Hi Brenda, Sorry, I cant do look ups but I have found a record in IGI of Charles Parrott marrying Charlotte Bradley, 3rd December 1827 at Redmarley D'Abitot, which is midway between Gloucester and Ledbury. There is no corresponding record for this in Forest of Dean records though. My interest is in researching Boatmen, mainly at St.Nicholas, Gloucester and the Parrott's were boatmen. I have a Lillian Iris Anne Parrot, b1904, known as Anne, married to Samuel Thomas, c1894. Kind regards, Les> From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 12:40:02 +0000> Subject: [GLS] Bpt records St Nicholas Glos> > Please would someone be so kind as to do 2 Look Ups, for me, Baptism > record s for Charles parrott c1804 and Charlotte Bradley 1811 both St > Nicholas . Gloucester. I would be very grateful. Brenda > > _____________________________________________> > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem.> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Get Windows Live Messenger on your Mobile http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000001ukm/direct/01/

Hello Wendy, There is nothing on the Gloucestershire Marriage Index 1800-1837 for any male SAMUEL/S. The only marriage for a female SAMUEL/S is that of a Sylvia SAMUEL married by banns on 4 March 1804 at Newnham to a William DAVIS. There is a marriage on the GRO Index in the Dec qtr 1876 at Cheltenham of a Matilda Ann BARNES but there is no corresponding entry for a Martin/Alfred SAMUEL/L/S. This entry in FreeBMD does not have a groom's name entered. I can't find another Matilda BARNES on the 1871 census with a Cheltenham connection, so I wonder if your Alfred/Martin married under another name. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard" <[email protected]> To: "Gloucester" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 12:15 PM Subject: [GLS] Samuels/Barnes > Hello Gloucester Listers > > I am trying to trace my husbands great grandfather x2 Alfred/Martin > Samuels. We know that Matilda was still single > in the 1871 Census but we cannot find any trace of Martin & Matilda's > marriage, his birth or death record.

Hi Bill, I admire your ambition in setting out to identify a particular Hugh Thomas. That's a very popular name. Is it possible he was just the agent in perhaps Bristol who contracted the labour and sent them to Maryland? I have a then young ancestor (32) who newly widowed left the two children with family (I descend from one of them) and indentured himself in the same way from London for "Virginia or Maryland" (and disappeared) but it is a few decades later than your man. The person he is contracted to is fortunately well-recorded, he lived in London and his brother, Captain Hector MacNeal, Bristol-based, shipped the contractees to North America and the Caribbean. I read that Neal MacNeal's London clerks were lazy and used ditto marks too often so the cargo often went to different places from those apparently specified! (Though presumably as the individual contract specified.) Neal MacNeal must have had a very substantial business apparently founding a gentry family - ref. "Family papers of MacNeal of Tirfergus, Ugadale and Losset". All this MacNeal info through Google Books. Can anyone tell me the essential difference between contracting oneself for four years indentured labour in Maryland 1670 and say a four year contract 2008-2012 to work in, say, a hospital in Saudi Arabia? Are you sure Hugh Thomas was in Maryland? Best wishes David On 5/12/2008, at 6:31 AM, bill waathen wrote: > Hi Elizabeth, > > For sure that's the guy I'm researching. We pretty much have our > lineage on > him from his arrival at Port Tobacco, Md., in 1670, indentured to Hugh > Thomas for 3-4 years. John's history prior to landing in Md. is > still the > big mystery that I'm trying to resolve. John was indentured to Hugh > Thomas > Sept. 10, 1670, and sailed on the Francis and Mary from Bristol, > England to > Port Tobacco, Md. Where he lived and who his family was in Britain is > unknown to me at this time. I've searched the Bristol Records > office twice > for immigrants opting for servitude in the American colonies for the > period, > and what I've mentioned here is all that's showing. However, my > nose is > leading me to the Glamorgan, Wales, area, because that's where Hugh > Thomas > was from. Wish me luck and I thank you for your input. > > Have a good'ern, > > Bill

Hi Wendy, I had a look at the 1851 census you mentioned for James and Keziah SAMUELL/SANVELL. From there I looked for the births of the children and found that they were all registered (except Alfred, couldn't find his) as SUMRELL. So it would appear that Alfred in the 1851 census is not yours??? I found that an Alfred SUMRELL married in Sep Qtr 1859 in the registration district of Neath, which is where all his siblings births were registered. There was no Matilda BARNES on the same page. However I did find a marriage in Cheltenham in Dec Qtr 1876 for a Matilda Ann BARNES, and there was no other person on the page, so can't prove that it was your Alfred/Martin SAMUELS. I have been unable to find Alfred in any other census. See the www.freebmd.org registrations below. Hope this helps. Cheers Dallas Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page ------------------------------------------------- Births Dec 1843 ------------------------------------------------- SUMRELL James Neath 26 436 ------------------------------------------------- Births Mar 1846 ------------------------------------------------- Sumrell Theophilus Neath 26 448 ------------------------------------------------- Births Mar 1849 ------------------------------------------------- Sumrell Elizabeth Neath 26 483 ------------------------------------------------ Births Jun 1855 ------------------------------------------------ Sumrell John Neath 11a 447 ------------------------------------------------ Deaths Dec 1857 ------------------------------------------------ Sumrell Rezia Neath 11a 2_5 Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page ----------------------------------------------- Marriages Sep 1859 ----------------------------------------------- Davies David Neath 11a 589 Harris Mary Neath 11a 589 Jones Mary Ann Merthyr T 11a 589 Southern Martha Neath 11a 589 Sumrell Alfred Neath 11a 589 -----Original Message----- From: Howard [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, 4 December 2008 10:16 PM To: Gloucester Subject: [GLS] Samuels/Barnes Hello Gloucester Listers I am trying to trace my husbands great grandfather x2 Alfred/Martin Samuels. He makes only one official appearance (Martin Samuells) and that is in the 1881 Census for Claines, Worcester where it states he was born in Cardiff and is aged 42. His wife is Matilda (Barnes) born in Cheltenham 2/10/1849. They have one child Sydney born (Sidney Barnes Martin) 15/11/1876 in Claines. We can trace Matildas parents marriage in the parish church in Cheltenham in March 1849 and their deaths in 1882. We know that Matilda was still single in the 1871 Census but we cannot find any trace of Martin & Matilda's marriage, his birth or death record. By the 1891 Census Matilda is a widow. He appears as Martin on Sidney's birth certificate and on the two subsequent children's birth certificates. However, on Sidney's marriage certificate it just states 'deceased' under' Father's Name' and on his daughters marriage certificate is states 'Alfred Samuels Deceased. Also when Matilda dies in Kent in 1917 she is described as 'widow of Alfred Samuels'. Recently with guidance I found an Alfred Samuels aged 13 in the 1851 Wales Census living with his parents James and Keziah Samuels (both aged 32) and three other siblings. On Family History online the name has been transcribed as Samuell and on Ancestry. co as Sanvell It gives the birth county for Alfred and his parents as Gloucestershire! So can anybody help with the birth /marriage of James and Keziah and the birth of Alfred Samuels in Gloucestershire. Thanking you Wendy Samuels _____________________________________________ Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi David, Hugh Thomas was indeed a planter in early Md. He was married to an Ann Samuel. Hugh was born in Llanmadoc, Gla., Wales ca. 1634-1638 and died in Maryland in 1688. He had a son, Hugh, who went on to be a planter in Coastal Virginia. I would imagine that in the period that we're talking about, there were many "headhunters" , who, for a fee, would match up the agent's requirements for indentured help with those having certain trades or skills. It's been well documented in St. Mary's County, Md., early records, as well as Charles County, Md., early records, that in 1674, John WATHEN was given 50 acres of his own following four years of satisfactory servitude to Hugh Thomas. Whether those 50 acres were open land or part of Thomas's plantation is not known. Both practices were in place then. My ancestor John went on to buy more property and even was an agent for three men from Heref., as indentured servants. John eventually acquired much more acreage, mostly under tobacco, which he called WATHEN'S ADVENTURE. Over the years, the boundary between Charles County and St. Mary's County has changed a few times. That's why some records are found in each county today. Some late info I've received is giving me a hint to check out Llantwit Major, in the Vale of Glamorgan. Apparently the name WATHEN is quite common there, as it is in Heref., Gloucs., Pemb., and other areas near the English/Welsh border. Given that Hugh Thomas was from Llanmadoc, near Swansea, and given that the WATHEN name is not uncommon in that area as well (Llantwit Major), that will be the next area I explore. There is a blood connection between the WATHEN and DEERE families of Llantwit Major. Reportedly, the descendants of the DEERE's in that area had a famous descendant here in the States, John DEERE, who invented the farm tractor, altho' this has not been verified. I don't lay claim to any of the DEERE's, but there are wills from that family that mention relatives named WATHEN. As I understand English history of the period, when the head of an estate passed away, the estate, by default, went to the eldest son. The rest of the siblings got left-overs, if anything. Further, if debts were owed on the estate, the siblings would hire out as indentured servants for a given period of time to retire the debt. I have reason to believe that my John was by no means a pauper, he knew the value of hard work as evidenced by his success as a free man in Md. It's possible that his family was what is described as "minor gentry" of the period, given that the DEERE family is much described the same way. The WATHEN name does carry a Coat of Arms, not from one of those sites where one is invented for you, but the information comes from a respected genealogist in South Bend, Indiana, who has studied the family name for many, many years. In fact, it was her efforts that started me on this quest to find out more about John. On this side of the pond, we've been able to trace John's descendancy from his first marriage down to the present day. I'm merely curious as to where he came from, what is background was, etc. Finding and verifying that information would really round out the family history. Like you say, David, THOMAS is a very popular name, especially in Wales, where I understand it originated. If you're interested in finding out more about the chap who came to either Virginia or Maryland, you may want to check either the Maryland Gen Web Project, or the Virginia Gen Web project. As I say, my Hugh's son, Hugh, moved from Maryland to Virginia to become a large plantation owner there. Speaking of destinations, many indentures sailed from Bristol to the Caribbean, specifically to Barbados. Sometimes that was a stopping off place as part of the known trade routes. Throughout the Caribbean during that time there were many sugar plantations and that sugar was distilled into rum which was taken back to Britain and Europe. In the deep south, the Carolinas and Georgia, you'd find rice plantations, and in the Chesapeake Bay area (Maryland and Virginia) were the tobacco growers. Further up the coast toward the Massachussetts Bay Colony were the woolen mills. It was a great time for the maritime merchants. By around 1690, the practice of indenture went away when it was discovered that a plantation owner, regardless of what he was raising, could do better by buying slaves, and we know what that led to. If I can be of any help in helping you find your ancestor, please let me know. I'll find what I can and forward to you. Can you give me a little more to go on? The year he was indentured, etc? I'll dig up what I can for you. Best regards, bill wathen ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Daniell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [GLS] John WATHEN > Hi Bill, > > I admire your ambition in setting out to identify a particular Hugh > Thomas. That's a very popular name. Is it possible he was just the > agent in perhaps Bristol who contracted the labour and sent them to > Maryland? I have a then young ancestor (32) who newly widowed left > the two children with family (I descend from one of them) and > indentured himself in the same way from London for "Virginia or > Maryland" (and disappeared) but it is a few decades later than your man. > > The person he is contracted to is fortunately well-recorded, he lived > in London and his brother, Captain Hector MacNeal, Bristol-based, > shipped the contractees to North America and the Caribbean. I read > that Neal MacNeal's London clerks were lazy and used ditto marks too > often so the cargo often went to different places from those > apparently specified! (Though presumably as the individual contract > specified.) Neal MacNeal must have had a very substantial business > apparently founding a gentry family - ref. "Family papers of MacNeal > of Tirfergus, Ugadale and Losset". All this MacNeal info through > Google Books. > > Can anyone tell me the essential difference between contracting > oneself for four years indentured labour in Maryland 1670 and say a > four year contract 2008-2012 to work in, say, a hospital in Saudi > Arabia? > > Are you sure Hugh Thomas was in Maryland? > > Best wishes > David > > > On 5/12/2008, at 6:31 AM, bill waathen wrote: > >> Hi Elizabeth, >> >> For sure that's the guy I'm researching. We pretty much have our >> lineage on >> him from his arrival at Port Tobacco, Md., in 1670, indentured to Hugh >> Thomas for 3-4 years. John's history prior to landing in Md. is >> still the >> big mystery that I'm trying to resolve. John was indentured to Hugh >> Thomas >> Sept. 10, 1670, and sailed on the Francis and Mary from Bristol, >> England to >> Port Tobacco, Md. Where he lived and who his family was in Britain is >> unknown to me at this time. I've searched the Bristol Records >> office twice >> for immigrants opting for servitude in the American colonies for the >> period, >> and what I've mentioned here is all that's showing. However, my >> nose is >> leading me to the Glamorgan, Wales, area, because that's where Hugh >> Thomas >> was from. Wish me luck and I thank you for your input. >> >> Have a good'ern, >> >> Bill > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on > www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will > then be able to make contact. 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Hi Carolyn I have a brief mention of some of this family in my Tetburyfamilies database 1. SARAH [BIGNELL] was born 1806 in GLS. More About SARAH [BIGNELL]: Census: 1841, 35; Fox Hill, Tetbury, GLS Children of SARAH [BIGNELL] are: i. MARIA BIGNELL, b. 1834, GLS. More About MARIA BIGNELL: Census: 1841, 7; Fox Hill, Tetbury, GLS ii. WILLIAM BIGNELL, b. 1836, GLS; d. 1853, Tetbury, GLS (Source: 17yrs.). More About WILLIAM BIGNELL: Burial: 11 December 1853, St Marys, Tetbury, GLS Census: 1841, 5; Fox Hill, Tetbury, GLS iii. JOHN BIGNELL, b. 1840, GLS. More About JOHN BIGNELL: Census: 1841, 1; Fox Hill, Tetbury, GLS It would appear that Henry may have died prior to Sarah moving to Fox Hill, Tetbury. Does that seem to tie in with what you have already found? There seems to be no more mention within the following census year of 1851. HTH Lynne www.tetburyfamilies.co.uk Carolyn wrote: > Hello > > I am helping a friend who doesn't have a computer to research her family tree. > > Her family are the Bignells from Shipton Moyne. > > So far I have got back to Henry Bignell according to census was born in westonbirt about 1814 who married Sarah from Pinkney, Wilts and lived in Shipton Moyne with their children: Maria 1835,William 1836, John 1840,Francis 1844 and Joseph 1847 who married Fanny Gale and is her great grandfather. Joseph went to Bristol to live. > > We went to the church in Shipton Moyne and found some Bignell graves but cant place them with the family. I am happy to give these details to anyone researching the family. > > If anyone knows any more about Henry and Sarah that would be great. > > Carolyn > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.14/1829 - Release Date: 04/12/2008 14:59 > >

Hello I am helping a friend who doesn't have a computer to research her family tree. Her family are the Bignells from Shipton Moyne. So far I have got back to Henry Bignell according to census was born in westonbirt about 1814 who married Sarah from Pinkney, Wilts and lived in Shipton Moyne with their children: Maria 1835,William 1836, John 1840,Francis 1844 and Joseph 1847 who married Fanny Gale and is her great grandfather. Joseph went to Bristol to live. We went to the church in Shipton Moyne and found some Bignell graves but cant place them with the family. I am happy to give these details to anyone researching the family. If anyone knows any more about Henry and Sarah that would be great. Carolyn

From: bill waathen <[email protected]> Subject: [GLS] John WATHEN To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 9:28 AM > I'm looking for any information on John WATHEN, who came to Maryland as > an indentured servant to a Hugh THOMAS, in 1670, aboard the ship > "Francis and Mary" out of Bristol. Hi Bill, There were WATHENs in Bristol in the late 17th century. In September 1661, William WATHEN, a pinmaker of St. Thomas, was named as a Bondsman on a Bristol marriage licence bond. In September 1662, Philip WATHEN, a shoemaker of St. Nicholas, was named as Bondsman on a Bristol marriage licence bond. On 1st June 1771, Thomas OPE (likely to be OPIE) and Ellenor WATHEN widdow (sic) were married at the church of St. Augustine the Less, Bristol. In July 1677, there was a Bristol marriage licence bond for James WATHEN, a cooper, of St. Nicholas and Joane WATKINS of St. Stephen. In 1696 John WATHEN, servant, was living in Fisher Lane in the parish of St. Stephen. In 1696, Margaret WATHEN, servant, was living in the parish of St. Augustine. There are references to WATHEN and WATHENS in 'A Calendar of Wills proved in the Consistory Court (City and Deanery of Bristol Division) of the Bishop of Bristol 1572-1792', which was edited by Edward Alexander Fry and published in 1897. Philip WATHEN 1676 Jane WATHEN 1701 James WATHEN 1721 James WATHENS 1683 Josephine -- Josephine's Books, Ian's Pages, The Clutton 'Do' and the Glamorganshire Canal. http://www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

I am interested in the BLICK surname but not until much later. I am researching the ancestord of Elizabeth BLICK born abt 1678 at , Tardebigge, Worcesters; Elizabeth married Henry BROMFIELD 10 Feb 1703 probably in Worcestershire. Gary in Sunny Central Queensland. Genealogy Home Page - http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~liddellfamily/ --- On Tue, 2/12/08, barrie greentree <[email protected]> wrote: From: barrie greentree <[email protected]> Subject: [GLS] BLICK Family Looking for information re William James BLICK b. approx 1838 Gloucester. Martha HARRIS b. approx 1839-1840 wife, m. in 1861 in Westbury S. Two sons Arthur William Charles b. approx 1868 Wiltshire & Edward Henry George b. approx 1872 Wolverhampton.  The family came out to New Zealand in 1874 on the ship the "Soukar".  Elizabeth Sparks was William James BLICK'S mother, does anyone know which BLICK she married. Regards Diane Greentree Start your day with Yahoo!7 and win a Sony Bravia TV. Enter now http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/?p1=other&p2=au&p3=tagline

From: Gary Liddell <[email protected]> Subject: To: "barrie greentree" <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected] Received: Thursday, 4 December, 2008, 9:43 AM I am interested in the BLICK surname but not until much later. I am researching the ancestord of Elizabeth BLICK born abt 1678 at , Tardebigge, Worcester; Elizabeth married Henry BROMFIELD 10 Feb 1703 probably in Worcester. Gary in Sunny Central Queensland. Genealogy Home Page - http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~liddellfamily/ --- On Tue, 2/12/08, barrie greentree <[email protected]> wrote: From: barrie greentree <[email protected]> Subject: [GLS] BLICK Family To: [email protected] Received: Tuesday, 2 December, 2008, 10:19 PM Hi all Looking for information re William James BLICK b. approx 1838 Gloucester. Martha HARRIS b. approx 1839-1840 wife, m. in 1861 in Westbury S. Two sons Arthur William Charles b. approx 1868 Wiltshire & Edward Henry George b. approx 1872 Wolverhampton. The family came out to New Zealand in 1874 on the ship the "Soukar". Elizabeth Sparks was William James BLICK'S mother, does anyone know which BLICK she married. Regards Diane Greentree _____________________________________________ Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Start your day with Yahoo!7 and win a Sony Bravia TV. Enter now. Start your day with Yahoo!7 and win a Sony Bravia TV. Enter now http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/?p1=other&p2=au&p3=tagline

Hi Elizabeth, For sure that's the guy I'm researching. We pretty much have our lineage on him from his arrival at Port Tobacco, Md., in 1670, indentured to Hugh Thomas for 3-4 years. John's history prior to landing in Md. is still the big mystery that I'm trying to resolve. John was indentured to Hugh Thomas Sept. 10, 1670, and sailed on the Francis and Mary from Bristol, England to Port Tobacco, Md. Where he lived and who his family was in Britain is unknown to me at this time. I've searched the Bristol Records office twice for immigrants opting for servitude in the American colonies for the period, and what I've mentioned here is all that's showing. However, my nose is leading me to the Glamorgan, Wales, area, because that's where Hugh Thomas was from. Wish me luck and I thank you for your input. Have a good'ern, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Beckers" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [GLS] John WATHEN Ancestry lists a "Maryland Calendar of Wills" with a John Wathen, and the following info.: " Wathen, John, Chas. Co.,28th Feb., 1704-5; 10th July, 1705. T..." Further information is not listed yet. --- On Wed, 12/3/08, bill waathen <[email protected]> wrote: From: bill waathen <[email protected]> Subject: [GLS] John WATHEN To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 9:28 AM Hi Listers, I'm looking for any information on John WATHEN, who came to Maryland as an indentured servant to a Hugh THOMAS, in 1670, aboard the ship "Francis and Mary" out of Bristol. The emigrations from England and Wales in the 1600's of indentured servants were part of a settlement chartered by the Lords Baltimore. Those of us researching John WATHEN on this side of the pond have our lineage to John pretty well completed. Now begins the task of finding out John's origins either in England or Wales. Can anyone help? Thank you, Bill WATHEN Florida _____________________________________________ Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Gloucester Listers I am trying to trace my husbands great grandfather x2 Alfred/Martin Samuels. He makes only one official appearance (Martin Samuells) and that is in the 1881 Census for Claines, Worcester where it states he was born in Cardiff and is aged 42. His wife is Matilda (Barnes) born in Cheltenham 2/10/1849. They have one child Sydney born (Sidney Barnes Martin) 15/11/1876 in Claines. We can trace Matildas parents marriage in the parish church in Cheltenham in March 1849 and their deaths in 1882. We know that Matilda was still single in the 1871 Census but we cannot find any trace of Martin & Matilda's marriage, his birth or death record. By the 1891 Census Matilda is a widow. He appears as Martin on Sidney's birth certificate and on the two subsequent children's birth certificates. However, on Sidney's marriage certificate it just states 'deceased' under' Father's Name' and on his daughters marriage certificate is states 'Alfred Samuels Deceased. Also when Matilda dies in Kent in 1917 she is described as 'widow of Alfred Samuels'. Recently with guidance I found an Alfred Samuels aged 13 in the 1851 Wales Census living with his parents James and Keziah Samuels (both aged 32) and three other siblings. On Family History online the name has been transcribed as Samuell and on Ancestry. co as Sanvell It gives the birth county for Alfred and his parents as Gloucestershire! So can anybody help with the birth /marriage of James and Keziah and the birth of Alfred Samuels in Gloucestershire. Thanking you Wendy Samuels

Hi Janet Thanks for the research on looking for William James Blick on the census records. Will follow up on the marriage certificate. Many thanks again. Regards Diane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Booth" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 2:52 AM Subject: Re: [GLS] BLICK Family > Hello Diane, > > Not a lot of luck with the census records except that he gives his date of > birth as c1833 on the both the 1861/71 census records and place of birth > not > known on the 1861 but Westbury on the 1871. In the 1861 census of > Westbury > (RG9/1757, folio 50, page 4) both he and wife to be Martha are described > as > Visitors in the household of Samuel SLATTER, aged 59, Sawyer, born > Westbury > and his wife Ruth, aged 63, born Minchinhampton. If you purchase > William's > marriage certificate (marriage registered June qtr 1861 at Westbury on > Severn, vol 6a, page 389 according to FreeBMD) it should give you the name > & > occupation of his father. I can't find him with any certainty in either > 1841/51 census records. > > HTH > > Janet > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "barrie greentree" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:19 PM > Subject: [GLS] BLICK Family > > >> Hi all >> Looking for information re William James BLICK b. approx 1838 Gloucester. >> Martha HARRIS b. approx 1839-1840 wife, m. in 1861 in Westbury S. Two >> sons Arthur William Charles b. approx 1868 Wiltshire & Edward Henry >> George >> b. approx 1872 Wolverhampton. The family came out to New Zealand in 1874 >> on the ship the "Soukar". >> Elizabeth Sparks was William James BLICK'S mother, does anyone know which >> BLICK she married. >> Regards >> Diane Greentree >> _____________________________________________ >> >> Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on >> www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will >> then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your >> postem. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.13/1826 - Release Date: > 03/12/2008 > 09:34 > > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on > www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will > then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.10/1812 - Release Date: 25/11/2008 7:53 PM

Ancestry lists a "Maryland Calendar of Wills"  with a John Wathen,  and the following info.: "  Wathen, John, Chas. Co.,28th Feb., 1704-5; 10th July, 1705. T..."  Further information is not listed yet. --- On Wed, 12/3/08, bill waathen <[email protected]> wrote: From: bill waathen <[email protected]> Subject: [GLS] John WATHEN To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 9:28 AM Hi Listers, I'm looking for any information on John WATHEN, who came to Maryland as an indentured servant to a Hugh THOMAS, in 1670, aboard the ship "Francis and Mary" out of Bristol. The emigrations from England and Wales in the 1600's of indentured servants were part of a settlement chartered by the Lords Baltimore. Those of us researching John WATHEN on this side of the pond have our lineage to John pretty well completed. Now begins the task of finding out John's origins either in England or Wales. Can anyone help? Thank you, Bill WATHEN Florida _____________________________________________ Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Diane, Not a lot of luck with the census records except that he gives his date of birth as c1833 on the both the 1861/71 census records and place of birth not known on the 1861 but Westbury on the 1871. In the 1861 census of Westbury (RG9/1757, folio 50, page 4) both he and wife to be Martha are described as Visitors in the household of Samuel SLATTER, aged 59, Sawyer, born Westbury and his wife Ruth, aged 63, born Minchinhampton. If you purchase William's marriage certificate (marriage registered June qtr 1861 at Westbury on Severn, vol 6a, page 389 according to FreeBMD) it should give you the name & occupation of his father. I can't find him with any certainty in either 1841/51 census records. HTH Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "barrie greentree" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:19 PM Subject: [GLS] BLICK Family > Hi all > Looking for information re William James BLICK b. approx 1838 Gloucester. > Martha HARRIS b. approx 1839-1840 wife, m. in 1861 in Westbury S. Two > sons Arthur William Charles b. approx 1868 Wiltshire & Edward Henry George > b. approx 1872 Wolverhampton. The family came out to New Zealand in 1874 > on the ship the "Soukar". > Elizabeth Sparks was William James BLICK'S mother, does anyone know which > BLICK she married. > Regards > Diane Greentree > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on > www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will > then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.13/1826 - Release Date: 03/12/2008 09:34

Hi all Looking for information re William James BLICK b. approx 1838 Gloucester. Martha HARRIS b. approx 1839-1840 wife, m. in 1861 in Westbury S. Two sons Arthur William Charles b. approx 1868 Wiltshire & Edward Henry George b. approx 1872 Wolverhampton. The family came out to New Zealand in 1874 on the ship the "Soukar". Elizabeth Sparks was William James BLICK'S mother, does anyone know which BLICK she married. Regards Diane Greentree

Hi Listers, I'm looking for any information on John WATHEN, who came to Maryland as an indentured servant to a Hugh THOMAS, in 1670, aboard the ship "Francis and Mary" out of Bristol. The emigrations from England and Wales in the 1600's of indentured servants were part of a settlement chartered by the Lords Baltimore. Those of us researching John WATHEN on this side of the pond have our lineage to John pretty well completed. Now begins the task of finding out John's origins either in England or Wales. Can anyone help? Thank you, Bill WATHEN Florida

Hi John. Yes that's them, thanks. Tony. ----- Original Message ----- From: "JOHN EXCELL" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 8:56 AM Subject: [GLS] Re Dowdeswell > Hello Tony > > Horace Ernest Edgar Dowdeswell married Rosetta Truman at St Aldate > Gloucester 1911 > > Could this be yours > > John Excell > > visit Gloucestershire Family History Society's website > > http://www.gfhs.org.uk/index.html > > > > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on > www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will > then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Sue. Yes I would be interested at looking at them. Cheers. Tony JAMES, Ontario, Canada. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [GLS] William Dowdeswell >I have some old deed papers for my cottage in Whitminster Glos with the >name > Dowdeswell on them. Any interest? > Sue > _____________________________________________ > > Have you considered adding "postems" to "your" events on > www.freebmd.org.uk , giving your contact details? Other researchers will > then be able to make contact. Click on the info button to add your postem. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would like to thank all the people who respoded to my request, from the info supplied I was able to gleen a lot more information and also confirm some family lore names that were given to me. You are a great lot. Kindest Regards. Tony JAMES, in Snowy Wawa, Northern Ontario, Canada.