Greetings to all. That was a close shave! I didn't need to splash out on a Marriage or Birth Certificate after. So Saved myself some cash. From further information from my Cousin's family,we are now certain that the family we are after is the one that was in 28,Albany Street,Miskin,Mountain Ash Glam;for the 1911 census. The head of the household being Isaac CROSS who was aged 31 in 1911 born at Ynyshir,Glam;   I then found him in 1881 aged 1 with his parents and siblings at 193 Dinas Concrete,Llantrisant,Glam; His parents being Benjamin CROSS and Louisa,[nee WILLIAMS,married  at Pontypridd district in 1869.]   Benjamin was born in Cardiff according to the 1881 census. There was a Birth Registration for a possible candidate, in one who was born in the September Quarter of 1841 in Cardiff. I then found on Family Search,one who was born at Eglwysilan in about 1841.   He wasn't in Cardiff however in the 1851,and I found him as a Servant,or "Carter"at Julians Farm Llanedyrn aged 18 in 1861.   Getting back to Isaac CROSS. He married Mary BURT also spelt BIRT[on Free BMD;]in Cardiff September quarter of 1907. She was born in Cardiff in about 1884.   So Lookups need for the CROSS's in the 1841,51 censuses. Ditto for the BURT's   Louisa WILLIAMS above was born in Machen in about 1847. In the index for the 1851 census there was one aged 4 in Machen,Monmouthshire.   Cheers Graham. Graham Williams, Glam;FHS# 551. of Canton,Cardiff.

Hi Graham The following entries look promising for the families of Isaac CROSS, Louisa WILLIAMS and Mary BURT. 1841 HO107 Piece 1414 Book 2 ED8 Folio 16 Page 3 Eglwysilan, Caerphilly, Glamorgan Charles CROSS, 50, Ag Lab, Y Susanah CROSS, 40, Y Isaac CROSS, 10, Y Ann CROSS, 9, Y William CROSS, 5, Y Edward CROSS, 3, Y 1851 HO107 Piece 2454 Folio 173 Page 11 Sch 42 Rudry, Caerphilly, Glamorgan Charles CROSS, Head, Mar, 69, Labourer, b Glam Lanvedaw(?) Susana CROSS, Wife, Mar, 49, b Glam Whitchurch William CROSS, Son, 14, b Glam Lanvedaw(?) Edward CROSS, Son, 12, b Monmouth Machen Benjamin CROSS, Son, 10, b Glam Eglwysilan Isaac CROSS, Son, 6, b Glam Eglwysilan 1841 HO107 Piece 751 Book 2 ED25 Folio 17 Page 10 Machen Upper, Mynyddyslwyn, Newport, Monmouth Joseph WILLIAMS, 30, Labourer, Y Mary WILLIAMS, 30, Y Ann WILLIAMS, 9months, Y 1851 HO107 Piece 2453 Folio 537 Page 42 Sch 151 Upper Machen, Newport, Monmouth Joseph WILLIAMS, Head, Mar, 43, Labourer, b Bedwas Mon Mary WILLIAMS, Wife, Mar, 43, b Machen Mon Ann WILLIAMS, Daur, 11, b Machen Mon Sarah WILLIAMS, Daur, 7, b Machen Mon Harriet WILLIAMS, Daur, 5, b Machen Mon Louisa WILLIAMS, Daur, 4, b Machen Mon Jacob WILLIAMS, Son, 1, b Machen Mon 1861 RG9 Piece 4027 Folio 84 Page 22 Sch 122 Upper Machen, Mynyddyslwyn, Newport, Mon Henry HARRIS, Head, Mar, 70, Wood Cutter, b Upper Machen Mon Mary HARRIS, Wife, Mar, 65, b Upper Machen Mon Joseph WILLIAMS, Visitor, Mar, 53, Ag Lab, b Bedwas Mon 1871 RG10 Piece 5353 Folio 73 Page 1 Sch 4 Upper Bedwas, Mynyddyslwyn, Newport, Mon John MORGAN, Head, Mar, 29, Coal Tipper, b Raglan Mon Sarah MORGAN, Wife, Mar, 28, b Bedwas Mon Jacob MORGAN, Son, 3, b Bedwas Mon Joseph WILLIAMS, Lodger, Widower, 62, Labourer, b Bedwas Mon Cinderella WILLIAMS, Granddau, 3, b Bedwas Mon 1881 RG11 Piece 5274 Folio 54 Page 67 Sch 329 Upper Machen, Mynyddyslwyn, Newport, Mon Jane HARRIES, Head, Wid, 73, b Mon Machen Joseph WILLIAMS, Boarder, Wid, 73, b Mon Myny..... William LEWIS, Lodger, Wid, 35, Labourer Tin Works, b Mon Bedwas 1881 RG11 Piece 5284 Folio 131 Page 30 Sch 135 69 Elm St, Roath, Cardiff, Glamorgan Alfred BURT, Head, Mar, 36, Painter, b Somerset Bath Margaret BURT, Wife, Mar, 33, b Pembroke Haverfordwest Charles BURT, Son, 12, Scholar, b Glamorgan Cardiff Harriett BURT, Daur, 10, Scholar, b Glamorgan Cardiff Thomas BURT, Son, 8, Scholar, b Glamorgan Cardiff Jane BURT, Daur, 6, Scholar, b Glamorgan Cardiff William BURT, Son, 3, b Glamorgan Cardiff Samuel BURT, Father, Mar, 73, Boot Closer, b Somerset Bath Mary BURT, Mother, Mar, 66, b Somerset Bath William BURT, Brother, Unm, 30, News agent, b Somerset Bath Joseph BURT, Brother, Unm, 28, Shoemaker, b Somerset Bath 1891 RG12 Piece 4385 Folio 104 Page 32 Sch 181 33 Daniel St, Cathays, Cardiff, Glamorgan Alfred BURT, Head, Mar, 47, Painter and Paper Hanger, b Bath Margaret BURT, Wife, Mar, 43, b Portfield Pembrokeshire Missy BURT, Daur, S, 21, b Cardiff Thomas BURT, Son, S, 18, Painter and Paper Hanger, b Cardiff Jenny BURT,Daur, S, 16, b Cardiff William BURT, Son, S, 13, b Cardiff Rose BURT, Daur, 9, b Cardiff Mary BURT,Daur, 7, b Cardiff Elizabeth BURT, Daur, 7, b Cardiff Samuel BURT, Son, 4, b Cardiff Alfred BURT, Son, 3, b Cardiff Maggie BURT, Daur, 2, b Cardiff 1901 RG13 Piece 4977 Folio 13 Page 18 Sch 114 29 Manor St, Cathays, Cardiff, Glamorgan Alfred BURT, Head, Mar, 56, House Painter, b Glos Bath Margaret BURT, Wife, Mar, 53, b Pembrokeshire Haverfordwest Thomas BURT, Son, S, 28, House Painter, b Glam Cardiff William BURT, Son, S, 23, House Painter, b Glam Cardiff Samuel BURT, Son, S, 15, Apprentice Painter, b Glam Cardiff Alfred BURT, Son, S, 13, b Glam Cardiff Mary BURT, Daur, S, 16, b Glam Cardiff Maggie BURT, Daur, S, 12, b Glam Cardiff Nellie BURT, Daur, S, 9, b Glam Cardiff Harriett STEVENS, Daur, Mar, 31, b Glam Cardiff Fred STEVENS, Gr son, S, 3, b Glam Cardiff Phillipa STEVENS, Gr daur, S, 6, b Glam Cardiff I'll look for the BURT family on earlier census returns later. Hope this helps. Ann -----Original Message----- From: Robert Williams Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 5:57 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [GLA] CROSS of Eglwysilan. Greetings to all. That was a close shave! I didn't need to splash out on a Marriage or Birth Certificate after. So Saved myself some cash. >From further information from my Cousin's family,we are now certain that >the family we are after is the one that was in 28,Albany Street,Miskin,Mountain Ash Glam;for the 1911 census. The head of the household being Isaac CROSS who was aged 31 in 1911 born at Ynyshir,Glam; I then found him in 1881 aged 1 with his parents and siblings at 193 Dinas Concrete,Llantrisant,Glam; His parents being Benjamin CROSS and Louisa,[nee WILLIAMS,married at Pontypridd district in 1869.] Benjamin was born in Cardiff according to the 1881 census. There was a Birth Registration for a possible candidate, in one who was born in the September Quarter of 1841 in Cardiff. I then found on Family Search,one who was born at Eglwysilan in about 1841. He wasn't in Cardiff however in the 1851,and I found him as a Servant,or "Carter"at Julians Farm Llanedyrn aged 18 in 1861. Getting back to Isaac CROSS. He married Mary BURT also spelt BIRT[on Free BMD;]in Cardiff September quarter of 1907. She was born in Cardiff in about 1884. So Lookups need for the CROSS's in the 1841,51 censuses. Ditto for the BURT's Louisa WILLIAMS above was born in Machen in about 1847. In the index for the 1851 census there was one aged 4 in Machen,Monmouthshire. Cheers Graham. Graham Williams, Glam;FHS# 551. of Canton,Cardiff.