Thank you very much for the suggestions Lynne and Pauline. I'll try the Record Office first as even one year will probably do as the family stayed put for a long time. If they don't have time I'll see if anyone else is able to help. Joyce Robertson >From: "Pauline Roberts" <secserve@wilnecote.fsbusiness.co.uk> >Reply-To: gloucester@rootsweb.com >To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> >Subject: Re: [GLS] BUYING vs RENTING >Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 18:20:22 +0100 > >Joyce > >Lynne has already suggested the Poor Rates, but when I have had to do the >same in Birmingham, it has been the ordinary Rates books, that I have used. > >Pauline > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Joyce Robertson" <joyisorob@hotmail.com> >To: <Gloucester@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 12:10 PM >Subject: [GLS] BUYING vs RENTING > > > > Hi List > > > > I have just returned to this list after a long period away. My BALLINGER > > and > > BROWNING ancestors lived in Cheltenham from at least 1800 and I am > > gradually > > filling in the gaps. At the moment I am trying to find whether my > > BALLINGER > > family were renting a house between 1866 and c.1900 or whether they >owned > > it. They lived in Elm Place which I believe is just off Swindon Road and > > by > > 1901 they were in Elm Cottage which was actually on Swindon Road. I do > > have > > documentation from Gloucester Record Office to show they bought a house >in > > St Paul's Road North in October 1907. I can't easily get to Cheltenham >so > > would be grateful if anyone were able to help me with this. > > > > Joyce Robertson (Kirkintilloch, Scotland) > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get Hotmail, News, Sport and Entertainment from MSN on your mobile. > > http://www.msn.txt4content.com/ > > > > _____________________________________________ > > > > Browse the list archives at: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/759 - Release Date: >12/04/2007 > > 19:58 > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > >Browse the list archives at: >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > >Keyword search - any or all lists: >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Match.com - Click Here To Find Singles In Your Area Today! http://msnuk.match.com/

Haven't seen a reply to this one. The piece numbers for Berkeley are as follows: 1841 HO107/347 1851 HO107/1957 1861 RG 9/1749 1871 RG 10/2589 1881 RG 11/2517 1891 RG 12/2000 1901 RG 13/2413 Which year were you looking for? Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "helenlinklater" <helenlinklater@mail.optusnet.com.au> To: <GLOUCESTER@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 9:47 AM Subject: [GLS] Bastin, Berkeley > Why can't I get much census info for Berkeley? > Helen, Australia > _____________________________________________ > > Browse the list archives at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Joyce Lynne has already suggested the Poor Rates, but when I have had to do the same in Birmingham, it has been the ordinary Rates books, that I have used. Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Robertson" <joyisorob@hotmail.com> To: <Gloucester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 12:10 PM Subject: [GLS] BUYING vs RENTING > Hi List > > I have just returned to this list after a long period away. My BALLINGER > and > BROWNING ancestors lived in Cheltenham from at least 1800 and I am > gradually > filling in the gaps. At the moment I am trying to find whether my > BALLINGER > family were renting a house between 1866 and c.1900 or whether they owned > it. They lived in Elm Place which I believe is just off Swindon Road and > by > 1901 they were in Elm Cottage which was actually on Swindon Road. I do > have > documentation from Gloucester Record Office to show they bought a house in > St Paul's Road North in October 1907. I can't easily get to Cheltenham so > would be grateful if anyone were able to help me with this. > > Joyce Robertson (Kirkintilloch, Scotland) > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get Hotmail, News, Sport and Entertainment from MSN on your mobile. > http://www.msn.txt4content.com/ > > _____________________________________________ > > Browse the list archives at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/759 - Release Date: 12/04/2007 > 19:58 > >

Hi Joyce One way of finding this out is through the Poor Rates. The ones for Tetbury in 1860 list the owner and occupier of the house, so other parishes will do the same as the books were standard format I think. These are held at Gloucester Archives but whether they would have time to do the research for you is doubtful. Maybe some other kind lister would have a chance to inspect them for you! Hope this helps. Lynne Joyce Robertson wrote: > Hi List > > I have just returned to this list after a long period away. My BALLINGER and > BROWNING ancestors lived in Cheltenham from at least 1800 and I am gradually > filling in the gaps. At the moment I am trying to find whether my BALLINGER > family were renting a house between 1866 and c.1900 or whether they owned > it. They lived in Elm Place which I believe is just off Swindon Road and by > 1901 they were in Elm Cottage which was actually on Swindon Road. I do have > documentation from Gloucester Record Office to show they bought a house in > St Paul's Road North in October 1907. I can't easily get to Cheltenham so > would be grateful if anyone were able to help me with this. > > Joyce Robertson (Kirkintilloch, Scotland) > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get Hotmail, News, Sport and Entertainment from MSN on your mobile. > http://www.msn.txt4content.com/ > > _____________________________________________ > > Browse the list archives at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Pat, Death certificates do not seem to have a huge amount of info on them but do you have her marriage cert? It usually names the father at least, as well as his occupation. Cheers, Maureen. ---- Pat Wade <pmwade@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > Hi all, > > > > How can I verify if I have the right baptism for > my Mary Ann SKINNER?? > > > > I have located an entry - Birth 22 September 1810 > and Christening 13th January 1811 at St James' > Bristol, Gloucester. With parents James Skinner > and Frances. > > > > Mary Ann SKINNER married William PELLING on the > 19th June 1832 Bedminster Bristol, Somerset. They > had 12 children and child 1 named Louisa Skinner, > No 9 names James Skinner and No 11 Fanny Skinner. > > > > Wondering if she had a sister Louisa Skinner and > No 9 and No 11 are after her parents. They did > not appear to go by naming pattern at all. > > > > So in order - > > No 1 - Louisa Skinner - could be after a sister of > mother > > No 2 - William Herbert - probably after father > > No 3 - Robert - ???? > > No 4 - Dearing - after brother or grandfather of > father > > No 5 - Edwin - maybe a variant of Edward which is > brother of father > > No 6 - Edwin Albert - do > > No 7 - Mary - after mother > > No 8 - Emma Catherine - may be after father's > mother > > No 9 - James Skinner - is this after father of > mother > > No 10 - Joseph - ??????? > > No 11 - Fanny Skinner - is this after mother's > mother > > No 12 - George Alfred - ??????? > > > > I have the 1841 and 1851 census but no luck with > her parents living with them! Mary died in child > birth in 1854. Does the death certificate have > her parents names?? > > > > Any advice???? Thank you. > > > > Regards, > > Pat Wade (Nee King) > > > > _____________________________________________ > > Browse the list archives at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all, How can I verify if I have the right baptism for my Mary Ann SKINNER?? I have located an entry - Birth 22 September 1810 and Christening 13th January 1811 at St James' Bristol, Gloucester. With parents James Skinner and Frances. Mary Ann SKINNER married William PELLING on the 19th June 1832 Bedminster Bristol, Somerset. They had 12 children and child 1 named Louisa Skinner, No 9 names James Skinner and No 11 Fanny Skinner. Wondering if she had a sister Louisa Skinner and No 9 and No 11 are after her parents. They did not appear to go by naming pattern at all. So in order - No 1 - Louisa Skinner - could be after a sister of mother No 2 - William Herbert - probably after father No 3 - Robert - ???? No 4 - Dearing - after brother or grandfather of father No 5 - Edwin - maybe a variant of Edward which is brother of father No 6 - Edwin Albert - do No 7 - Mary - after mother No 8 - Emma Catherine - may be after father's mother No 9 - James Skinner - is this after father of mother No 10 - Joseph - ??????? No 11 - Fanny Skinner - is this after mother's mother No 12 - George Alfred - ??????? I have the 1841 and 1851 census but no luck with her parents living with them! Mary died in child birth in 1854. Does the death certificate have her parents names?? Any advice???? Thank you. Regards, Pat Wade (Nee King)

Hi List I have just returned to this list after a long period away. My BALLINGER and BROWNING ancestors lived in Cheltenham from at least 1800 and I am gradually filling in the gaps. At the moment I am trying to find whether my BALLINGER family were renting a house between 1866 and c.1900 or whether they owned it. They lived in Elm Place which I believe is just off Swindon Road and by 1901 they were in Elm Cottage which was actually on Swindon Road. I do have documentation from Gloucester Record Office to show they bought a house in St Paul's Road North in October 1907. I can't easily get to Cheltenham so would be grateful if anyone were able to help me with this. Joyce Robertson (Kirkintilloch, Scotland) _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail, News, Sport and Entertainment from MSN on your mobile. http://www.msn.txt4content.com/

Pat, Have you looked at the actual parish register record of the marriage. If you are lucky it might give you some extra details or clues. As the marriage is pre-registration it is going to prove more difficult to find her parents. What about monumental inscriptions - sometimes you can strike lucky there. Is the marriage likely to have appeared in any newspapers of the area?? Was the marriage by licence and if so has that survived at the local Record Office?? Good luck. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Wade" <pmwade@optusnet.com.au> To: <GLOUCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 3:09 AM Subject: [GLS] SKINNER > Hi all, > > > > How can I verify if I have the right baptism for > my Mary Ann SKINNER?? > > > > I have located an entry - Birth 22 September 1810 > and Christening 13th January 1811 at St James' > Bristol, Gloucester. With parents James Skinner > and Frances. > > > > Mary Ann SKINNER married William PELLING on the > 19th June 1832 Bedminster Bristol, Somerset. They > had 12 children and child 1 named Louisa Skinner, > No 9 names James Skinner and No 11 Fanny Skinner. > > > > Wondering if she had a sister Louisa Skinner and > No 9 and No 11 are after her parents. They did > not appear to go by naming pattern at all. > > > > So in order - > > No 1 - Louisa Skinner - could be after a sister of > mother > > No 2 - William Herbert - probably after father > > No 3 - Robert - ???? > > No 4 - Dearing - after brother or grandfather of > father > > No 5 - Edwin - maybe a variant of Edward which is > brother of father > > No 6 - Edwin Albert - do > > No 7 - Mary - after mother > > No 8 - Emma Catherine - may be after father's > mother > > No 9 - James Skinner - is this after father of > mother > > No 10 - Joseph - ??????? > > No 11 - Fanny Skinner - is this after mother's > mother > > No 12 - George Alfred - ??????? > > > > I have the 1841 and 1851 census but no luck with > her parents living with them! Mary died in child > birth in 1854. Does the death certificate have > her parents names?? > > > > Any advice???? Thank you. > > > > Regards, > > Pat Wade (Nee King) > > > > _____________________________________________ > > Browse the list archives at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/760 - Release Date: 13/04/2007 > 20:04 > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 10556 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

Why can't I get much census info for Berkeley? Helen, Australia

Hi again Louise, Thought you might like to have the 1901 transcription of John Sims and family from Mangotsfield. We was a widower by this stage and there are a few more children. Cheers Dallas 1901 England Census about John Sims Name: John Sims Age: 63 Estimated birth year: abt 1838 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Littleton West, Gloucestershire, England Civil parish: Mangotsfield Ecclesiastical parish: Downend Christchurch County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Registration district: Keynsham Sub-registration district: Kingswood ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 114 Household Members: Name Age Bertie Sims 7 Harvey Sims 9 John Sims 63 Kate Sims 15 Sarah A Sims 11 -----Original Message----- From: Dallas Window [mailto:d.window@cqu.edu.au] Sent: Thursday, 12 April 2007 8:59 AM To: gloucester@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GLS] Williams Henry SIMS (b.~1875, Mangotsfield) Hi Louise, In the 1881 census that you found John with son William SIMS, John's wife (and presumably William's mother) was Martha and there were other children Samuel aged 18, John aged 16, Sarah aged 12, Clara aged 7. Martha is listed as being born Bruton Somerset. In 1891, I found a Martha SIMS with children Samuel aged 27, Clara aged 17 and William aged 15. Martha is a widow and born Bruton Somerset. William is a Coal miner born Monmouthshire. They are living in Hengoed Glamorgan. So this would appear to be the same family in both censuses. I also found this family in 1871 living in Somerset which ties in with some of the children's birthplaces. Transcriptions of 1871, 1881 and 1791 appear below. This is a possible death of John SIMS in 1881 Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page Deaths Jun 1888 SIMS John 63 Bedwelty 11a 80 As far as finding the John Hendy SIMMS and family in 1881, I found them transcribed as - wait for it - BOBB !!! The transcriptions for 1881 and 1891 also appear below. There is no doubt it is the same family. Hope this helps. Let me know if you would like census images. Cheers Dallas 1871 England Census about Martha Sims Name: Martha Sims Age: 35 Estimated birth year: abt 1836 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: John Gender: Female Where born: Bruton, Somerset, England Civil parish: Somerton Ecclesiastical parish: Bath and Wells Town: Somerton County/Island: Somerset Country: England Registration district: Langport Sub-registration district: Somerton ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 99 Household Members: Name Age Dae Buby 1 month Emley Sims 4 John Sims 47 John Sims 5 Martha Sims 35 Martha Sims 9 Samuel Sims 7 Sarah Sims 2 1891 Wales Census about William Sims Name: William Sims Age: 15 Estimated birth year: abt 1876 Relation: Son Mother's name: Martha Gender: Male Where born: Kenr Bchis, Monmouthshire, Wales Civil parish: Gelligaer Ecclesiastical parish: Gelligaer Town: Hengoed County/Island: Glamorgan Country: Wales Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil Sub-registration district: Gelligaer ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Clara Sims 17 Martha Sims 54 Samuel Sims 27 William Sims 15 Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 4432; Folio 129; Page 10; GSU roll: 6099542. THE BOBB FAMILY in 1881 1881 England Census about Alice Bobb Name: Alice Bobb Age: 2 Estimated birth year: abt 1879 Relation: Daughter Father's name: John Mother's name: Mary Gender: Female Where born: Mangotsfield, Gloucestershire, England Civil parish: Bitton - Oldland County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Street address: Upper Soundwell Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Keynsham Sub-registration district: Oldland ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Alice Bobb 2 David Bobb 7 George Bobb 1 John Bobb 39 Mary Bobb 29 Mary Bobb 4 William Bobb 5 THE SIMMS family in 1891 1891 England Census about Alice Sims Name: Alice Sims Age: 13 Estimated birth year: abt 1878 Relation: Daughter Father's name: John Hendy Mother's name: Mary Ann Gender: Female Where born: Mangotsfield, Gloucestershire, England Civil parish: Mangotsfield Ecclesiastical parish: St James Town: Mangotsfield County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Keynsham Sub-registration district: Oldland ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Alice Sims 13 David John Sims 18 Fred Sims 7 George Sims 11 Henry Sims 4 John Hendy Sims 49 Kate Sims 6 Mary Ann Sims 38 Mary Ann Sims 14 Sarah Ann Sims 2 Sydney Sims 9 William Henry Sims 15 -----Original Message----- From: Louise Dennis [mailto:lad@csc.liv.ac.uk] Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2007 8:08 PM To: GLOUCESTER@rootsweb.com Subject: [GLS] Williams Henry SIMS (b.~1875, Mangotsfield) Dear All I'm trying to track down my great-grandfather, Williams Henry SIMS. He was married in Llanhilith, Monmouthshire on the 11th August 1902 to Emily Susan Monks CORDY and gives his father's name as John and his age as 27. I'm having trouble tracing William any further back than this. According to family legend Emily and William had met when younger and William had an additional middle name: William Henry Edny SIMS Emily was born in Fishponds, Gloucestershire, and the CORDY family have been pretty well-documented in the Fishponds/Mangotsfield/Stapleton area for generations by Adrian Sheppard (fh.sheppardfamily.us). I have found a William Sims (father John) of the right age in the 1881 Census in Mynyddylwyn, Monmouthshire. But I'm more interested (from the point of view of this list at least) in a William Henry Sims (father either John Henry or John Hendy Sims) in the 1891 Census at Mangotsfield, also born in Mangotsfield. Although I can find the family in other census' I can't seem to find William Henry, nor can I find the registration of his birth (For reference: Q1 1875 Clifton 6a 174 (father William Henry), Q1 1873 Cheltenham 1873 6a 441, Q1 1874 Monmouth 11a 19, Q3 1878 Barton Regis 6a 151 (father not John according to the GRO)). I'm wondering if there is SKS on this list who might have access to the Mangotsfield Parish Registers for the right period who could check for a baptism. ... and also if there is someone with, perhaps, a better knack for searching who can find William Henry in other census' I've contacted (through Genes Reunited) someone descended from a cousin of John Hendy Sims and their family moved to Llanhilith following work (which is encouraging) but they don't know anything about my William Henry. Hendy is a family name on their side which might account for the strange "Edny" of my family legend. Many thanks for any help with this brick wall! Louise _____________________________________________ Browse the list archives at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ Keyword search - any or all lists: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ Browse the list archives at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ Keyword search - any or all lists: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear List Thank you all for your help with William SIMS - those of you who have replied both on and off list. Not only have people dug up several more census pages for me, but I've had useful advise about who to chase next wrt. birth certificates and some handy hints about surnames. I must say though that the most impressive piece of help has to be Dallas and the BOBB family!!! Best, Louise

Hi Louise, In the 1881 census that you found John with son William SIMS, John's wife (and presumably William's mother) was Martha and there were other children Samuel aged 18, John aged 16, Sarah aged 12, Clara aged 7. Martha is listed as being born Bruton Somerset. In 1891, I found a Martha SIMS with children Samuel aged 27, Clara aged 17 and William aged 15. Martha is a widow and born Bruton Somerset. William is a Coal miner born Monmouthshire. They are living in Hengoed Glamorgan. So this would appear to be the same family in both censuses. I also found this family in 1871 living in Somerset which ties in with some of the children's birthplaces. Transcriptions of 1871, 1881 and 1791 appear below. This is a possible death of John SIMS in 1881 Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page Deaths Jun 1888 SIMS John 63 Bedwelty 11a 80 As far as finding the John Hendy SIMMS and family in 1881, I found them transcribed as - wait for it - BOBB !!! The transcriptions for 1881 and 1891 also appear below. There is no doubt it is the same family. Hope this helps. Let me know if you would like census images. Cheers Dallas 1871 England Census about Martha Sims Name: Martha Sims Age: 35 Estimated birth year: abt 1836 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: John Gender: Female Where born: Bruton, Somerset, England Civil parish: Somerton Ecclesiastical parish: Bath and Wells Town: Somerton County/Island: Somerset Country: England Registration district: Langport Sub-registration district: Somerton ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 99 Household Members: Name Age Dae Buby 1 month Emley Sims 4 John Sims 47 John Sims 5 Martha Sims 35 Martha Sims 9 Samuel Sims 7 Sarah Sims 2 1891 Wales Census about William Sims Name: William Sims Age: 15 Estimated birth year: abt 1876 Relation: Son Mother's name: Martha Gender: Male Where born: Kenr Bchis, Monmouthshire, Wales Civil parish: Gelligaer Ecclesiastical parish: Gelligaer Town: Hengoed County/Island: Glamorgan Country: Wales Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil Sub-registration district: Gelligaer ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Clara Sims 17 Martha Sims 54 Samuel Sims 27 William Sims 15 Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 4432; Folio 129; Page 10; GSU roll: 6099542. THE BOBB FAMILY in 1881 1881 England Census about Alice Bobb Name: Alice Bobb Age: 2 Estimated birth year: abt 1879 Relation: Daughter Father's name: John Mother's name: Mary Gender: Female Where born: Mangotsfield, Gloucestershire, England Civil parish: Bitton - Oldland County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Street address: Upper Soundwell Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Keynsham Sub-registration district: Oldland ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Alice Bobb 2 David Bobb 7 George Bobb 1 John Bobb 39 Mary Bobb 29 Mary Bobb 4 William Bobb 5 THE SIMMS family in 1891 1891 England Census about Alice Sims Name: Alice Sims Age: 13 Estimated birth year: abt 1878 Relation: Daughter Father's name: John Hendy Mother's name: Mary Ann Gender: Female Where born: Mangotsfield, Gloucestershire, England Civil parish: Mangotsfield Ecclesiastical parish: St James Town: Mangotsfield County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Keynsham Sub-registration district: Oldland ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Alice Sims 13 David John Sims 18 Fred Sims 7 George Sims 11 Henry Sims 4 John Hendy Sims 49 Kate Sims 6 Mary Ann Sims 38 Mary Ann Sims 14 Sarah Ann Sims 2 Sydney Sims 9 William Henry Sims 15 -----Original Message----- From: Louise Dennis [mailto:lad@csc.liv.ac.uk] Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2007 8:08 PM To: GLOUCESTER@rootsweb.com Subject: [GLS] Williams Henry SIMS (b.~1875, Mangotsfield) Dear All I'm trying to track down my great-grandfather, Williams Henry SIMS. He was married in Llanhilith, Monmouthshire on the 11th August 1902 to Emily Susan Monks CORDY and gives his father's name as John and his age as 27. I'm having trouble tracing William any further back than this. According to family legend Emily and William had met when younger and William had an additional middle name: William Henry Edny SIMS Emily was born in Fishponds, Gloucestershire, and the CORDY family have been pretty well-documented in the Fishponds/Mangotsfield/Stapleton area for generations by Adrian Sheppard (fh.sheppardfamily.us). I have found a William Sims (father John) of the right age in the 1881 Census in Mynyddylwyn, Monmouthshire. But I'm more interested (from the point of view of this list at least) in a William Henry Sims (father either John Henry or John Hendy Sims) in the 1891 Census at Mangotsfield, also born in Mangotsfield. Although I can find the family in other census' I can't seem to find William Henry, nor can I find the registration of his birth (For reference: Q1 1875 Clifton 6a 174 (father William Henry), Q1 1873 Cheltenham 1873 6a 441, Q1 1874 Monmouth 11a 19, Q3 1878 Barton Regis 6a 151 (father not John according to the GRO)). I'm wondering if there is SKS on this list who might have access to the Mangotsfield Parish Registers for the right period who could check for a baptism. ... and also if there is someone with, perhaps, a better knack for searching who can find William Henry in other census' I've contacted (through Genes Reunited) someone descended from a cousin of John Hendy Sims and their family moved to Llanhilith following work (which is encouraging) but they don't know anything about my William Henry. Hendy is a family name on their side which might account for the strange "Edny" of my family legend. Many thanks for any help with this brick wall! 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Congratulations Dallas on finding the SIMMS entered as BOBB by the enumerator - an excellent piece of detective work on your part! Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dallas Window" <d.window@cqu.edu.au> To: <gloucester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:59 PM Subject: Re: [GLS] Williams Henry SIMS (b.~1875, Mangotsfield) > Hi Louise, > > As far as finding the John Hendy SIMMS and family in 1881, I found them > transcribed as - wait for it - BOBB !!! The transcriptions for 1881 and > 1891 also appear below. There is no doubt it is the same family. > > Hope this helps. Let me know if you would like census images. > > Cheers > Dallas > THE BOBB FAMILY in 1881 > > 1881 England Census > about Alice Bobb > Name: Alice Bobb > Age: 2 > Estimated birth year: abt 1879 > Relation: Daughter > Father's name: John > Mother's name: Mary > Gender: Female > Where born: Mangotsfield, Gloucestershire, England > > Civil parish: Bitton - Oldland > County/Island: Gloucestershire > Country: England > > Street address: Upper Soundwell > Education: > > Employment status: View image > > Registration district: Keynsham > Sub-registration district: Oldland > ED, institution, or vessel: 8 > Neighbors: View others on page > Household Members: Name Age > Alice Bobb 2 > David Bobb 7 > George Bobb 1 > John Bobb 39 > Mary Bobb 29 > Mary Bobb 4 > William Bobb 5 > > > > THE SIMMS family in 1891 > > 1891 England Census > about Alice Sims > Name: Alice Sims > Age: 13 > Estimated birth year: abt 1878 > Relation: Daughter > Father's name: John Hendy > Mother's name: Mary Ann > Gender: Female > Where born: Mangotsfield, Gloucestershire, England > > Civil parish: Mangotsfield > Ecclesiastical parish: St James > Town: Mangotsfield > County/Island: Gloucestershire > Country: England > > Street address: > > Occupation: > > Condition as to marriage: > > Education: > > Employment status: View image > > Registration district: Keynsham > Sub-registration district: Oldland > ED, institution, or vessel: 5 > Neighbors: View others on page > Household Members: Name Age > Alice Sims 13 > David John Sims 18 > Fred Sims 7 > George Sims 11 > Henry Sims 4 > John Hendy Sims 49 > Kate Sims 6 > Mary Ann Sims 38 > Mary Ann Sims 14 > Sarah Ann Sims 2 > Sydney Sims 9 > William Henry Sims 15 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Louise Dennis [mailto:lad@csc.liv.ac.uk] > Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2007 8:08 PM > To: GLOUCESTER@rootsweb.com > Subject: [GLS] Williams Henry SIMS (b.~1875, Mangotsfield) > > Dear All > > I'm trying to track down my great-grandfather, Williams Henry SIMS. > > He was married in Llanhilith, Monmouthshire on the 11th August 1902 to > Emily Susan Monks CORDY and gives his father's name as John and his age > as 27. > > I'm having trouble tracing William any further back than this. > > According to family legend Emily and William had met when younger and > William had an additional middle name: William Henry Edny SIMS > > Emily was born in Fishponds, Gloucestershire, and the CORDY family have > been pretty well-documented in the Fishponds/Mangotsfield/Stapleton area > for generations by Adrian Sheppard (fh.sheppardfamily.us). > > I have found a William Sims (father John) of the right age in the 1881 > Census in Mynyddylwyn, Monmouthshire. > > But I'm more interested (from the point of view of this list at least) > in a William Henry Sims (father either John Henry or John Hendy Sims) in > the 1891 Census at Mangotsfield, also born in Mangotsfield. Although I > can find the family in other census' I can't seem to find William Henry, > nor can I find the registration of his birth (For reference: Q1 1875 > Clifton 6a 174 (father William Henry), Q1 1873 Cheltenham 1873 6a 441, > Q1 1874 Monmouth 11a 19, Q3 1878 Barton Regis 6a 151 (father not John > according to the GRO)). > > I'm wondering if there is SKS on this list who might have access to the > Mangotsfield Parish Registers for the right period who could check for a > baptism. > > ... and also if there is someone with, perhaps, a better knack for > searching who can find William Henry in other census' > > I've contacted (through Genes Reunited) someone descended from a cousin > of John Hendy Sims and their family moved to Llanhilith following work > (which is encouraging) but they don't know anything about my William > Henry. Hendy is a family name on their side which might account for the > strange "Edny" of my family legend. > > Many thanks for any help with this brick wall! > Louise > > _____________________________________________ > > Browse the list archives at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ > > Browse the list archives at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Louise, The 1891 census of Mangotsfield certainly looks a possibility with the father's name clearly given as John Hendy SIMS If the census information is correct you would be looking at a birth registered in the Keynsham Registration District. The records for the Keynsham District have been distributed between Bath, South Gloucestershire or Bristol Register Offices. I think (but am not sure) that Mangotsfield records would be in South Gloucestershire so it might be worth contacting the Register Office, Poole Court, Poole Court Drive, Yate, BS37 5PT. Tel: 01454 863140. to ask whether he can be found in their indexes. He just might have been omitted for the GRO index. You say you've found this family in other censuses - where were they in 1881? Best wishes Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louise Dennis" <lad@csc.liv.ac.uk> To: <GLOUCESTER@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:07 AM Subject: [GLS] Williams Henry SIMS (b.~1875, Mangotsfield) > Dear All > > I'm trying to track down my great-grandfather, Williams Henry SIMS. > > He was married in Llanhilith, Monmouthshire on the 11th August 1902 to > Emily Susan Monks CORDY and gives his father's name as John and his age > as 27. > > But I'm more interested (from the point of view of this list at least) > in a William Henry Sims (father either John Henry or John Hendy Sims) in > the 1891 Census at Mangotsfield, also born in Mangotsfield. Although I > can find the family in other census' I can't seem to find William Henry, > nor can I find the registration of his birth (For reference: Q1 1875 > Clifton 6a 174 (father William Henry), Q1 1873 Cheltenham 1873 6a 441, > Q1 1874 Monmouth 11a 19, Q3 1878 Barton Regis 6a 151 (father not John > according to the GRO)). >

Dear All I'm trying to track down my great-grandfather, Williams Henry SIMS. He was married in Llanhilith, Monmouthshire on the 11th August 1902 to Emily Susan Monks CORDY and gives his father's name as John and his age as 27. I'm having trouble tracing William any further back than this. According to family legend Emily and William had met when younger and William had an additional middle name: William Henry Edny SIMS Emily was born in Fishponds, Gloucestershire, and the CORDY family have been pretty well-documented in the Fishponds/Mangotsfield/Stapleton area for generations by Adrian Sheppard (fh.sheppardfamily.us). I have found a William Sims (father John) of the right age in the 1881 Census in Mynyddylwyn, Monmouthshire. But I'm more interested (from the point of view of this list at least) in a William Henry Sims (father either John Henry or John Hendy Sims) in the 1891 Census at Mangotsfield, also born in Mangotsfield. Although I can find the family in other census' I can't seem to find William Henry, nor can I find the registration of his birth (For reference: Q1 1875 Clifton 6a 174 (father William Henry), Q1 1873 Cheltenham 1873 6a 441, Q1 1874 Monmouth 11a 19, Q3 1878 Barton Regis 6a 151 (father not John according to the GRO)). I'm wondering if there is SKS on this list who might have access to the Mangotsfield Parish Registers for the right period who could check for a baptism. ... and also if there is someone with, perhaps, a better knack for searching who can find William Henry in other census' I've contacted (through Genes Reunited) someone descended from a cousin of John Hendy Sims and their family moved to Llanhilith following work (which is encouraging) but they don't know anything about my William Henry. Hendy is a family name on their side which might account for the strange "Edny" of my family legend. Many thanks for any help with this brick wall! Louise

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Hello Margaret Thank you for all of that. Regards Paul ======================================== Message Received: Apr 09 2007, 10:24 PM From: "Margaret J. Muntz" To: gloucester@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: Re: [GLS] CHARLOTTE HAYWARD - Down Ampney Paul It looks as if this is Charlotte in 1841 census but with the ages and no relationships in 41 census. Could James be an older brother with wife and child, and 2 of James's sister Charlotte and Ann. Working on this assumption the IGI have James' christening in 1809 to a Stephen and Elizth. (Elizabeth) There is also another children to them Elizabeth ch 1811, Joseph 1807 all at Down Ampney 41 census Name Sex Age Profession/Occupation Where Born Original census image -------------------------------------------------------------------------- HAYWARD, James M 30 Gloucestershire VIEW HAYWARD, Maria F 20 Gloucestershire VIEW HAYWARD, Charlotte F 13 Gloucestershire VIEW HAYWARD, Ann F 10 Gloucestershire VIEW HAYWARD, Stephen M 1 Gloucestershire VIEW -------------------------------------------------------------------- RG number: HO107 Piece: 354 Folio: 10 Page: 15 Registration District: Cirencester Sub District: Fairford EnumerationDistrict: Ecclesiastical Parish: Civil Parish: Down Ampney Municipal Borough: Address: Down Ampney, Down Ampney Another senario could be that Maria is not James's wife but another sibling and Stephen is hers or a nephew. Sorry I do not have the 51 census to follow these possibilities. But looks like child named after his grandfather! Oddly Stephen and Elizabeth are still alive living in Down Anpmey Census -------------------------------------------------------------------- HAYWARD, Stephen M 52 Gloucestershire VIEW HAYWARD, Elizabeth F 50 Gloucestershire VIEW -------------------------------------------------------------- RG number: HO107 Piece: 354 Folio: 11 Page: 16 Registration District: Cirencester Sub District: Fairford EnumerationDistrict: Ecclesiastical Parish: Civil Parish: Down Ampney Municipal Borough: Address: Down Ampney, Down Ampney Sorry this does not prove Charlottes' parents but hope it gives you something to progress from. There is an outside chance that James is her father and maria is a second wife. Regards Marg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Hansford" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 11:52 PM Subject: [GLS] CHARLOTTE HAYWARD - Down Ampney > Dear All > Could anyone help me find the parents of Charlotte Hayward born about 1828 > in Down Ampney please. > Charlotte married Joseph Messenger of Latton in 1849. > Thank you. > Regards > Paul > _____________________________________________ > > Browse the list archives at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ Browse the list archives at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ Keyword search - any or all lists: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Janet Thank you so much for all of that. Regards Paul ======================================== Message Received: Apr 10 2007, 09:07 AM From: "Janet Booth" To: gloucester@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: Re: [GLS] CHARLOTTE HAYWARD - Down Ampney And this looks like James and family in the 1851 and 61 census records of Down Ampney: HO107/1968, folio 589, pages 4/5 James HAYWARD Head Mar 42 Sawyer Gloshre Down Ampney Maria do Wife Mar 33 do do Stephen do Son 10 Ag Lab do do Elizabeth do Daur 9 Scholar do do James do Son 8 do do do George do Son 6 do do do Caroline do Daur 4 do do John do Son 3 do do 1861 census of Down Ampney RG9/1784, folio 42/3, pages 4/5 James HAYWARD Head Mar 52 Sawyer Gloucestershire Down Ampney Maria do Wife Mar 41 do do Stephen do Son Un 20 Ag Lab do do James do Son Un 19 do do do George do Son Un 16 do do do Caroline do Daur 14 Scholar do do John do Son 13 do do do Mary Ann do Daur 7 do do do The record above this one at The Lodge shows a Joseph HAYWARD, aged 54, Gardener, born Down Ampney, wife Jane, 56, born Cornwall and children Ann aged 21 Dressmaker, Fanny aged 16 both born Down Ampney and niece Catherine HAYWARD, aged 8, Scholar, born Somerset, Bath. Perhaps they are connected??? Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret J. Muntz" To: Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 10:22 PM Subject: Re: [GLS] CHARLOTTE HAYWARD - Down Ampney > Paul > It looks as if this is Charlotte in 1841 census but with the ages and no > relationships in 41 census. Could James be an older brother with wife and > child, and 2 of James's sister Charlotte and Ann. Working on this > assumption > the IGI have James' christening in 1809 to a Stephen and Elizth. > (Elizabeth) > There is also another children to them Elizabeth ch 1811, Joseph 1807 all > at > Down Ampney > 41 census > Name Sex Age Profession/Occupation Where Born Original > census > image > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > HAYWARD, James M 30 Gloucestershire VIEW > HAYWARD, Maria F 20 Gloucestershire VIEW > HAYWARD, Charlotte F 13 Gloucestershire VIEW > HAYWARD, Ann F 10 Gloucestershire VIEW > HAYWARD, Stephen M 1 Gloucestershire VIEW > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > RG number: > HO107 Piece: > 354 Folio: > 10 Page: > 15 > > Registration District: > Cirencester Sub District: > Fairford EnumerationDistrict: > Ecclesiastical Parish: > > > Civil Parish: > Down Ampney Municipal Borough: > Address: > Down Ampney, Down Ampney > > Another senario could be that Maria is not James's wife but another > sibling and Stephen is hers or a nephew. > Sorry I do not have the 51 census to follow these possibilities. > But looks like child named after his grandfather! > Oddly Stephen and Elizabeth are still alive living in Down Anpmey > Census > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > HAYWARD, Stephen M 52 Gloucestershire VIEW > HAYWARD, Elizabeth F 50 Gloucestershire VIEW > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > RG number: > HO107 Piece: > 354 Folio: > 11 Page: > 16 > > Registration District: > Cirencester Sub District: > Fairford EnumerationDistrict: > Ecclesiastical Parish: > > > Civil Parish: > Down Ampney Municipal Borough: > Address: > Down Ampney, Down Ampney > > Sorry this does not prove Charlottes' parents but hope it gives > you something to progress from. > There is an outside chance that James is her father and maria > is > a second wife. > Regards > Marg > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Hansford" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 11:52 PM > Subject: [GLS] CHARLOTTE HAYWARD - Down Ampney > > >> Dear All >> Could anyone help me find the parents of Charlotte Hayward born about >> 1828 >> in Down Ampney please. >> Charlotte married Joseph Messenger of Latton in 1849. >> Thank you. >> Regards >> Paul >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Browse the list archives at: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ >> >> Keyword search - any or all lists: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _____________________________________________ > > Browse the list archives at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ > > Keyword search - any or all lists: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLOUCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.26/752 - Release Date: > 08/04/2007 20:34 > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. 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To Web Master David Watkins, I agree wholeheartedly David that this is a wonderful effort by all concerned. These latest transcriptions have opened up my BRIGHT line in several directions that were totally unexpected. It transpires that three BRIGHT brothers born mid 1700s uprooted in the early 1800s and moved into Wales. I've now linked them. I always knew there would be an innkeeper somewhere - James BRIGHT. Great stuff. All the best David Morris Ret'd Surrey.