There is lots of information on Hempted and a map showing the location of the parish (and neigbouring ones) at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/GLS/Hempsted/index.html If you click on the outline map it leads to parish maps for Gloucestershire. Karen

Does this throw any light as I note the bride was only 19.............. http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jnth/StJMarrs/marrs_note.htm extract Anglican Marriages in Buenos Aires, 1824-51 "A person's coming of age, that point in time when legally he or she was regarded as an independent adult, was during this period fixed at their 21st birthday. Therefore it was not possible to be married under the age of 21, unless the person's parents or legal guardian had given their permission. This is reflected in those records contained in the marriage register in which the phrase "the consent of the Father [Mother, Guardian] of the other" is used. I suggest that, almost without exception, it was the woman who was under the legal age for marriage. In almost all these cases, the father or mother of the bride also among those who signed the register as a witness to the marriage. In two marriages (Nos. 159 and 161) the phrase "the consent of friends of the latter" indicates that the bride's parents' permission was unobtainable (for whatever reason), and her friends stood as surety for her." Martin Doyle -----Original Message----- From: gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ursula Sent: 20 January 2007 11:05 To: gloucester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GLS] Friends I have a marriage that took place on the 26 December 1831 in Caerwent Monmouth and the words "" is shown. The couple were married after banns by a Rev William Jones. The bride was only 19. Ursula Brisbane Qld ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek S M Cusick" <derek1@iinet.net.au> To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [GLS] Friends > Hi Peter , > possibly refering to their Religion " Friends Meeting Houses", Quakers. > I may be miles off , but that was my first thought. > Derek in Western Australia. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Hughes" <pete@dursley12.fsnet.co.uk> > To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 3:57 AM > Subject: [GLS] Friends > > >>I have a marriage in 1821 which was solemnized "With consent of friends". >> >> What should I infer from this? >> >> Peter >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Browse the list archives at: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ >> >> Keyword search - any or all lists: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ Browse the list archives at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ Keyword search - any or all lists: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Everyone Could anyone advise a good web site for looking up old maps of Gloucester, Gloucestershire. Cheers Joan

Joan The location of South Hamlet is shown on: http://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/bound_map_page.jsp?first=true&u_id=10375988&c_id=10001043 High Orchard Row is probably an early name for High Orchard St to the south of Gloucester Docks and shown in the bottom left hand corner of this modern map of Gloucester http://www.exploregloucestershire.co.uk/page340.asp If you like to send me what you know about your ancestor who was living there, I will investigate further. Hugh in Gloucester For Gloucester Docks and the Sharpness Canal, past present and future, see www.gloucesterdocks.me.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Canning" <ja.perl@bigpond.net.au> To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [GLS] Maps > Charani thank you for your reply and advice. Have tried both suggestions, > but have been unable to find the location I am seeking. > > Am endeavouring to find the location of an address I have from a 1841 Census > in the hope I may be able to find the nearest Church with the further hope > of locating parish records. The address: High Orchard Row, Hempstead, > South Hamlet. Registration District: Gloucester Union; Civil Parish: > Hempstead; Sub-District: South Hamlet. No Ecclesiastical Parish recorded. > > Any ideas or advice would be greatly appreciated. > > Joan in Oz. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charani" <familyhunter@family-hunter.co.uk> > To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 7:33 PM > Subject: Re: [GLS] Maps > > >> Joan Canning wrote: >> >>> Could anyone advise a good web site for looking up old maps of >>> Gloucester, Gloucestershire. >> >> www.old-maps.co.uk >> >> Googling "old maps + Gloucester" *with* the quotation marks will >> probably bring up other sites. >> >> -- >> Charani (UK) >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Browse the list archives at: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ >> >> Keyword search - any or all lists: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > _____________________________________________ > > Browse the list archives at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > This email has been verified as Virus free > Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.1/640 - Release Date: 19/01/2007 16:46 >

Hi Peter , possibly refering to their Religion " Friends Meeting Houses", Quakers. I may be miles off , but that was my first thought. Derek in Western Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Hughes" <pete@dursley12.fsnet.co.uk> To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 3:57 AM Subject: [GLS] Friends >I have a marriage in 1821 which was solemnized "With consent of friends". > > What should I infer from this? > > Peter > > _____________________________________________ > > Browse the list archives at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Joan Canning wrote: > Charani thank you for your reply and advice. Have tried both suggestions, > but have been unable to find the location I am seeking. > > Am endeavouring to find the location of an address I have from a 1841 Census > in the hope I may be able to find the nearest Church with the further hope > of locating parish records. The address: High Orchard Row, Hempstead, > South Hamlet. Registration District: Gloucester Union; Civil Parish: > Hempstead; Sub-District: South Hamlet. No Ecclesiastical Parish recorded. The parish registers are unlikely to be at the church now. Far more likely they'll be in Gloucester Record Office. http://www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=1348 You should be able to find out if they have the registers you want and there's an email address as well. Obviously being in Australia you won't be able to visit but the record office probably has a list of people willing to do some research for you. -- Charani (UK)

High Orchard is that part of Hempsted lane near the remains of Llantony Priory East of London FHS member All e'mail scanned by McAfee virusscan

Hello Peter, In 1821 the only place for marriages of Dissenters to take place was in the Parish Church so that rules out Baptists, Methodists and other non-conformists apart from Quakers. Both Quakers and Jews were allowed to conduct marriages. One member of my family, not a Quaker, married a girl who was a Quaker and she was required to repent of having been married in a Parish Church. I also have a record of a young couple having to go to the senior members of their Quaker Meeting with written notes of permission from their parents. If ther were no living parents or the parents were not Quakers I dare say that the Friends might then agree to consent to the marriage. However, the marriages would be recorded in the books kept by the Meeting House and possibly in the records of Dr William's Library. If the reference to 'friends' came from a parish register then it would mean exactly what it states. Cheers, Janet Heskins

Joan, It is always helpful to give the name of the person you are looking for. We can then look in Parish Register indexes. Hugh

Thank you Carolyn for this information. When I looked at the Parish Register several years ago, I had missed the death of Reuben. Mary Ann Blandford - baptism from the Parish Register of Brimpsfield, Family History Library film 0991292, Baptized 19 April 1818 - Mary Ann daughter of Patience Blandford abode - Brimpsfield, mother spinster, Rector J. Phelps. Carlotte Eyles [Iles] d/o Richard & Patience Eyles [Iles] Bap 3 Dec 1826 Brimpsfield - She married Joseph Snow son of John Snow 12 June 1851 at Brimpsfield I have a question in my notes about Elizabeth Iles bapt 25 Jul 1841 @ Brimpsfield marrying George Snow s/o James Snow on 15 Apr 1865 @ Brimpsfield Thank you for the information on Harriet Blandford/Iles marriage. Janet Iles On Behalf Of Harmon Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 9:09 PM I have the following additions for data on the Richard Iles and Patience Blandford family. Unless otherwise indicated, the source is Parish Register of Brimpsfield, Family History Library film 0991292, item 1 2 Reuben Blandford chr 4 Nov 1821, buried 13 Jun 1822, Brimpsfield, Gloucester, England, age 7 months. 2 Harriet Blandford b. 1821 d. unknown Note when she was married her surname was Iles. Married 17 Nov 1864, Brimpsfield. Job Burbidge, widow, of Cowley, father Bradford Burbidge and Harriet Iles, spinster of Brimpsfield, father Richard Iles. CENSUS: 1871 Cowley, Gloucester census. Ancestry.com The census taker did not record counties. Job Burbidge Head Age 69 born Long Handborough (Oxford). Stone Mason Harriet Burbidge Wife Age 56 born Brimpsfield (Gloucester) 2 Richard Iles b. abt 1829 d. aft 1901 m. 28 Mar 1852 Eliza Hook Richard buried 13 Apr 1909, Brimpsfield. 2 Elizabeth Iles b. abt 1841 d. unknown married George Snow, 15 Sep 1865, Brimpsfield. George Snow chr. 17 Oct 1841, Brimpsfield. This means that 2 Iles daughters married men with the surname of Snow. There is a John Iles who was christened in 1790, a son of John and Jane Iles, who married Hannah Blackwell. Is she related to Mary Blackwell who married George Iles? When Richard Iles and Patience Blandford were married, the witnesses were William Blandford and John Edgington. John Edgington was the Parish clerk, and witnessed many marriages. There is an IGI entry that has William Blandford and Mary as her parents, but no christening date is with that entry. Where was Mary Ann born/ christened? I do not have any information about her. Thank you, Carolyn Harmon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Iles" <jiles@bmts.com> To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 1:11 PM > I have been watching this thread on the Blandfords. I have not taken the > research earlier than Richard Iles and Patience Blandford. I am a descendant > of their child, James Iles > > I have only found 17 children. Who was the 18th? > > Janet Iles > Ontario, Canada > > Descendants of: Patience Blandford > > 1 Patience Blandford m. unknown > m. 21 Oct 1822 Richard Iles d. unknown > 2 Mary Ann Blandford b. abt 1818 d. unknown > 2 Reuben Blandford b. 1821 d. unknown [twins] > 2 Harriet Blandford b. 1821 d. unknown > 2 James Iles b. abt 1823 d. 19 Jun 1907 m. 10 Jul 1845 Louisa Belcher b. > abt 1826 d. 1 Mar 1903 [They had 11 children.] > 2 Isaac Iles b. abt 1824 d. unknown > 2 Edwin Iles b. abt 1825 d. unknown m. _______ ___________ > 2 Charlotte Iles b. abt 1826 d. unknown m. 12 Jun 1851 Joseph Snow b. abt > 1830 > 2 George Iles b. abt 1828 d. bef 1881? m. 1 Nov 1853 Mary Blackwell d. > bef 1881 > 2 Richard Iles b. abt 1829 d. aft 1901 m. 28 Mar 1852 Eliza Hook > 2 Hester Iles b. abt 1831 d. unknown > 2 Jeremiah Iles b. abt 1832 d. unknown m. 12 Nov 1854 Mary Ann Taylor d. > unknown > 2 Jane Iles b. abt 1833 d. unknown > 2 Eliza Iles b. abt 1835 d. abt. 24 Feb 1835? > 2 Eliza Iles b. abt 1836 d. 23 Jun 1841 > 2 Martha Iles b. abt 1837 d. unknown > 2 Catherine Iles b. abt 1839 d. unknown m. 1 Sep 1867 Henry Travel > 2 Elizabeth Iles b. abt 1841 d. unknown

Hi I have just joined the group and would like to add my pennyworth. My husband is descended from Patience's brother Jabez. I have a christening date of 17th July 1795 at Brimpsfield for Patience. Unfortunately, I didn't make a note of where that date came from so I cannot authenticate it. Marriage 21st October 1822 and death 16th November 1879 aged 84 which is right for a birth of 1795. Free BMD has her death registered at Cirencester. Deaths Dec 1879 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Iles Patience 84 Cirencester 6a 247 Regarding Mary Ann Blandford (Patience's daughter before she married Richard Iles) I have her christening as 19th April 1818 and her death as 24th April 1851. As with the above, I didn't make a note of where the information came from, so I cannot authenticate it. With regard to Jeremiah I have the 1851 census Which shows him age 17 and a servant to the Maltster and Baker in Brimpsfield I have the 1851 census details for Patience and Richard if you would like them. In respect of the 1871 census for Harriett Isles. Her age of 56 would put her birth year as 1815. I have searched for Harriett Burbidge's death from 1871 to 1900 and freeBMD has just the one so it must be her. That puts her as being born 1819 but in those days ages are often a few years either side. Deaths Mar 1879 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Burbidge Harriett 60 Cheltenham 6a 320 I must add that it is most unusual for me not to make a note of where my information came from. It must have come to me when I first started researching, when I didn't realise the importance of keeping very strict notes. However, I think that the names may have come from my husband's cousin, as I have a copy of an e.mail from him saying Patience had 18 children (three before her marriage). He did not list them all, but of the few he did we have Harriett Blandford born 1821 and Harriett Iles born 1824. Looking at Harriett's death age 60 it is obvious that the one he gave me christened 1824 is incorrect and I have deleted it from my data bank. Regards Eveline On Saturday, January 20, 2007 2:08 AM Carolyn Harmon wrote Subject: Re: [GLS] BLANDFORDS in Brimpsfield > I have the following additions for data on the Richard Iles and Patience > Blandford family. > > Unless otherwise indicated, the source is Parish Register of Brimpsfield, > Family History Library film 0991292, item 1 > > 2 Reuben Blandford chr 4 Nov 1821, buried 13 Jun 1822, Brimpsfield, > Gloucester, England, age 7 months. > > 2 Harriet Blandford b. 1821 d. unknown > Note when she was married her surname was Iles. > Married 17 Nov 1864, Brimpsfield. > Job Burbidge, widow, of Cowley, father Bradford Burbidge and Harriet Iles, > spinster of Brimpsfield, father Richard Iles. > CENSUS: 1871 Cowley, Gloucester census. Ancestry.com The census taker did > not record counties. > Job Burbidge Head Age 69 born Long Handborough (Oxford). Stone Mason > Harriet Burbidge Wife Age 56 born Brimpsfield (Gloucester) > > 2 Richard Iles b. abt 1829 d. aft 1901 m. 28 Mar 1852 Eliza Hook > Richard buried 13 Apr 1909, Brimpsfield. > > 2 Elizabeth Iles b. abt 1841 d. unknown > married George Snow, 15 Sep 1865, Brimpsfield. > George Snow chr. 17 Oct 1841, Brimpsfield. > > This means that 2 Iles daughters married men with the surname of Snow. > > There is a John Iles who was christened in 1790, a son of John and Jane > Iles, who married Hannah Blackwell. > Is she related to Mary Blackwell who married George Iles? > > When Richard Iles and Patience Blandford were married, the witnesses were > William Blandford and John Edgington. John Edgington was the Parish clerk, > and witnessed many marriages. There is an IGI entry that has William > Blandford and Mary as her parents, but no christening date is with that > entry. > > Where was Mary Ann born/ christened? I do not have any information about > her. > > Thank you, > Carolyn Harmon > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janet Iles" <jiles@bmts.com> > To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 1:11 PM > Subject: Re: [GLS] BLANDFORDS in Brimpsfield > > > > Hello > > I have been watching this thread on the Blandfords. I have not taken the > > research earlier than Richard Iles and Patience Blandford. I am a > descendant > > of their child, James Iles > > > > I have only found 17 children. Who was the 18th? > > > > Janet Iles > > Ontario, Canada > > > > Descendants of: Patience Blandford > > > > 1 Patience Blandford m. unknown > > m. 21 Oct 1822 Richard Iles d. unknown > > 2 Mary Ann Blandford b. abt 1818 d. unknown > > 2 Reuben Blandford b. 1821 d. unknown [twins] > > 2 Harriet Blandford b. 1821 d. unknown > > 2 James Iles b. abt 1823 d. 19 Jun 1907 m. 10 Jul 1845 Louisa Belcher > b. > > abt 1826 d. 1 Mar 1903 [They had 11 children.] > > 2 Isaac Iles b. abt 1824 d. unknown > > 2 Edwin Iles b. abt 1825 d. unknown m. _______ ___________ > > 2 Charlotte Iles b. abt 1826 d. unknown m. 12 Jun 1851 Joseph Snow b. > abt > > 1830 > > 2 George Iles b. abt 1828 d. bef 1881? m. 1 Nov 1853 Mary Blackwell d. > > bef 1881 > > 2 Richard Iles b. abt 1829 d. aft 1901 m. 28 Mar 1852 Eliza Hook > > 2 Hester Iles b. abt 1831 d. unknown > > 2 Jeremiah Iles b. abt 1832 d. unknown m. 12 Nov 1854 Mary Ann Taylor > d. > > unknown > > 2 Jane Iles b. abt 1833 d. unknown > > 2 Eliza Iles b. abt 1835 d. abt. 24 Feb 1835? > > 2 Eliza Iles b. abt 1836 d. 23 Jun 1841 > > 2 Martha Iles b. abt 1837 d. unknown > > 2 Catherine Iles b. abt 1839 d. unknown m. 1 Sep 1867 Henry Travel > > 2 Elizabeth Iles b. abt 1841 d. unknown > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kirk & Emma > > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 2:50 PM > > To: Harmon > > Cc: Glost rootsweb > > Subject: Re: [GLS] BLANDFORDS in Brimpsfield > > > > Hello again > > > > Out of curiosity is it Patience and Richard Iles who had 18 children (3 > out > > of wedlock)? If so I don't suppose you know what BLANDFORD family she > > belonged to do you? I know of someone who is related to William BLANDFORD > > and she was trying to work out if she was his child or not. > > > > Emma > > Monmouth > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Harmon" <lharmon@sisna.com> > > To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com>; <ty.copyn@virgin.net> > > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 12:19 AM > > Subject: Re: [GLS] BLANDFORDS in Brimpsfield > > > > > > > Dear Emma, > > > > > > It think that the two entries are for the same couple. When a marriage > > > has > > > not been found, a standard approximation date for a marriage is one year > > > before the birth of the first child. > > > > > > Whoever submitted the approximate marriage date of 1783 was basing it > on > > > the christening of Thomas Blandford in Miserden in 1784. The > approximate > > > marriage date of 1786 was based on the christening of Hannah in > > > Brimpsfield > > > in 1787. > > > > > > The family seems to have moved from Miserden to Brimpsfield, to Cranham > > > and > > > back to Brimpsfield. > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > > > Browse the list archives at: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > Browse the list archives at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Eveline for your information on the Iles/Blandford family. I will order the Brimpsfield Parish records again and explore the earlier information. For some reason I have not ordered the death records for Richard and Patience but I will put them on my list to do so. I believe I have the 1851 census for Patience and Richard. I am behind in my organization of Iles records. Who do you have as the parents of Patience and Jabez? Thank you for your help, Janet Iles -----Original Message-----] On Behalf Of Eveline Clarke Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 5:32 AM Subject: Re: [GLS] BLANDFORDS in Brimpsfield Hi My husband is descended from Patience's brother Jabez. I have a christening date of 17th July 1795 at Brimpsfield for Patience. Unfortunately, I didn't make a note of where that date came from so I cannot authenticate it. Marriage 21st October 1822 and death 16th November 1879 aged 84 which is right for a birth of 1795. Free BMD has her death registered at Cirencester. Deaths Dec 1879 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Iles Patience 84 Cirencester 6a 247 Regarding Mary Ann Blandford (Patience's daughter before she married Richard Iles) I have her christening as 19th April 1818 and her death as 24th April 1851. As with the above, I didn't make a note of where the information came from, so I cannot authenticate it. With regard to Jeremiah I have the 1851 census Which shows him age 17 and a servant to the Maltster and Baker in Brimpsfield I have the 1851 census details for Patience and Richard if you would like them. In respect of the 1871 census for Harriett Isles. Her age of 56 would put her birth year as 1815. I have searched for Harriett Burbidge's death from 1871 to 1900 and freeBMD has just the one so it must be her. That puts her as being born 1819 but in those days ages are often a few years either side. Deaths Mar 1879 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Burbidge Harriett 60 Cheltenham 6a 320 I must add that it is most unusual for me not to make a note of where my information came from. It must have come to me when I first started researching, when I didn't realise the importance of keeping very strict notes. However, I think that the names may have come from my husband's cousin, as I have a copy of an e.mail from him saying Patience had 18 children (three before her marriage). He did not list them all, but of the few he did we have Harriett Blandford born 1821 and Harriett Iles born 1824. Looking at Harriett's death age 60 it is obvious that the one he gave me christened 1824 is incorrect and I have deleted it from my data bank. Regards Eveline

In a message dated 1/20/2007 2:58:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, ja.perl@bigpond.net.au writes: Could anyone advise a good web site for looking up old maps of Gloucester, Gloucestershire ========== Hi, Joan. This site is good: _http://www.old-maps.co.uk/_ (http://www.old-maps.co.uk/) I find it most useful when used in conjunction with multimap.com. Find the place you want on a modern map in multimap by placename search, then read its coordinates off multimap and plug them into old-maps and search on them. It will take you to that place in the old maps. Regards, Cecil

Michael Tovey wrote: > An interesting one. > Any idea of the location of the ceremony? > Was it, for example, a Primitive Methodist Chapel? Derek S M Cusick wrote: > possibly refering to their Religion " Friends Meeting Houses", Quakers. > I may be miles off , but that was my first thought. I've seen consent given by the mother where the father is dead or the child was illegitimate. I've seen consent given by friends acouple of times as well. These have all been in the normal parish registers, not Quaker or non conformist registers. -- Charani (UK)

Peter Hughes wrote: > I have a marriage in 1821 which was solemnized "With consent of friends". > > What should I infer from this? Either the bride and/or groom were under age. Probably the parent/s of whichever one it was (or both) were dead or otherwise not in a position to give consent, so friends over the age of 21 gave consent in their place. Was either the under age spouse away from his/her home parish? If so, that could be the possible reason for "consent of friends". -- Charani (UK)

Joan Canning wrote: > Could anyone advise a good web site for looking up old maps of Gloucester, Gloucestershire. www.old-maps.co.uk Googling "old maps + Gloucester" *with* the quotation marks will probably bring up other sites. -- Charani (UK)

Peter, An interesting one. Any idea of the location of the ceremony? Was it, for example, a Primitive Methodist Chapel? Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Hughes" <pete@dursley12.fsnet.co.uk> To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 6:57 PM Subject: [GLS] Friends >I have a marriage in 1821 which was solemnized "With consent of friends". > > What should I infer from this? > > Peter > > _____________________________________________ > > Browse the list archives at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Peter, I would think that either the bride or groom or both were under age to get married without the consent of adults, and in the absence of parents, adult friends would qualify to give their consent to the marriage. Hope this helps Ann I have a marriage in 1821 which was solemnized "With consent of friends". What should I infer from this? Peter

Hi Karen Thank you very much for your reply. It confirms an e.mail from Anne and this definitely looks like my family. I like the idea of my husbands 4x Great Grandfather selling tripe. Eveline On Friday, January 19, 2007 5:11 PM Karen Wintle wrote Subject: Re: [GLS] JOHN HUNT > He's a Teacher of music and ??? clerk living in the college cloisters in > Gloucester in 1861 (married to Penelope) > Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 1765; Folio: 82; Page: 45; GSU roll: > 542864. > > In !851 he's living with his Grandfather and mother (?) in the same area of > Gloucester. I'm not sure of the occupation (Head, daughter and grandson all > the same) - looks like tripe seller. > > Name: John Hunt > Age: 19 > Estimated birth year: abt 1832 > Relation: Grandson > Gender: Male > Where born: Gloucestershire, England > > Civil parish: Gloucester St Mary DE Crypt > Ecclesiastical parish: Gloucester and Bristol > County/Island: Gloucestershire > Country: England > Registration district: Gloucester > Sub-registration district: St John the Baptist > ED, institution, or vessel: 1 > Neighbors: View others on page > Household schedule number: 103 > Household Members: Name Age > Elizabeth Hunt 41 > George Hunt 17 > Harriet Hunt 12 > John Hunt 19 > Thomas Hunt 14 > Thomas Roberts 63 > > As you say, not proof but looks very likely. The other John Hunts born in > Gloucetershire around 1832 are (according to Ancestry):- > > 1851 > > View Record John Hunt George,Dinah abt 1834 Ebrington, Gloucestershire, > England Son Tilehurst Berkshire > View Record John Hunt William,Mary abt 1834 Beckford, Gloucestershire, > England Son Beckford Gloucestershire > View Record John Hunt William,Sarah abt 1833 Brimpsfield, Gloucestershire, > England Son Brimpsfield Gloucestershire > View Record John Hunt abt 1832 Gloucestershire, England Grandson > Gloucester St Mary DE Crypt Gloucestershire > View Record John Hunt Charles,Elizabeth abt 1830 Badgworth, > Gloucestershire, England Son Leckhampton Gloucestershire > View Record John Hunt Thomas,Eunice abt 1833 Rodmarton, Gloucestershire, > England Son Rodmarton Gloucestershire > View Record John Hunt abt 1833 Withington, Gloucestershire, England Lodger > Withington Gloucestershire > > 1861 > > View Record John Hunt Emma abt 1834 Ebrington, Gloucestershire, England > Head Tilehurst Berkshire > View Record John Hunt Mary abt 1831 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England > Head Cheltenham Gloucestershire > View Record John Hunt abt 1833 Stroud, Gloucestershire, England Lodger > East Dean Gloucestershire > View Record John Hunt Pennlope abt 1832 Gloucestershire, England Head > Gloucester St Mary DE Lode Gloucestershire > View Record John Hunt Jane abt 1831 Gloucestershire, England Lodger St > Nicholas Herefordshire > View Record John Hunt Mary Ann abt 1832 Canlkerton, Gloucestershire, > England Head Brize Norton Oxfordshire > View Record John H Hunt Rosa M abt 1832 St George, Gloucestershire, England > Head Bristol St George Gloucestershire > > > It looks as if the only other contender is the one married to Jane(age 22). > He's a general labourer. > > Karen > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eveline Clarke" <aclarke22@toucansurf.com> > To: <GLOUCESTER@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 1:49 PM > Subject: [GLS] JOHN HUNT > > > > Hi > > > > I am wondering if anyone is researching John HUNT who according to the > > 1881 census was born c 1832 in Gloucester and at the time of the census > > was living at 2 Palace Yard. John married Penelope ELLDRIDGE. > > > > His Occupation was given as Sub Sacrist Gloucester Cathedral & Teacher of > > Singing (Ch Off). > > > > I believe that this John Hunt was the brother of Hannah Hunt who married a > > William Blandford in Gloucester in 1855. I have not proven this, but the > > names and dates all fit. > > > > If anyone is researching this family, I would love to hear from them - > > even if it is only to rule John out. > > > > Regards > > > > Eveline > > > > _____________________________________________ > > Browse the list archives at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you Anne - reading what you found this is definitely my John Hunt and his sister Hannah on the 1851 census and as it is the same family, they must have the incorrect name on the 1861. Hannah was born c 1838 and now I have found her mother and grandfather, I might be able to find her father as well. You have just broken down a long standing brick wall for me. Thank you once again. Eveline On Friday, January 19, 2007 5:58 PM Anne Peat wrote Subject: Re: [GLS] JOHN HUNT > Eveline, > This is that John Hunt in 1851 with siblings - no Hannah and his > grandfather Thomas Roberts His mother is married, not widowed. > > 1851 England Census > about John Hunt > Name: John Hunt > Age: 19 > Estimated birth year: abt 1832 > Relation: Grandson > Gender: Male > Where born: Gloucestershire, England > > Civil parish: Gloucester St Mary DE Crypt > Ecclesiastical parish: Gloucester and Bristol > County/Island: Gloucestershire > Country: England > > Registration district: Gloucester > Sub-registration district: St John the Baptist > ED, institution, or vessel: 1 > > Household schedule number: 103 > Household Members: > Name Age > Elizabeth Hunt 41 > George Hunt 17 > Harriet Hunt 12 ( it definitely says Harriet on the census page > John Hunt 19 > Thomas Hunt 14 > Thomas Roberts 63 > Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1962; Folio: 22; Page: 36 > > This appears to be him in 1841 - with a Hannah who could be the Harriet > of 1851! > 1841 England Census > about John Hunt > Name: John Hunt > Age: 10 > Estimated birth year: abt 1831 > Gender: Male > Where born: Gloucestershire, England > > Household > Name Estimated birth year Birthplace Civil parish > County/Island > Elizabeth Hunt abt 1811 Gloucestershire, England St Mary DE Crypt > Gloucestershire > George Hunt abt 1833 Gloucestershire, England St Mary DE Crypt > Gloucestershire > Hannah Hunt abt 1838 Gloucestershire, England St Mary DE Crypt > Gloucestershire > John Hunt abt 1831 Gloucestershire, England St Mary DE Crypt > Gloucestershire > Thomas Hunt abt 1835 Gloucestershire, England St Mary DE Crypt > Gloucestershire > Edwin Roberts abt 1821 Gloucestershire, England St Mary DE Crypt > Gloucestershire > Thomas Roberts abt 1778 St Mary DE Crypt Gloucestershire > > Civil parish: St Mary DE Crypt > Hundred: Gloucester City > County/Island: Gloucestershire > Country: England > > Street address: Songsmith Street ( still there in 1861) > > Occupation: Lab. ( Thomas and Edwin Roberts) > Source information: HO107/379/5 > Registration district: Gloucester > Sub-registration district: St John the Baptist > ED, institution, or vessel: 8 > Folio: 15 > Page: 25 ( > Line number: 1 > he is with Penelope in Palace Yard in 1861 as teacher of music and Lay > Clerk ( that means he sang in the choir) > > HTH > Anne > On 19 Jan 2007, at 13:49, Eveline Clarke wrote: > > > Hi > > > > I am wondering if anyone is researching John HUNT who according to the > > 1881 census was born c 1832 in Gloucester and at the time of the > > census was living at 2 Palace Yard. John married Penelope ELLDRIDGE. > > > > His Occupation was given as Sub Sacrist Gloucester Cathedral & Teacher > > of Singing (Ch Off). > > > > I believe that this John Hunt was the brother of Hannah Hunt who > > married a William Blandford in Gloucester in 1855. I have not proven > > this, but the names and dates all fit. > > > > If anyone is researching this family, I would love to hear from them - > > even if it is only to rule John out. > > > > Regards > > > > Eveline > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > > > Browse the list archives at: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > _____________________________________________ > > Browse the list archives at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >