Thank you Jeff for identifying John Sawler. I thought I had a Lawler there, but unfortunately, he is not of my immediate family. After moving to London three more sons were born to James Patrick and Esther (Essie) Lawler; they were twins, Thomas and Joseph, and youngest son James. Joseph died in his first year. I cannot explain the record on the 1861 census which shows Stephen when it should say Thomas; but I am sure that this is my (J)Essie with 7 year old Hugh, 4 year old Thomas and 1 year old James. I have looked in vain for the older children and their father, as I assumed that they were away working. But I never thought to look to the sea!! I wonder if the term 'engineer' could have different connotations in those days? This could also be an explanation for why I have not been able to find any further record of Michael after the 1851 census (when he was 5), as I know that he was still alive at the time of his mother's death in 1891. (I have managed to get a wealth of research from the other four surviving sons, but not one word on Michael.) Thanks again, your reply has given me much to think about Clare

Back in the day Clare engineer meant someone who tended an engine even if some were stationary engineers -smile. Your missing man might have been using his middle name - in my tree I have lots who use a name I didn't know they had. And if I luck out and find a place where they indexed death records and said death record has parents names I can find them in the census and other records. I hope he shows up that way Eliz Not Today and Not without a Fight (Anon) For all that has been, thanks. For all that will be, yes. (Dag Hammarskjold) On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 4:00 AM, Clare Dubay via <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Thank you Jeff for identifying John Sawler. I thought I had a Lawler there, > but unfortunately, he is not of my immediate family. > > After moving to London three more sons were born to James Patrick and Esther > (Essie) Lawler; they were twins, Thomas and Joseph, and youngest son James. > Joseph died in his first year. > > I cannot explain the record on the 1861 census which shows Stephen when it > should say Thomas; but I am sure that this is my (J)Essie with 7 year old > Hugh, 4 year old Thomas and 1 year old James. I have looked in vain for the > older children and their father, as I assumed that they were away working. > But I never thought to look to the sea!! > > I wonder if the term 'engineer' could have different connotations in those > days? > > This could also be an explanation for why I have not been able to find any > further record of Michael after the 1851 census (when he was 5), as I know > that he was still alive at the time of his mother's death in 1891. (I have > managed to get a wealth of research from the other four surviving sons, but > not one word on Michael.) > > Thanks again, your reply has given me much to think about > > Clare > > > > -- > > To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > > A web site has been prepared to help you use the Glamorgan List > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ > > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message