You may have a problem http://www.freebmd.org.uk/ has only these men marrying between 1875 - 1885. He also isn't in the Non Conformist register The Plymouth marriagee below isn't Elizabeth Anderson George Plymouth 5b532 GARDNER Peter Plymouth 5b532 PIPER Tabitha Plymouth 5b532 Walters Jane Lane Plymouth 5b532 This is Peter and mother in 1881 (scroll down for all the children Peter and Elizabeth had) Peter Gardner Age:21 Estimated birth year:abt 1860 Relation:Head Mother's name:Charlote Gardner Gender:Male Where born:Plymouth Civil Parish:Merthyr Tydfil County/Island:Glamorgan Country:Wales Street address:10 Ynisgau Education:View image Employment status:View image Occupation:Labourer Registration district:Merthyr Tydfil Sub registration district:Lower Merthyr Tydfil ED, institution, or vessel:22 Neighbors:View others on page Piece:5312 Folio:51 Page Number:8 Household Members: NameAge Peter Gardner21 Charlote Gardner73 Source Citation Class: RG11; Piece: 5312; Folio: 51; Page: 8; GSU roll: 1342279 Source Information Ancestry.com and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. 1881 Wales Census [database on-line]. 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Peter Gardner Age in 1901:41 Estimated birth year:abt 1860 Relation:Head Spouse's Name:Elizabeth Gardner Gender:Male Where born:Plymouth, Devon, England Civil Parish:Merthyr Tydfil Ecclesiastical parish:Merthyr Tydfil Town:Merthyr Vale County/Island:Glamorgan Country:Wales Street address:View image Condition as to marriage:View image Education:View image Employment status:View image Occupation:View image Registration district:Merthyr Tydfil Sub-registration district:Lower Merthyr Tydfil ED, institution, or vessel:36 Neighbors:View others on page Household schedule number:121 Piece:5027 Folio:105 Page Number:28 Household Members: NameAge Peter Gardner41 Elizabeth Gardner40 (born Swansea) Mary Ann Gardner18 William Gardner15 Thomas John Gardner13 John Gardner11 Charlotte Gardner10 Elizabeth Gardner8 Jane Gardner4 Francis Gardner2 Sarah Gardner1 SAVE Source Citation Class: RG13; Piece: 5027; Folio: 105; Page: 28 Source Information Ancestry.com. 1901 Wales Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2005 Peter Gardner Age in 1911:51 Estimated birth year:abt 1860 Relation to Head:Head Gender:Male Birth Place:Plymouth, Devonshire, England Civil Parish:Merthyr Tydfil County/Island:Glamorgan Country:Wales Street address:18 Bryntaf Aberfan Merthyr Vale Marital Status:Married Years Married:29 Estimated Marriage Year:1882 Occupation:Coal Miner Hewer Registration district:Merthyr Tydfil Registration District Number:590 Sub-registration district:Lower Merthyr Tydfil ED, institution, or vessel:20 Household schedule number:25 Piece:32444 Household Members: NameAge Peter Gardner 51 Ellen Gardner 9 Margaret Gardner 7 Daniel Gardner 5 Elizabeth Gardner 50 (Merthyr Tydfil miss transcribed as Lydfil) she give she had 14 children with 12 living (Margaret is not at home) William Gardner 25 Thomas John Gardner 23 John Gardner 21 Charlotte Gardner 20 Elizabeth Gardner 18 Francis Gardner 12 Sarah Gardner 11 Source Citation Class: RG14; Piece: 32444; Schedule Number: 25 Charlote Gardner Age:73 Estimated birth year:abt 1808 Relation:Mother Gender:Female Where born:Bristol Civil Parish:Merthyr Tydfil County/Island:Glamorgan Country:Wales Street address:10 Ynisgau Condition as to marriage:Windower (Widowed) Education:View image Employment status:View image Occupation:With Son Registration district:Merthyr Tydfil Sub registration district:Lower Merthyr Tydfil ED, institution, or vessel:22 Neighbors:View others on page Piece:5312 Folio:51 Page Number:8 Household Members: NameAge Peter Gardner21 Charlote Gardner73 SAVE Source Citation Class: RG11; Piece: 5312; Folio: 51; Page: 8; GSU roll: 1342279 Source Information Ancestry.com and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. 1881 Wales Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2004. Maybe? This does match Peter Peter Gardner Age:1/12 Estimated birth year:1861 Relation:Son (Child) Father's name:Peter Gardner Mother's name:Catherine Gardner Gender:Male Where born:Plymouth, Devon, England Civil Parish:St Andrew County/Island:Devon Country:England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district:Plymouth Sub-registration district:St Andrew ED, institution, or vessel:21 Neighbors:View others on page Household schedule number:136 Piece:1444 Folio:108 Page Number:21 Household Members: NameAge Peter Gardner34 Catherine Gardner34 Margaret Gardner15 Thomas Gardner12 Peter Gardner1/12 SAVE Cancel Source Citation Class: RG 9; Piece: 1444; Folio: 108; Page: 21; GSU roll: 542813 Source Information Ancestry.com. 1861 England Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, ________________________________ Marriages Dec 1875 (>99%) ________________________________ GARDNER Peter Banbury 3a1405 ________________________________ Marriages Dec 1877 (>99%) ________________________________ GARDNER Peter Chipping N. 3a1259 ________________________________ Marriages Dec 1880 (>99%) ________________________________ Gardner Peter Chorlton 8c938 ________________________________ Marriages Jun 1881 (>99%) ________________________________ GARDNER Peter Berwick 10b560 ________________________________ Marriages Dec 1881 (>99%) ________________________________ GARDNER Peter Plymouth 5b532 ________________________________ Marriages Sep 1884 (>99%) ________________________________ Gardner Peter Camberwell 1d1339 Eliz Not Today and Not without a Fight (Anon) For all that has been, thanks. For all that will be, yes. (Dag Hammarskjold) On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 9:33 PM, wesixski11 via <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hello List. I am rather new to the list but have been reading all the posts hoping to find a good researcher who I can hire to help with Peter Gardner and his family. > Peter Gardner was born in about 1859 in Plymouth, Devon, England, and married Elizabeth (last name unknown) in about 1882 in Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, Wales. Elizabeth had been born in about 1861 in Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales. > They had a family of eight children, all born in Merthyr Tydfil: Mary Ann Gardner, born about 1883; Lydia b. 1885; William b. 1886; Thomas John b. 1888; John b. 1890; Charlotte b. 1891; Elizabeth b. 1893 and Sarah Vivian, b. 1900, died 6 May 1986 in Great Neck, Nassau County, New York, USA. > > I have been asked by Sarah Vivian Gardner Hartz’s family (who all live in the USA) to find out about her ancestors. > Does anyone know of a good, honest researcher who would help me? > Thank you. > Elizabeth Wight > Tacoma, Washington, USA > -- > > To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > > A web site has been prepared to help you use the Glamorgan List > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ > > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Elizabeth and Eliz, There is a strange marriage in Swansea that may be worth checking: Marriages Sep 1883 Swansea 11a 917 BOWEN Jane Bragg James CAMPHONEER Peter Camphonser Peter Phillips Elizabeth REES David There is clearly a problem here as there are 3 males and 2 females. I have checked the image and the reference for Peter is correct, and the surname could be either of those given here. It is possible that he parried Elizabeth Phillips. They are in the 1891 census, indexed by Ancestry variously as as Garmer, Garone and Garoner, at 21 Taff St: Name: Peter Garmer Age: 31 Estimated birth year: abt 1860 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Eliz Garmer Mother's name: Ann Bunderson Gender: Male Where born: Plymouth, Devon, England Civil Parish: Merthyr Tydfil Ecclesiastical parish: Pentrebach Town: Forest County/Island: Glamorgan Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil Sub registration district: Lower Merthyr Tydfil ED, institution, or vessel: 17 Piece: 4435 Folio: 123 Page Number: 73 Household Members: Name Age Peter Garmer 31 Eliz Garmer 30 Mary Ann Garoner 8 Lydia Garone 6 William Garone 5 Thomas Jno Garone 3 John Garone 1 Charlotte Garone 3/12 Ann Bunderson 63 John Robbins 24 Dai Bevan On 25/07/2015 04:45, Eliz Hanebury via wrote: You may have a problem [1]http://www.freebmd.org.uk/ has only these men marrying between 1875 - 1885. He also isn't in the Non Conformist register The Plymouth marriagee below isn't Elizabeth Anderson George Plymouth 5b532 GARDNER Peter Plymouth 5b532 PIPER Tabitha Plymouth 5b532 Walters Jane Lane Plymouth 5b532 This is Peter and mother in 1881 (scroll down for all the children Peter and Elizabeth had) Peter Gardner Age:21 Estimated birth year:abt 1860 Relation:Head Mother's name:Charlote Gardner Gender:Male Where born:Plymouth Civil Parish:Merthyr Tydfil County/Island:Glamorgan Country:Wales Street address:10 Ynisgau Education:View image Employment status:View image Occupation:Labourer Registration district:Merthyr Tydfil Sub registration district:Lower Merthyr Tydfil ED, institution, or vessel:22 Neighbors:View others on page Piece:5312 Folio:51 Page Number:8 Household Members: NameAge Peter Gardner21 Charlote Gardner73 Source Citation Class: RG11; Piece: 5312; Folio: 51; Page: 8; GSU roll: 1342279 Source Information Ancestry.com and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. 1881 Wales Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2004. Peter Gardner Age in 1901:41 Estimated birth year:abt 1860 Relation:Head Spouse's Name:Elizabeth Gardner Gender:Male Where born:Plymouth, Devon, England Civil Parish:Merthyr Tydfil Ecclesiastical parish:Merthyr Tydfil Town:Merthyr Vale County/Island:Glamorgan Country:Wales Street address:View image Condition as to marriage:View image Education:View image Employment status:View image Occupation:View image Registration district:Merthyr Tydfil Sub-registration district:Lower Merthyr Tydfil ED, institution, or vessel:36 Neighbors:View others on page Household schedule number:121 Piece:5027 Folio:105 Page Number:28 Household Members: NameAge Peter Gardner41 Elizabeth Gardner40 (born Swansea) Mary Ann Gardner18 William Gardner15 Thomas John Gardner13 John Gardner11 Charlotte Gardner10 Elizabeth Gardner8 Jane Gardner4 Francis Gardner2 Sarah Gardner1 SAVE Source Citation Class: RG13; Piece: 5027; Folio: 105; Page: 28 Source Information Ancestry.com. 1901 Wales Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2005 Peter Gardner Age in 1911:51 Estimated birth year:abt 1860 Relation to Head:Head Gender:Male Birth Place:Plymouth, Devonshire, England Civil Parish:Merthyr Tydfil County/Island:Glamorgan Country:Wales Street address:18 Bryntaf Aberfan Merthyr Vale Marital Status:Married Years Married:29 Estimated Marriage Year:1882 Occupation:Coal Miner Hewer Registration district:Merthyr Tydfil Registration District Number:590 Sub-registration district:Lower Merthyr Tydfil ED, institution, or vessel:20 Household schedule number:25 Piece:32444 Household Members: NameAge Peter Gardner 51 Ellen Gardner 9 Margaret Gardner 7 Daniel Gardner 5 Elizabeth Gardner 50 (Merthyr Tydfil miss transcribed as Lydfil) she give she had 14 children with 12 living (Margaret is not at home) William Gardner 25 Thomas John Gardner 23 John Gardner 21 Charlotte Gardner 20 Elizabeth Gardner 18 Francis Gardner 12 Sarah Gardner 11 Source Citation Class: RG14; Piece: 32444; Schedule Number: 25 Charlote Gardner Age:73 Estimated birth year:abt 1808 Relation:Mother Gender:Female Where born:Bristol Civil Parish:Merthyr Tydfil County/Island:Glamorgan Country:Wales Street address:10 Ynisgau Condition as to marriage:Windower (Widowed) Education:View image Employment status:View image Occupation:With Son Registration district:Merthyr Tydfil Sub registration district:Lower Merthyr Tydfil ED, institution, or vessel:22 Neighbors:View others on page Piece:5312 Folio:51 Page Number:8 Household Members: NameAge Peter Gardner21 Charlote Gardner73 SAVE Source Citation Class: RG11; Piece: 5312; Folio: 51; Page: 8; GSU roll: 1342279 Source Information Ancestry.com and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. 1881 Wales Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2004. Maybe? This does match Peter Peter Gardner Age:1/12 Estimated birth year:1861 Relation:Son (Child) Father's name:Peter Gardner Mother's name:Catherine Gardner Gender:Male Where born:Plymouth, Devon, England Civil Parish:St Andrew County/Island:Devon Country:England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district:Plymouth Sub-registration district:St Andrew ED, institution, or vessel:21 Neighbors:View others on page Household schedule number:136 Piece:1444 Folio:108 Page Number:21 Household Members: NameAge Peter Gardner34 Catherine Gardner34 Margaret Gardner15 Thomas Gardner12 Peter Gardner1/12 SAVE Cancel Source Citation Class: RG 9; Piece: 1444; Folio: 108; Page: 21; GSU roll: 542813 Source Information Ancestry.com. 1861 England Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, ________________________________ Marriages Dec 1875 (>99%) ________________________________ GARDNER Peter Banbury 3a1405 ________________________________ Marriages Dec 1877 (>99%) ________________________________ GARDNER Peter Chipping N. 3a1259 ________________________________ Marriages Dec 1880 (>99%) ________________________________ Gardner Peter Chorlton 8c938 ________________________________ Marriages Jun 1881 (>99%) ________________________________ GARDNER Peter Berwick 10b560 ________________________________ Marriages Dec 1881 (>99%) ________________________________ GARDNER Peter Plymouth 5b532 ________________________________ Marriages Sep 1884 (>99%) ________________________________ Gardner Peter Camberwell 1d1339 Eliz Not Today and Not without a Fight (Anon) For all that has been, thanks. For all that will be, yes. (Dag Hammarskjold) On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 9:33 PM, wesixski11 via [2]<glamorgan@rootsweb.com> wro te: Hello List. I am rather new to the list but have been reading all the posts ho ping to find a good researcher who I can hire to help with Peter Gardner and hi s family. Peter Gardner was born in about 1859 in Plymouth, Devon, England, and married E lizabeth (last name unknown) in about 1882 in Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, Wales. Elizabeth had been born in about 1861 in Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales. They had a family of eight children, all born in Merthyr Tydfil: Mary Ann Gardn er, born about 1883; Lydia b. 1885; William b. 1886; Thomas John b. 1888; John b. 1890; Charlotte b. 1891; Elizabeth b. 1893 and Sarah Vivian, b. 1900, died 6 May 1986 in Great Neck, Nassau County, New York, USA. I have been asked by Sarah Vivian Gardner Hartz’s family (who all live in the U SA) to find out about her ancestors. Does anyone know of a good, honest researcher who would help me? Thank you. 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