Hi All, I am wondering if anyone has got the surname GRIMSBY in their tree as I would like to hear from you. jenny

Thanks everyone. My brickwall remains unclimbed. It's just possible that William and Ann were living with one of their daughters when they died  in Stroud. The William buried in the church at Chalford is my 2g grandfather who died in a fall while working on the church at Ashton Keynes. Thanks for your help I'll keep searching. David Thomas  

Dear Gillian, Goodness, everyone has been up to the mark overnight. I have heaps to work on this morning. Thank you Gillian for all the information below, at a quick glance it all seems to fit. On Tuesday I can go to LDS again to search 1911 census. This is what I have so far which is not much. I was actually tracing the CODD family in Devon. I was going through some baptism's in Plymouth and came across a Winifred Alice CODD bapt at Christ Church, Plymouth 14 Sep 1899, born 25 Jul 1899. The parents were at 31 Oxford St, Plymouth Charles. William CODD the father is a Police Constable, mother Annie Alice. William CODD bapt 8 Jan 1860 in Chillington, Stokenham, Devon married Annie Alice CULL 28 Dec 1898 at Plymouth Charles, Devon. A look at the 1901 census finds William with a wife Annie Alice still at 31 Oxford St, with Annie recorded as born Tetbury which led me to Annie Alice CULL of Gloucestershire. Now, I love good old Glos. because there are many more events recorded on the IGI than for Devon. . I figured she would be easy to find so looked at the 1871 census and found a suitable parent as John CULL a plasterer born Tetbury [which now matches the marriage entry of John CULL] and Mary Ann BAYLISS who was born Badminton. I could not find anything useful re Badminton on Genuki. The name BAYLISS lit up my life as I have been trying to find a Thomas BAYLISS c 1854 who at one time may have lived in Wimborne Dorset and who may have married Sarah Ann BELCHER in 1884. This family moved to Monmouth in Wales. There are just so many Thomas BAYLISS'S out there, with quite a few with a wife Sarah. In 1910 Thomas was a Government Surveyor Silly me was actually thinking that this BAYLISS family may be kin to the family BAYLISS above, but that would be too easy wouldn't it? Hope the above makes sense to everyone and I do hope I have the right Annie Alice CULL who married William CODD in Plymouth, Devon. It looks like it anyway. His line actually links back to my EDMONDS family in Stokenham Devon. Thanks to evryone for your thoughts and help. Regards Bev in Oz

Hi Beverley Welcome to the mailing list, I am sure someone else may be able to add more to the following: I suspect you have the following census details 1881 Census: Chipping Hill, Tetbury, Gloucester John CULL Head M 35 Tetbury, Gloucester, Tiler & Plasterer Mary A. CULL Wife M 38 Badminton, Gloucester Annie A. CULL Daur 12 Tetbury, Gloucester, Scholar Florence E. CULL Daur 5 Tetbury, Gloucester, Scholar Frederick W. CULL Son 2 Tetbury, Gloucester Laura J. CULL Daur 1 Tetbury, Gloucester Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 2552 / 85 Page Number 25 1871 Census: John Cull 25 Tetbury, Gloucestershire, Head, Plasterer Mary A Cull 28 (1843) Badminton, Gloucestershire, Wife Annie A Cull 2 Tetbury, Gloucestershire, Daughter Source: RG10; Piece: 2643; Folio: 70; Page: 7 Looking at births for CULL / BAYLIS(S): CULL Annie Alice MMN: BAYLISS 1868 Cirencester Tetbury, Tetbury 9 83 CULL Harold Thomas MMN: BAYLISS 1872 Cirencester Tetbury, Tetbury 10 211 CULL Florence Elizabeth MMN: BAYLISS 1875 Cirencester Tetbury, Tetbury 11 31 CULL Frederick William MMN: BAYLISS 1878 Cirencester Tetbury, Tetbury 12 5 CULL Laura Jane MMN: BAYLIS 1879 Cirencester Tetbury, Tetbury 12 124 Marriage for John and Mary: CULL John and BAYLISS Mary at Cirencester Tetbury St Mary the Virgin year: 1868 reg: 2 ent: 25 Christenings for Annie: ANNIE ALICE CULL Christening: 26 JUN 1868 Tetbury, Gloucester Parents: Father: JOHN CULL Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: C054862 1813 - 1875 0856950 Film 6900606 Film Sheet: 00 HAROLD THOMAS CULL Christening: 26 FEB 1873 Tetbury, Gloucester Parents: Father: JOHN CULL Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: C054862 1813 - 1875 0856950 Film 6900606 Film Sheet: 00 Possibility for May BAYLIS(S) in 1861: Servant at Charles ILIFFE household: 1861 Census: Harborne, Staffordshire Mary A Bayless 1842 Badingham, Gloucestershire, Un, General Servant Civil parish: Harborne Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter County/Island: Staffordshire Registration district: Kings Norton Sub-registration district: Harborne Source: RG9; Piece: 2125; Folio: 14; Page: 22 1851 Census: Tetbury, Gloucestershire William Baylis 1819 Badminton, Gloucestershire, Head, Ag Lab Elizabeth Baylis 1820 Shipton, Gloucestershire, Wife Sarah J Baylis 1840 St Brevals, Gloucestershire, Daughter, Scholar Mary Ann Baylis 1843 Badminton, Gloucestershire, Daughter William S Baylis 1849 Shipton, Gloucestershire, Son Civil parish: Tetbury County: Gloucestershire Reg district: Tetbury Sub-registration dist: Didmarton Best regards Gillian -------------------------------------------------- From: "bedmonds" <beverley@yourisp.com.au> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 4:00 AM To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> Subject: [GLS] John CULL = Mary BAYLISS c 1868 Tetbury > Hi, > > My first e-mail does not seem to have gotten through, apologies if you > receive this twice. > > Please, would anyone have any information regarding the family of John > CULL > and Mary BAYLISS who married Tetbury R/D in 1868. Would love to hear from > anyone with knowlede of baptisms or parentage for Mary BAYLISS. Also, does > anyone hold baptisms for Tetbury c 1869 for their daughter Annie Alice > CULL. > > Regards > Beverley Edmonds > > Beverley Edmonds > Researching all EDMONDS anywhere in Devon > > _____________________________________________ > > Gloucestershire Family History Society: > www.gfhs.org.uk > > Gloucestershire Archives: > www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=15434 > > Gloucestershire BMD Index 1837 to 2005: > http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi I am researching culls in Stroud. my fathers side. but i c hecked BMD and found Annie Alice born Tetbury, June quarter 1868 No 6a 339 Hope this will help. Ann from Essex ----- Original Message ----- From: "bedmonds" <beverley@yourisp.com.au> To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 4:00 AM Subject: [GLS] John CULL = Mary BAYLISS c 1868 Tetbury > Hi, > > My first e-mail does not seem to have gotten through, apologies if you > receive this twice. > > Please, would anyone have any information regarding the family of John > CULL > and Mary BAYLISS who married Tetbury R/D in 1868. Would love to hear from > anyone with knowlede of baptisms or parentage for Mary BAYLISS. Also, does > anyone hold baptisms for Tetbury c 1869 for their daughter Annie Alice > CULL. > > Regards > Beverley Edmonds > > Beverley Edmonds > Researching all EDMONDS anywhere in Devon > > _____________________________________________ > > Gloucestershire Family History Society: > www.gfhs.org.uk > > Gloucestershire Archives: > www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=15434 > > Gloucestershire BMD Index 1837 to 2005: > http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, My first e-mail does not seem to have gotten through, apologies if you receive this twice. Please, would anyone have any information regarding the family of John CULL and Mary BAYLISS who married Tetbury R/D in 1868. Would love to hear from anyone with knowlede of baptisms or parentage for Mary BAYLISS. Also, does anyone hold baptisms for Tetbury c 1869 for their daughter Annie Alice CULL. Regards Beverley Edmonds Beverley Edmonds Researching all EDMONDS anywhere in Devon

Hello Peter >From GFHS Baptismal Index: 3 Feb 1815 at Coln St Aldwyns Richard RUSSEL son of Joseph & Hannah, Labourer As Joseph & wife Hannah are in the 1841/51 census records of Bibury & Joseph still there in 1871 shown as a widower, these would appear to be the baptisms of their other children: 11 Nov 1821 at Bibury Jesse RUSSELL son of Joseph & Hanah, Labourer 10 Dec 1826 at Bibury George RUSSELL son of Joseph & Hannah, Labourer There is also a Robert RUSSEL, son of Joseph & Hannah, Labourer, baptised at Cranham on 16 April 1819 - perhaps a possibility? There is a burial at Bibury (source Gloucestershire Burial Index) of a Joseph RUSSELL on 20 August 1868, aged 83, which would appear to fit in very well with the census info. GFHS Marriage Index confirms the marriage of Joseph RUSSELL and Hannah HOWSE on 19 Feb 1814 at Coln St Aldwyns by banns. Hugh Wallis's IGI site shows the baptism of a Hannah HOWSE at Coln St Aldwyn on 18 Dec 1785, parents John & Hannah HOWES. I can't find a marriage for John & Hannah, but there are these burials on the Burial Index: 9 April 1820 at Coln St Aldwyns John HOWES, aged 62 2 April 1846 at Coln St Aldwyns Hannah HOWSE, aged 89 Janet > My GGG Grandfather, Joseph Russell was born in 1785 at Colne Rogers and > married Hannah Howes/House from Coln St Aldwyns in 1814. > > His father was John Russell, born 1758 in Quenington who married Joyce > Butler in 1784. > > Does anyone have any further information about these families?

Hi Lynne/David Nothing at all in Bigland for Chalford!! It was only created as a parish in 1842, from Bisley, so I had a quick look there and they have nothing for the 19th century at all. The GFHS Burial Index has only one Thomas burial in Bisley - 5 month old Charles Thomas son of Thomas and Ann Thomas on 1st September 1833. Liz _______________________________________________   Elizabeth Jack Hidden Heritage: www.hidden-heritage.co.uk Connect with nature: www.wildobs.com Researching BLINKHORNE, SOSBE, GWINNETT   -----Original Message----- From: gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lynne Cleaver Sent: 21 August 2011 17:56 To: gloucester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GLS] THOMAS Chalford Hi Liz, I was thinking of the BGAS edition which had some updates in.....hopefully....:-[ On 21/08/2011 00:10, Elizabeth Jack wrote: > Hi Lynne > > Bigland's work ended in the 1790s so no 19th century inscriptions should be > in it. > > Liz > > _______________________________________________ > > Elizabeth Jack > Hidden Heritage: www.hidden-heritage.co.uk > Connect with nature: www.wildobs.com > Researching BLINKHORNE, SOSBE, GWINNETT > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lynne Cleaver > Sent: 20 August 2011 20:59 > To: DAVID THOMAS; gloucester@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GLS] THOMAS Chalford > > Hi David > This website > http://www.glosgen.co.uk/stroudarea.htm#Chalford > lists 4 Thomas's with memorial inscriptions in the church, one being > William. Obviously wrong date for the father, and not the brother if he > went to Canada. I wonder if the BGAS edition of Biglands Memorials will > have any of them in, if any other lister has the volume A-D on their > book shelf. > > Regards > Lynne > > On 20/08/2011 15:07, DAVID THOMAS wrote: >> John THOMAS b 1813 son of William THOMAS and Ann SELBY.Chalford. John > later became a sculpter and >> architect and biographies state that he was orphaned at the age of >> thirteen. Johns brother Richard Selby Thomas is commemorated in Chalford > Parish Church with a memorial by his John. He had two sisters Ann and >> Elizabeth who married and moved to Stroud and an architect brother >> William who moved to Birmingham then Canada. Another brother Robert >> moved to Oxford. >> If John was orphaned at 13 yrs then William >> or Ann must have died around 1826 but I cannot trace a death for either. > Can anyone suggest any sources for deaths in Gloucestershire for that >> period. Some of the family were christened in Bisley and some in >> Minchinhampton. >> Any help appreciated.David Thomas >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Gloucestershire Family History Society: >> www.gfhs.org.uk >> >> Gloucestershire Archives: >> www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=15434 >> >> Gloucestershire BMD Index 1837 to 2005: >> http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > _____________________________________________ > > Gloucestershire Family History Society: > www.gfhs.org.uk > > Gloucestershire Archives: > www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=15434 > > Gloucestershire BMD Index 1837 to 2005: > http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > _____________________________________________ > > Gloucestershire Family History Society: > www.gfhs.org.uk > > Gloucestershire Archives: > www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=15434 > > Gloucestershire BMD Index 1837 to 2005: > http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > _____________________________________________ Gloucestershire Family History Society: www.gfhs.org.uk Gloucestershire Archives: www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=15434 Gloucestershire BMD Index 1837 to 2005: http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My GGG Grandfather, Joseph Russell was born in 1785 at Colne Rogers and married Hannah Howes/House from Coln St Aldwyns in 1814. His father was John Russell, born 1758 in Quenington who married Joyce Butler in 1784. Does anyone have any further information about these families? Peter Russell.

Hi Liz, I was thinking of the BGAS edition which had some updates in.....hopefully....:-[ On 21/08/2011 00:10, Elizabeth Jack wrote: > Hi Lynne > > Bigland's work ended in the 1790s so no 19th century inscriptions should be > in it. > > Liz > > _______________________________________________ > > Elizabeth Jack > Hidden Heritage: www.hidden-heritage.co.uk > Connect with nature: www.wildobs.com > Researching BLINKHORNE, SOSBE, GWINNETT > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lynne Cleaver > Sent: 20 August 2011 20:59 > To: DAVID THOMAS; gloucester@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GLS] THOMAS Chalford > > Hi David > This website > http://www.glosgen.co.uk/stroudarea.htm#Chalford > lists 4 Thomas's with memorial inscriptions in the church, one being > William. Obviously wrong date for the father, and not the brother if he > went to Canada. I wonder if the BGAS edition of Biglands Memorials will > have any of them in, if any other lister has the volume A-D on their > book shelf. > > Regards > Lynne > > On 20/08/2011 15:07, DAVID THOMAS wrote: >> John THOMAS b 1813 son of William THOMAS and Ann SELBY.Chalford. John > later became a sculpter and >> architect and biographies state that he was orphaned at the age of >> thirteen. Johns brother Richard Selby Thomas is commemorated in Chalford > Parish Church with a memorial by his John. He had two sisters Ann and >> Elizabeth who married and moved to Stroud and an architect brother >> William who moved to Birmingham then Canada. Another brother Robert >> moved to Oxford. >> If John was orphaned at 13 yrs then William >> or Ann must have died around 1826 but I cannot trace a death for either. > Can anyone suggest any sources for deaths in Gloucestershire for that >> period. Some of the family were christened in Bisley and some in >> Minchinhampton. >> Any help appreciated.David Thomas >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Gloucestershire Family History Society: >> www.gfhs.org.uk >> >> Gloucestershire Archives: >> www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=15434 >> >> Gloucestershire BMD Index 1837 to 2005: >> http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > _____________________________________________ > > Gloucestershire Family History Society: > www.gfhs.org.uk > > Gloucestershire Archives: > www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=15434 > > Gloucestershire BMD Index 1837 to 2005: > http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > _____________________________________________ > > Gloucestershire Family History Society: > www.gfhs.org.uk > > Gloucestershire Archives: > www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=15434 > > Gloucestershire BMD Index 1837 to 2005: > http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Lynne Bigland's work ended in the 1790s so no 19th century inscriptions should be in it. Liz _______________________________________________   Elizabeth Jack Hidden Heritage: www.hidden-heritage.co.uk Connect with nature: www.wildobs.com Researching BLINKHORNE, SOSBE, GWINNETT   -----Original Message----- From: gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lynne Cleaver Sent: 20 August 2011 20:59 To: DAVID THOMAS; gloucester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GLS] THOMAS Chalford Hi David This website http://www.glosgen.co.uk/stroudarea.htm#Chalford lists 4 Thomas's with memorial inscriptions in the church, one being William. Obviously wrong date for the father, and not the brother if he went to Canada. I wonder if the BGAS edition of Biglands Memorials will have any of them in, if any other lister has the volume A-D on their book shelf. Regards Lynne On 20/08/2011 15:07, DAVID THOMAS wrote: > John THOMAS b 1813 son of William THOMAS and Ann SELBY.Chalford. John later became a sculpter and > architect and biographies state that he was orphaned at the age of > thirteen. Johns brother Richard Selby Thomas is commemorated in Chalford Parish Church with a memorial by his John. He had two sisters Ann and > Elizabeth who married and moved to Stroud and an architect brother > William who moved to Birmingham then Canada. Another brother Robert > moved to Oxford. > If John was orphaned at 13 yrs then William > or Ann must have died around 1826 but I cannot trace a death for either. Can anyone suggest any sources for deaths in Gloucestershire for that > period. Some of the family were christened in Bisley and some in > Minchinhampton. > Any help appreciated.David Thomas > > _____________________________________________ > > Gloucestershire Family History Society: > www.gfhs.org.uk > > Gloucestershire Archives: > www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=15434 > > Gloucestershire BMD Index 1837 to 2005: > http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > _____________________________________________ Gloucestershire Family History Society: www.gfhs.org.uk Gloucestershire Archives: www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=15434 Gloucestershire BMD Index 1837 to 2005: http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi David This website http://www.glosgen.co.uk/stroudarea.htm#Chalford lists 4 Thomas's with memorial inscriptions in the church, one being William. Obviously wrong date for the father, and not the brother if he went to Canada. I wonder if the BGAS edition of Biglands Memorials will have any of them in, if any other lister has the volume A-D on their book shelf. Regards Lynne On 20/08/2011 15:07, DAVID THOMAS wrote: > John THOMAS b 1813 son of William THOMAS and Ann SELBY.Chalford. John later became a sculpter and > architect and biographies state that he was orphaned at the age of > thirteen. Johns brother Richard Selby Thomas is commemorated in Chalford Parish Church with a memorial by his John. He had two sisters Ann and > Elizabeth who married and moved to Stroud and an architect brother > William who moved to Birmingham then Canada. Another brother Robert > moved to Oxford. > If John was orphaned at 13 yrs then William > or Ann must have died around 1826 but I cannot trace a death for either. Can anyone suggest any sources for deaths in Gloucestershire for that > period. Some of the family were christened in Bisley and some in > Minchinhampton. > Any help appreciated.David Thomas > > _____________________________________________ > > Gloucestershire Family History Society: > www.gfhs.org.uk > > Gloucestershire Archives: > www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=15434 > > Gloucestershire BMD Index 1837 to 2005: > http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

John THOMAS b 1813 son of William THOMAS and Ann SELBY.Chalford.  John later became a sculpter and architect and biographies state that he was orphaned at the age of thirteen. Johns brother Richard Selby Thomas is commemorated in Chalford Parish Church with a memorial by his John. He had two sisters Ann and Elizabeth who married and moved to Stroud and an architect brother William who moved to Birmingham then Canada. Another brother Robert moved to Oxford. If John was orphaned at 13 yrs then William or Ann must have died around 1826 but I cannot trace a death for either. Can anyone suggest any sources for deaths in Gloucestershire for that period. Some of the family were christened in Bisley and some in Minchinhampton. Any help appreciated.David Thomas

Hello Gillian The children were- William b 1813 Tewkesbury d. 1815 TewkesburyCharles b 1816 Gloucester City d. 1875 CheltenhamJames b 1819 Gloucester City d 1809 NZEliza b 1821 Tewkesbury d 1825 CheltenhamWilliam b 1822 Cheltenham d 1825 cheltenhamCaroline b 1824 Cheltenham d 1824 CheltenhamMatilda b 1827 Cheltenham d 1832 CheltenhamSophia b 1829 Cheltenham d 1832 Cheltenham There may also have been a Mary buried in Tewkesbury in 1815 aged 4 months. IN 1841 Samuel and Elizabeth were in Fountain Passage just off 220 High St Cheltenham.Their son Charles and his wife had their son Henry at 220 High St in 1845, according to his birth certificate. In 1851 Samuel and Elizabeth were in Rutland St Cheltenham as were Charles and Sarah and family although at a different address. Elizabeth died in 1853 and Samuel in 1855 both in Rutland St. I am descended from Samuel through Charles. Joyce   ---------------------------------------- > From: gilliantaylorshaw@hotmail.com > To: gloucester@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:35:23 +0100 > Subject: Re: [GLS] BROWNING brick wall > > Hello Joyce > > What were the names of their children and where were they born? > > Where exactly are they during the census periods? > > Best regards > Gillian > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Joyce Robertson" <joyisorob@hotmail.com> > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 12:22 PM > To: "Gloucester- L" <gloucester-l@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [GLS] BROWNING brick wall > > > > > Hello List > > After a long > > gap I have decided to see whether anyone can help with my brick wall. I > > have > > Samuel BROWNING born abt 1792-6 in Gloucestershire according to the 1841 > > census, > > and in Cheltenham according to the 1851 census. > > He was living in Cheltenham with his wife Elizabeth Harris on both > > occasions and she was born in Gloucester city c 1788. They married in 1812 > > in Upton > > upon Severn. I have the baptisms and deaths of all their children and the > > couple spent all their married life in Tewkesbury, Gloucester and > > Cheltenham. > > > > > > I have investigated > > all the baptisms from Cheltenham and around and there is no Samuel. The > > other > > Samuel BROWNINGs around Gloucestershire have all been investigated and > > scored > > off for one reason or another, leaving only the Samuel BROWNING the > > illegitimate son of Sarah BROWNING who was baptised in Frampton upon > > Severn in 1792. > > > > > > The problem > > is that I have no further information about this Samuel so I can’t > > positively identify > > him. My Samuel always worked at manual jobs such as labouring, rope > > making, gardening > > etc. His marriage was just after the completion of the towpath in Upton > > upon Severn leading > > me to believe that perhaps he had been working on that and was then able > > to > > afford to get married. > > > > > > Has anyone > > any further information on the BROWNING family of Frampton or any ideas > > for further research which could help me > > to decide whether this is ‘my Samuel’? > > > > Thank you for any help. > > Joyce Robertson (from Scotland) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > > > Gloucestershire Family History Society: > > www.gfhs.org.uk > > > > Gloucestershire Archives: > > www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=15434 > > > > Gloucestershire BMD Index 1837 to 2005: > > http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > _____________________________________________ > > Gloucestershire Family History Society: > www.gfhs.org.uk > > Gloucestershire Archives: > www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=15434 > > Gloucestershire BMD Index 1837 to 2005: > http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Joyce What were the names of their children and where were they born? Where exactly are they during the census periods? Best regards Gillian -------------------------------------------------- From: "Joyce Robertson" <joyisorob@hotmail.com> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 12:22 PM To: "Gloucester- L" <gloucester-l@rootsweb.com> Subject: [GLS] BROWNING brick wall > > Hello List > After a long > gap I have decided to see whether anyone can help with my brick wall. I > have > Samuel BROWNING born abt 1792-6 in Gloucestershire according to the 1841 > census, > and in Cheltenham according to the 1851 census. > He was living in Cheltenham with his wife Elizabeth Harris on both > occasions and she was born in Gloucester city c 1788. They married in 1812 > in Upton > upon Severn. I have the baptisms and deaths of all their children and the > couple spent all their married life in Tewkesbury, Gloucester and > Cheltenham. > > > I have investigated > all the baptisms from Cheltenham and around and there is no Samuel. The > other > Samuel BROWNINGs around Gloucestershire have all been investigated and > scored > off for one reason or another, leaving only the Samuel BROWNING the > illegitimate son of Sarah BROWNING who was baptised in Frampton upon > Severn in 1792. > > > The problem > is that I have no further information about this Samuel so I can’t > positively identify > him. My Samuel always worked at manual jobs such as labouring, rope > making, gardening > etc. His marriage was just after the completion of the towpath in Upton > upon Severn leading > me to believe that perhaps he had been working on that and was then able > to > afford to get married. > > > Has anyone > any further information on the BROWNING family of Frampton or any ideas > for further research which could help me > to decide whether this is ‘my Samuel’? > > Thank you for any help. > Joyce Robertson (from Scotland) > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > Gloucestershire Family History Society: > www.gfhs.org.uk > > Gloucestershire Archives: > www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=15434 > > Gloucestershire BMD Index 1837 to 2005: > http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello List After a long gap I have decided to see whether anyone can help with my brick wall. I have Samuel BROWNING born abt 1792-6 in Gloucestershire according to the 1841 census, and in Cheltenham according to the 1851 census. He was living in Cheltenham with his wife Elizabeth Harris on both occasions and she was born in Gloucester city c 1788. They married in 1812 in Upton upon Severn. I have the baptisms and deaths of all their children and the couple spent all their married life in Tewkesbury, Gloucester and Cheltenham. I have investigated all the baptisms from Cheltenham and around and there is no Samuel. The other Samuel BROWNINGs around Gloucestershire have all been investigated and scored off for one reason or another, leaving only the Samuel BROWNING the illegitimate son of Sarah BROWNING who was baptised in Frampton upon Severn in 1792. The problem is that I have no further information about this Samuel so I can’t positively identify him. My Samuel always worked at manual jobs such as labouring, rope making, gardening etc. His marriage was just after the completion of the towpath in Upton upon Severn leading me to believe that perhaps he had been working on that and was then able to afford to get married. Has anyone any further information on the BROWNING family of Frampton or any ideas for further research which could help me to decide whether this is ‘my Samuel’? Thank you for any help. Joyce Robertson (from Scotland)

Hi Gillian Thanks so much for the list. The William with a son Moses looks very interesting as my John called his son Moses also. Kind Regards Celia

Hi Celia I have had a look at the possibility of other siblings linked to the birth's for John SMART born 1809 or 1810 in Bisley to see if their are any possible connections, that link with your John SMART, at first I looked at the 1809 one with the father Thomas and identified several children whose father was Thomas: William 1792, Elizabeth 1794, James 1795, Obadiah 1797, Joel 1799, Jane 1800, Maria 1803, Jane 1803, Mary Anne 1804, Daniel 1805, Elizabeth 1806, Lot 1807 and John 1809 though obviously these could belong to one or mother fathers named Thomas I selected several of the male children and found nothing linking your John SMART with this particular line and so turned my attention to the possible siblings with the fathers name of William, all of which are listed again as before under the same batch: Moses 1786 died 1787, John 1792, Robert 1794, Anne 1797, Maria 1799, Francis 1801, William 1805, Hannah 1804, Ann 1804, Charles 1808, James 1809, John 1810 and George 1812 all baptised Bisley. I selected two men William and Charles SMART and the following may well be of interest to you: WILLIAM SMART - Christening: 25 DEC 1805 Bisley, Gloucester CHARLES SMART - Christening: 27 MAR 1808 Bisley, Gloucester First William SMART: 1841 Census: Bisley, Gloucestershire Wm Smart abt 1806 Gloucestershire, Waterman Charlotte Smart abt 1811 Gloucestershire James Smart abt 1840 Gloucestershire Source: HO107; Piece 349; Folio: 4; Page: 2 William SMART's wife's maiden name is GARDINER: 1851 Census: Marlhill, Bisley, Gloucestershire (Ecclesiastical parish: Chalford) William Smart 1806 Bisley, Gloucestershire, Head, Waterman Charlott Smart 1809 Bisley, Gloucestershire, Wife James Smart 1840 Bisley, Gloucestershire, Son, Assistant to his father Fredrick Smart 1843 Bisley, Gloucestershire, Son Elizabeth Smart 1845 Bisley, Gloucestershire, Daughter Jesse Smart 1847 Bisley, Gloucestershire, Son Elizabeth Gardiner 1821 Bisley, Gloucestershire, Sister-in-Law, Works on a Farm Source: HO107; Piece: 1964; Folio: 375; Page: 10 1861 Census: Marl Hill, Bisley, Gloucestershire Charlotte Smart 1809 Bisley, Gloucestershire, Head, W, Cloth Weaver James Smart 1840 Bisley, Gloucestershire, Son, Waterman Elizabeth Smart 1845 Bisley, Gloucestershire, Daughter, Silk Worker Jesse Smart 1847 Bisley, Gloucestershire, Son, Silk Worker Source: RG9; Piece: 1773; Folio: 86; Page: 13 This appears to be the marriage for William SMART and Charlotte and fits with their children's birth registers too: WILLIAM SMART Spouse: CHARLOTT GARDNER (GARDINER) Marriage: 30 DEC 1838 Bisley, Gloucester Source Information: Batch Number: 8609430 Sheet: 88 Source Call No.: 1396182 Type: Film from Gloucester BMD: SMART William & GARDNER Charlotte at Stroud Bisley All Saints year: 1838 C4/1 47 SMART James SMART SMART GARDINER 1839 Stroud Stroud, Bisley 1 328 SMART Frederick SMART SMART GARDINER 1843 Stroud Stroud, Bisley 2 348 SMART Elizabeth SMART SMART GARDINER 1845 Stroud Stroud, Bisley 3 167 SMART Jesse SMART SMART GARDINER 1847 Stroud Stroud, Bisley 4 25 I suspect details of the above marriage would confirm who William' s father is and his possible occupation. ========= Now Charles SMART: 1841 Census: Bisley, Gloucestershire Charles Smart abt 1806 Gloucestershire, Waterman Maria Smart abt 1816 Gloucestershire Ann Smart abt 1833 Gloucestershire Elizabeth Smart abt 1832 Gloucestershire Herna (Henry) Smart abt 1837 Gloucestershire Rich Smart abt 1839 Gloucestershire Ellen Smart abt 1840 Gloucestershire Source: HO107; Piece 349; Folio: 4; Page: 2 Charles SMART's wife's maiden name is WYATT 1851 Census: Bisley, Gloucestershire (Ecclesiastical parish: Chalford) Charles Smart 1811 Chalford, Gloucestershire, Head, Waterman Maria Smart 1811 Chalford, Gloucestershire, Wife Elizabeth Smart 1835 Chalford, Gloucestershire, Daughter, Silk Worker Ellen Smart 1841 Chalford, Gloucestershire, Daughter, Silk Worker Mary Smart 1843 Chalford, Gloucestershire, Daughter, Scholar George Smart 1845 Chalford, Gloucestershire, Son, Scholar William Smart 1850 Chalford, Gloucestershire, Son Source: HO107; Piece: 1964; Folio: 425; Page: 4 1861 Census: Bisley, Gloucestershire Mariah Smart 1814 Oxford, Oxfordshire, Head, Wid Mary Smart 1843 Bisley, Gloucestershire, Daughter William Smart 1850 Bisley, Gloucestershire, Son Elizabeth Ewer 1851 Lechlade, Gloucestershire, Boarder Source: RG9; Piece: 1773; Folio: 113; Page: 12 ==== I am unsure whether this is the correct William SMART though he is old enough to have fathered all the above children, though it is his occupation that I feel does not fit with that of sons as Watermen, anyway this William SMART is a clothier in 1841 and in 1851 he is listed as being a Clothier employing a total of 107 persons: 1841 Census: Chalford, Bisley, Gloucestershire William Smart abt 1776 Gloucestershire, Clothier Marria Smart abt 1791 Gloucestershire Source: HO107; Piece 349; Folio: 42; Page: 15 1851 Census: Bisley, Gloucestershire William Smart 1768 Bisley, Gloucestershire, Head, Clothier employing 32 men, 64 W, 4 Boys, 7 Girls Total 107 Maria Smart 1788 Stroud, Gloucestershire, Wife Ann Townsend 1789 Bisley, Gloucestershire, Servant Source: HO107; Piece: 1964; Folio: 416; Page: 16 Hope you may find these of some use. Best regards Gillian -------------------------------------------------- From: "Celia Bailey" <celiabailey@sky.com> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 10:37 AM To: <GLOUCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: [GLS] Smart > Hi Carolyn > > Thankyou so much for looking for me. I agree about the Bisley ones and > will keep them on file. > > Regards > Celia > _____________________________________________ > > Gloucestershire Family History Society: > www.gfhs.org.uk > > Gloucestershire Archives: > www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=15434 > > Gloucestershire BMD Index 1837 to 2005: > http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Carolyn Thankyou so much for looking for me. I agree about the Bisley ones and will keep them on file. Regards Celia

On Tue, 09 Aug 2011 21:51:17 +0100, Celia Bailey <celiabailey@sky.com> wrote: > The earliest record I have is just an IGI member submitted record John > Smart born about 1811 in Saul spouse Mary Holder. Also another IGI > with Stroud as his birthplace. I have his marriage record to Mary > Holder 3rd Nov 1836 in Rodborough with no parents recorded. I have > found him in all the census until his death in 1874 age 64 at Tipton > Staffs. In 1851 it states he was born Wotton under Edge. In 1861 & > 1871 Stroud is his birthplace. He was a Boatman. I would be so > grateful for any help. Hi Celia, This is probably a long shot, but nothing ventured nothing gained. There are Gloucestershire baptisms for John SMART in the early 19th century on FamilySearch. https://www.familysearch.org/ These baptisms include one on 19th. February 1809 at Woodchester, father William, one on 21st. May 1809 at Bisley, father William and one on 13th. May 1810 at Bisley, father Thomas. Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com