Thanks Lyn, Sean and Eliz for your useful suggestions. I looked at the 1911 census (as directed) and saw that Honora was born in Cork in 1859/60. That has narrowed it down - so now I need to visit the NLIreland and also find some birth and marriage certificates etc. I'm very grateful to you for your help. Many thanks, Deric. websites : Pontardulais churches and chapels - https://sites.google.com/site/pontardardulaischurcheschapels/ place-names - http://someplacenamesinsouthwales.4t.com enwau lleoedd - https://sites.google.com/site/enwaulleoedddecymru/home New York White Horse - https://sites.google.com/site/whitehorsetavernnewyorkvisit/ Dylan and the Bont - https://sites.google.com/site/dylanthomaspontardulais/home/dylan-and-the-bont ----- Original Message ----- From: Sean Duggan To: Deric John ; glamorgan@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [GLA] Kellard in Ireland Hi Deric, First find all other Welsh or English census listings of Mary Kellard and her daughter Honora. 1911 would probably be useful if either are listed because that's the first England & Wales census that asked Irish-born people to give a detailed birthplace. But 1851-1901 censuses sometimes have such details. Second get Mary A Kellard's birth certificate to find her mother's maiden name and her father's name. Kellard isn't a common name in Ireland (or elsewhere) so find where it occurs using Griffith's Valuation and the 1901 Irish census (both available online free). Mary and Honora were born before Irish Civil Registration of births started in 1864. Ultimately, your only likely sources for the precise places of birth are Irish church records. If they were Catholic, most such records are on microfilm at the National Library in Dublin. Best wishes, Sean ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Deric John <deric@popsjohn.freeserve.co.uk> To: glamorgan@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, June 6, 2011 12:03 PM Subject: [GLA] Kellard in Ireland I need some help and advice please. The 1881 census has my g. grandmother Mary Kellard, age 44, and her daughter Honora Kellard, age 22 born in Ireland. My grandmother Mary A Kellard is also listed age 8, born Llanelli. In 1881 they are in Llanelli. How can I trace the Irish connection please? Any help would be appreciated. Best wishes, Deric. websites : Pontardulais churches and chapels - https://sites.google.com/site/pontardardulaischurcheschapels/ place-names - http://someplacenamesinsouthwales.4t.com enwau lleoedd - https://sites.google.com/site/enwaulleoedddecymru/home New York White Horse - https://sites.google.com/site/whitehorsetavernnewyorkvisit/ Dylan and the Bont - https://sites.google.com/site/dylanthomaspontardulais/home/dylan-and-the-bont -- To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html - A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message