Hello: Although not seasonal, undertakers also maintained other professions. GY -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of penny gay Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 7:17 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GLS] Stroud Brewery Hi Nancy Good to hear from you. Apparently making malt was a seasonal job - mainly from October to May. which may explain why your ancestor was also a baker. I'll let you know if I find out any more about malt-houses in Stroud! Penny. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 11:48 AM Subject: Re: [GLS] Stroud Brewery > Hi, > > My ancestor George Mynett was a Baker & Malster in Stroud 1700s, so > this has been interesting for me. > I've also tried to find where he would have worked without success. > Meeting Street is the most likely place he would have lived. It seemed > to be a street of businesses, > going by later members of the family who operated from there. > I'm off to check out the links in the previous e-mails. > Nancy > Australia > > > >> >> Yes, British-history.ac.uk/ reports that there were 8 malthouses in the >> parish of Stroud in 1822. My ggg grandfather, John GAY, was a maltster >> in >> Stroud between 1813 and 1829. He died in 1829, aged 37, leaving a widow >> and >> seven sons. The family lived in Lower Street, Acres Hedge and Meeting >> Street, Stroud, between John's marriage in 1813 and his death. Clearly >> there >> were several possible places he might have worked in the Stroud area - >> but >> it's good just to know that, so I'm very grateful for your help. Penny. > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on > www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will > then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Listers Could some one when they next visit Gloucester Record Office check the Poor Law Indexes for the following: Anselm and Sarah SOMERS of Stroud, their children Edward, George and Henry. They are believed to have been receipt of Poor Law Relief in 1829. The file reference I have for them is P316 OV 3/3/45. I am interested in any details that can be found on the circumstances as to their application. Many thanks in advance. Linnette Wellington New Zealand

Nancy, I wonder if there is anyone on the list that goes to the RO at Kew?  If so, they may do a look up for you.  I've got the same interest because my GGrandfather was a RR Porter when he married in 1874.  Family lore has that his passage to the USA was paid by the RR here to secure his knowledge.  They ended up in Chicago working for the Pullman Company. Take care, Paul Ohio, USA ----- Original Message ---- > From: Nancy <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 6:27:04 AM > Subject: Re: [GLS] Railway workers was Moving to the cities > > Thanks for that. > Should have been g.g..grandfathers, not g.grandads. > I have another g.g.grandad employed by GWR as a porter in Wiltshire 1851. > Maybe the records will become easier to get from overseas at some stage. > Good to know they are there anyway. Thanks. > > Nancy > Australia > > > > Nancy, Probably the Great Western Railway.  The staff records for this company > >  are quite good and are at the Public Records Office at Kew. > _____________________________________________

The following is a list of one of the company’s of the Marquess of Worcester’s regiments in 1667.  As there is a similar document held at the Gloucester Archives, I thought that you might be interested in the names as they may be from Gloucestershire.  If you spot anyone of interest, get in touch. Giles Colchester Researching family Colchester any place, anytime, any spelling. John Alderne Thomas Barton William Bennett Thomas Burton Alexander Bayleys [or Alexander Baileys] Thomas Bayleys [or Thomas Baileys] Thomas Cave William Carter John Chanter        Duncombe Colchester  [or Duncomb Colchester] John Colchester John Daniell Nathaniell Davies [or Nathaniel Davies] Edward Day          Nicholas Downes William Dubberly William Grindle John Halten [or John Hatten]    Thomas Hawkins Edmond Howell Richard Hyde James Jones William Jones Thomas Joynes Joseph Lewis       William Maddocks George Marshall Thomas Mathews Oliver Millington Richard ?Mints William Mumford Thomas Nicholls Richard Parry Richard Poole Thomas Powell Richard Pranton William Price William Pue [perhaps William Pugh] Daniell Peirce [perhaps Daniel Pierce] George Redway Samuell Robberts [perhaps Samuel Roberts] John Robbins Gabriel Scriven John Smarte [or John Smart] Peter Smyth Michaell Stedmore Thomas Sturmey Ralph Terrett [or Ralph Terret] Hugh Thomas Nathaniell Tombs [or Nathaniel Tombs] John Tucker William Tuffley Joseph Twyning [or Joseph Twining or Joseph Twinning] Phillip Typpeny William Werrett George Whithorn Thomas Williams  John Woodcock Richard Woodlow

Hi, I have two great grandfathers in Stroud/Painswick area who changed from Ag. Labourers to Plate Layers on the railway. One by 1871, the other by 1881 They continued with this work until they were too old. Would anyone know which railway they would have worked for at this time? Nancy Australia

Thanks Lynne. No shortage of pubs in the Stroud area! Love the Paul Hawkins Fisher anecdotes. Penny. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynne Cleaver" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [GLS] Stroud Brewery > Don't forget the Gloucestershire pubs website - > http://www.easywell.co.uk/pubs/brewerylist/brewery%20list/stroud%20brewery/index.htm > Lynne > > penny gay wrote: >> Does anyone know if a maltster living in Stroud in the early 1800s would >> be most likely to have worked at a malthouse actually sited within the >> Stroud Brewery buildings, which I believe were in Rowcroft. Although I >> have found plenty of information about the process of making malt, I >> haven't been able to find where there might have been a malthouse in >> Stroud - the Brewery seems the obvious place - but confirmation would be >> good. Grateful for any help or suggestions. Penny G. >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on >> www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will >> then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your >> postem. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1762 - Release Date: >> 02/11/2008 09:51 >> >> > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on > www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will > then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Don't forget the Gloucestershire pubs website - http://www.easywell.co.uk/pubs/brewerylist/brewery%20list/stroud%20brewery/index.htm Lynne penny gay wrote: > Does anyone know if a maltster living in Stroud in the early 1800s would be most likely to have worked at a malthouse actually sited within the Stroud Brewery buildings, which I believe were in Rowcroft. Although I have found plenty of information about the process of making malt, I haven't been able to find where there might have been a malthouse in Stroud - the Brewery seems the obvious place - but confirmation would be good. Grateful for any help or suggestions. Penny G. > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1762 - Release Date: 02/11/2008 09:51 > >

Thanks Hugh Yes, British-history.ac.uk/ reports that there were 8 malthouses in the parish of Stroud in 1822. My ggg grandfather, John GAY, was a maltster in Stroud between 1813 and 1829. He died in 1829, aged 37, leaving a widow and seven sons. The family lived in Lower Street, Acres Hedge and Meeting Street, Stroud, between John's marriage in 1813 and his death. Clearly there were several possible places he might have worked in the Stroud area - but it's good just to know that, so I'm very grateful for your help. Penny. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [GLS] Stroud Brewery > Penny, > > There were lots of malthouses around and in Stroud. I actually live in an > old one in Minchinhampton which was owned by my 3xgreat uncle in the early > 1800's. Malt was not necessarily made in a brewery. Probably not in the > early > 1800's and not in the 20th Cent. > > You don't give the name of the person who interests you! The Stroud > Brewery > is mentioned on: > _http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=19061_ > (http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=19061) > > Worth a look. > > Hugh Kearsey > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on > www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will > then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Giles, I would be interested in John ROBBINS. I have a branch of the ROBINS/ROBBINS family in the Uley/Owlpen area. I have several Johns, the earliest being baptised 1662, which means the one on your list isn't that John, but it may have been his father. Any information the document holds on John ROBBINS would be of interest. Regards, Nancy Frey Newcastle, Ontario, CANADA OPC for Ansford & Castle Cary, Somerset Moderator of Yahoo! Catsash Group Moderator of Yahoo! FULFORD_North Devon Group Moderator of Yahoo! DAVIDGE Connections Group ----- Original Message ----- From: "Giles Colchester" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 7:28 PM Subject: [GLS] Regiment of the Marquess of Worcester The following is a list of one of the company's of the Marquess of Worcester's regiments in 1667. As there is a similar document held at the Gloucester Archives, I thought that you might be interested in the names as they may be from Gloucestershire. If you spot anyone of interest, get in touch. Giles Colchester Researching family Colchester any place, anytime, any spelling. John Alderne Thomas Barton William Bennett Thomas Burton Alexander Bayleys [or Alexander Baileys] Thomas Bayleys [or Thomas Baileys] Thomas Cave William Carter John Chanter Duncombe Colchester [or Duncomb Colchester] John Colchester John Daniell Nathaniell Davies [or Nathaniel Davies] Edward Day Nicholas Downes William Dubberly William Grindle John Halten [or John Hatten] Thomas Hawkins Edmond Howell Richard Hyde James Jones William Jones Thomas Joynes Joseph Lewis William Maddocks George Marshall Thomas Mathews Oliver Millington Richard ?Mints William Mumford Thomas Nicholls Richard Parry Richard Poole Thomas Powell Richard Pranton William Price William Pue [perhaps William Pugh] Daniell Peirce [perhaps Daniel Pierce] George Redway Samuell Robberts [perhaps Samuel Roberts] John Robbins Gabriel Scriven John Smarte [or John Smart] Peter Smyth Michaell Stedmore Thomas Sturmey Ralph Terrett [or Ralph Terret] Hugh Thomas Nathaniell Tombs [or Nathaniel Tombs] John Tucker William Tuffley Joseph Twyning [or Joseph Twining or Joseph Twinning] Phillip Typpeny William Werrett George Whithorn Thomas Williams John Woodcock Richard Woodlow _____________________________________________ Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone know if a maltster living in Stroud in the early 1800s would be most likely to have worked at a malthouse actually sited within the Stroud Brewery buildings, which I believe were in Rowcroft. Although I have found plenty of information about the process of making malt, I haven't been able to find where there might have been a malthouse in Stroud - the Brewery seems the obvious place - but confirmation would be good. Grateful for any help or suggestions. Penny G.

Does anyone have information on Thomas ALDRIDGE?  Thomas had a daughter Margaret who was born 6 April 1682 at Minchampton, Gloucester, but that is all I know about Thomas & his family. Is anyone else researching this family? Gary in Sunny Central Queensland. Search 1000's of available singles in your area at the new Yahoo!7 Dating. Get Started http://au.dating.yahoo.com/?cid=53151&pid=1011

Nancy, Probably the Great Western Railway.  The staff records for this company  are quite good and are at the Public Records Office at Kew. My own ggfathers' record was found. He was at Dursley and first joined the LMS [London Midland & Scottish] He subsequently moved to the GWR. This was over the period 1869-1904. ----- Original Message ---- From: Nancy <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, 2 November, 2008 1:05:38 PM Subject: Re: [GLS] Railway workers was Moving to the cities Hi, I have two great grandfathers in Stroud/Painswick area who changed from Ag. Labourers to Plate Layers on the railway. One by 1871, the other by 1881 They continued with this work until they were too old. Would anyone know which railway they would have worked for at this time? Nancy Australia _____________________________________________ Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details?  Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Penny, There were lots of malthouses around and in Stroud. I actually live in an old one in Minchinhampton which was owned by my 3xgreat uncle in the early 1800's. Malt was not necessarily made in a brewery. Probably not in the early 1800's and not in the 20th Cent. You don't give the name of the person who interests you! The Stroud Brewery is mentioned on: _http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=19061_ (http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=19061) Worth a look. Hugh Kearsey

Hi, I have located the London Gazette on-line (http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/) "THE COURT FOR RELIEF OF INSOLVENT DEBTORS. Saturday the 24th day of June 1843. ORDERS have been made, vesting in the Provisional Assignee the Estates and Effects of the following Persons-: On their own Petitions. William Pelling, late of Abbotshara-place Stapleton-road, in the city of Bristol, Foreman and Conductor of the business of Harriet Pelling, of College-green, Bristol aforesaid, Hair Dresser and Perfumer.-In the Gaol of Bristol." Now would there be records of the Gaol of Bristol? I have not located the death of Harriet PELLING but she was in the 1841 census but I have not found her in the 1851 census. William PELLING and his sister Harriet PELLING dissolved their partnership in October 1840. But this sounds like after dissolving the partnership i.e. Harriet retired and William kept the business going. I'm guessing it then went "bad". What sort of gaol term would owing money in a failed business give? I do notice 5 children born to his wife after 1843 so I am guessing not too long!! :-) Thank you for any direction/ advice Regards, Pat Wade (Nee King)

Hi, I have been going back over some of my documents and I have a small article (written not photo copies) with this - Gazette Issue 20237 published on the 27 June 1843. Page 34 of 40 - as the reference. The article - On their own Petitions. William Pelling, late of Abbotshara-place Stapleton-road, in the city of Bristol, Foreman and Conductor of the business of Harriet Pelling, of College-green, Bristol aforesaid, Hair Dresser and Perfumer.-In the Gaol of Bristol. But I don't know where or how I got to this article as I would really like to further investigate this. Does anyone know where I can get hold of the Gazette's? The URL if it is on line? Thank you Regards, Pat Wade (Nee King)

The Railway Navvies Terry Coleman A history of the men who made the railways Book Club Associates London 1972 A really good read. On 01/11/2008, Elizabeth Roberts <[email protected]> wrote: > > There were lots of jobs with railways that did not need the skill of > reading, firstly the railways had to be built, this called for lots of men > who could shovel dirt, drive carts, carry heavy weights etc all skills Ag > labourers would of have brought to the job, the engineer and overseers > would > have need to read and write but the vast workforce were tough labourers. > Railway building started in Britian but it was British and Irish know how > that built many of the worlds railways. Hence we find in Australia someone > born in Russia whose father was a British railway engineer. > > After the railways were built the lines had to be maintained, again this > was > manual work. I have traced one family whose family came to Australia as a > railway navy whose sons then became fetters on the last railway line he > built. > > My memories of going to school with fettlers children ( from different > families to above) in the late 1950s was even then the whole family did not > have a high degree of functional literacy. > > As for how did knowledge of jobs etc move. Don't forget the postage system > with Stamps started in 1840, there had been 1d postage in some areas before > that. People read and wrote for other people. > > Regards Elizabeth > > > > A local history research in Australia > > > > _____ > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, 1 November 2008 6:27 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: GLOUCESTER Digest, Vol 3, Issue 508 > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on > www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will > then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Robert Alun Chick Penarth GFHS 7007

Hi I am researching my Deakin side of the family. In particular the Deakin interests in Toddington where I understand William George Deakin lived around 1920-40. The Deakin family were jam manufacturers with a canning factory in Pershore and Toddington and I believe that fruit for canning and jam was grown at Toddington Manor. Any information on the Deakins and their connection with Toddingon, gratefully received. Debbie

I was referring to railway operating staff - not to those who built the railways. They had to be able to read the rule book, which, with its general appendix, ran to over 500 pages.  Drivers, who started as engine cleaners, had to write a report every day.  I started work in the original head office of the Rhymney Railway in Cardiff. Taff Vale & Barry Railway staff records were kept in this office. All these companies became part of the GWR in 1923 or earlier.  Literacy was a requirement.  Jeff ----- Original Message ---- From: Gillian Taylor Shaw <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, 31 October, 2008 5:49:00 PM Subject: Re: [GLS] Rural Gloucestershire to the cities I actually disagree with what Jeff has said about people ability to read and write and those not with these skill were not involved with the railways in the early 1800's, maybe they were not involved in the engineering but most certainly labour was required and  thousand of men were employed in the creation of the railway: One of the first early trials of Wylam locomotives was watched by George Stephenson, in 1813 Stephenson as instructed by his employer to build a locomotive, when the locomotive called Blucher was completed in 1814, it was the first locomotive to be driven by adhesion, and have flanged wheels running on edge rails. Stephenson built more locomotives and in about 1819 he laid out the Hetton Collier Railway, from Hetton-le-Hole to Sunderland, as the first railway designed to have no animal traction, the route was 8 miles long. Wealthy people took advantage of railway speed having private carriages with their occupant were carried on flat wagons wherever the railway coincided with a travellers intended rote, or part of it. Second class coaches, simple but roofed, were provided, third class coaches, for the poor, were little more than open boxes on wheels, the speed must have felt miraculous in comparison to those on feet or by road carrier.  Third class passenger was entitled by law from 1844 to be carried in carriages provided with seats and protected from the weather. In 1833 flagpoles were installed at junctions and crossings and the following year 1834 saw the first fixed signals. Greenwich was opened in 1839, and the route extended to Brighton by the London & Brighton railway opened in 1841.  The Great Western opened its first section at the London end in 1838 and reached Bristol in 1841; Box tunnel had taken 5 years to make.  By 1841 the Bristol & Exeter was already open to Bridgewater, and reached Exeter in 1844.  The broad gauge Bristol & Gloucester Railway was opened in 1844, and at Gloucester for the first time broad gauge met standard gauge, for the Birmingham & Gloucester had been opened in 1840.  Most of the other railways authorised in 1836 to make a south west to north west route were completed between 1839 and 1844; the Manchester & Leeds was opened in 1840 and the Sheffield, Ashton under Lyne & Manchester in 1845.  The first trunk railway in Scotland was the Edinburgh & Glasgow authorised in 1838 and opened in 1842. British railway networks from a little over 1600 miles in 1842, the distance covered had grown to 6084 miles in 1850 and by 1860 the basic railway network of lowland Britain was in existence, the remainder of the railway system was built up over the ensuing 60 years. Regards Gillian -------------------------------------------------- From: "J GOULD" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 12:45 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [GLS] Rural Gloucestershire  to the cities > Brian, 1841 was pretty early in Railway history. It was mostly main lines > that were operating at that time. > Railway work demanded an ability to read and write, which was not > generally an attribute of the ag labs > at this period. Jobs were advertised in the newspapers. I know for a fact > that one of my ancestors moved > from Bristol to Pontypridd in the late 1840s in response to such an > advert. Jeff > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Brian Blackwell <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, 31 October, 2008 11:08:40 AM > Subject: Re: [GLS] Rural Gloucestershire to the cities > > > > My Blackwell line moved from Bisley/Miserden to Birmingham around 1830, > was > there any organised method of attracting manpower into Birmingham or just > "word of mouth". > > My rural 4xgg Richard Blackwell worked for the railway on his 1841 > marriage > certificate (Birmingham) does anyone know if the railway was near > Bisley/Miserden for him to have had a railway connection before he arrived > in Birmingham? > > Richard gave Miserdine as his place of birth on the 1851 Birmingham > census. > > Brian Blackwell > Sechelt BC > > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on > www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will > then be able to make contact. 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There were lots of jobs with railways that did not need the skill of reading, firstly the railways had to be built, this called for lots of men who could shovel dirt, drive carts, carry heavy weights etc all skills Ag labourers would of have brought to the job, the engineer and overseers would have need to read and write but the vast workforce were tough labourers. Railway building started in Britian but it was British and Irish know how that built many of the worlds railways. Hence we find in Australia someone born in Russia whose father was a British railway engineer. After the railways were built the lines had to be maintained, again this was manual work. I have traced one family whose family came to Australia as a railway navy whose sons then became fetters on the last railway line he built. My memories of going to school with fettlers children ( from different families to above) in the late 1950s was even then the whole family did not have a high degree of functional literacy. As for how did knowledge of jobs etc move. Don't forget the postage system with Stamps started in 1840, there had been 1d postage in some areas before that. People read and wrote for other people. Regards Elizabeth A local history research in Australia _____ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Saturday, 1 November 2008 6:27 AM To: [email protected] Subject: GLOUCESTER Digest, Vol 3, Issue 508

Hi All, The papers published: "Lists of persons who have obtained Gamekeepers' Certificates" It is quite short. Is this what I would describe as a gun-licence? Surely a gamekeeper looked after (farmed) Game and perhaps need not carry a gun unless he were Head Gamekeeper? cheers David