----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Coleman" <[email protected]> To: "Jeff & Jolynn Barneck" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 12:21 AM Subject: Re: [GLA] Puzzle in the John FORD family > Of course not all baptisms are or were infant baptisms. If Clara Emily > was aged 13 when baptised, that might make sense as 13 would be the sort > of age for confirmation classes, and she could not have been confirmed > unless already baptised. On the image of the baptism register there is a > clear A next to this and a number of other entries baptised on the same > day by the Rector, showing Adult baptism. > > One of the other people baptised at the same time, with a distinctive > name, was also born in 1882. It does look like the members of a > confirmation class. > > It does say Gertrude is a granddaughter in 1901 census. She could have > been a child of Florence or Walter, and presumably the grandparents > effectively adopted her. > > Jeff > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff & Jolynn Barneck" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 10:24 PM > Subject: [GLA] Puzzle in the John FORD family > > >> First may I again say thank you to those of you who are willing to look >> through old newspapers or check census records or several other things >> for people who are not YOUR family. Thanks, Dai, for the information >> about the Cardiff Times and the newspaper article for Alfred Evan FORD. >> >> Now I have come across a puzzle that perhaps can be solved by those with >> much experience in looking for things in the past. A brother of Alfred's >> named John FORD who married Mary Ann BECK 14 September 1872 in Penarth >> St. Augustine Parish had five children, according to family records. Our >> family records show FLORENCE born 25 Oct. 1873 in Cardiff; >> WALTER JOHN born 25 Jun. 1875 in Cardiff; >> ELIZABETH ANN born 29 Jan. 1879 in Cardiff; >> another ELIZABETH ANN born 31 Oct. 1881 in Cardiff; >> and >> CLARA EMILY born 13 Nov. 1882 in Cardiff. >> >> I have found three of these children on the census records. In the 1891 >> census the is Florence, age 17; Walter C-F-J, age 15; and Clara E., age >> 8. On the 1901 cenus I found John, age 54; Mary Ann, age 49; Clara Emily, >> age 18; and Gertrude Mary, age 5. Someone I asked to look at the census >> thinks the relationship for Gertrude is granddaughter; but I can't tell >> for sure. >> >> Clara Emily became married to William Henry Chamberlain on 8 April 1901 >> in Canton Parish, probably right after the census was taken. When I was >> looking on the Index of Glamorgan Baptisms made by the Glamorgan Family >> History Society for baptismal records for their children, I found Doris, >> baptized 27 Feb. 1902; William Ford, baptized 25 July 1906; and Clifford >> Henry, baptized 18 June 1908--all in the Canton Parish while they were >> living either at 35 or 27 Leckwith Road. The 1911 census lists only >> these children--Doris, age 9; William Ford, age 5; and Clifford Henry, >> age 3. (The age span between Doris and William Ford might indicate >> another child might have been born and died.) >> >> The puzzle became apparent when I was looking at the baptism record for >> Doris on 27 Feb. 1902 in Canton. Right below the listing for her was a >> listing for Gertrude Mary, d of John and Mary Ann FORD!! That's what >> made me look at the 1901 census record showing John and Mary Ann. Again >> that seems to show her as a granddaughter; but the baptismal record gives >> NO indication of that kind of relationship. >> >> Furthermore, when I was trying to figure out what was going on with >> Gertrude Mary , I discovered a listing for another Clara Emily, baptized >> 1895 in Canton St. John, Glamorgan, Wales, whose parents are John and >> Mary Ann FORD. The parents are living at 27 Leckwith Road, which is >> their residence listed for the 1901 census and the baptismal record of >> Gertrude in 1902. >> >> I am familiar with the practice of having a child die and naming the next >> child of the same gender as the deceased child with the same name as the >> dead child. But since Clara Emily lived and in fact got married, etc., >> it seems like something is rather strange here. >> >> CAN ANY OF YOU HELP ME FIGURE THIS OUT? Please and Thank you. >> >> JoLynn Barneck