I am trying to find the marriage of George Woodruffe(various spelling) I know his wife was Ann. They had the following children in Westerleigh Mary born 1791 Daniel born 1803 Sarah born 1807 Ursula Brisbane

G'day Pauline I noticed there was an entry there for a connection to William Shakespeare in Stratford on Avon. So it sounds like the family goes back a long way.It sounds as though maybe the whole story is a myth or that Lucy was regarded as Still birth for simplicity and thus never registered at all. Cheers Derek ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline Roberts" <secserve@wilnecote.fsbusiness.co.uk> To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins Hi Derek Yes, I have done that, but none of them are directly related, they are all related but a very long way back. We are only talking a little time ago really, 1895 - and I have got all the family back to 1733. The main thing to consider with this is that the family lived in Cheltenham, but that is not where they came from originally. They only landed there about 1840, they all came from Stratford - and no-one is researching the family in Cheltenham at all, except for me. I shall make further enquiries today. Many thanks Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek S M Cusick" <derek1@iinet.net.au> To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > Hi Pauline , > have you tried Googling Quiney. first one that comes up when I did , is a > long list of Quiney researchers on Genforum, at least one said they have an > extensive Family tree they will share. > You may just strike it lucky and find someone that can break down this wall > for you. > Best of Luck > Derek in West Oz > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pauline Roberts" <secserve@wilnecote.fsbusiness.co.uk> > To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 4:53 PM > Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > > > Hi Mark > > I like a puzzle too, but I thought I had laid this to rest seven years ago. > > It was a home birth, and no hospitals in those days for maternity cases, so > nothing to look for there. I have searched the GRO, but not any > 'unknowns' - however, surely they would have been registered together? > > There is only one place for burial at that time in that area, and I have a > full print out of that name, which is a very uncommon one (Quiney), so it > was easy for the cemetery to do for me. > > I am going to call Cheltenham Register Office today because this is giving > me grey hair (or more of it I should say!). > > Regards > > Pauline > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mataylor@homestead92.fsnet.co.uk" <mataylor@homestead92.fsnet.co.uk> > To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 9:46 PM > Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > > > > Pauline > > > > Are there any Church records that might help? Christening is possible at > > birth. Was it a home birth or hospital if a difficult birth? If hospital > > maybe records. > > > > Is there a time delay between birth and registration? Maybe view either > side > > of your Grandmothers registration a bit further. > > > > On the indexes look for unknown at the end of the quarter. Whilst family > may > > have named her it might only have been after legal registration had taken > > place. > > > > Look further afield regarding burial. > > > > You might have thought of the above but I like a puzzle. > > > > Mark > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Pauline Roberts > > Sent: 11 February 2007 21:28 > > To: gloucester@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > > > > > > Hi Jenny > > > > Thank you. Does this mean that no time would have been put on my > > grandmother's birth then, seeing as the other child was still born? Does > > this not count? I might just telephone the register office concerned and > > see (as it was a typed certificate) if there was a time entered that was > > missed off the certificate. > > > > Regards > > > > Pauline > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "jenny buckley" <jenny_buckley@hotmail.com> > > To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 8:56 PM > > Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > > > > > > > Hi Pauline, > > > > > > Yesterday I was reading the march issue of practical family > > > history and in one story it does mention twins, it could be that the > twin > > > was still born, and it states in the magazine that still births prior to > > > 1927 were not registered. hope this little bit is of help to you. > > > > > > jenny > > > > > > > > > >From: "Pauline Roberts" <secserve@wilnecote.fsbusiness.co.uk> > > > >Reply-To: gloucester@rootsweb.com > > > >To: <GLOUCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> > > > >Subject: [GLS] Birth of Twins > > > >Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 20:58:18 -0000 > > > > > > > >Hello all > > > > > > > >My grandmother was born in 1895, and all her life believed she was a > > twin. > > > >The other child, apparently a girl was called Lucy but died soon after > > > >birth. > > > > > > > >When I purchased my grandmother's birth certificate, there was no > mention > > > >of > > > >a time, which I understood was the case when there was twins, so I > > assumed > > > >that there was only one child and the other child was a bit of a fib. > > > > > > > >I have now spoken to the daughter of my grandmother's long lost > brother, > > > >and > > > >she mentioned the fact that my gran was a twin. This leaves me > > wondering. > > > >There is neither a birth nor death registration for another child at > the > > > >same time as my grandmother, and no indication on the certificate. Can > > > >anyone advise if it is possible that no registration of birth or death > > > >could > > > >have taken place if the child was born but died? > > > > > > > >To add to this, the name is an unusual one, and I have a complete list > of > > > >all people buried at the cemetery nearby with the same name, some are > > > >babies, but none are called Lucy, and none coincide with the date of my > > > >grandmother's birth, not even slightly. > > > > > > > >I would appreciate any comments anyone would have, because I am a > little > > > >bit > > > >flummoxed by this. > > > > > > > >Pauline > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > > > > > > >Browse the list archives at: > > > >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > > > > > > >Keyword search - any or all lists: > > > >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > > > >------------------------------- > > > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > >GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > MSN Hotmail is evolving – check out the new Windows Live Mail > > > http://ideas.live.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > > > Browse the list archives at: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > Browse the list archives at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ Browse the list archives at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ Keyword search - any or all lists: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Pauline , have you tried Googling Quiney. first one that comes up when I did , is a long list of Quiney researchers on Genforum, at least one said they have an extensive Family tree they will share. You may just strike it lucky and find someone that can break down this wall for you. Best of Luck Derek in West Oz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline Roberts" <secserve@wilnecote.fsbusiness.co.uk> To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins Hi Mark I like a puzzle too, but I thought I had laid this to rest seven years ago. It was a home birth, and no hospitals in those days for maternity cases, so nothing to look for there. I have searched the GRO, but not any 'unknowns' - however, surely they would have been registered together? There is only one place for burial at that time in that area, and I have a full print out of that name, which is a very uncommon one (Quiney), so it was easy for the cemetery to do for me. I am going to call Cheltenham Register Office today because this is giving me grey hair (or more of it I should say!). Regards Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mataylor@homestead92.fsnet.co.uk" <mataylor@homestead92.fsnet.co.uk> To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > Pauline > > Are there any Church records that might help? Christening is possible at > birth. Was it a home birth or hospital if a difficult birth? If hospital > maybe records. > > Is there a time delay between birth and registration? Maybe view either side > of your Grandmothers registration a bit further. > > On the indexes look for unknown at the end of the quarter. Whilst family may > have named her it might only have been after legal registration had taken > place. > > Look further afield regarding burial. > > You might have thought of the above but I like a puzzle. > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Pauline Roberts > Sent: 11 February 2007 21:28 > To: gloucester@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > > > Hi Jenny > > Thank you. Does this mean that no time would have been put on my > grandmother's birth then, seeing as the other child was still born? Does > this not count? I might just telephone the register office concerned and > see (as it was a typed certificate) if there was a time entered that was > missed off the certificate. > > Regards > > Pauline > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jenny buckley" <jenny_buckley@hotmail.com> > To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 8:56 PM > Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > > > > Hi Pauline, > > > > Yesterday I was reading the march issue of practical family > > history and in one story it does mention twins, it could be that the twin > > was still born, and it states in the magazine that still births prior to > > 1927 were not registered. hope this little bit is of help to you. > > > > jenny > > > > > > >From: "Pauline Roberts" <secserve@wilnecote.fsbusiness.co.uk> > > >Reply-To: gloucester@rootsweb.com > > >To: <GLOUCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> > > >Subject: [GLS] Birth of Twins > > >Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 20:58:18 -0000 > > > > > >Hello all > > > > > >My grandmother was born in 1895, and all her life believed she was a > twin. > > >The other child, apparently a girl was called Lucy but died soon after > > >birth. > > > > > >When I purchased my grandmother's birth certificate, there was no mention > > >of > > >a time, which I understood was the case when there was twins, so I > assumed > > >that there was only one child and the other child was a bit of a fib. > > > > > >I have now spoken to the daughter of my grandmother's long lost brother, > > >and > > >she mentioned the fact that my gran was a twin. This leaves me > wondering. > > >There is neither a birth nor death registration for another child at the > > >same time as my grandmother, and no indication on the certificate. Can > > >anyone advise if it is possible that no registration of birth or death > > >could > > >have taken place if the child was born but died? > > > > > >To add to this, the name is an unusual one, and I have a complete list of > > >all people buried at the cemetery nearby with the same name, some are > > >babies, but none are called Lucy, and none coincide with the date of my > > >grandmother's birth, not even slightly. > > > > > >I would appreciate any comments anyone would have, because I am a little > > >bit > > >flummoxed by this. > > > > > >Pauline > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > > > > >Browse the list archives at: > > >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > > > > >Keyword search - any or all lists: > > >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > > >------------------------------- > > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN Hotmail is evolving – check out the new Windows Live Mail > > http://ideas.live.com > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > Browse the list archives at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > _____________________________________________ Browse the list archives at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ Keyword search - any or all lists: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jan, Very happy for you. This is wonderful, a name and date of the first wife. I was intrigued from the first and being an insatiable genealogist, I love to know how you go with this lead. Regards Debby -----Original Message----- From: gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Jan Daly Sent: Monday, 12 February 2007 7:51 AM To: gloucester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GLS] John Beard Thank you Liz This looks like the breakthrough I have been looking for in relation to his first marriage - I shall certainly follow it up. I understand that the Quaker records are in the Gloucestershire Archives. Jan -----Original Message----- From: gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Jack Sent: Sunday, 11 February 2007 10:42 PM To: gloucester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GLS] John Beard Hi Jan According to the GFHS Marriage Index, John Beard married an Ann Lury on 5th January 1825 at Olveston Quaker church. Liz __________________________________ Hidden Heritage : www.gloster.demon.co.uk Researching : BLINKHORNE/BLENKARN/SOSBE GWINNETT/RANN PHILPOTT & PURDON only in Ireland > -----Original Message----- > From: Jan Daly [mailto:jdaly270@bigpond.net.au] > Sent: 11 February 2007 00:34 > To: gloucester@rootsweb.com > Subject: [GLS] John Beard > > Hi Listers, > > > > I am trying to find out more information about my great great grandfather, > John Beard. He was born in Gloucestershire in about 1798. He arrived in > Australia in 1838, after being convicted of fraud. He was sentenced to > transportation for life in the Summer Assizes at Gloucester in August 1837. > His indent papers show that he was married at that time, however, he married > again in December 1848. He is shown as a "widower" on the marriage entry. > The indent papers give his religion as Quaker and the conditional pardon > shows him as born in 1798. > > > > There is a report of the trial in "The Times" of 9 August 1837 which states > that the prisoner "had been a man of great respectability and property in > this city" and "had lately been a coal and timber merchant." I am trying > to find out more about John Beard's life in Glos before he was sent to New > South Wales such as his business dealings and his first wife. > > > > His parents are shown on his death certificate as Brice Beard and Harriett > Courner. I have some doubts about the accuracy of this information as his > widow, who was the informant was also called Harriett Courner. > > > > I have looked on "Scribe's Alcove" and IGI and found a John Beard born on 4 > April 1797 to Brice Beard and Sarah Lovelace. Although the father's name > is right, the mother's name and the year of birth don't fit with other > information. > > > > I would be grateful for any ideas or assistance. My father tried to find > some information about the Quakers in Glos many years ago but without > success. > > > > Regards > > > > Jan Daly > > Sydney NSW Australia > > > > > _____________________________________________ Browse the list archives at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ Keyword search - any or all lists: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ Browse the list archives at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ Keyword search - any or all lists: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ursula, According to the IGI (http://www.familysearch.org/) there is the following marriage:- George Woodroff marr. Ann Chapell 30 OCT 1783 Frampton Cotterell, Gloucester, England This is only a couple of miles from Westerleigh HTH, Al -----Original Message----- From: Ursula [mailto:ldu04114@bigpond.net.au] Sent: 12 February 2007 08:38 To: gloucester@rootsweb.com Subject: [GLS] Woodruffe (various) I am trying to find the marriage of George Woodruffe(various spelling) I know his wife was Ann. They had the following children in Westerleigh Mary born 1791 Daniel born 1803 Sarah born 1807 Ursula Brisbane

CORRECTION !!! Of course I meant to type 1890 census !!! Kitty Note: forwarded message attached.

Hi Listers, 1990 census shows THOMAS J HEATH, born Sept 1851 in England in St Louis, Missouri. Emigrated in 1856. Has been in America for 44 years. Thomas is 48 years old in 1890. He is chief clerk for R.R., as is his eldest son WILLIE. About 1870 he married MARY W. ----, age 39 in this census. She has had 8 children, 6 still alive at this census. Willie 17, Herbert 15, Helen 12, Bessie 10, Karl 5, and Esther 1. Wife Mary was born in Ohio of German parents. Thomas owns his home, and is not naturalized. In his household lives his unmarried sister, SALLIE age 52, born England MAR 1848. Also in St Louis is his brother WILLIAM HEATH age 49, born Sept 1850. Married for 19 years to EMMA W. now age 43. Born 1857 Ohio of English parents. [Possibly not England --I wondered if Mary W. and Emma W. might be sisters ??] Emma and William had no children. William is a coal & ice dealer, and seems to live in a 'nice' district. Thomas is still alive in 1920 census age 68. Lives in Webster Grove, probably on Old Orchard near Catalpa, Swan and Willow. Now a VERY desirable neighborhood of beautiful Victorian houses and some lovely gardens. William is living in the same area in 1910 census. Eventually, death certificates will come on line which show parent's name [mother ?]. The 1890 census is a goldmine of info !! My good wishes to all. Kitty in St Louis, MO PS. Where are you located Chas. OLNEY ?? Mike Bradshaw <micbradshaw@btinternet.com> wrote: The Parish Registers for Westbury have been transcribed but unfortunately there is no record of baptisms for your Thomas J Heath or for his brother William R Heath Your best bet would be to check for them on the 1841 & 1851 census returns and also to seek help as to whether someone can assist you with the necessary details to obtain a copy of the birth certificate/s. Mike Bradshaw ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 3:24 AM Subject: [GLS] Thomas J. Heath-Westbury on Severn 1852 > On behalf of a cousin, I am trying to find information on her grandfather, > Thomas J. Heath. Our records indicate he was born in Westbury on Severn > about > 1852. He had a brother, William R. Heath, who was born about 1850. They > may have immigrated to the U.S. with their family about 1855. We don't > have > the names of their parents. This may not be much to go on, but perhaps > someone > can help. It will be appreciated. > Charles Olney (olneycs@aol.com) > _____________________________________________ > > Browse the list archives at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ Browse the list archives at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ Keyword search - any or all lists: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I have been very interested in this thread. I have been trying to trace a baby born in September/October, 1947, who died a few minutes after she was born. I cannot find any trace of her in either Births or Deaths. Perhaps they don't register newborns like that as she didn't have a name. Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Jones" <davidjones5512@btinternet.com> To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > > Hi, > > You can check the BMD records at > http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/vital/freebmd/bmd.aspx > > Quite easy if you have the name and date. > > Regards > > > David

Hi, You can check the BMD records at http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/vital/freebmd/bmd.aspx Quite easy if you have the name and date. Regards David

Hi Pauline, Please let us know what they say to you at Cheltenham about the "deceased" twin. My Mom always said she was a twin and that the twin was dead or died at birth (August 1921). I tried phoning the local registrar but they just said it was too early for them (pre 1927) and I've checked the PR's and the GRO indexes but found nothing. My Mom's sister verified the claims but couldn't remember it happening, she just remembered being told. Judy Pauline Roberts <secserve@wilnecote.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote: Hi Mark I like a puzzle too, but I thought I had laid this to rest seven years ago. It was a home birth, and no hospitals in those days for maternity cases, so nothing to look for there. I have searched the GRO, but not any 'unknowns' - however, surely they would have been registered together? There is only one place for burial at that time in that area, and I have a full print out of that name, which is a very uncommon one (Quiney), so it was easy for the cemetery to do for me. I am going to call Cheltenham Register Office today because this is giving me grey hair (or more of it I should say!). Regards Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mataylor@homestead92.fsnet.co.uk" To: Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > Pauline > > Are there any Church records that might help? Christening is possible at > birth. Was it a home birth or hospital if a difficult birth? If hospital > maybe records. > > Is there a time delay between birth and registration? Maybe view either side > of your Grandmothers registration a bit further. > > On the indexes look for unknown at the end of the quarter. Whilst family may > have named her it might only have been after legal registration had taken > place. > > Look further afield regarding burial. > > You might have thought of the above but I like a puzzle. > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Pauline Roberts > Sent: 11 February 2007 21:28 > To: gloucester@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > > > Hi Jenny > > Thank you. Does this mean that no time would have been put on my > grandmother's birth then, seeing as the other child was still born? Does > this not count? I might just telephone the register office concerned and > see (as it was a typed certificate) if there was a time entered that was > missed off the certificate. > > Regards > > Pauline > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jenny buckley" > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 8:56 PM > Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > > > > Hi Pauline, > > > > Yesterday I was reading the march issue of practical family > > history and in one story it does mention twins, it could be that the twin > > was still born, and it states in the magazine that still births prior to > > 1927 were not registered. hope this little bit is of help to you. > > > > jenny > > > > > > >From: "Pauline Roberts" > > >Reply-To: gloucester@rootsweb.com > > >To: > > >Subject: [GLS] Birth of Twins > > >Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 20:58:18 -0000 > > > > > >Hello all > > > > > >My grandmother was born in 1895, and all her life believed she was a > twin. > > >The other child, apparently a girl was called Lucy but died soon after > > >birth. > > > > > >When I purchased my grandmother's birth certificate, there was no mention > > >of > > >a time, which I understood was the case when there was twins, so I > assumed > > >that there was only one child and the other child was a bit of a fib. > > > > > >I have now spoken to the daughter of my grandmother's long lost brother, > > >and > > >she mentioned the fact that my gran was a twin. This leaves me > wondering. > > >There is neither a birth nor death registration for another child at the > > >same time as my grandmother, and no indication on the certificate. Can > > >anyone advise if it is possible that no registration of birth or death > > >could > > >have taken place if the child was born but died? > > > > > >To add to this, the name is an unusual one, and I have a complete list of > > >all people buried at the cemetery nearby with the same name, some are > > >babies, but none are called Lucy, and none coincide with the date of my > > >grandmother's birth, not even slightly. > > > > > >I would appreciate any comments anyone would have, because I am a little > > >bit > > >flummoxed by this. > > > > > >Pauline > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > > > > >Browse the list archives at: > > >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > > > > >Keyword search - any or all lists: > > >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > > >------------------------------- > > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN Hotmail is evolving – check out the new Windows Live Mail > > http://ideas.live.com > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > Browse the list archives at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > _____________________________________________ Browse the list archives at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ Keyword search - any or all lists: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Charani No, I had come to that conclusion quite a few years ago when I had checked the GRO and bought the certificate that it had been a myth and believed that until yesterday. My gran's brothers were all older, the youngest was put in an orphanage (he was about 10), the others were all at work. When my gran's mother died she asked her sister to look after my gran, and so my gran moved from Cheltenham to Birmingham, and from then on called her aunt 'mother'. On speaking to the daughter of the brother that went into the orphanage (Bill), she said Bill had always spoken of his twin sisters. This has thrown a spanner into the works. My nan had been told by her aunt she was a twin, too, so all this is very odd. I think I shall leave it to lie now, because it will drive me mad if I don't, but I am very very curious. Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charani" <familyhunter@family-hunter.co.uk> To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > Pauline Roberts wrote: > > > > I have had a full print-out of all the burials under that name (Quiney) at > > Cheltenham cemetery, which was opened in 1864 (I think), and the only place > > that anyone could be buried who lived in that part of town, because the > > churchyard was closed by then, so I have eliminated that. There are other > > childrenof the same name, one lived two minutes, one lived two seconds, but > > they were not the same dates, and were the children of another member of the > > same family. We had understood that the child lived a little while, and > > this person I spoke to yesterday had said to his daughters that he had twin > > sisters. It is all very bizarre. > > If the child lived, then she would have been registered both birth and > death. > > Would a 4 year old really know whether there had been twin sisters, > esp if there was lost contact between family members? > > To be perfectly honest, I don't think there were twins. > > -- > Charani (UK) > >

Hi Derek The link to Shakespeare is a tenuous one, and not one I am pursuing. I have gone back to 1733 or thereabouts, with a little help, but there the trail goes cold. I have, however, had a conversation with a man who is related to Adrian Quiney, and is fully conversant with their family tree, right the way down. He believes that somewhere along the line, possibly a cousin, or something of Adrian Quiney is the start of our line. He firmly believes all the Warwickshire Quineys are linked, and he is not daft, he is a lawyer. There is something far more exciting to me than finding out I have a link to Judith Shakespeare, and that is why the family moved from Stratford to Cheltenham. Four of the seven Quineys moved, Thomas remained in Stratford, living in Ely Street all his life. Job (aka Joseph)Quiney went to Oz in 1849, told lies and made a small packet - he is also the man who introduced foxes to Australia, which I am fully aware is nothing to shout about! His sister Lydia followed in 1852, hoping to find her brother, but we don't think she did, after all, he had told many lies about her and her marriage and probably did not wish to be found. Lydia advertised in the Melbourne newspaper. Rebecca and Edmund stayed in Cheltenham, and Edmund is whom I am descended from. Now, why did they all move from Stratford? In 1820, in the November, a plan was hatched between four men who were labourers of one kind or another, two had largish families, but they were all a little hard up (what with the price of bread being exceedingly high because of the wars in France, and the wages being exceedingly low). The plan was formed to rob a rent collector on his rounds. On the night in question, the four men went for a drink to give a little Dutch courage one assumes, and positioned themselves near Little Ham Bridge in Alveston, waiting for the rent collector to pass by. As the man approached on his horse, the four men attacked him, found it was the wrong man, but took what they could and went - one of the four went back and gave the man his final kicking in the head, which probably finished the poor chap off. This man was no rent collector, but a man visiting his mother at Alveston, and had been to Warwick to vote. His name was William Hirons and he subsequently died. To cut a long story short, Nathaniel Quiney, Thomas Heytrey, Hery Adams and Samuel Sidney were sentenced to death and were hanged at Warwick in April 1821. Nathaniel was my 3 x gt grandfather. Violence does not, I assure you, run in the family! Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek S M Cusick" <derek1@iinet.net.au> To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > G'day Pauline > I noticed there was an entry there for a connection to William Shakespeare > in Stratford on Avon. > So it sounds like the family goes back a long way.It sounds as though maybe > the whole story is a myth or that Lucy was regarded as Still birth for > simplicity and thus never registered at all. > Cheers > Derek > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pauline Roberts" <secserve@wilnecote.fsbusiness.co.uk> > To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 6:27 PM > Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > > > Hi Derek > > Yes, I have done that, but none of them are directly related, they are all > related but a very long way back. We are only talking a little time ago > really, 1895 - and I have got all the family back to 1733. > > The main thing to consider with this is that the family lived in Cheltenham, > but that is not where they came from originally. > > They only landed there about 1840, they all came from Stratford - and no-one > is researching the family in Cheltenham at all, except for me. > > I shall make further enquiries today. > > Many thanks > > Pauline > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Derek S M Cusick" <derek1@iinet.net.au> > To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 8:59 AM > Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > > > > Hi Pauline , > > have you tried Googling Quiney. first one that comes up when I did , is a > > long list of Quiney researchers on Genforum, at least one said they have > an > > extensive Family tree they will share. > > You may just strike it lucky and find someone that can break down this > wall > > for you. > > Best of Luck > > Derek in West Oz > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Pauline Roberts" <secserve@wilnecote.fsbusiness.co.uk> > > To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 4:53 PM > > Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > > > > > > Hi Mark > > > > I like a puzzle too, but I thought I had laid this to rest seven years > ago. > > > > It was a home birth, and no hospitals in those days for maternity cases, > so > > nothing to look for there. I have searched the GRO, but not any > > 'unknowns' - however, surely they would have been registered together? > > > > There is only one place for burial at that time in that area, and I have a > > full print out of that name, which is a very uncommon one (Quiney), so it > > was easy for the cemetery to do for me. > > > > I am going to call Cheltenham Register Office today because this is giving > > me grey hair (or more of it I should say!). > > > > Regards > > > > Pauline > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mataylor@homestead92.fsnet.co.uk" > <mataylor@homestead92.fsnet.co.uk> > > To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 9:46 PM > > Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > > > > > > > Pauline > > > > > > Are there any Church records that might help? Christening is possible at > > > birth. Was it a home birth or hospital if a difficult birth? If hospital > > > maybe records. > > > > > > Is there a time delay between birth and registration? Maybe view either > > side > > > of your Grandmothers registration a bit further. > > > > > > On the indexes look for unknown at the end of the quarter. Whilst family > > may > > > have named her it might only have been after legal registration had > taken > > > place. > > > > > > Look further afield regarding burial. > > > > > > You might have thought of the above but I like a puzzle. > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com > > > [mailto:gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Pauline Roberts > > > Sent: 11 February 2007 21:28 > > > To: gloucester@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > > > > > > > > > Hi Jenny > > > > > > Thank you. Does this mean that no time would have been put on my > > > grandmother's birth then, seeing as the other child was still born? > Does > > > this not count? I might just telephone the register office concerned > and > > > see (as it was a typed certificate) if there was a time entered that > was > > > missed off the certificate. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Pauline > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "jenny buckley" <jenny_buckley@hotmail.com> > > > To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 8:56 PM > > > Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > > > > > > > > > > Hi Pauline, > > > > > > > > Yesterday I was reading the march issue of practical > family > > > > history and in one story it does mention twins, it could be that the > > twin > > > > was still born, and it states in the magazine that still births prior > to > > > > 1927 were not registered. hope this little bit is of help to you. > > > > > > > > jenny > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Pauline Roberts" <secserve@wilnecote.fsbusiness.co.uk> > > > > >Reply-To: gloucester@rootsweb.com > > > > >To: <GLOUCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > >Subject: [GLS] Birth of Twins > > > > >Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 20:58:18 -0000 > > > > > > > > > >Hello all > > > > > > > > > >My grandmother was born in 1895, and all her life believed she was a > > > twin. > > > > >The other child, apparently a girl was called Lucy but died soon > after > > > > >birth. > > > > > > > > > >When I purchased my grandmother's birth certificate, there was no > > mention > > > > >of > > > > >a time, which I understood was the case when there was twins, so I > > > assumed > > > > >that there was only one child and the other child was a bit of a fib. > > > > > > > > > >I have now spoken to the daughter of my grandmother's long lost > > brother, > > > > >and > > > > >she mentioned the fact that my gran was a twin. This leaves me > > > wondering. > > > > >There is neither a birth nor death registration for another child at > > the > > > > >same time as my grandmother, and no indication on the certificate. > Can > > > > >anyone advise if it is possible that no registration of birth or > death > > > > >could > > > > >have taken place if the child was born but died? > > > > > > > > > >To add to this, the name is an unusual one, and I have a complete > list > > of > > > > >all people buried at the cemetery nearby with the same name, some are > > > > >babies, but none are called Lucy, and none coincide with the date of > my > > > > >grandmother's birth, not even slightly. > > > > > > > > > >I would appreciate any comments anyone would have, because I am a > > little > > > > >bit > > > > >flummoxed by this. > > > > > > > > > >Pauline > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > >Browse the list archives at: > > > > >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > > > > > > > > >Keyword search - any or all lists: > > > > >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > > > > >------------------------------- > > > > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > >GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > > > >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > MSN Hotmail is evolving – check out the new Windows Live Mail > > > > http://ideas.live.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > > > > > Browse the list archives at: > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > > > > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > > > Browse the list archives at: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > Browse the list archives at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Pauline Roberts wrote: > I have had a full print-out of all the burials under that name (Quiney) at > Cheltenham cemetery, which was opened in 1864 (I think), and the only place > that anyone could be buried who lived in that part of town, because the > churchyard was closed by then, so I have eliminated that. There are other > childrenof the same name, one lived two minutes, one lived two seconds, but > they were not the same dates, and were the children of another member of the > same family. We had understood that the child lived a little while, and > this person I spoke to yesterday had said to his daughters that he had twin > sisters. It is all very bizarre. If the child lived, then she would have been registered both birth and death. Would a 4 year old really know whether there had been twin sisters, esp if there was lost contact between family members? To be perfectly honest, I don't think there were twins. -- Charani (UK)

Hi Eveline Yes, I do know about that, but this child is supposed to have died shortly after birth, and my grandmother's birth was registered on 30 December 1895, but surely a child that had died would not have been registered later than this? Very puzzling, but I shall make further enquires at Cheltenham today. Many thanks Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eveline Clarke" <aclarke22@toucansurf.com> To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > Hi Pauline > > My mother had twin boys who were born 2 days apart and registered > separately, I know this because the page numbers on the birth entries do not > run concurrently. > > If this happened in your mother's case, itmight well be that one twin was > registered in one quarter, the other in the next. > > Eveline > > > > > > > My grandmother was born in 1895, and all her life believed she was a twin. > > The other child, apparently a girl was called Lucy but died soon after > > birth. > > > > When I purchased my grandmother's birth certificate, there was no mention > of > > a time, which I understood was the case when there was twins, so I assumed > > that there was only one child and the other child was a bit of a fib. > > > > I have now spoken to the daughter of my grandmother's long lost brother, > and > > she mentioned the fact that my gran was a twin. This leaves me wondering. > > There is neither a birth nor death registration for another child at the > > same time as my grandmother, and no indication on the certificate. Can > > anyone advise if it is possible that no registration of birth or death > could > > have taken place if the child was born but died? > > > > To add to this, the name is an unusual one, and I have a complete list of > > all people buried at the cemetery nearby with the same name, some are > > babies, but none are called Lucy, and none coincide with the date of my > > grandmother's birth, not even slightly. > > > > I would appreciate any comments anyone would have, because I am a little > bit > > flummoxed by this. > > > > Pauline > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > > > Browse the list archives at: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > >

Hi Derek Yes, I have done that, but none of them are directly related, they are all related but a very long way back. We are only talking a little time ago really, 1895 - and I have got all the family back to 1733. The main thing to consider with this is that the family lived in Cheltenham, but that is not where they came from originally. They only landed there about 1840, they all came from Stratford - and no-one is researching the family in Cheltenham at all, except for me. I shall make further enquiries today. Many thanks Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek S M Cusick" <derek1@iinet.net.au> To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > Hi Pauline , > have you tried Googling Quiney. first one that comes up when I did , is a > long list of Quiney researchers on Genforum, at least one said they have an > extensive Family tree they will share. > You may just strike it lucky and find someone that can break down this wall > for you. > Best of Luck > Derek in West Oz > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pauline Roberts" <secserve@wilnecote.fsbusiness.co.uk> > To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 4:53 PM > Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > > > Hi Mark > > I like a puzzle too, but I thought I had laid this to rest seven years ago. > > It was a home birth, and no hospitals in those days for maternity cases, so > nothing to look for there. I have searched the GRO, but not any > 'unknowns' - however, surely they would have been registered together? > > There is only one place for burial at that time in that area, and I have a > full print out of that name, which is a very uncommon one (Quiney), so it > was easy for the cemetery to do for me. > > I am going to call Cheltenham Register Office today because this is giving > me grey hair (or more of it I should say!). > > Regards > > Pauline > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mataylor@homestead92.fsnet.co.uk" <mataylor@homestead92.fsnet.co.uk> > To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 9:46 PM > Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > > > > Pauline > > > > Are there any Church records that might help? Christening is possible at > > birth. Was it a home birth or hospital if a difficult birth? If hospital > > maybe records. > > > > Is there a time delay between birth and registration? Maybe view either > side > > of your Grandmothers registration a bit further. > > > > On the indexes look for unknown at the end of the quarter. Whilst family > may > > have named her it might only have been after legal registration had taken > > place. > > > > Look further afield regarding burial. > > > > You might have thought of the above but I like a puzzle. > > > > Mark > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Pauline Roberts > > Sent: 11 February 2007 21:28 > > To: gloucester@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > > > > > > Hi Jenny > > > > Thank you. Does this mean that no time would have been put on my > > grandmother's birth then, seeing as the other child was still born? Does > > this not count? I might just telephone the register office concerned and > > see (as it was a typed certificate) if there was a time entered that was > > missed off the certificate. > > > > Regards > > > > Pauline > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "jenny buckley" <jenny_buckley@hotmail.com> > > To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 8:56 PM > > Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > > > > > > > Hi Pauline, > > > > > > Yesterday I was reading the march issue of practical family > > > history and in one story it does mention twins, it could be that the > twin > > > was still born, and it states in the magazine that still births prior to > > > 1927 were not registered. hope this little bit is of help to you. > > > > > > jenny > > > > > > > > > >From: "Pauline Roberts" <secserve@wilnecote.fsbusiness.co.uk> > > > >Reply-To: gloucester@rootsweb.com > > > >To: <GLOUCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> > > > >Subject: [GLS] Birth of Twins > > > >Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 20:58:18 -0000 > > > > > > > >Hello all > > > > > > > >My grandmother was born in 1895, and all her life believed she was a > > twin. > > > >The other child, apparently a girl was called Lucy but died soon after > > > >birth. > > > > > > > >When I purchased my grandmother's birth certificate, there was no > mention > > > >of > > > >a time, which I understood was the case when there was twins, so I > > assumed > > > >that there was only one child and the other child was a bit of a fib. > > > > > > > >I have now spoken to the daughter of my grandmother's long lost > brother, > > > >and > > > >she mentioned the fact that my gran was a twin. This leaves me > > wondering. > > > >There is neither a birth nor death registration for another child at > the > > > >same time as my grandmother, and no indication on the certificate. Can > > > >anyone advise if it is possible that no registration of birth or death > > > >could > > > >have taken place if the child was born but died? > > > > > > > >To add to this, the name is an unusual one, and I have a complete list > of > > > >all people buried at the cemetery nearby with the same name, some are > > > >babies, but none are called Lucy, and none coincide with the date of my > > > >grandmother's birth, not even slightly. > > > > > > > >I would appreciate any comments anyone would have, because I am a > little > > > >bit > > > >flummoxed by this. > > > > > > > >Pauline > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > > > > > > >Browse the list archives at: > > > >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > > > > > > >Keyword search - any or all lists: > > > >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > > > >------------------------------- > > > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > >GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > MSN Hotmail is evolving – check out the new Windows Live Mail > > > http://ideas.live.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > > > Browse the list archives at: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > Browse the list archives at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Jean I was under the impression that the GFHS Marriage Index was based on all the registers held at Gloucestershire Archives but their catalogue doesn't actually say it has the Olveston Quaker records - I will try to find out when I visit sometime during the week. Liz __________________________________ Hidden Heritage : www.gloster.demon.co.uk Researching : BLINKHORNE/BLENKARN/SOSBE GWINNETT/RANN PHILPOTT & PURDON only in Ireland > -----Original Message----- > From: Jan Daly [mailto:jdaly270@bigpond.net.au] > Sent: 11 February 2007 20:51 > To: gloucester@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GLS] John Beard > > Thank you Liz > > This looks like the breakthrough I have been looking for in relation to his > first marriage - I shall certainly follow it up. I understand that the > Quaker records are in the Gloucestershire Archives. > > Jan > > -----Original Message----- > From: gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Jack > Sent: Sunday, 11 February 2007 10:42 PM > To: gloucester@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GLS] John Beard > > Hi Jan > > According to the GFHS Marriage Index, John Beard married an Ann Lury on > 5th January 1825 at Olveston Quaker church. > > Liz > > __________________________________ > > Hidden Heritage : www.gloster.demon.co.uk > Researching : BLINKHORNE/BLENKARN/SOSBE > GWINNETT/RANN > PHILPOTT & PURDON only in Ireland > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jan Daly [mailto:jdaly270@bigpond.net.au] > > Sent: 11 February 2007 00:34 > > To: gloucester@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [GLS] John Beard > > > > Hi Listers, > > > > > > > > I am trying to find out more information about my great great > grandfather, > > John Beard. He was born in Gloucestershire in about 1798. He > arrived in > > Australia in 1838, after being convicted of fraud. He was sentenced > to > > transportation for life in the Summer Assizes at Gloucester in August > 1837. > > His indent papers show that he was married at that time, however, he > married > > again in December 1848. He is shown as a "widower" on the marriage > entry. > > The indent papers give his religion as Quaker and the conditional > pardon > > shows him as born in 1798. > > > > > > > > There is a report of the trial in "The Times" of 9 August 1837 which > states > > that the prisoner "had been a man of great respectability and property > in > > this city" and "had lately been a coal and timber merchant." I am > trying > > to find out more about John Beard's life in Glos before he was sent to > New > > South Wales such as his business dealings and his first wife. > > > > > > > > His parents are shown on his death certificate as Brice Beard and > Harriett > > Courner. I have some doubts about the accuracy of this information as > his > > widow, who was the informant was also called Harriett Courner. > > > > > > > > I have looked on "Scribe's Alcove" and IGI and found a John Beard born > on 4 > > April 1797 to Brice Beard and Sarah Lovelace. Although the father's > name > > is right, the mother's name and the year of birth don't fit with other > > information. > > > > > > > > I would be grateful for any ideas or assistance. My father tried to > find > > some information about the Quakers in Glos many years ago but without > > success. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Jan Daly > > > > Sydney NSW Australia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > Browse the list archives at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Pauline My mother had twin boys who were born 2 days apart and registered separately, I know this because the page numbers on the birth entries do not run concurrently. If this happened in your mother's case, itmight well be that one twin was registered in one quarter, the other in the next. Eveline > > > My grandmother was born in 1895, and all her life believed she was a twin. > The other child, apparently a girl was called Lucy but died soon after > birth. > > When I purchased my grandmother's birth certificate, there was no mention of > a time, which I understood was the case when there was twins, so I assumed > that there was only one child and the other child was a bit of a fib. > > I have now spoken to the daughter of my grandmother's long lost brother, and > she mentioned the fact that my gran was a twin. This leaves me wondering. > There is neither a birth nor death registration for another child at the > same time as my grandmother, and no indication on the certificate. Can > anyone advise if it is possible that no registration of birth or death could > have taken place if the child was born but died? > > To add to this, the name is an unusual one, and I have a complete list of > all people buried at the cemetery nearby with the same name, some are > babies, but none are called Lucy, and none coincide with the date of my > grandmother's birth, not even slightly. > > I would appreciate any comments anyone would have, because I am a little bit > flummoxed by this. > > Pauline > > > _____________________________________________ > > Browse the list archives at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you to all who offered suggestions on this subject, most of which I had tried seven years ago when I had discounted the 'myth'. The fact my grandmother's brother (whom she never knew after the age of four) had told his daughter that he had twin sisters, is what has brought the subject up once more. I can arrange for the baptism records to be checked, no problem and I will telephone the Register Office today. As regards the cemetery I have done all that can be done, and I am assured that there are no other entries under that name. Thank you all once again. Pauline

Hi Mark I like a puzzle too, but I thought I had laid this to rest seven years ago. It was a home birth, and no hospitals in those days for maternity cases, so nothing to look for there. I have searched the GRO, but not any 'unknowns' - however, surely they would have been registered together? There is only one place for burial at that time in that area, and I have a full print out of that name, which is a very uncommon one (Quiney), so it was easy for the cemetery to do for me. I am going to call Cheltenham Register Office today because this is giving me grey hair (or more of it I should say!). Regards Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mataylor@homestead92.fsnet.co.uk" <mataylor@homestead92.fsnet.co.uk> To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > Pauline > > Are there any Church records that might help? Christening is possible at > birth. Was it a home birth or hospital if a difficult birth? If hospital > maybe records. > > Is there a time delay between birth and registration? Maybe view either side > of your Grandmothers registration a bit further. > > On the indexes look for unknown at the end of the quarter. Whilst family may > have named her it might only have been after legal registration had taken > place. > > Look further afield regarding burial. > > You might have thought of the above but I like a puzzle. > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Pauline Roberts > Sent: 11 February 2007 21:28 > To: gloucester@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > > > Hi Jenny > > Thank you. Does this mean that no time would have been put on my > grandmother's birth then, seeing as the other child was still born? Does > this not count? I might just telephone the register office concerned and > see (as it was a typed certificate) if there was a time entered that was > missed off the certificate. > > Regards > > Pauline > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jenny buckley" <jenny_buckley@hotmail.com> > To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 8:56 PM > Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > > > > Hi Pauline, > > > > Yesterday I was reading the march issue of practical family > > history and in one story it does mention twins, it could be that the twin > > was still born, and it states in the magazine that still births prior to > > 1927 were not registered. hope this little bit is of help to you. > > > > jenny > > > > > > >From: "Pauline Roberts" <secserve@wilnecote.fsbusiness.co.uk> > > >Reply-To: gloucester@rootsweb.com > > >To: <GLOUCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> > > >Subject: [GLS] Birth of Twins > > >Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 20:58:18 -0000 > > > > > >Hello all > > > > > >My grandmother was born in 1895, and all her life believed she was a > twin. > > >The other child, apparently a girl was called Lucy but died soon after > > >birth. > > > > > >When I purchased my grandmother's birth certificate, there was no mention > > >of > > >a time, which I understood was the case when there was twins, so I > assumed > > >that there was only one child and the other child was a bit of a fib. > > > > > >I have now spoken to the daughter of my grandmother's long lost brother, > > >and > > >she mentioned the fact that my gran was a twin. This leaves me > wondering. > > >There is neither a birth nor death registration for another child at the > > >same time as my grandmother, and no indication on the certificate. Can > > >anyone advise if it is possible that no registration of birth or death > > >could > > >have taken place if the child was born but died? > > > > > >To add to this, the name is an unusual one, and I have a complete list of > > >all people buried at the cemetery nearby with the same name, some are > > >babies, but none are called Lucy, and none coincide with the date of my > > >grandmother's birth, not even slightly. > > > > > >I would appreciate any comments anyone would have, because I am a little > > >bit > > >flummoxed by this. > > > > > >Pauline > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > > > > >Browse the list archives at: > > >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > > > > >Keyword search - any or all lists: > > >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > > >------------------------------- > > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN Hotmail is evolving – check out the new Windows Live Mail > > http://ideas.live.com > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > Browse the list archives at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > >

Thank you Liz This looks like the breakthrough I have been looking for in relation to his first marriage - I shall certainly follow it up. I understand that the Quaker records are in the Gloucestershire Archives. Jan -----Original Message----- From: gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Jack Sent: Sunday, 11 February 2007 10:42 PM To: gloucester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GLS] John Beard Hi Jan According to the GFHS Marriage Index, John Beard married an Ann Lury on 5th January 1825 at Olveston Quaker church. Liz __________________________________ Hidden Heritage : www.gloster.demon.co.uk Researching : BLINKHORNE/BLENKARN/SOSBE GWINNETT/RANN PHILPOTT & PURDON only in Ireland > -----Original Message----- > From: Jan Daly [mailto:jdaly270@bigpond.net.au] > Sent: 11 February 2007 00:34 > To: gloucester@rootsweb.com > Subject: [GLS] John Beard > > Hi Listers, > > > > I am trying to find out more information about my great great grandfather, > John Beard. He was born in Gloucestershire in about 1798. He arrived in > Australia in 1838, after being convicted of fraud. He was sentenced to > transportation for life in the Summer Assizes at Gloucester in August 1837. > His indent papers show that he was married at that time, however, he married > again in December 1848. He is shown as a "widower" on the marriage entry. > The indent papers give his religion as Quaker and the conditional pardon > shows him as born in 1798. > > > > There is a report of the trial in "The Times" of 9 August 1837 which states > that the prisoner "had been a man of great respectability and property in > this city" and "had lately been a coal and timber merchant." I am trying > to find out more about John Beard's life in Glos before he was sent to New > South Wales such as his business dealings and his first wife. > > > > His parents are shown on his death certificate as Brice Beard and Harriett > Courner. I have some doubts about the accuracy of this information as his > widow, who was the informant was also called Harriett Courner. > > > > I have looked on "Scribe's Alcove" and IGI and found a John Beard born on 4 > April 1797 to Brice Beard and Sarah Lovelace. Although the father's name > is right, the mother's name and the year of birth don't fit with other > information. > > > > I would be grateful for any ideas or assistance. My father tried to find > some information about the Quakers in Glos many years ago but without > success. > > > > Regards > > > > Jan Daly > > Sydney NSW Australia > > > > > _____________________________________________ Browse the list archives at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ Keyword search - any or all lists: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message