Jeff he was with his parents in 1871, father Peter and mother Catherine also in 1861 Eliz Not Today and Not without a Fight (Anon) For all that has been, thanks. For all that will be, yes. (Dag Hammarskjold) On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 6:47 AM, Jeff Coleman <Jeff.Coleman@ntlworld.com> wrote: > In 1911 census they appear as GARDNER at 18 Bryntaf, Aberfan, Merthyr Vale > > Peter gave his age as 51, and he was a Coal Miner Hewer. There follows an > extra piece which has been crossed through "unable to work through ill > health over the years" > > Elizabeth gave her age as 50, born Swansea, an it is shown that they had > been married for 29 years and had had 14 children, of whom 12 were living > and two had died. Curiously, it is clear they had originally put down 15 > children, but this has been amended. > > 10 of the children were living with them, in a house shown as having '5 > rooms + 1 room used as small shop'. > Those at home were William 25, Thomas John 23, John 21, all shown as Coal > Miner Hewer, > Charlotte 20, Elizabeth 18, Francis 12, Sarah 11, Ellen 9, Margaret 7 and > Daniel 5. Francis and Sarah were shown as 'At school' but the words 'At > school' had been crossed out for the three youngest children. > > Presumably Lydia and Jane had died, married or moved away. > Lydia appears to have married, as Lydia Gardner, in December quarter 1904 > either to John O'Brien or William Henry Rees. See www.FreeBMD.org.uk for > details. As Lydia was one of the eldest, the name of her father shown on > her marriage certificate should be of interest. Judging by 1911 census, I > think she married John OBrien and by 1911 they had three children and were > living in 18 Taff Street, Merthyr Vale.( a few doors form where she lived in > 1901) She seems to have died in Merthyr Tydfil district in June quarter > 1953. > > The birth of Ellen seems to be June quarter 1902 as Gardner, and that of > Daniel in December quarter 1905 as Gardner. The death of Jane Gardner age 12 > was registered in December quarter 1908, all in Merthyr Tydfil. > > The birth of Sarah Gardner Cunningham was registered March quarter 1900, GRO > ref 11a 726. It would seem to be worth purchasing a birth certificate from > GRO, using online ordering at > https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp > This will show the names of her father and mother (including any previous > surname of the mother) as advised to the registrar. > > If the person you are researching for is not aware of Welsh history, they > should do an online search for Aberfan. > > There were two marriages in Glamorgan around 1880-1883 of men called > CUNNINGHAM where women called Elizabeth appear on the same page, both in > Merthyr Tydfil district. Joseph in 1880 and John in 1882. > > I do not know whether the death of a John Cunningham age 55 in Cardiff > district in December quarter 1900 is relevant. > > Divorce was extremely expensive and difficult to obtain in late 19th century > for ordinary people. A possibility is that Elizabeth was actually married to > someone called Cunningham, but from some time in the 1880s started living > with Peter Gardner. Careful examination of the birth certificates may show > light as to why the children were only registered as Gardner from 1902 > onwards. > > In 1881 Peter Gardner 21 b Plymouth was living in Merthyr with his mother > Charlote (shown as age 73) b Bristol, a widow. > > In 1891 census Mary Ann is shown as age 8 born Trealaw, which is in the > Rhondda, and would have been in Pontypridd registration district. She does > not seem to have been registered either as Cunningham or Gardner. > > Finding Peter's birth registration, and his whereabouts in 1871, may be of > interest. > > Jeff > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dai & Angela Bevan via" > <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> > To: "Eliz Hanebury" <elizhgene@gmail.com>; "wesixski11" > <wesixski11@harbornet.com>; "GLAMORGAN@rootsweb" <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 8:41 AM > Subject: Re: [GLA] Peter Gardner > > >> >> Elizabeth and Eliz, >> I could not find birth registrations for the Gardner children in Merthyr >> Tydfil, but they seem to correlate to births with the surname CUNNINGHAM >> Jun 1884 Cunningham Lydia Merthyr T. 1 11a 533 >> Dec 1885 Cunningham William Merthyr T. 1 11a 500 >> Sep 1887 Cunningham Thomas John Merthyr. T. 1 11a >> 532 >> Sep 1889 Cunningham John Merthyr T. 1 11a 543 >> Mar 1891 Cunningham Charlotte Merthyr T. 1 11a 642 >> then by 1901: >> Elizabeth Gardner8 >> Jane Gardner4 >> Francis Gardner2 >> Sarah Gardner1 >> Jun 1892 Cunningham Elizabeth Merthyr T. 11a 662 >> Dec 1896 Cunningham ***Jane Gardner*** Merthyr T. 11a >> 695 >> Jun 1898 Cunningham ***Francis Gardner *** Merthyr T. >> 11a 713 >> Mar 1900 Cunningham ***Sarah Gardner *** Merthyr T. 11a >> 726 >> I could find no marriage for Peter Gardner and Elizabeth Cunningham at >> any >> time. >> Dai Bevan >> -- >> >> To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com >> GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html >> - >> >> A web site has been prepared to help you use the Glamorgan List >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ >> >> - >> A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be >> found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ >> >> - >> The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and >> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >