Hi there Firebird! You seem to have strayed from the topic The point is that Elizabeth may not have obtained a passport because she very probably did not need one. Can you come up with an authoritative source for the first date (excluding wartime) when a British subject could enter the United States *only* with the production of a current passport? Why buy one if you don't need one? cheers David On 21/10/2008, at 9:58 PM, Firebird wrote: > David Daniell wrote: >> Moving >> within the Empire was not unlike moving now within the EU. > > Only within *some* EU countries. It's still necessary to have a > passport to travel to any EU country from the UK. > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk > , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able > to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hi Everyone I truly appreciate everyone who has responded to my inquiry. The thing is I have been searching for my grandmother, Caroline nee Smith,Platt's Birth Certificate for many years. During one of my mom's latest visits back home to Swindon, Wiltshire, She took a quick trip to Gloucester with some of her siblings. Now according to mom when they went to the Gloucester office they didn't find her mother's records with the information we were given. It is indeed with all your suggestions that the dates and or her name could be a bit different or off or the area she gave us could be incorrect. My grandmother had a very precarious upbringing so anything could be possible. I do have Ancestry and have used that as far as it will take me, which without indicated mothers names indicated on the registrations, its hard to pick and choose which of the many Caroline Smith's would be mine? Which so far I've been evidently mistaken on the pickings, lol I was hoping that going to the General Registar they would have the technology to cross reference with all the different counties therefore making my process of elimination a bit easier, if not cheaper????? I would necessarily just wait until the 2011 census, but my mom eager awaits and fears she might not be around to find out now at 75 herself. If I lived in England myself, I would walk into every Registar from Gloucester down to Wiltshire and back again and make the request personally until I found her. I'll check out the PRO as given. Thanks for the info. Cross your fingers for me. [email protected] wrote: > > Hi listers, > > Regarding my earlier post: > > Does this post above mean that we can apply to find out original > applications for passports? Where do we apply in England? What is the PRO? Passport > Records Office? Wouldn't it be great if they still kept photographs? > > I have since emailed the passport office with my query and they have replied > advising I write to: > > Disclosures, PETERBOROUGH PASSPORT OFFICE > Aragon Court, Northminster Road, Peterborough, PE1 1QG > > This might be of help to some of you. > > Regards > > Diana > > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Many thanks David, but I was really wanting to know where and when they were *necessary* as distinct from when they were available or became generally used by British Subjects. Similarly, I think, a visa is not at the moment required by all countries. cheers David On 21/10/2008, at 1:50 PM, David Steel wrote: > David Daniell wrote: >> Can anyone clarify when and for what purpose passports became >> essential? It quite often comes up. >> David >> >> On 21/10/2008, at 12:35 PM, Russell Ridout wrote: >> >> > Mark Herber, in Ancestral Trails, writes: > > "Passports were not required until 1914 (so most people did not apply > for one) but some were issued as early as 1794, principally to > diplomats > or merchants. They included photographs (from 1914) and, since 1921, > were in similar form to those we use today. A register of passport > applications and of the passports issued from 1794 to 1948 is at the > PRO > (TNA) in class FO 610, noting applicants' names and destinations. > The > entries are in date order, but there are name indexes for 1851-1862 > and > 1874-1916 in class FO 611." > > David Steel > Adelaide, South Australia > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk > , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able > to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

I am no expert on this but I think Safe Conducts or Passports may have been with us for five or six centuries but have only become absolutely *necessary* within the last century - within Europe (for British subjects) say, with the onset of the first world war. They have become essential for travel between Australia and New Zealand (for citizens of those countries) in only the last few decades. Moving within the Empire was not unlike moving now within the EU. Elizabeth may not have needed a passport even to visit USA, otherwise she was travelling as a British Subject between one part of the Empire and another (Britain - Australia). I think many European countries have long insisted on identity documents for each individual (to be produced when called upon) - Britain did not. Can anyone clarify when and for what purpose passports became essential? It quite often comes up. David On 21/10/2008, at 12:35 PM, Russell Ridout wrote: > Hi Esther > > What additional information are you looking for? You seem to have > most of > > As Elizabeth had a Passport, it seems reasonable that she had to > exhibit a > Birth Certificate for that, so it might be worth emailing the Passport > Office (http://www.ips.gov.uk/).

David Daniell wrote: > Can you come up with an authoritative source for the first date > (excluding wartime) > when a British subject could enter the United States > *only* with the production of a current passport? If you contact the UK Passport Service, they should be able to tell you when it was necessary for UK citizens to have a visa to enter the US and what year this requirement was abolished. There was talk about visas being reintroduced but I don't think this actually came about. I was able to do so in 1989, no visa, but my sister insisted I did need a visa. She was wrong but she was basing her insistance on the fact that she had needed one in the early 1980s - can't remember which year though.

Hi listers, Regarding my earlier post: Does this post above mean that we can apply to find out original applications for passports? Where do we apply in England? What is the PRO? Passport Records Office? Wouldn't it be great if they still kept photographs? I have since emailed the passport office with my query and they have replied advising I write to: Disclosures, PETERBOROUGH PASSPORT OFFICE Aragon Court, Northminster Road, Peterborough, PE1 1QG This might be of help to some of you. Regards Diana

David Daniell wrote: > Can anyone clarify when and for what purpose passports became > essential? It quite often comes up. > David > > On 21/10/2008, at 12:35 PM, Russell Ridout wrote: > > Mark Herber, in Ancestral Trails, writes: "Passports were not required until 1914 (so most people did not apply for one) but some were issued as early as 1794, principally to diplomats or merchants. They included photographs (from 1914) and, since 1921, were in similar form to those we use today. A register of passport applications and of the passports issued from 1794 to 1948 is at the PRO (TNA) in class FO 610, noting applicants' names and destinations. The entries are in date order, but there are name indexes for 1851-1862 and 1874-1916 in class FO 611." David Steel Adelaide, South Australia

David Daniell wrote: > Moving > within the Empire was not unlike moving now within the EU. Only within *some* EU countries. It's still necessary to have a passport to travel to any EU country from the UK.

David Daniell wrote: > but I was really wanting to know where and when they were *necessary* <quote> Mark Herber, in Ancestral Trails, writes: >> >> "Passports were not required until 1914 [...] </quote> I read that as saying they were necessary from 1914 onwards. > Similarly, I think, a visa is not at the moment required by all > countries. That's correct.

I recently ordered a certificate from GRO without success but the original office found it easily. Might be an idea to request certificate from Gloucester. Paula > Message Received: Oct 20 2008, 09:36 PM > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Cc: > Subject: GLOUCESTER Digest, Vol 3, Issue 491 > > I found > > Smith Caroline Dorothy Jun quarter 1908 Gloucester 6a 338 on FreeBMD ... you > could order it online and see if it matches up? > > Regards > > Dave > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Esther Ann" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 1:41 PM > Subject: [GLS] Smith Search > > > > Hi Listers, > > > > I have just received email for the third time that the > > GRO can not find details on my Grandmother, > > Caroline Smith! > > Although I was disappointed on this second search for > > May 17,1905 which included also the 2nd quarter > > of 1904 and 1906 that ended up empty handed, I am > > now more disappointed then ever because the third > > attempt the GRO only searched for the year given 1908 > > and as they indicated there were too many to look > > through with that name for 1907/1909. > > So I ask what is a person to do? I know my > > grandmother existed and I know looking for anyone > > with the name Smith is a task, but theres got to be > > someway for me to figure this out. She had a passport > > because she traveled to Australia twice and here to the U.S. > > to visit our family numerous times. She was a pensioner?????? > > Is there some kind of data bank somewhere in the UK > > where information can be inserted and it cross references through > > all of the Counties in the UK in order to narrow down the search. > > I mean this is crazy. > > Esther Fetsko > > > > > > Caroline Smith, Born:May 17,1905, 121 Westgate St. Gloucester, Died: > > 2000, Swindon, Wiltshire. > > Father: Edgar G. Smith, Born,abt: 1860, Gloucester, Died,abt: 1948, > > Stroud, Gls > > Mother: Elizabeth Swan, Unknwn > > Brother: Frederick Smith, Born: November 4, 1912, #4Compass, Priory Rd. > > Gls. > > Spouse: Reginald Platt, Born: October,1903, Died: Jan,1959 > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on > > www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will > > then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1734 - Release Date: 20/10/2008 > 07:25 > > > >

In a message dated 21/10/2008 01:51:51 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Mark Herber, in Ancestral Trails, writes: "Passports were not required until 1914 (so most people did not apply for one) but some were issued as early as 1794, principally to diplomats or merchants. They included photographs (from 1914) and, since 1921, were in similar form to those we use today. A register of passport applications and of the passports issued from 1794 to 1948 is at the PRO (TNA) in class FO 610, noting applicants' names and destinations. The entries are in date order, but there are name indexes for 1851-1862 and 1874-1916 in class FO 611." Hi listers, Does this post above mean that we can apply to find out original applications for passports? Where do we apply in England? What is the PRO? Passport Records Office? Wouldn't it be great if they still kept photographs? Regards Diana

Hi Esther What additional information are you looking for? You seem to have most of the information that a Birth Certificate would show, other than father's occupation. Do you have access to Ancestry? There is a member on there who looks as though they are researching the same family as you, with an Edgar Smith/Westgate Street link. Also, there is another tree for Edgar, but sadly no wife. I cannot see the family after 1861, although I think that Edgar's father Silvanus died in Gloucestershire in 1882, so you would expect him to be there for the 1881 census, as well as the 1871. Was it a gypsy family? With names you give it seems very possible, which could mean that Elizabeth was indeed unregistered as the family was on the move. Often, the children were baptised in groups at a friendly church on their route some years after their births, and you may be lucky and find a bulk civil registration also, though as there was a time limit for registration, to avoid payment of a penalty this may not have been carried out. As Elizabeth had a Passport, it seems reasonable that she had to exhibit a Birth Certificate for that, so it might be worth emailing the Passport Office (http://www.ips.gov.uk/). If you can supply proof of death and relationship, they might be able to give you some information. If for any reason her birth was registered late, it may well not appear in the index when you expect. Also, if the family did register Elizabeth, it could have been in another district, although it should have been done in the district of birth. You might need to wait for the 1911 census to see if this will give you any more clues to Elizabeth's birth. As you say, the Smith name is a difficult one to trace. Happy hunting. Regards Russell -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Esther Ann Sent: 20 October 2008 13:41 To: [email protected] Subject: [GLS] Smith Search Hi Listers, I have just received email for the third time that the GRO can not find details on my Grandmother, Caroline Smith!

I found Smith Caroline Dorothy Jun quarter 1908 Gloucester 6a 338 on FreeBMD ... you could order it online and see if it matches up? Regards Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Esther Ann" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 1:41 PM Subject: [GLS] Smith Search > Hi Listers, > > I have just received email for the third time that the > GRO can not find details on my Grandmother, > Caroline Smith! > Although I was disappointed on this second search for > May 17,1905 which included also the 2nd quarter > of 1904 and 1906 that ended up empty handed, I am > now more disappointed then ever because the third > attempt the GRO only searched for the year given 1908 > and as they indicated there were too many to look > through with that name for 1907/1909. > So I ask what is a person to do? I know my > grandmother existed and I know looking for anyone > with the name Smith is a task, but theres got to be > someway for me to figure this out. She had a passport > because she traveled to Australia twice and here to the U.S. > to visit our family numerous times. She was a pensioner?????? > Is there some kind of data bank somewhere in the UK > where information can be inserted and it cross references through > all of the Counties in the UK in order to narrow down the search. > I mean this is crazy. > Esther Fetsko > > > Caroline Smith, Born:May 17,1905, 121 Westgate St. Gloucester, Died: > 2000, Swindon, Wiltshire. > Father: Edgar G. Smith, Born,abt: 1860, Gloucester, Died,abt: 1948, > Stroud, Gls > Mother: Elizabeth Swan, Unknwn > Brother: Frederick Smith, Born: November 4, 1912, #4Compass, Priory Rd. > Gls. > Spouse: Reginald Platt, Born: October,1903, Died: Jan,1959 > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on > www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will > then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1734 - Release Date: 20/10/2008 07:25

Dear Esther Ann Have you been to the local Register Office or national. As the originals were copied by local registrars and sent to GRO mistakes were made. It is always worth going back to the original RO- which in this case would be Gloucester RO, I guess. Also, is it possible that either she was registered before being named - in which case look for a female Smith birth, or that Caroline was her second name? I have a Georgina Selina, who was after called Jessie (!) ( fortunately her surname was rare so I picked that up) and my g grandmother who everyone told me was Florence Taylor and cost me a couple of wrong certificates, turned out to be Flora - at least till the first census she appeared on! Best wishes Jill Esther Ann wrote: >Hi Listers, > >I have just received email for the third time that the >GRO can not find details on my Grandmother, >Caroline Smith! >Although I was disappointed on this second search for >May 17,1905 which included also the 2nd quarter >of 1904 and 1906 that ended up empty handed, I am >now more disappointed then ever because the third >attempt the GRO only searched for the year given 1908 >and as they indicated there were too many to look >through with that name for 1907/1909. >So I ask what is a person to do? I know my >grandmother existed and I know looking for anyone >with the name Smith is a task, but theres got to be >someway for me to figure this out. She had a passport >because she traveled to Australia twice and here to the U.S. >to visit our family numerous times. She was a pensioner?????? >Is there some kind of data bank somewhere in the UK >where information can be inserted and it cross references through >all of the Counties in the UK in order to narrow down the search. >I mean this is crazy. >Esther Fetsko > > >Caroline Smith, Born:May 17,1905, 121 Westgate St. Gloucester, Died: >2000, Swindon, Wiltshire. >Father: Edgar G. Smith, Born,abt: 1860, Gloucester, Died,abt: 1948, >Stroud, Gls >Mother: Elizabeth Swan, Unknwn >Brother: Frederick Smith, Born: November 4, 1912, #4Compass, Priory Rd. Gls. >Spouse: Reginald Platt, Born: October,1903, Died: Jan,1959 > > > > > _____________________________________________ > >Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1733 - Release Date: 19/10/2008 18:02 > > >

David Thanks for the additions and your sterling efforts in providing these record transcripts. Bob Sanders Cardiff Web Site: http://www.angelfire.com/ga/BobSanders Dylai'r datganiadau neu'r sylwadau uchod gael eu trin fel rhai personol ac nid o reidrwydd fel datganiadau neu sylwadau gan Lywodraeth Cynulliad Cymru, unrhyw ran ohono neu unrhyw gorff sy'n gysylltiedig ag ef. Any of the statements or comments made above should be regarded as personal and not necessarily those of the Welsh Assembly Government, any constituent part or connected body. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 20 October 2008 08:00 To: [email protected] Subject: GLOUCESTER Digest, Vol 3, Issue 490 Browse the list archives at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ Keyword search - any or all lists: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search Today's Topics: 1. Land Girls (Firebird) 2. Parish Records - New Additions, 20 Oct 2008 (David Watkins) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 19:05:40 +0100 From: Firebird <[email protected]> Subject: [GLS] Land Girls To: List Gloucester <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Does anyone know any Land Girls or were any of the ladies on the list Land Girls? If so, there's a service being held at Gloucester Cathedral to honour them on Nov 2. More details: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/gloucestershire/7678673.stm ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:25:24 +0800 From: David Watkins <[email protected]> Subject: [GLS] Parish Records - New Additions, 20 Oct 2008 To: [email protected], [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Forest of Dean Parish Records Transcription Project http://www.forest-of-dean.net/fodmembers/index.php?mode=page&id=1 Ashleworth Marriages 1754-1812 Bromsberrow Marriages 1837-1977 * Deerhurst Baptisms 1777-1812 Deerhurst Burials 1777-1812 Deerhurst Marriages 1759-1812 Dixton Marriages 1813-1837 Goodrich Marriages 1754-1804 Hasfield Baptisms 1693-1794 Hasfield Marriages 1693-1754 Ledbury Baptisms 1813-1827 Ledbury Baptisms 1838-1859 Ledbury Burials 1813-1834 Little Marcle Marriages 1754-1812 Longdon Burials 1713-1780 Marstow Baptisms 1791-1812 Marstow Burials 1791-1812 Marstow Marriages 1791-1812 Ross on Wye Baptism 1906-1923 * Ross on Wye Burials 1890-1909 Taynton Baptism 1659-1734 Taynton Burials 1659-1734 Taynton Marriages 1659-1734 Tirley Baptisms 1653-1794 Tirley Burials 1653-1793 Tirley Marriages 1653-1732 Tirley Marriages 1732-1751 Upton Bishop Baptisms 1712-1794 Upton Bishop Burials 1712-1794 Upton Bishop Marriages 1712-1754 Walford Baptisms 1663-1795 Walford Burials 1663-1795 Walford Marriages 1663-1754 Welsh Bicknor Baptisms 1699-1706 Welsh Bicknor Burials 1699-1706 Welsh Bicknor Marriages 1699-1706 Whitchurch Burials 1864-1950 Whitchurch Marriage 1761-1812 * Recent events are not available on-line for privacy reasons ** Updated Records View Up-to-date list of transcribed records http://www.forest-of-dean.net/cgi-bin/transcripts/transcripts_2.cgi If you have any difficulties logging into the Parish Records section, please make sure you have read the Help-FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) pages before asking for assistance as it will often answer any questions you might have. 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Hi Listers, I have just received email for the third time that the GRO can not find details on my Grandmother, Caroline Smith! Although I was disappointed on this second search for May 17,1905 which included also the 2nd quarter of 1904 and 1906 that ended up empty handed, I am now more disappointed then ever because the third attempt the GRO only searched for the year given 1908 and as they indicated there were too many to look through with that name for 1907/1909. So I ask what is a person to do? I know my grandmother existed and I know looking for anyone with the name Smith is a task, but theres got to be someway for me to figure this out. She had a passport because she traveled to Australia twice and here to the U.S. to visit our family numerous times. She was a pensioner?????? Is there some kind of data bank somewhere in the UK where information can be inserted and it cross references through all of the Counties in the UK in order to narrow down the search. I mean this is crazy. Esther Fetsko Caroline Smith, Born:May 17,1905, 121 Westgate St. Gloucester, Died: 2000, Swindon, Wiltshire. Father: Edgar G. Smith, Born,abt: 1860, Gloucester, Died,abt: 1948, Stroud, Gls Mother: Elizabeth Swan, Unknwn Brother: Frederick Smith, Born: November 4, 1912, #4Compass, Priory Rd. Gls. Spouse: Reginald Platt, Born: October,1903, Died: Jan,1959

Does anyone know any Land Girls or were any of the ladies on the list Land Girls? If so, there's a service being held at Gloucester Cathedral to honour them on Nov 2. More details: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/gloucestershire/7678673.stm

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Thank you Hugh i will visit those sites you have sent. Brenda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hugh Conway-Jones" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [GLS] PARROTT/PATRICK/POWELL/ SIMMONDS - Watermen(was:searching) > For background information on Gloucester docks and the Sharpness Canal, > see > my website www.gloucesterdocks.me.uk, and for boating families see > http://www.gloucesterdocks.me.uk/vessels/upcountry.htm and the links on > that > page. I will look through my notes to see if I have anything about the > specific names listed. > > Hugh > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Firebird" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 9:20 AM > Subject: Re: [GLS] PARROTT/PATRICK/POWELL/ SIMMONDS - Watermen > (was:searching) > > >> Brenda Parrott wrote: >>> Hello, This is my first time so hope im doing this the right >>> way,, im doing my family tree andim looking for any information on >>> the following people (my Ancestors) >>> >>> William H Parrott born 1831 Gloucester, was a Lighterman >>> >>> Charles Parrott " 1839 Gloucester, on 1861 census was on >>> the Vessel 'Hero) as a boatman. >>> >>> Edward Parrott born 1834 Gloucester, 1871 census working >>> Worcester/Birmingham canal >>> >>> John Patrick born 1823 Worcester but lived and worked in Gloucester >>> 1871 was Master on Vessel 'Jane' with his children. >>> >>> William Powell born 1844 Gloucester 1871 census on board Vessel >>> no 5, 1891 Vessel Stella, 1901 vessel Rosalind on inland waters >>> canal. >>> >>> William Simmonds)Simmons) 1806 Gloucester was a waterman until he >>> died 1849. >> >> What sort of information are you looking for? >> >> >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on >> www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will >> then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your >> postem. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1730 - Release Date: 10/17/2008 > 8:07 AM > > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on > www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will > then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1730 - Release Date: 10/17/2008 8:07 AM