Good morning Listers, I wonder if there's anyone who has the burial records for St Mary de Crypt, Gloucester and could check a burial for me please? A while ago I was told that my 3xgreat grandmother had a young child buried there in 1842 (I thought), but I can't find a death reference for him 1842-45, or a burial in the NBI. His name was David William ROWLEY, and he was born in 1839. He's in the 1841 census, but I wonder if I wrote down the wrong death year. Thanks, Regards, Ellie

Laura I have had a good look on Ancestry.co.uk checking the immigration to US, US census and everything else trying variations of both first and second name. Sorry, I couldn't find anything maybe someone else will have more luck. Maybe you will need to find out more about the army, what if he died whilst in millitary service? Sorry I was unable to help Rose Cowan Sydney, Australia On 2/5/07, laura lizard <laura.vizard@ntlworld.com> wrote: > > Hello All, > > I am wondering if SKS could please check the US records to see if there is > any mention of a Josiah VIZARD (also VIZZARD and VISARD). He was the son of > Ann VIZARD born 1836 Alveston, Glouc'. He is with Ann in the 1841 and 1851 > census, then he's in the army in 1861 at Farnborough as a soldier. I can > find no mention of him in any later census, no marriage and no deaths in the > indexes. > > Regards and thanks, > Laura Vizard. > _____________________________________________ > > Browse the list archives at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

It's a bit of a long shot but a seach for Jos* born alveston around 1836 came up with a Joseph Virgo living in London in 1881. He (and his wife) are on the 1871 census but there's no sign of him in 1861 or 1851. Could it be your Josiah with a name change? Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 49; Folio: 135; Page: 45; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341011. Cheers Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "laura lizard" <laura.vizard@ntlworld.com> To: <GLOUCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 11:35 AM Subject: [GLS] Josiah VIZARD b 1836 Alveston > Hello All, > > I am wondering if SKS could please check the US records to see if there is > any mention of a Josiah VIZARD (also VIZZARD and VISARD). He was the son > of Ann VIZARD born 1836 Alveston, Glouc'. He is with Ann in the 1841 and > 1851 census, then he's in the army in 1861 at Farnborough as a soldier. I > can find no mention of him in any later census, no marriage and no deaths > in the indexes. > > Regards and thanks, > Laura Vizard. > _____________________________________________ > > Browse the list archives at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.25/669 - Release Date: > 04/02/2007 > >

Ellie, >From the Gloucestershire Family History Society - Gloucestershire Burial Index CD See: _www.gfhs.org.uk_ (http://www.gfhs.org.uk) Date: 1 DEC 1842 First Name: DAVID WM Surname: ROWLEY? Age: INF Burial Register: GLOUCESTER ST MARY DE CRYPT 1834-1844 Place: ST MARY DE CRYPT Hugh

Hi Jeff, Benjamin Owen was from Filton but his was wife was from Westerleigh. Traditionally marriages took place in the brides hometown church. Gloria ----- Original Message ----- From: <jeffgould@bulldoghome.com> To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [GLS] OWEN marriage at Westerleigh > Gloria, I have connections with some OWENS in that area, though mine were > probably a bit later in arriving there. They came from a long-established > family in North Nibley, which is not far away. My Owens were in Yate, Iron > Acton and Westerleigh in the 1840s & 50s. Jeff > > > > > > On Mon, 5 February, 2007 1:32 am, gloria wrote: >> Hi, >> >> >> I am looking for the marriage at Westerleigh of Benjamin OWEN to a Mary >> or Mary Ann somewhere between perhaps about 1810 to Mar 1817 when their >> first recorded child was born. I would be very interested to find Mary's >> maiden name. Perhaps someone may have access to the parish registers. >> >> Gloria >> in Australia

Dear Elna., Frampton Cotterell & Almondsbury were the 2 Villages that centre around my Maternal family from about 1790 + in consequence I have taken out all Films that list any information pertaining to these families in the Parish REcords. Film No. 1597078 show the following Baptism that may be of interest to you: 10.8.1755 Frances dau Jonathan & Frances HOUSE 4.10.1772 Thomas son Thomas and Susanna HOUSE 5.9.1774 Ann dau " " 6.10.1776 Susanna day " " 29.12.1782 Thomas son " " 7.5.1786 Mary dau " " 23.3.1788 James son " " 26.9.1790 Frances dau " " 5.8.1792 Hester dau " " 19.5.1799 Daniel son Thomas BURCOMBE & Ann 1.3.1801 Mary dau ditto 19.11.1803 Thomas son ditto 22.11.1805 Ann dau ditto nee HOUSE 12.2.1808 Susanna dau ditto 12.10.1809 Jane dau ditto 2.7.1815 Frances dau ditto Farmer 18.1.1801 Abraham son Isaac & Elizabeth HUGGINS nee STAGG 5.1.1803 John son ditto 10.5.1804 Isaac son ditto 25.4.1806 John Stagg son Thomas and Sarah HOUSE nee STAGG NOTE; I have entry burial twins 7.5.1806 John Stagg and James HOUSE but no bap entry for James. 10.7.1808 Hester dau ditto 292.10.1811 Susannah dau ditto 24.3.1814 Elizabeth dau ditto 8.9.1816 Jonathan ditto 6.12.1818 Sarah Ann ditto 17.9.1822 Thomas son ditto 18.5.1827 Frances dau ditto Occ Hatter 1.12.1833 Susannah dau of John and Elizabeth HOUSE occ Labourer 27.3.1836 Hester dau John & Eliza HOUSE 4.8.1839 John Stagg son " " " 22.10.1843 Fanny dau Thomas and Elizabeth HOUSE 11.4.1847 Elizabeth dau Thomas " " occ Labourer Film 1596036 Marriages: 21.1.1759 Jonathan HOUSE mar Anne TYSON Banns 28.6.1798 Thomas BURCOMBE mar Ann HOUSE by licence wit: W.H., Wm., Henrietta HOUSE 4.8.1800 Isaac HUGGINS mar Elizabeth STAGG Banns 21.3.1801 George WOLLEN mar Henrietta HOUSE 13.2.1806 Thomas HOUSE mar Sarah STAGG wit Isaac HUGGINS Did'nt realise there would be so many and I will not verify accuracy - watching a TV programme at the same time and also transcription could not intentionally be faulty and there could well be entries I have not taken down. Suggest if possible you get the films yourself. Meshach and Sarah THOMAS nee OSBORNE and 9 children left Bristol on the 25th January on the Eliza Frances arriving in Adelaide on 25th July 1850 but Meshach died on the voyage. They sailed from Bristol on 25th January - I never complain about 24 hours in an airplane. Phone me 9597 0297 Patricia G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elna & John Chapman" <ejchapman@optusnet.com.au> To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [GLS] re House and Stagg family frampton cotterell > Dear Patricia Thank you so much for yoyr reply to my query. Is'nt it > amazing I also live in Melbourne, Elizabeth the daughter of Thomas and > Sarah > Stagg is my GggGrandmother who came to Tasmania in 1841. It was > interesting that you gave me Susanna;s maiden name as How as I have not > been able to find that out. Do you have any record with it on. What would > be on the LDS Frampton Cotterell data be as I do not want to worry you if > I > have it. Very interested any info on Thomas and Susanna. perhaps easy for > us > to talk on the phone if that suits you 93909278., How did your rels come > to > Australia Elna chapman > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patricia" <klausdach@optusnet.com.au> > To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 11:53 PM > Subject: Re: [GLS] re House and Stagg family frampton cotterell > > >>I have some information though they are very remotely on my tree. >> Ann HOUSE bap 25.9.1774 mar 28.6.1798 at Frampton Cotterell Thomas >> BURCOMBE >> she was the eldest dau of Thomas and Susanna HOUSE nee HOW. Her elder >> brother Thomas 4.10.1772 mar 13.2.1806 Sarah STAGG. >> DAniel BURCOMBE son of Thomas married Mary Ann THOMAS the sister of my >> ggrandfather Meshach THOMAS - I have some other data taken from the LDS >> Film on Frampton Cotterell. Patricia G. in Melbourne. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Elna & John Chapman" <ejchapman@optusnet.com.au> >> To: <GLOUCESTER@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 5:15 PM >> Subject: [GLS] re House and Stagg family frampton cotterell >> >> >>> Would any one on the list have a connect to the House or Stagg Family in >>> Frampton Cotterell.1700 to 1860's. Thanks El chapman australia >>> _____________________________________________ >>> >>> Browse the list archives at: >>> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ >>> >>> Keyword search - any or all lists: >>> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Browse the list archives at: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ >> >> Keyword search - any or all lists: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ > > Browse the list archives at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Margaret Thank you for having a look, I also came up with this Robert and Cromall is Cromhall as far as I know unless anyone in GLS can tell me differently. My problem with trying to sort out the dau/gdau issue is that there are baptisms for Robert & Hannah's other children but no Robert. I know this is not conclusive as he could have been baptised somewhere else or I guess not at all. There is a baptism in Cromhall for Robert in 1811 but he is son of Richard & Elizabeth, that would make him 30 in 1841. I think it likely that this is the Robert who married Phoebe. Robert on the marriage cert was a labourer Apart from William I did find one earlier bap a Henry in 1814 but that's all. I haven't a marriage for Robert and Hannah but say they were 25ish then they would have married in about 1811. Interestingly there are biggish gaps between each child, 4 years between the first 2 and then roughly 5 between the rest. Probably babies who didn't survive in between and were not baptised. Robert and Hannah's ages are fairly consistent throughout the census so I believe Hannah was older than Robert, someone else has put forward before that maybe this Hannah is a second wife and he was married to a Hannah before and that indeed Elizabeth was a "late" baby but I think this may be stretching things. I can't seem to get beyond the supposition stage and I have a feeling probably never will on this line. Anyway, thanks again Any other thoughts from anyone gratefully recieved, maybe a marriage for Robert & Hannah? Rose On 2/5/07, Margaret J. Muntz <muntz@hunterlink.net.au> wrote: > > Rose > I am using Find my past site, and went looking for another possible Robert > who could be Robert and Hannah's son. Given Hannah age the chances are > that > there were some children before William, who would have left home before > the > 41 census. > Found a Robert PICK 30yrs with wife Phoebe and son John 1 year. Born in > County. Found them in the 61 census and Robert born "Cromall, > Gloucestershire" Is there a Cromall and a Cromhall or are they the same > place? > > Unfortunately Son John born Cheltenham and looks like, from Free BDM, that > this couple may have married in 1838. > Is Elizabeth's age of 5yrs at 41 census confirmed by later census, and > does > she give an occupation for her father on the marriage certificate? > > In 41 the younger Robert was a baker and in 61 an Ag Lab. Wife's name and > son's name I think these are the same Roberts despite change of > occupation. > And in 61 Phoebe is a little creative about her age just 24yrs with son > 21yrs !!! ANd so was Robert 30yrs in 41 census and 40yrs in 61 census. > > Can find neither of then in 71 census but a Robert dies are 62yrs in 1874 > at > Stroud which does fit to his most likely age. > > I know some of this is stretching the facts but it may give you some > leads. > And this puts Elizabeth back as a grandchild. Have you found them in the > 51 > census? > Marg > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rose Cowan" <rose.cowan@gmail.com> > To: <GLOUCESTER@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 12:52 PM > Subject: [GLS] PICK Elizabeth c1835 born Cromhall > > > > Hi > > > > Sometime ago I requested help from this list concerning Elizabeth PICK. > > Unfortunately since then I am really no further forward and wonder if > SKS > > may have any thoughts or help. > > > > What I do know is that from the 1861 census for Clapton in Gordano > onwards > > Elizabeth or Eliza was born in Cromhall. She married Frederick BAILEY > in > > 1864 and from the marriage certificate states her father was Robert > PICK. > > > > I have not had any success locating a baptism for her although there are > a > > couple of possibles none give Robert as a father. There is one entry > > giving > > Ann PICK as mother, no father's name given. At first I thought this may > > be > > it but then wondered why she would give the name Robert on her marriage > > cert. I have also information from the 1841 census which seems likely > to > > be > > Elizabeth: > > > > Robert 55 > > Hannah 60 > > William 25 > > Emma 20 > > Mary 15 > > Elizabeth 5 > > > > However, the Hannah would have been 55 at time of her birth so the > though > > is > > that Robert & Hannah are grandparents. She may not have know this and > > gave > > her grandfather as her father. I have found Robert and Hannah on the > 1871 > > census so they were still alive at the time of her marriage to > Frederick. > > > > I have found baptisms for William, Emma and Mary in Cromhall to Robert & > > Hannah. I have checked through Ancestry 1841 to see if there is another > > likely Robert but nothing. > > > > Do you think I am at the end of this line with the possible scenario > that > > the daughter Emma may be the mother and Elizabeth didn't know? There is > > not > > a baptism for another daughter between William 25 and Emma 20 unless the > > Ann > > PICK given on the baptism is a daughter. > > > > Would be grateful of any comments on this from the list. > > > > Regards to anyone who has tried to help me in the past with this > > > > Rose Cowan > > Sydney, Australia (when I last posted I was living in Swindon, UK) > > _____________________________________________ > > > > Browse the list archives at: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ > > Browse the list archives at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Rose I am using Find my past site, and went looking for another possible Robert who could be Robert and Hannah's son. Given Hannah age the chances are that there were some children before William, who would have left home before the 41 census. Found a Robert PICK 30yrs with wife Phoebe and son John 1 year. Born in County. Found them in the 61 census and Robert born "Cromall, Gloucestershire" Is there a Cromall and a Cromhall or are they the same place? Unfortunately Son John born Cheltenham and looks like, from Free BDM, that this couple may have married in 1838. Is Elizabeth's age of 5yrs at 41 census confirmed by later census, and does she give an occupation for her father on the marriage certificate? In 41 the younger Robert was a baker and in 61 an Ag Lab. Wife's name and son's name I think these are the same Roberts despite change of occupation. And in 61 Phoebe is a little creative about her age just 24yrs with son 21yrs !!! ANd so was Robert 30yrs in 41 census and 40yrs in 61 census. Can find neither of then in 71 census but a Robert dies are 62yrs in 1874 at Stroud which does fit to his most likely age. I know some of this is stretching the facts but it may give you some leads. And this puts Elizabeth back as a grandchild. Have you found them in the 51 census? Marg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rose Cowan" <rose.cowan@gmail.com> To: <GLOUCESTER@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 12:52 PM Subject: [GLS] PICK Elizabeth c1835 born Cromhall > Hi > > Sometime ago I requested help from this list concerning Elizabeth PICK. > Unfortunately since then I am really no further forward and wonder if SKS > may have any thoughts or help. > > What I do know is that from the 1861 census for Clapton in Gordano onwards > Elizabeth or Eliza was born in Cromhall. She married Frederick BAILEY in > 1864 and from the marriage certificate states her father was Robert PICK. > > I have not had any success locating a baptism for her although there are a > couple of possibles none give Robert as a father. There is one entry > giving > Ann PICK as mother, no father's name given. At first I thought this may > be > it but then wondered why she would give the name Robert on her marriage > cert. I have also information from the 1841 census which seems likely to > be > Elizabeth: > > Robert 55 > Hannah 60 > William 25 > Emma 20 > Mary 15 > Elizabeth 5 > > However, the Hannah would have been 55 at time of her birth so the though > is > that Robert & Hannah are grandparents. She may not have know this and > gave > her grandfather as her father. I have found Robert and Hannah on the 1871 > census so they were still alive at the time of her marriage to Frederick. > > I have found baptisms for William, Emma and Mary in Cromhall to Robert & > Hannah. I have checked through Ancestry 1841 to see if there is another > likely Robert but nothing. > > Do you think I am at the end of this line with the possible scenario that > the daughter Emma may be the mother and Elizabeth didn't know? There is > not > a baptism for another daughter between William 25 and Emma 20 unless the > Ann > PICK given on the baptism is a daughter. > > Would be grateful of any comments on this from the list. > > Regards to anyone who has tried to help me in the past with this > > Rose Cowan > Sydney, Australia (when I last posted I was living in Swindon, UK) > _____________________________________________ > > Browse the list archives at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Emma - or anyone else How do you find the actual street in relation to the piece number when looking at Ancestry ? I have tried looking for a neighbour in an earlier census in the hope that they may have lived in the same place - is there some other way to find particular streets ? Regards Leith Friend Hamilton New Zealand ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirk & Emma" <ty.copyn@virgin.net> To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [GLS] Ancestry - mistakes | Have you tried searching the actual street they were living at in 1901 or | 1981, page by page, just on the offchance? I have found people that way. Its | a long shot but certainly worth a try. | | Emma | Monmouth |

Dear Patricia Thank you so much for yoyr reply to my query. Is'nt it amazing I also live in Melbourne, Elizabeth the daughter of Thomas and Sarah Stagg is my GggGrandmother who came to Tasmania in 1841. It was interesting that you gave me Susanna;s maiden name as How as I have not been able to find that out. Do you have any record with it on. What would be on the LDS Frampton Cotterell data be as I do not want to worry you if I have it. Very interested any info on Thomas and Susanna. perhaps easy for us to talk on the phone if that suits you 93909278., How did your rels come to Australia Elna chapman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia" <klausdach@optusnet.com.au> To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 11:53 PM Subject: Re: [GLS] re House and Stagg family frampton cotterell >I have some information though they are very remotely on my tree. > Ann HOUSE bap 25.9.1774 mar 28.6.1798 at Frampton Cotterell Thomas > BURCOMBE > she was the eldest dau of Thomas and Susanna HOUSE nee HOW. Her elder > brother Thomas 4.10.1772 mar 13.2.1806 Sarah STAGG. > DAniel BURCOMBE son of Thomas married Mary Ann THOMAS the sister of my > ggrandfather Meshach THOMAS - I have some other data taken from the LDS > Film on Frampton Cotterell. Patricia G. in Melbourne. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elna & John Chapman" <ejchapman@optusnet.com.au> > To: <GLOUCESTER@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 5:15 PM > Subject: [GLS] re House and Stagg family frampton cotterell > > >> Would any one on the list have a connect to the House or Stagg Family in >> Frampton Cotterell.1700 to 1860's. Thanks El chapman australia >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Browse the list archives at: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ >> >> Keyword search - any or all lists: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ > > Browse the list archives at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Sometime ago I requested help from this list concerning Elizabeth PICK. Unfortunately since then I am really no further forward and wonder if SKS may have any thoughts or help. What I do know is that from the 1861 census for Clapton in Gordano onwards Elizabeth or Eliza was born in Cromhall. She married Frederick BAILEY in 1864 and from the marriage certificate states her father was Robert PICK. I have not had any success locating a baptism for her although there are a couple of possibles none give Robert as a father. There is one entry giving Ann PICK as mother, no father's name given. At first I thought this may be it but then wondered why she would give the name Robert on her marriage cert. I have also information from the 1841 census which seems likely to be Elizabeth: Robert 55 Hannah 60 William 25 Emma 20 Mary 15 Elizabeth 5 However, the Hannah would have been 55 at time of her birth so the though is that Robert & Hannah are grandparents. She may not have know this and gave her grandfather as her father. I have found Robert and Hannah on the 1871 census so they were still alive at the time of her marriage to Frederick. I have found baptisms for William, Emma and Mary in Cromhall to Robert & Hannah. I have checked through Ancestry 1841 to see if there is another likely Robert but nothing. Do you think I am at the end of this line with the possible scenario that the daughter Emma may be the mother and Elizabeth didn't know? There is not a baptism for another daughter between William 25 and Emma 20 unless the Ann PICK given on the baptism is a daughter. Would be grateful of any comments on this from the list. Regards to anyone who has tried to help me in the past with this Rose Cowan Sydney, Australia (when I last posted I was living in Swindon, UK)

Hello All, I am wondering if SKS could please check the US records to see if there is any mention of a Josiah VIZARD (also VIZZARD and VISARD). He was the son of Ann VIZARD born 1836 Alveston, Glouc'. He is with Ann in the 1841 and 1851 census, then he's in the army in 1861 at Farnborough as a soldier. I can find no mention of him in any later census, no marriage and no deaths in the indexes. Regards and thanks, Laura Vizard.

Hi, I am looking for the marriage at Westerleigh of Benjamin OWEN to a Mary or Mary Ann somewhere between perhaps about 1810 to Mar 1817 when their first recorded child was born. I would be very interested to find Mary's maiden name. Perhaps someone may have access to the parish registers. Gloria in Australia

Margaret asked: "Is there a Cromall and a Cromhall or are they the same place?" Short answer is as far as the people of Cromhall are concerned there is no "H" in the alphabet unless it is a sound at the front of words beginning with a vowel to give it emphasis! In fact if you come from there, the "o" often sounds like a "u" as well so you might also get "Crummal" type transcriptions. I read once that "The Glaswegian may have invented the glottal stop, but the Bristolian perfected it" ... and Cromhall is near enough to Bristol to have picked up some of the speech characteristics! Marilyn (who lived in Cromhall from the age of 8!) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret J. Muntz" <muntz@hunterlink.net.au> To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 7:03 AM Subject: Re: [GLS] PICK Elizabeth c1835 born Cromhall > Rose > I am using Find my past site, and went looking for another possible Robert > who could be Robert and Hannah's son. Given Hannah age the chances are > that > there were some children before William, who would have left home before > the > 41 census. > Found a Robert PICK 30yrs with wife Phoebe and son John 1 year. Born in > County. Found them in the 61 census and Robert born "Cromall, > Gloucestershire" Is there a Cromall and a Cromhall or are they the same > place? > > Unfortunately Son John born Cheltenham and looks like, from Free BDM, that > this couple may have married in 1838. > Is Elizabeth's age of 5yrs at 41 census confirmed by later census, and > does > she give an occupation for her father on the marriage certificate? > > In 41 the younger Robert was a baker and in 61 an Ag Lab. Wife's name and > son's name I think these are the same Roberts despite change of > occupation. > And in 61 Phoebe is a little creative about her age just 24yrs with son > 21yrs !!! ANd so was Robert 30yrs in 41 census and 40yrs in 61 census. > > Can find neither of then in 71 census but a Robert dies are 62yrs in 1874 > at > Stroud which does fit to his most likely age. > > I know some of this is stretching the facts but it may give you some > leads. > And this puts Elizabeth back as a grandchild. Have you found them in the > 51 > census? > Marg > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rose Cowan" <rose.cowan@gmail.com> > To: <GLOUCESTER@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 12:52 PM > Subject: [GLS] PICK Elizabeth c1835 born Cromhall > > >> Hi >> >> Sometime ago I requested help from this list concerning Elizabeth PICK. >> Unfortunately since then I am really no further forward and wonder if SKS >> may have any thoughts or help. >> >> What I do know is that from the 1861 census for Clapton in Gordano >> onwards >> Elizabeth or Eliza was born in Cromhall. She married Frederick BAILEY in >> 1864 and from the marriage certificate states her father was Robert PICK. >> >> I have not had any success locating a baptism for her although there are >> a >> couple of possibles none give Robert as a father. There is one entry >> giving >> Ann PICK as mother, no father's name given. At first I thought this may >> be >> it but then wondered why she would give the name Robert on her marriage >> cert. I have also information from the 1841 census which seems likely to >> be >> Elizabeth: >> >> Robert 55 >> Hannah 60 >> William 25 >> Emma 20 >> Mary 15 >> Elizabeth 5 >> >> However, the Hannah would have been 55 at time of her birth so the though >> is >> that Robert & Hannah are grandparents. She may not have know this and >> gave >> her grandfather as her father. I have found Robert and Hannah on the >> 1871 >> census so they were still alive at the time of her marriage to Frederick. >> >> I have found baptisms for William, Emma and Mary in Cromhall to Robert & >> Hannah. I have checked through Ancestry 1841 to see if there is another >> likely Robert but nothing. >> >> Do you think I am at the end of this line with the possible scenario that >> the daughter Emma may be the mother and Elizabeth didn't know? There is >> not >> a baptism for another daughter between William 25 and Emma 20 unless the >> Ann >> PICK given on the baptism is a daughter. >> >> Would be grateful of any comments on this from the list. >> >> Regards to anyone who has tried to help me in the past with this >> >> Rose Cowan >> Sydney, Australia (when I last posted I was living in Swindon, UK) >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Browse the list archives at: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ >> >> Keyword search - any or all lists: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ > > Browse the list archives at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Gloria, I have connections with some OWENS in that area, though mine were probably a bit later in arriving there. They came from a long-established family in North Nibley, which is not far away. My Owens were in Yate, Iron Acton and Westerleigh in the 1840s & 50s. Jeff On Mon, 5 February, 2007 1:32 am, gloria wrote: > Hi, > > > I am looking for the marriage at Westerleigh of Benjamin OWEN to a Mary > or Mary Ann somewhere between perhaps about 1810 to Mar 1817 when their > first recorded child was born. I would be very interested to find Mary's > maiden name. Perhaps someone may have access to the parish registers. > > Gloria > in Australia > > > _____________________________________________ > > > Browse the list archives at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Gloria These records are online http://www.frenchaymuseumarchives.co.uk/NewHomePage.htm click on the archives tab at the top of the page. happy hunting Marion in Wiltshire

Hi Listers It's that time again where I remind everyone about the Gloucestershire Look-up Exchange. For anyone who doesn't know what it's all about, it is an ever-growing list of volunteers who have resources in their possession and who are willing to do "look-ups". Why not take a look? Please take time to read the instructions if this is your first visit - You will find the Gloucester Lookup page at: http://aztecrose.tripod.com/gloucestershire/index.html I'm always on the look-out for more volunteers to undertake look-ups for fellow researchers in any area such as; tax lists, electoral rolls, directories, census indexes, indexed parish registers etc., etc., and if you are willing to add your name to this list, then please email me, at gagudju@ozemail.com.au your contribution will be gratefully accepted. I am also looking for anyone willing to be a Lookup Exchange Administrator for other English Counties. Please contact me. Go to http://aztecrose.tripod.com/LookupExchange.htm I would like to thank all volunteers who are listed for their continued support. Colin Pratt Administrator of the Huntingdonshire, England, Lookup Exchange: http://members.tripod.com/AztecRose/huntingdon/hun.html Administrator of the Gloucestershire, England, Lookup Exchange: http://aztecrose.tripod.com/gloucestershire/index.html Administrator of the UK Lookup Exchange County Index: http://aztecrose.tripod.com/LookupExchange.htm RootsWeb Mail List Owner - Pratts Surname RootsWeb Mail List Owner - Brace Surname RootsWeb Mail List Owner - Bustin Surname

> We are looking info on the family of Frederick Cole born about 1835 and > married about 1858 to Elizabeth Baker born about 1836. A son , also > Frederick was born in 1859.in Clifton. His occuption was cowman/ > agricultural labourer. He married Mary Jane Manners (born 1861) in 1880. > His family consists of William Charles 1880, Samuel 1884 in Cam, Arthur1886 > in Cam, Ellen ,my grandmother 1891 In Acton Turville and Elizabeth 1895 in > Greater Badminton. I have only been able to follow through on my > grandmother's descendants. Can you find any info on the other family > members as to descendants, marriages birth etc.? > It is difficult to do it from Canada > > Thanks > Mike > ******************************************************************* Hi Mike Found this on 1861 Census - looks like the family you are interested in: At TETBURY, Glos ( property name is "Doughton" or similar) Census Ref: RG9 Piece 1780 Folio 104 Page 23. Richard COLE Head age 55 Ag. Labourer, Born Tetbury Jane COLE Wife age 53 Born Tetbury Fredk. COLE Son Widower 27 Coachman Born Tetbury Charlotte COLE Dau Unmarried 20 Born Tetbury Jane COLE Dau Unmarried 8 Born Tetbury Fredk. COLE Grandson Age 1 Born St Philip & St James, Bristol.( Not Clifton !) Cheers Ian

Definitely so - anyway, when you DO find the record there is an even greater sense of accomplishment :-) Cathy > > Despite the mistakes (and who has not made them) where would our Family > History > research be without Ancestry? > > I can live with the errors, knowing how much extra information I have > gleaned > by using Ancestry. In my opinion, a Value for Money resource. > > > > Jim Parsons > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address > from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html > _____________________________________________ > > Browse the list archives at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Have you tried searching the actual street they were living at in 1901 or 1981, page by page, just on the offchance? I have found people that way. Its a long shot but certainly worth a try. Emma Monmouth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosemary M Chalmers" <rosechal@iinet.net.au> To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [GLS] Ancestry - mistakes > Hi Cathy, > > I've had a problem finding a family in the 1891 census. The whole family > had been living in the same general area for the 1841, 1851,1861,1871,1881 > & 1901 census. I've concluded that there is a transcription error and > have tried just searching under christian names with no surname but so far > no luck. > > So I can fully understand your frustration. It is possible to notify > Ancestry of these errors in transacription and they will ammend their > records. > > Bye, > Rosemary M Chalmers > Palmerston Bookkeeping Services > Darwin NT Australia > rosechal@iinet.net.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom&Cathy Purcell" <tcpurc@tpgi.com.au> > To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 5:47 PM > Subject: [GLS] Ancestry - mistakes > > >> Hi listers, >> I just had to make a comment to people who would appreciate it (that >> doesn't >> happen here at home). This week I was looking for the family of Charles >> and >> Matilda HILL on Ancestry for the 1861 census. I had them in earlier and >> later censuses(censii?) so I knew they had to be somewhere. >> I found them under the surname FLITCROFT. How would that happen I hear >> you >> ask? Well when I checked the original image that was the name of the >> family >> in the house before them. It states HILL quite clearly on the image. >> Luckily >> it didn't take me too long to find as I used Matilda's information with >> no >> surname but I so nearly didn't check the entry because I could not >> imagine >> how FLITCROFT could be mistranscribed from HILL. They were residing in >> Lancashire in 1851 and 1861. >> For the record Timothy was from Cam(in the 1851 census his place of birth >> is >> given as Cambridgeshire, Gloucestershire), christened in 1812, parents >> Charles HILL and Hannah SPRATT and Matilda ORGAN was from North Nibley. >> As >> yet I haven't found her birth/christening record. >> Timothy was a younger brother to my ggg grandmother Lois BRUTON (nee >> HILL). >> >> Kind regards, >> Cathy in coastal Queensland., Australia. >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Browse the list archives at: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ >> >> Keyword search - any or all lists: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >