The 1861 family in Merthyr, at 24 Well Street, Dowlais, is composed of William Lawler 38 Lab in Iron Works, b Ireland, his wife Mary 37, Lab in Iron Works and wife keeping house, b Ireland, son John,12, b Ireland, and Denis Murphy, boarder, 27,Fireman, b Ireland, his wife Elizabeth, 25, b Ireland and their daughter Ann 2 b Dowlais. Dowlais was the area of Merthyr where the largest concentration of Irish people was. I notice that in 1861 Hugh is shown as son of Jessie Lawler, 37, 'engineer's wife' b Ireland. Given the location in Shadwell and the occupations nearby this would seem quite possibly to be and engineer, engineman or fireman on a steamship, away at sea. I do wonder whether career progression from an excavator (that is a navvy, a pick-and-shovel man) to an 'engineer' on a ship is likely, and whether in fact these are two different families. Of course the birth certificates of Hugh's younger siblings Stephen (can't find registration) and James (registered June 1860 in Stepney district) will give the mother's maiden name and possibly previous married name. Penarth would make sense for a mariner's family, and Newport would be the most obvious location in Monmouthshire for mariners. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clare Dubay via" <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> To: <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 10:29 AM Subject: [GLA] Lawler family >I am sending this request to both the Glamorgan and Monmouthshire List. > > Currently I am researching an Irish Catholic family named Lawler, who > spent > approximately 10 years in Wales after leaving Ireland: that was before > they > moved on to London, South Africa, New Zealand and eventually, Australia. > Having hit the 'brick wall' with my research in Wales, I am hoping that > someone can give me some more help. (I have had good leads from the list > before.) > > James and Esther (Essie) Lawler appear on the 1851 census of Cwmdare, > living > at Penywaun with their sons Michael, 5 (born in Dublin) and John, 2 born > in > Aberdare. James is described as an 'excavator of iron mine'. > > I am very keen to find a record of the next son born, Hugh, as this was my > grandfather: Hugh was probably born in 1854, possibly in Monmouthshire. I > cannot find any record of his birth or christening. On his marriage > certificate, it states that Hugh was born in Penrith, Wales. I assume > this > to be a misrepresentation of Penarth: are there any other possibilities? > > Being RC, it follows that John and Hugh were christened soon after birth. > Following on from information given to me previously, I have been looking > for baptism records from the few RC churches in Glamorgan and > Monmouthshire > at the time, but with no luck so far. > > Would there be any school records that I could search for Michael? > > Would there be any records of employment available to search? > > The family had moved on to London by the end of 1856. But I can find no > record of father James, and the two eldest sons, Michael and John, on the > 1861 census in London. I did find a John Sawlor on the Glamorgan census > of > that year. In the registration district of Merthyr Tydfil, parish of > Merthyr Tydfil, sub-district Merthyr Tydfil, there is 12 year old John > Sawlor. Could somebody please identify the rest of the household for me? > > I would be grateful for any suggestions that you can make, as I am running > out of ideas. > > Thanking you > > Clare in Victoria, Australia > > > > -- > > To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > > A web site has been prepared to help you use the Glamorgan List > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ > > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be > found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message