I have been trying to find connections of relatives in Penarth, Wales, specifically Alfred Evan FORD, born about 1853, and a wife. In the 1881 Census he is listed as being the head of household in an index I found. But no spouse is listed. There is a marriage for him on freebmd in the March Quarter of 1881, Cardiff District, Vol 11a, page 307. On the same page is a listing for Hannah SADLER. I have found a Hannah SADLER in the 1871 Census showing her as age 10. A baptismal record for Hannah SADLER in Penarth Parish shows a date of 18 September 1861. That would make her eight years younger than Alfred Evan--not an impossible difference in ages. Does anyone have access to the Penarth Parish records in 1881 to see if there is a marriage record for Alfred Evan FORD, whose parents are William Dallen and Ann FORD, with Hannah SADLER or anyone else? I would really appreciate the help, if it's available. Thank you. JoLynn Barneck

JoLynn, I cannot find a marriage, but in 1891, at 12 John St., Penarth, there are: FORD, Alfred E Head Married M 37 Boatman born Cardiff FORD, Hannah Wife Married F 29 born Penarth FORD, Florence Daughter F 3 born Penarth RG12/ 4402 /141 p53. Flory FORD , parents Alfred Evan and Annie was baptised 25 Aug 1887 at Penarth. Dai On 02/09/2013 03:08, Jeff & Jolynn Barneck wrote: > I have been trying to find connections of relatives in Penarth, Wales, specifically Alfred Evan FORD, born about 1853, and a wife. In the 1881 Census he is listed as being the head of household in an index I found. But no spouse is listed. There is a marriage for him on freebmd in the March Quarter of 1881, Cardiff District, Vol 11a, page 307. On the same page is a listing for Hannah SADLER. > > I have found a Hannah SADLER in the 1871 Census showing her as age 10. A baptismal record for Hannah SADLER in Penarth Parish shows a date of 18 September 1861. That would make her eight years younger than Alfred Evan--not an impossible difference in ages. > > Does anyone have access to the Penarth Parish records in 1881 to see if there is a marriage record for Alfred Evan FORD, whose parents are William Dallen and Ann FORD, with Hannah SADLER or anyone else? I would really appreciate the help, if it's available. > > Thank you. > > JoLynn Barneck > > > >

1881 census at 17 John Street (second household at that address) Penarth Alfred Ford Head Mar 26 Fireman on P.S.Ship b Glamorgan,Cardiff Annie Ford Wife Mar 19 b Glamorgan Penarth You will recall that there were two other names on the same GRO ref number in March 1881 marriages, William Henry Pearn and Emma Jane Sadler, besides Alfred Evan Ford and Hannah Sadler at 65 Glebe Street Penarth William Sadler Head Mar 49 Fishmonger b Monmouth sea mor hill [sic] Jane Sadler Wife Mar 46 b Monmouth Newport Mary A. Sadler dau unm 14 domestic servant b Glamorgan Penarth Nelly Sadler dau unm 13 domestic servant b Glamorgan Penarth Jessie Sadler dau unm 11 scholar b Glamorgan Penarth William J Sadler son unm 10 scholar b Glamorgan Penarth Charles H Sadler son unm 7 scholar b Glamorgan Penarth Benjamin R Sadler son unm 4 scholar b Glamorgan Penarth William H Pearne son-in-law Mar 21 House Carpenter b Cornwall Truro Emma J Pearne daughter Mar 21 b Glamorgan Penarth It looks as if Emma Jane and Hannah (alias Annie) may have had a double wedding. Looking back at the 1871 census, William Sadler was an Innkeeper in John Street, Penarth, b Monmouth,Caldicot and his wife Jane b Monmouth,Kingston Combining the two censuses, they seem to have had at least 7 girls (Emma Jane number 2 and Hannah/Annie number 3) and then three boys. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dai & Angela Bevan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 7:04 AM Subject: Re: [GLA] Alfred Evan FORD and Hannah SADLER > JoLynn, > I cannot find a marriage, but in 1891, at 12 John St., Penarth, there are: > > FORD, Alfred E Head Married M 37 Boatman born Cardiff > FORD, Hannah Wife Married F 29 born Penarth > FORD, Florence Daughter F 3 born Penarth > > RG12/ 4402 /141 p53. > > Flory FORD , parents Alfred Evan and Annie was baptised 25 Aug 1887 at > Penarth. > > > Dai > > On 02/09/2013 03:08, Jeff & Jolynn Barneck wrote: >> I have been trying to find connections of relatives in Penarth, Wales, >> specifically Alfred Evan FORD, born about 1853, and a wife. In the 1881 >> Census he is listed as being the head of household in an index I found. >> But no spouse is listed. There is a marriage for him on freebmd in the >> March Quarter of 1881, Cardiff District, Vol 11a, page 307. On the same >> page is a listing for Hannah SADLER. >> >> I have found a Hannah SADLER in the 1871 Census showing her as age 10. A >> baptismal record for Hannah SADLER in Penarth Parish shows a date of 18 >> September 1861. That would make her eight years younger than Alfred >> Evan--not an impossible difference in ages. >> >> Does anyone have access to the Penarth Parish records in 1881 to see if >> there is a marriage record for Alfred Evan FORD, whose parents are >> William Dallen and Ann FORD, with Hannah SADLER or anyone else? I would >> really appreciate the help, if it's available. >> >> Thank you. >> >> JoLynn Barneck >> >> >> >> > > -- > > To send to the list send to [email protected] > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > This site has been prepared to help you use the Glamorgan List > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be > found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi JoLynn You say that you found Alfred Evan FORD in an 1881 index, but not his spouse. You don't say if you've found them in later years, so I've had a look. The following family appears to be the same as Dai found in 1891: 1881 RG11 Piece 5289 Folio 7 Page 9 Sch 43 17 John Street, Penarth, Glamorgan Alfred FORD, Head, Mar, 26, Fireman on S S Ship, b Glamorgan Cardiff Annie FORD, Wife, Mar, 19, b Glamorgan Penarth 1901 RG13 Piece 4989 Folio 17 Page 25 Sch 145 Alfred E FORD, Head, M, 46, Licensed Boatman (Barge), b Glamorgan Penarth Hannah FORD, Wife, M, 39, b Glamorgan Penarth Florence FORD, Daur, S, 13, Nurse Maid Domestic, b Glamorgan Penarth Deaths Alfred Evan FORD, 51yrs, Apr-Jun 1906, Cardiff 11a 227 Hannah FORD, 44yrs, Jul-Sep 1906, Cardiff 11a 194 Hope this helps, Ann -----Original Message----- From: Jeff & Jolynn Barneck Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 3:08 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [GLA] Alfred Evan FORD and Hannah SADLER I have been trying to find connections of relatives in Penarth, Wales, specifically Alfred Evan FORD, born about 1853, and a wife. In the 1881 Census he is listed as being the head of household in an index I found. But no spouse is listed. There is a marriage for him on freebmd in the March Quarter of 1881, Cardiff District, Vol 11a, page 307. On the same page is a listing for Hannah SADLER. I have found a Hannah SADLER in the 1871 Census showing her as age 10. A baptismal record for Hannah SADLER in Penarth Parish shows a date of 18 September 1861. That would make her eight years younger than Alfred Evan--not an impossible difference in ages. Does anyone have access to the Penarth Parish records in 1881 to see if there is a marriage record for Alfred Evan FORD, whose parents are William Dallen and Ann FORD, with Hannah SADLER or anyone else? I would really appreciate the help, if it's available. Thank you. JoLynn Barneck