I am hoping someone can coach me about a strategy to find a marriage certificate for my great great grandparents when my own attempt did not succeed, see below. Having just been provided with an obituary from 1904 that a colleague found in Tarian y Gweithwyr and translated, I requested a marriage certificate from the GRO but was disappointed that they could not find the record. The obituary provided the bride's surname and the date of marriage, as follows: Mrs. Evans was born in Half Way House near Talley, Llandeilo, Carmarthenshire on September 15^th 1822.She was the daughter of John and Ann Jones, one of nine children.She joined the Baptist Chapel in Cwmifor near Llandeilo at the age of 18 -- during the tenure of Dd Griffith.She married D. R. Evans on November 12^th 1845 and they lived together as a happy family unit until 22^nd April 1898 when he, the head of the family, was stolen away by death. Her forename was spelled Elleanor in the obituary so I used that spelling even if I have also found it spelled Elinor or Eleanor. I gave his forename as David as I have been told that middle initials were uncommon in mid 19th century Wales even if he went by D. R. at life's end in Iowa, USA. As both were from Carmarthenshire, I gave their marriage place as Carmarthenshire but this is not certain. They were in Glamorganshire by 1851 or as early as 1847, see below. A "boarder" named Ann Jones age 72 was living with them in 1861 and was born in Talley. The obituary of David also gives 1845 as the date of marriage but I realize that people might not always relate the true year of their marriage. Of eight children, four lived to maturity and came with them to Iowa in 1868/9. Rees, the oldest of these, was born in 1851 and was followed by Ann, David and Margaret. Apparently they reused the names of two children who had not survived. In Aberdare christening, census and/or death records, I find evidence for an Ann born 1847 and died 1849 and a Margaret born 1849 and died 1858. Does this suggest that David's mother's name was Margaret? They did not appear to use the name of Elleanor's father for their sons and one does not know the name of David's parents. Should I extend the years beyond 1844-1846, change the place of marriage and/or alter the spelling of Elleanor or supply the initials of David? I was familiar with the old way that one searched for certs by quarter and could select the candidate name(s) and was surprised to find the new GRO service does not provide for this approach. Thanks for your thoughts, Mary

There is a David Evans marriage registered during the 4th quarter of 1845 where the possible partners include Eleanor Jones. The Registration District was Swansea (Glamorganshire) & the GRO reference vol.26, page 746. Stephen Emlyn-Jones -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mary JR Gilchrist Sent: 03 August 2013 14:05 To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: [Dyfed] Marriage Cert from GRO I am hoping someone can coach me about a strategy to find a marriage certificate for my great great grandparents when my own attempt did not succeed, see below. Having just been provided with an obituary from 1904 that a colleague found in Tarian y Gweithwyr and translated, I requested a marriage certificate from the GRO but was disappointed that they could not find the record. The obituary provided the bride's surname and the date of marriage, as follows: Mrs. Evans was born in Half Way House near Talley, Llandeilo, Carmarthenshire on September 15^th 1822.She was the daughter of John and Ann Jones, one of nine children.She joined the Baptist Chapel in Cwmifor near Llandeilo at the age of 18 -- during the tenure of Dd Griffith.She married D. R. Evans on November 12^th 1845 and they lived together as a happy family unit until 22^nd April 1898 when he, the head of the family, was stolen away by death. Her forename was spelled Elleanor in the obituary so I used that spelling even if I have also found it spelled Elinor or Eleanor. I gave his forename as David as I have been told that middle initials were uncommon in mid 19th century Wales even if he went by D. R. at life's end in Iowa, USA. As both were from Carmarthenshire, I gave their marriage place as Carmarthenshire but this is not certain. They were in Glamorganshire by 1851 or as early as 1847, see below. A "boarder" named Ann Jones age 72 was living with them in 1861 and was born in Talley. The obituary of David also gives 1845 as the date of marriage but I realize that people might not always relate the true year of their marriage. Of eight children, four lived to maturity and came with them to Iowa in 1868/9. Rees, the oldest of these, was born in 1851 and was followed by Ann, David and Margaret. Apparently they reused the names of two children who had not survived. In Aberdare christening, census and/or death records, I find evidence for an Ann born 1847 and died 1849 and a Margaret born 1849 and died 1858. Does this suggest that David's mother's name was Margaret? They did not appear to use the name of Elleanor's father for their sons and one does not know the name of David's parents. Should I extend the years beyond 1844-1846, change the place of marriage and/or alter the spelling of Elleanor or supply the initials of David? I was familiar with the old way that one searched for certs by quarter and could select the candidate name(s) and was surprised to find the new GRO service does not provide for this approach. Thanks for your thoughts, Mary ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Mary I would be inclined to go down the parish record route as you could spend a fortune on certificates and still not get the correct one. It is possible that the marriage record did not reach the GRO and is held by the local register office. The newspaper will have obtained information from family who may have only have thought that was the year of marriage. Maybe someone on the list will be able to help you with the parish record for the Chapel. Failing that you could contact Carmarthenshire Records office but they would probably charge for a search. Yvonne On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Stephen Emlyn-Jones < [email protected]> wrote: > There is a David Evans marriage registered during the 4th quarter of 1845 > where the possible partners include Eleanor Jones. > The Registration District was Swansea (Glamorganshire) & the GRO reference > vol.26, page 746. > Stephen Emlyn-Jones > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Mary JR Gilchrist > Sent: 03 August 2013 14:05 > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: [Dyfed] Marriage Cert from GRO > > I am hoping someone can coach me about a strategy to find a marriage > certificate for my great great grandparents when my own attempt did not > succeed, see below. > > Having just been provided with an obituary from 1904 that a colleague found > in Tarian y Gweithwyr and translated, I requested a marriage certificate > from the GRO but was disappointed that they could not find the record. The > obituary provided the bride's surname and the date of marriage, as follows: > > Mrs. Evans was born in Half Way House near Talley, Llandeilo, > Carmarthenshire on September 15^th 1822.She was the daughter of John and > Ann > Jones, one of nine children.She joined the Baptist Chapel in Cwmifor near > Llandeilo at the age of 18 -- during the tenure of Dd Griffith.She married > D. R. Evans on November 12^th 1845 and they lived together as a happy > family > unit until 22^nd April 1898 when he, the head of the family, was stolen > away > by death. > > > Her forename was spelled Elleanor in the obituary so I used that spelling > even if I have also found it spelled Elinor or Eleanor. I gave his > forename > as David as I have been told that middle initials were uncommon in mid 19th > century Wales even if he went by D. R. at life's end in Iowa, USA. As both > were from Carmarthenshire, I gave their marriage place as Carmarthenshire > but this is not certain. They were in > Glamorganshire by 1851 or as early as 1847, see below. A "boarder" > named Ann Jones age 72 was living with them in 1861 and was born in Talley. > > The obituary of David also gives 1845 as the date of marriage but I realize > that people might not always relate the true year of their > marriage. Of eight children, four lived to maturity and came with them > to Iowa in 1868/9. Rees, the oldest of these, was born in 1851 and was > followed by Ann, David and Margaret. Apparently they reused the names of > two children who had not survived. In Aberdare christening, census and/or > death records, I find evidence for an Ann born 1847 and died > 1849 and a Margaret born 1849 and died 1858. Does this suggest that > David's mother's name was Margaret? They did not appear to use the name of > Elleanor's father for their sons and one does not know the name of David's > parents. > > Should I extend the years beyond 1844-1846, change the place of marriage > and/or alter the spelling of Elleanor or supply the initials of David? > I was familiar with the old way that one searched for certs by quarter and > could select the candidate name(s) and was surprised to find the new GRO > service does not provide for this approach. > > Thanks for your thoughts, > Mary > > > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

A search on FReebmd shows : Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Dec 1845 (>99%) Jones Eleanor Swansea 26 746 EVANS David Swansea 26 746 Dec 1845 SWANSEA (The district Swansea spans the boundaries of the counties of Glamorgan and West Glamorgan) Erin -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mary JR Gilchrist Sent: 03 August 2013 21:05 To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: [GLA] Marriage Cert from GRO I am hoping someone can coach me about a strategy to find a marriage certificate for my great great grandparents when my own attempt did not succeed, see below. Having just been provided with an obituary from 1904 that a colleague found in Tarian y Gweithwyr and translated, I requested a marriage certificate from the GRO but was disappointed that they could not find the record. The obituary provided the bride's surname and the date of marriage, as follows: Mrs. Evans was born in Half Way House near Talley, Llandeilo, Carmarthenshire on September 15^th 1822.She was the daughter of John and Ann Jones, one of nine children.She joined the Baptist Chapel in Cwmifor near Llandeilo at the age of 18 -- during the tenure of Dd Griffith.She married D. R. Evans on November 12^th 1845 and they lived together as a happy family unit until 22^nd April 1898 when he, the head of the family, was stolen away by death. Her forename was spelled Elleanor in the obituary so I used that spelling even if I have also found it spelled Elinor or Eleanor. I gave his forename as David as I have been told that middle initials were uncommon in mid 19th century Wales even if he went by D. R. at life's end in Iowa, USA. As both were from Carmarthenshire, I gave their marriage place as Carmarthenshire but this is not certain. They were in Glamorganshire by 1851 or as early as 1847, see below. A "boarder" named Ann Jones age 72 was living with them in 1861 and was born in Talley. The obituary of David also gives 1845 as the date of marriage but I realize that people might not always relate the true year of their marriage. Of eight children, four lived to maturity and came with them to Iowa in 1868/9. Rees, the oldest of these, was born in 1851 and was followed by Ann, David and Margaret. Apparently they reused the names of two children who had not survived. In Aberdare christening, census and/or death records, I find evidence for an Ann born 1847 and died 1849 and a Margaret born 1849 and died 1858. Does this suggest that David's mother's name was Margaret? They did not appear to use the name of Elleanor's father for their sons and one does not know the name of David's parents. Should I extend the years beyond 1844-1846, change the place of marriage and/or alter the spelling of Elleanor or supply the initials of David? I was familiar with the old way that one searched for certs by quarter and could select the candidate name(s) and was surprised to find the new GRO service does not provide for this approach. Thanks for your thoughts, Mary -- To send to the list send to [email protected] GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html - This site has been prepared to help you use the Glamorgan List http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ - A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message