We are in the process of transcribing the records of our local cemetery and still births burials are entered in the burial registers from 1857. Most of the early ones were buried, as has been suggested, in the same grave as another burial which was at the same time. Some later ones (after 1927) are named and have their own burial. You say that the name QUINEY should be easy to find - but we have discovered a great many variants of names in the Burial Registers - so is it possible to search by date as well just in case there has been a slight error in the name? Regarding the name Lucy - she might not have that name in any register There is the death of a "female" KIMBREY which might be worth checking out except that there is a birth of a "male" KIMBREY in the same quarter! Nothing is simple where family history is concerned! Good Luck! Pat >> > > >From: "Pauline Roberts" >> > > >Reply-To: gloucester@rootsweb.com >> > > >To: >> > > >Subject: [GLS] Birth of Twins >> > > >Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 20:58:18 -0000 >> > > > >> > > >Hello all >> > > > >> > > >My grandmother was born in 1895, and all her life believed she was a >> > twin. >> > > >The other child, apparently a girl was called Lucy but died soon > after >> > > >birth. >> > > > >> > > >When I purchased my grandmother's birth certificate, there was no >> mention >> > > >of >> > > >a time, which I understood was the case when there was twins, so I >> > assumed >> > > >that there was only one child and the other child was a bit of a >> > > >fib. >> > > > >> > > >I have now spoken to the daughter of my grandmother's long lost >> brother, >> > > >and >> > > >she mentioned the fact that my gran was a twin. This leaves me >> > wondering. >> > > >There is neither a birth nor death registration for another child at >> the >> > > >same time as my grandmother, and no indication on the certificate. > Can >> > > >anyone advise if it is possible that no registration of birth or > death >> > > >could >> > > >have taken place if the child was born but died? >> > > > >> > > >To add to this, the name is an unusual one, and I have a complete > list >> of >> > > >all people buried at the cemetery nearby with the same name, some >> > > >are >> > > >babies, but none are called Lucy, and none coincide with the date of > my >> > > >grandmother's birth, not even slightly. >> > > > >> > > >I would appreciate any comments anyone would have, because I am a >> little >> > > >bit >> > > >flummoxed by this. >> > > > >> > > >Pauline

On the stillbirth thread. I was told by the retired Registrar in our town that people used to bury their stillborns in a corner of the Churchyard until as recently as the 1930s. I have no reason to doubt her. These babies wouldn't have been registered. If the grandmother was told she was a twin, I expect she was. Sometimes the records can't tell us all we'd like them to. Best Wishes, Jane > From: "Pauline Roberts" > Subject: [GLS] Birth of Twins >> Thank you to all who offered suggestions on this subject, most of which I > had tried seven years ago when I had discounted the 'myth'. > > The fact my grandmother's brother (whom she never knew after the age of > four) had told his daughter that he had twin sisters, is what has brought > the subject up once more. I can arrange for the baptism records to be > checked, no problem and I will telephone the Register Office today. > > As regards the cemetery I have done all that can be done, and I am assured > that there are no other entries under that name. > > Thank you all once again. > Pauline >

STOP sending emails off list.....pathetic ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Clark" <janeclark209@btinternet.com> To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 11:40 PM Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins - Charani > I should think not > > Grow up > > Jane :o) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charani" <familyhunter@family-hunter.co.uk> > To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 11:37 PM > Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > > > > Jane Clark wrote: > > > Yes you are actually, and can you not send different messages to my > personal > > > mail box. You are not building up her hopes, you're just putting down > > > everyone elses suggestions. As far as refraining from reading your > emails, > > > this is a mailing list, if you do not want people to see what you write, > > > then don't send honey! > > > > I'm not entering into a slanging match with you. > > > > Goodbye. > > > > -- > > Charani (UK) > > _____________________________________________ > > > > Browse the list archives at: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ > > Browse the list archives at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am a twin, with several other sets also being born within my various cousins. As a twin, I often heard the family lore of how twins "ran in the family", usually to every other generation. In fact, my mother and her sisters have always believed that their grandparents had "at least two, maybe three, sets of twins -- all of whom died at birth", all sets having at least one boy named "Alfred", and all born prior to them leaving England for the USA. My mother insists to this day that when she brought my twin sister and I home from the hospital in 1948, that my gr.grandfather stood by our crib with tears in his eyes and said, "I'm glad they made it", referring (at least in my mother's memory) to the sets of twins that he and his wife had lost. I've never been able to find any of these twins being born to my gr.grandparents in England in the BMD records. My gr.grandfather's 1949 obituary did not list any twins being born to him and my gr.grandmother. It did mention a daughter and son who preceded him in death, an important lead for me as I did not know for years that they existed. I have found the son, but not the daughter. Anyway, I thought I'd mention this as your twin thread reminded me of the twin myths in my own family. I use the pleural of "myths" because my cousin who is a twin disproved the "every other generation" myth by reproducing her very own set of twins! Jean

Judy Brown wrote: > Hi. > Where would one find the Stillbirths Register and how would you gain access > to it ? The Still Birth register is closed to all but the parents of the child and siblings where the parents are deceased. You'll find details here: <http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/stillbirths/> -- Charani (UK)

I should think not Grow up Jane :o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charani" <familyhunter@family-hunter.co.uk> To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 11:37 PM Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > Jane Clark wrote: > > Yes you are actually, and can you not send different messages to my personal > > mail box. You are not building up her hopes, you're just putting down > > everyone elses suggestions. As far as refraining from reading your emails, > > this is a mailing list, if you do not want people to see what you write, > > then don't send honey! > > I'm not entering into a slanging match with you. > > Goodbye. > > -- > Charani (UK) > _____________________________________________ > > Browse the list archives at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jane Clark wrote: > Yes you are actually, and can you not send different messages to my personal > mail box. You are not building up her hopes, you're just putting down > everyone elses suggestions. As far as refraining from reading your emails, > this is a mailing list, if you do not want people to see what you write, > then don't send honey! I'm not entering into a slanging match with you. Goodbye. -- Charani (UK)

Thank you for the responses re looking for the death of a newborn baby. I always understood that she was born alive and died within minutes of a heart condition from being a little premature, but perhaps she was registered as stillborn. As somebody else mentioned, it wasn't talked about much in those days. We ourselves lost a baby as well at less than a day old, but were issued with a birth certificate and a death certificate and also were able to claim him for income tax purposes. He was buried in a tiny corner of the churchyard reserved for stillborn/new babies. Pauline > All children born alive should be registered even if they die soon > after they drew their first breath. They don't have to have a name. > Most of the entries in the birth indices with Male or Female as the > name are children who've died soon after birth. > > If the child was actually still born, then the registration would be > in the Stillbirth register which is only open to the parents of the > child or the siblings where the parents are deceased. > -- > Charani (UK)

Yes you are actually, and can you not send different messages to my personal mail box. You are not building up her hopes, you're just putting down everyone elses suggestions. As far as refraining from reading your emails, this is a mailing list, if you do not want people to see what you write, then don't send honey! Jane :o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charani" <familyhunter@family-hunter.co.uk> To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 10:45 PM Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > Jane Clark wrote: > > I'm finding all your comments very negative and unhelpful to the lady in > > question, you seem to just be disagreeing with everyone else's suggestions, > > you may not mean it that way, but that's the way it seems. > > So be it > > I'm not "disagreeing with everyone else's suggestions", just trying to > be realistic as a result of 4 decades of research. There's nothing > worse that building up someone's hopes and for them to discover it's > all for nowt. > -- > Charani (UK) > _____________________________________________ > > Browse the list archives at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jane Clark wrote: > I'm finding all your comments very negative and unhelpful to the lady in > question, you seem to just be disagreeing with everyone else's suggestions, > you may not mean it that way, but that's the way it seems. So be it I'm not "disagreeing with everyone else's suggestions", just trying to be realistic as a result of 4 decades of research. There's nothing worse that building up someone's hopes and for them to discover it's all for nowt. -- Charani (UK)

All, I am interested in comparing notes with anyone researching this family surname on these mailing lists. Particularly I am keen to contact Derek Ive, if he is still an active participant on these lists. Regards Iain Gravestock

I'm finding all your comments very negative and unhelpful to the lady in question, you seem to just be disagreeing with everyone else's suggestions, you may not mean it that way, but that's the way it seems. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charani" <familyhunter@family-hunter.co.uk> To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > Pauline Roberts wrote: > > > In the first > > instance, even if a child is placed in another person's coffin, there has to > > be, by law, a note in the burial register. > > Not if the child is stillborn. It was the standard way of burying > such a child, even as late as the 1960s. > > > If the child was given away, > > there should have been registration, and that is the one I am going to have > > to pursue with vigour. There was not another child of the same age within > > the family, I have gone and re-checked my records today. > > Even if the child was fostered to another family, then, as you say, > there should have been a registration. If there is no record in the > local register office, then it's unlikely there was ever a twin. > > However, there is a remote possibility that the child was fostered at > birth by another family and registered by that family as their own. > Perhaps twins were more than the mother felt she could cope with and a > neighbour/friend/relative had lost their own baby so a solution > presented itself. If that did happen, then your chances of tracing > such the child will be nil because you could never be sure that a > child called Lucy with another family was the twin you are seeking. > > -- > Charani (UK) > _____________________________________________ > > Browse the list archives at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pauline Roberts wrote: > In the first > instance, even if a child is placed in another person's coffin, there has to > be, by law, a note in the burial register. Not if the child is stillborn. It was the standard way of burying such a child, even as late as the 1960s. > If the child was given away, > there should have been registration, and that is the one I am going to have > to pursue with vigour. There was not another child of the same age within > the family, I have gone and re-checked my records today. Even if the child was fostered to another family, then, as you say, there should have been a registration. If there is no record in the local register office, then it's unlikely there was ever a twin. However, there is a remote possibility that the child was fostered at birth by another family and registered by that family as their own. Perhaps twins were more than the mother felt she could cope with and a neighbour/friend/relative had lost their own baby so a solution presented itself. If that did happen, then your chances of tracing such the child will be nil because you could never be sure that a child called Lucy with another family was the twin you are seeking. -- Charani (UK)

Hi Judy I rang this morning but the person I needed to speak to was engaged, and I have not had time since. It is interesting you have a very similar story, my Nan said this child had died at birth, and I accepted that for years. There is no record of a burial - and as the name is Quiney - very easy to find in any register index. Seeing as my Nan's brother, about six years her elder, remembered twins, I am going to have to pursue it. I can imagine two things - one - that the child died, and two, that the child was 'given' away. In the first instance, even if a child is placed in another person's coffin, there has to be, by law, a note in the burial register. If the child was given away, there should have been registration, and that is the one I am going to have to pursue with vigour. There was not another child of the same age within the family, I have gone and re-checked my records today. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Evans" <judy.evans27@btinternet.com> To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > Hi Pauline, > Please let us know what they say to you at Cheltenham about the "deceased" twin. My Mom always said she was a twin and that the twin was dead or died at birth (August 1921). I tried phoning the local registrar but they just said it was too early for them (pre 1927) and I've checked the PR's and the GRO indexes but found nothing. My Mom's sister verified the claims but couldn't remember it happening, she just remembered being told. > Judy > > Pauline Roberts <secserve@wilnecote.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Mark > > I like a puzzle too, but I thought I had laid this to rest seven years ago. > > It was a home birth, and no hospitals in those days for maternity cases, so > nothing to look for there. I have searched the GRO, but not any > 'unknowns' - however, surely they would have been registered together? > > There is only one place for burial at that time in that area, and I have a > full print out of that name, which is a very uncommon one (Quiney), so it > was easy for the cemetery to do for me. > > I am going to call Cheltenham Register Office today because this is giving > me grey hair (or more of it I should say!). > > Regards > > Pauline > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mataylor@homestead92.fsnet.co.uk" > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 9:46 PM > Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > > > > Pauline > > > > Are there any Church records that might help? Christening is possible at > > birth. Was it a home birth or hospital if a difficult birth? If hospital > > maybe records. > > > > Is there a time delay between birth and registration? Maybe view either > side > > of your Grandmothers registration a bit further. > > > > On the indexes look for unknown at the end of the quarter. Whilst family > may > > have named her it might only have been after legal registration had taken > > place. > > > > Look further afield regarding burial. > > > > You might have thought of the above but I like a puzzle. > > > > Mark > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Pauline Roberts > > Sent: 11 February 2007 21:28 > > To: gloucester@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > > > > > > Hi Jenny > > > > Thank you. Does this mean that no time would have been put on my > > grandmother's birth then, seeing as the other child was still born? Does > > this not count? I might just telephone the register office concerned and > > see (as it was a typed certificate) if there was a time entered that was > > missed off the certificate. > > > > Regards > > > > Pauline > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "jenny buckley" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 8:56 PM > > Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > > > > > > > Hi Pauline, > > > > > > Yesterday I was reading the march issue of practical family > > > history and in one story it does mention twins, it could be that the > twin > > > was still born, and it states in the magazine that still births prior to > > > 1927 were not registered. hope this little bit is of help to you. > > > > > > jenny > > > > > > > > > >From: "Pauline Roberts" > > > >Reply-To: gloucester@rootsweb.com > > > >To: > > > >Subject: [GLS] Birth of Twins > > > >Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 20:58:18 -0000 > > > > > > > >Hello all > > > > > > > >My grandmother was born in 1895, and all her life believed she was a > > twin. > > > >The other child, apparently a girl was called Lucy but died soon after > > > >birth. > > > > > > > >When I purchased my grandmother's birth certificate, there was no > mention > > > >of > > > >a time, which I understood was the case when there was twins, so I > > assumed > > > >that there was only one child and the other child was a bit of a fib. > > > > > > > >I have now spoken to the daughter of my grandmother's long lost > brother, > > > >and > > > >she mentioned the fact that my gran was a twin. This leaves me > > wondering. > > > >There is neither a birth nor death registration for another child at > the > > > >same time as my grandmother, and no indication on the certificate. Can > > > >anyone advise if it is possible that no registration of birth or death > > > >could > > > >have taken place if the child was born but died? > > > > > > > >To add to this, the name is an unusual one, and I have a complete list > of > > > >all people buried at the cemetery nearby with the same name, some are > > > >babies, but none are called Lucy, and none coincide with the date of my > > > >grandmother's birth, not even slightly. > > > > > > > >I would appreciate any comments anyone would have, because I am a > little > > > >bit > > > >flummoxed by this. > > > > > > > >Pauline > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > > > > > > >Browse the list archives at: > > > >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > > > > > > >Keyword search - any or all lists: > > > >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > > > >------------------------------- > > > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > >GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > MSN Hotmail is evolving - check out the new Windows Live Mail > > > http://ideas.live.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > > > Browse the list archives at: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > Browse the list archives at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Thank you David, but this is the first thing I did check, the GRO indices, but found nothing. Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Jones" <davidjones5512@btinternet.com> To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > > Hi, > > You can check the BMD records at > http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/vital/freebmd/bmd.aspx > > Quite easy if you have the name and date. > > Regards > > > David > >

Thank you Liz I am hoping to visit the Archives later in the year - will look at directories also but will only have a couple of days there. We have other things to look at in different parts of the UK. Regards Jan -----Original Message----- From: gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Jack Sent: Monday, 12 February 2007 8:23 PM To: gloucester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GLS] John Beard Hi Jean I was under the impression that the GFHS Marriage Index was based on all the registers held at Gloucestershire Archives but their catalogue doesn't actually say it has the Olveston Quaker records - I will try to find out when I visit sometime during the week. Liz __________________________________ Hidden Heritage : www.gloster.demon.co.uk Researching : BLINKHORNE/BLENKARN/SOSBE GWINNETT/RANN PHILPOTT & PURDON only in Ireland > -----Original Message----- > From: Jan Daly [mailto:jdaly270@bigpond.net.au] > Sent: 11 February 2007 20:51 > To: gloucester@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GLS] John Beard > > Thank you Liz > > This looks like the breakthrough I have been looking for in relation to his > first marriage - I shall certainly follow it up. I understand that the > Quaker records are in the Gloucestershire Archives. > > Jan > > -----Original Message----- > From: gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Jack > Sent: Sunday, 11 February 2007 10:42 PM > To: gloucester@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GLS] John Beard > > Hi Jan > > According to the GFHS Marriage Index, John Beard married an Ann Lury on > 5th January 1825 at Olveston Quaker church. > > Liz > > __________________________________ > > Hidden Heritage : www.gloster.demon.co.uk > Researching : BLINKHORNE/BLENKARN/SOSBE > GWINNETT/RANN > PHILPOTT & PURDON only in Ireland > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jan Daly [mailto:jdaly270@bigpond.net.au] > > Sent: 11 February 2007 00:34 > > To: gloucester@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [GLS] John Beard > > > > Hi Listers, > > > > > > > > I am trying to find out more information about my great great > grandfather, > > John Beard. He was born in Gloucestershire in about 1798. He > arrived in > > Australia in 1838, after being convicted of fraud. He was sentenced > to > > transportation for life in the Summer Assizes at Gloucester in August > 1837. > > His indent papers show that he was married at that time, however, he > married > > again in December 1848. He is shown as a "widower" on the marriage > entry. > > The indent papers give his religion as Quaker and the conditional > pardon > > shows him as born in 1798. > > > > > > > > There is a report of the trial in "The Times" of 9 August 1837 which > states > > that the prisoner "had been a man of great respectability and property > in > > this city" and "had lately been a coal and timber merchant." I am > trying > > to find out more about John Beard's life in Glos before he was sent to > New > > South Wales such as his business dealings and his first wife. > > > > > > > > His parents are shown on his death certificate as Brice Beard and > Harriett > > Courner. I have some doubts about the accuracy of this information as > his > > widow, who was the informant was also called Harriett Courner. > > > > > > > > I have looked on "Scribe's Alcove" and IGI and found a John Beard born > on 4 > > April 1797 to Brice Beard and Sarah Lovelace. Although the father's > name > > is right, the mother's name and the year of birth don't fit with other > > information. > > > > > > > > I would be grateful for any ideas or assistance. My father tried to > find > > some information about the Quakers in Glos many years ago but without > > success. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Jan Daly > > > > Sydney NSW Australia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > Browse the list archives at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ Browse the list archives at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ Keyword search - any or all lists: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Andersons wrote: > Hi, > I have been very interested in this thread. I have been trying to trace a > baby born in September/October, 1947, who died a few minutes after she was > born. I cannot find any trace of her in either Births or Deaths. Perhaps > they don't register newborns like that as she didn't have a name. All children born alive should be registered even if they die soon after they drew their first breath. They don't have to have a name. Most of the entries in the birth indices with Male or Female as the name are children who've died soon after birth. If the child was actually still born, then the registration would be in the Stillbirth register which is only open to the parents of the child or the siblings where the parents are deceased. -- Charani (UK)

Could the surname have been misspelled, or mis-interpreted? Unlikely I know but maybe? Emma Monmouth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline Roberts" <secserve@wilnecote.fsbusiness.co.uk> To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > Hi Mark > > I like a puzzle too, but I thought I had laid this to rest seven years > ago. > > It was a home birth, and no hospitals in those days for maternity cases, > so > nothing to look for there. I have searched the GRO, but not any > 'unknowns' - however, surely they would have been registered together? > > There is only one place for burial at that time in that area, and I have a > full print out of that name, which is a very uncommon one (Quiney), so it > was easy for the cemetery to do for me. > > I am going to call Cheltenham Register Office today because this is giving > me grey hair (or more of it I should say!). > > Regards > > Pauline > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mataylor@homestead92.fsnet.co.uk" > <mataylor@homestead92.fsnet.co.uk> > To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 9:46 PM > Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins > > >> Pauline >> >> Are there any Church records that might help? Christening is possible at >> birth. Was it a home birth or hospital if a difficult birth? If hospital >> maybe records. >> >> Is there a time delay between birth and registration? Maybe view either > side >> of your Grandmothers registration a bit further. >> >> On the indexes look for unknown at the end of the quarter. Whilst family > may >> have named her it might only have been after legal registration had taken >> place. >> >> Look further afield regarding burial. >> >> You might have thought of the above but I like a puzzle. >> >> Mark >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Pauline Roberts >> Sent: 11 February 2007 21:28 >> To: gloucester@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins >> >> >> Hi Jenny >> >> Thank you. Does this mean that no time would have been put on my >> grandmother's birth then, seeing as the other child was still born? Does >> this not count? I might just telephone the register office concerned and >> see (as it was a typed certificate) if there was a time entered that was >> missed off the certificate. >> >> Regards >> >> Pauline >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "jenny buckley" <jenny_buckley@hotmail.com> >> To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 8:56 PM >> Subject: Re: [GLS] Birth of Twins >> >> >> > Hi Pauline, >> > >> > Yesterday I was reading the march issue of practical family >> > history and in one story it does mention twins, it could be that the > twin >> > was still born, and it states in the magazine that still births prior >> > to >> > 1927 were not registered. hope this little bit is of help to you. >> > >> > jenny >> > >> > >> > >From: "Pauline Roberts" <secserve@wilnecote.fsbusiness.co.uk> >> > >Reply-To: gloucester@rootsweb.com >> > >To: <GLOUCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> >> > >Subject: [GLS] Birth of Twins >> > >Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 20:58:18 -0000 >> > > >> > >Hello all >> > > >> > >My grandmother was born in 1895, and all her life believed she was a >> twin. >> > >The other child, apparently a girl was called Lucy but died soon after >> > >birth. >> > > >> > >When I purchased my grandmother's birth certificate, there was no > mention >> > >of >> > >a time, which I understood was the case when there was twins, so I >> assumed >> > >that there was only one child and the other child was a bit of a fib. >> > > >> > >I have now spoken to the daughter of my grandmother's long lost > brother, >> > >and >> > >she mentioned the fact that my gran was a twin. This leaves me >> wondering. >> > >There is neither a birth nor death registration for another child at > the >> > >same time as my grandmother, and no indication on the certificate. >> > >Can >> > >anyone advise if it is possible that no registration of birth or death >> > >could >> > >have taken place if the child was born but died? >> > > >> > >To add to this, the name is an unusual one, and I have a complete list > of >> > >all people buried at the cemetery nearby with the same name, some are >> > >babies, but none are called Lucy, and none coincide with the date of >> > >my >> > >grandmother's birth, not even slightly. >> > > >> > >I would appreciate any comments anyone would have, because I am a > little >> > >bit >> > >flummoxed by this. >> > > >> > >Pauline >> > > >> > > >> > > _____________________________________________ >> > > >> > >Browse the list archives at: >> > >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ >> > > >> > >Keyword search - any or all lists: >> > >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search >> > >------------------------------- >> > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > >GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> > >the >> > >quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > _________________________________________________________________ >> > MSN Hotmail is evolving – check out the new Windows Live Mail >> > http://ideas.live.com >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Browse the list archives at: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ >> >> Keyword search - any or all lists: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> > > > >

Debby I agree - it is a great break-through. I am going to the UK later in the year so should get some more information then if not before. Thank you Jan -----Original Message----- From: gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of derby2 Sent: Monday, 12 February 2007 4:33 PM To: gloucester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GLS] John Beard Jan, Very happy for you. This is wonderful, a name and date of the first wife. I was intrigued from the first and being an insatiable genealogist, I love to know how you go with this lead. Regards Debby -----Original Message----- From: gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Jan Daly Sent: Monday, 12 February 2007 7:51 AM To: gloucester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GLS] John Beard Thank you Liz This looks like the breakthrough I have been looking for in relation to his first marriage - I shall certainly follow it up. I understand that the Quaker records are in the Gloucestershire Archives. Jan -----Original Message----- From: gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:gloucester-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Jack Sent: Sunday, 11 February 2007 10:42 PM To: gloucester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GLS] John Beard Hi Jan According to the GFHS Marriage Index, John Beard married an Ann Lury on 5th January 1825 at Olveston Quaker church. Liz __________________________________ Hidden Heritage : www.gloster.demon.co.uk Researching : BLINKHORNE/BLENKARN/SOSBE GWINNETT/RANN PHILPOTT & PURDON only in Ireland > -----Original Message----- > From: Jan Daly [mailto:jdaly270@bigpond.net.au] > Sent: 11 February 2007 00:34 > To: gloucester@rootsweb.com > Subject: [GLS] John Beard > > Hi Listers, > > > > I am trying to find out more information about my great great grandfather, > John Beard. He was born in Gloucestershire in about 1798. He arrived in > Australia in 1838, after being convicted of fraud. He was sentenced to > transportation for life in the Summer Assizes at Gloucester in August 1837. > His indent papers show that he was married at that time, however, he married > again in December 1848. He is shown as a "widower" on the marriage entry. > The indent papers give his religion as Quaker and the conditional pardon > shows him as born in 1798. > > > > There is a report of the trial in "The Times" of 9 August 1837 which states > that the prisoner "had been a man of great respectability and property in > this city" and "had lately been a coal and timber merchant." I am trying > to find out more about John Beard's life in Glos before he was sent to New > South Wales such as his business dealings and his first wife. > > > > His parents are shown on his death certificate as Brice Beard and Harriett > Courner. I have some doubts about the accuracy of this information as his > widow, who was the informant was also called Harriett Courner. > > > > I have looked on "Scribe's Alcove" and IGI and found a John Beard born on 4 > April 1797 to Brice Beard and Sarah Lovelace. Although the father's name > is right, the mother's name and the year of birth don't fit with other > information. > > > > I would be grateful for any ideas or assistance. My father tried to find > some information about the Quakers in Glos many years ago but without > success. > > > > Regards > > > > Jan Daly > > Sydney NSW Australia > > > > > _____________________________________________ Browse the list archives at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ Keyword search - any or all lists: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ Browse the list archives at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ Keyword search - any or all lists: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ Browse the list archives at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ Keyword search - any or all lists: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

She may be registered in the stillbirths register, which is not generally available. There is access only for the parents. HTH Anne On 12 Feb 2007, at 19:32, The Andersons wrote: > Hi, > I have been very interested in this thread. I have been trying to > trace a > baby born in September/October, 1947, who died a few minutes after she > was > born. I cannot find any trace of her in either Births or Deaths. > Perhaps > they don't register newborns like that as she didn't have a name. > Pauline > >