My thanks for all the explanations into That place, who's name now escapes me? [senior moment!]   Anyway thanks to all.   I had a gander at the "Free Reg;"site,and found Michaelston-y-fedw had been done,and found a likely candidate of our Charles CROSS. This one was baptised 23 august 1785 there,the son of William and Ceicel CROSS.   I then searched for a Marriage of William and his wife,and found it in Rudry. Thus:- William CROSS,of Michealston -y-Fedw, married to Cicely HARRIS,otp; 8 may 1765. The Christian name of "William" incidently,was the name of Charles & Susana's eldest male child. I am now on the lookout for the Marriage of Charles CROSS to Susanna in Glamorgan or Monmouthshire pre 1837. William,above,was born about 1837 in Llanedyrn.  His mother Susanna was born about 1802 in Whitchurch. Although I couldn't find their marriage on the pre 1837 Glamorganshire marriages on Microfiche. Cheers Graham. Graham Williams, Glam;FHS# 551. of Canton,Cardiff.