with my own family. But I am trying to understand what Sage families were around at early dates and assess whether these Gloucestershire SAGEs may also have moved to Somerset. So the questions: 1. Is anyone aware of other records relating to the SAGE name at early dates? 2. Are there any scholars on list who can give me advice on searching for the name at this early period? In particular, is there a good approach to try to find out what became of this presumed family? Many thanks for any help or advice, Ian

Dear all, After a little discussion on and off different mailing lists, another social and family history discussion meeting will be held this year on October 15th at the Salthouse, Clevedon - the same venue as last year. The Salthouse is easily accessible for those travelling from the north, east or west by car; we can arrive from mid-morning, and lunch will be available from their new menu (to be pre-ordered in due course). For those bringing laptops, we are promised use of a few extension leads and an internet connection. This is always a friendly event and you may even find yourself sitting next to an unknown distant cousin. (I know I have!) All with an interest in family history in the wider region of Bristol and the surrounding counties of Somerset and Gloucestershire are very welcome; if you want to attend or just to be kept informed about the event, please contact me direct atsage_gen@tiscali.co.uk If you cannot attend, but would like to be added to our "absent friends" list, also let me know by email and you can raise a glass with us at 1:00pm UK time. Hoping to see as many of you as possible in October, Ian Sage

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After a long absence I am once again going to try and break down my brick wall with my BEASLEY family. I am trying to find the parents of William Beasley, born 1803 in Down Ampney. Also any info on his family and wife would be appreciated, do hope someone can help me this time around. Thank you for taking the time to read this post. Sonia Tanner/Beasley

Hi again Janet Thank you very much for these details and for taking the time to look and see if any other people named the same surnames were married, baptised or buried in this location, I have looked and looked and cannot see anything else that fits the area or this couple as and alternative and when I look at where Catherine was from and where William states he was born I can see how near this place was to them both, I will try and search for a baptism for Catherine CROOK born Aldsworth c1781 and William ROBINS born Icomb c1789 in the hope that I can possibly find links with this and their families and the details I now already have. Again thank you for your time. Best regardsGillian ---------------------------------------- > From: janet@boothworld.co.uk > To: gloucester@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 11:10:12 +0100 > Subject: Re: [GLS] ROBINS marriage enquiry > > Hi again Gillian, > > I can give you the details for the marriage at Fifield in 1813 - I did look > at it before to see if there were any details which confirmed it could be > your William but got sidetracked by family matters at the time!! > > >From Oxfordshire FHS Parish Register Transcripts of Fifield: > > 22 Feb 1813 William ROBINS & Catherine CROOK by banns. Both made their > mark > and the witnesses were William SALTER & Thos. MOLTCOTE > > All I can tell you from the transcripts is that there are no other CROOK or > ROBINS marriages, baptisms or burials at Fifield, so it does not look as if > either of them hailed from there. > > Janet > > > > > Sorry about my previous request what I had meant to send was a request to > > ask if anyone can provide additional details for the following marriage> > > groom's name: William Robins > > bride's name: Catherine Crook > > marriage date: 22 Feb 1813 > > marriage place: Fifield By Burford, Oxford > > _____________________________________________ > > Gloucestershire Family History Society: > www.gfhs.org.uk > > Gloucestershire Archives: > www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=15434 > > Gloucestershire BMD Index 1837 to 2005: > http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi again Gillian, I can give you the details for the marriage at Fifield in 1813 - I did look at it before to see if there were any details which confirmed it could be your William but got sidetracked by family matters at the time!! >From Oxfordshire FHS Parish Register Transcripts of Fifield: 22 Feb 1813 William ROBINS & Catherine CROOK by banns. Both made their mark and the witnesses were William SALTER & Thos. MOLTCOTE All I can tell you from the transcripts is that there are no other CROOK or ROBINS marriages, baptisms or burials at Fifield, so it does not look as if either of them hailed from there. Janet > Sorry about my previous request what I had meant to send was a request to > ask if anyone can provide additional details for the following marriage> > groom's name: William Robins > bride's name: Catherine Crook > marriage date: 22 Feb 1813 > marriage place: Fifield By Burford, Oxford

Hello List Sorry about my previous request what I had meant to send was a request to ask if anyone can provide additional details for the following marriage, not the one in 1817, and could this be a viable marriage for a couple whose first child appears to be baptised in Aldworth, the mother (wife below) was from Aldsworth and the father from Icomb originally and all other children born Laverton: groom's name: William Robins bride's name: Catherine Crook marriage date: 22 Feb 1813 marriage place: Fifield By Burford, Oxford indexing project (batch) number: M04786-1 system origin: England-ODM source film number: 95247 Thank you in advance. Best regards Gillian Taylor Shaw -------------------------------------------------- From: "Gillian Taylor Shaw" <gilliantaylorshaw@hotmail.com> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 11:46 PM To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> Subject: [GLS] ROBINS marriage enquiry > > Hello List > Further to my original enquiry to which Janet was able to supply me with > great details and Marilyn was able to assist and provide more details > which is fantastic, I feel that the following marriage could possible be > that of William ROBINS and wondered whether anyone had access to the > records for this area: > WILLIAM ROBINS > > Marriages: > > Spouse: CATHARINE SMITH > > > 16 OCT 1817 > Wickhamford, Worcester > > Source Information: > > Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: > Type: > > M025212 1700 - 1882 0527931 > Film 1238662 Film > > Sheet: 00 > Thank you in advance. > Best regardsGillian Taylor Shaw > _____________________________________________ > > Gloucestershire Family History Society: > www.gfhs.org.uk > > Gloucestershire Archives: > www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=15434 > > Gloucestershire BMD Index 1837 to 2005: > http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello List Further to my original enquiry to which Janet was able to supply me with great details and Marilyn was able to assist and provide more details which is fantastic, I feel that the following marriage could possible be that of William ROBINS and wondered whether anyone had access to the records for this area:  WILLIAM ROBINS Marriages: Spouse: CATHARINE SMITH  16 OCT 1817  Wickhamford, Worcester Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: M025212 1700 - 1882 0527931  Film 1238662  Film Sheet: 00 Thank you in advance. Best regardsGillian Taylor Shaw

Hi Janet Thank you very much for these details they are exactly what I was looking for and have given me much more than I expected was available, they also confirm what I had hoped about my ancestor Mary ROBINS being the child of this couple. Best regardsGillian ---------------------------------------- > From: janet@boothworld.co.uk > To: gloucester@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 16:50:16 +0100 > Subject: Re: [GLS] ROBINS enquiry > > Hello Gillian, > > >From Gloucestershire FHS Baptismal Index, all at Buckland St Michael: > > 5 May 1816 Sarah ROBINS daughter of William & Catherine, > Labourer, Laverton > 20 September 1818 Elizabeth ROBINS daughter of William & Catherine, > Labourer, Laverton > 5 August 1821 Richard ROBINS son of William & Catherine, > Labourer, Laverton > 28 September 1823 Thomas ROBINS son of William & Catherine, Labourer, > Laverton > 27 November 1825 Mary ROBINS daughter of William & Catherine, > Labourer, Laverton > > I can't find a marriage for William & Catherine on the Gloucestershire FHS > Marriage Index so perhaps they married in a different county and presumably > before May 1816. > > There are 3 burials for ROBINS on the Gloucestershire Burial Index at > Buckland: > > 3 November 1846 Susan ROBINS of Laverton, aged 37 > 12 November 1867 Katharine ROBINS of Laverton, aged 86 > 10 April 1869 William ROBINS of Laverton, aged 79 > > HTH > > Janet > > I am trying to locate earlier information on family that resided in > Laverton, Icomb, Aldsworth, Buckland area, the details I have are for: > William ROBINS born c1786 Icomb who married a Catherine c 1783 (possibly > maiden name of SMITH but only say this because I cannot locate a more > suitable lady named Catherine for a marriage around this time). > Catherine on the 1851 census states she was born Allswarsh, Gloucestershire > though this is possible Aldsworth, Gloucestershire and has been transcribed > incorrectly. > Possible children: > Mary ROBINS c1826 born LavertonThomas ROBUINS c1826 born LavertonElizabeth > ROBINS c1821 born Laverton?Richard ROBINS c1826 born Laverton? > > _____________________________________________ > > Gloucestershire Family History Society: > www.gfhs.org.uk > > Gloucestershire Archives: > www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=15434 > > Gloucestershire BMD Index 1837 to 2005: > http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Gillian, >From Gloucestershire FHS Baptismal Index, all at Buckland St Michael: 5 May 1816 Sarah ROBINS daughter of William & Catherine, Labourer, Laverton 20 September 1818 Elizabeth ROBINS daughter of William & Catherine, Labourer, Laverton 5 August 1821 Richard ROBINS son of William & Catherine, Labourer, Laverton 28 September 1823 Thomas ROBINS son of William & Catherine, Labourer, Laverton 27 November 1825 Mary ROBINS daughter of William & Catherine, Labourer, Laverton I can't find a marriage for William & Catherine on the Gloucestershire FHS Marriage Index so perhaps they married in a different county and presumably before May 1816. There are 3 burials for ROBINS on the Gloucestershire Burial Index at Buckland: 3 November 1846 Susan ROBINS of Laverton, aged 37 12 November 1867 Katharine ROBINS of Laverton, aged 86 10 April 1869 William ROBINS of Laverton, aged 79 HTH Janet I am trying to locate earlier information on family that resided in Laverton, Icomb, Aldsworth, Buckland area, the details I have are for: William ROBINS born c1786 Icomb who married a Catherine c 1783 (possibly maiden name of SMITH but only say this because I cannot locate a more suitable lady named Catherine for a marriage around this time). Catherine on the 1851 census states she was born Allswarsh, Gloucestershire though this is possible Aldsworth, Gloucestershire and has been transcribed incorrectly. Possible children: Mary ROBINS c1826 born LavertonThomas ROBUINS c1826 born LavertonElizabeth ROBINS c1821 born Laverton?Richard ROBINS c1826 born Laverton?