Jeff Many thanks for a very useful reply some of which was new to me and will help move me on. I have replied to you directly by email so as not to clutter the list. Thanks Edward On 30 June 2011 08:00, <glamorgan-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > To request change of Digest Format contact GLAMORGAN-admin@rootsweb.comand be patient. Jeff. List Admin > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Florinda BEAVAN's will (Lyn) > 2. Re: 1851 census help BEAVAN (Lyn) > 3. Re: 1851 census help BEAVAN (Lyn) > 4. Re: Forest Estate, Llansanlet (Jeff Coleman) > 5. (no subject) (Evelyn Clarke) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 00:20:36 +0100 > From: "Jeff Coleman" <Jeff.Coleman@ntlworld.com> > Subject: Re: [GLA] Forest Estate, Llansanlet > To: "Edward Llewellyn-Jones" <edwardllansamlet@gmail.com>, > <GLAMORGAN@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <A8990848DE954F96B901BD8B66CF29AD@JeffPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; > reply-type=original > > You may be able to track quite a lot of things about Edward Daniel ( and > Edward Rice Daniel, I assume his son or nephew) in the 'Cambrian Index' to > the Swansea local newspaper at www.swansea.gov.uk/cambrian > > DEATHS, OBITUARIES AND EULOGIES 28 February 1862 ON THE DEATH OF MR EDWARD > DANIEL, TAIBACH, BY M.F.JACOB, MOUNT PLEASANT. > > DEATHS, DEATH NOTICES 14 September 1866 ON 5 SEPT.,AT TAIBACH,AGED > 83,DINAH,THE WIDOW OF MR.EDWARD DANIEL,COLLIERY AGENT. > > RELIGION, ANGLICAN 04 May 1866 PENDERRY - EDWARD DANIEL, MORRISTON, ELECTED > TO THE POSITION OF CHURCHWARDEN FOR LLANGAFELACH PARISH. P8 > > MINING AND INDUSTRY, COAL MINING, SWANSEA VALLEY 22 July 1870 SWANSEA > POLICE: COLLIERY CASE - WITNESSES, THOMAS REES, OVERMAN, EDWARD DANIEL, > MANAGER, MYNYDDNEWYDD. P8 > > Mynyddnewydd colliery was in Penlan, under the grounds of the former Penlan > Boys Comprehensive School I think, now the buildings taken over by Ysgol > Gyfun Gymraeg Bryn Tawe. > > MINING AND INDUSTRY, COAL MINING, SWANSEA AND GOWER 29 March 1872 TO > LET:300 > ACRES COAL BEARING LAND,PENCLAWDD,NEAR NARROW GAUGE RAILWAY - APPLY EVAN & > EDWARD DANIEL,MINING ENGINEERS.P4 > > SOCIAL, PHILANTHROPIC ASSOCIATIONS, FREE MASONS 19 April 1872 OPENING & > CONSECRATION OF TALBOT CHAPTER:PRESENT;REV.J.D.DAVIES; > S.B.POWER;W.WHITTINGTON;E.F.DANIEL;EDWARD DANIEL.P5 > > DEATHS, OBITUARIES AND EULOGIES 03 September 1875 OBITUARY OF EDWARD > DANIEL, > 69, MORRISTON, MANAGING AGENT OF VIVIAN & SONS COLLIERIES. ON BOARD OF > GUARDIANS 30 YEARS.P5 > > I suspect the CALLAND in question may have been this one > MARRIAGES, MARRIAGE 24 July 1846 JOHN FORBES CALLAND, LATE OF UPPER FOREST, > GLAMORGAN. TO HARRIET ANN GARDNER. > > rather than Charles CALLAND, I suspect his father. > > CALLAND's pit was I think in Landore, not far from Cwm Level Road, but that > dates from Charles CALLAND I think: > CRIME AND PUNISHMENT AND POLICE, ASSAULT OR THREATENING BEHAVIOUR 15 June > 1860 SWANSEA POLICE: JOHN WILLIAMS, CROWN INN, LANDORE,-V- DANIEL DAVIES, > PITMAN, CALLAND'S PIT. P6. > > MINING AND INDUSTRY, METAL PROCESSING, TINPLATE INDUSTRY 17 February 1871 > MORRISTON:COMING OF AGE CELEBRATIONS OF J.BENTLEY CALLAND, ELDEST SON OF > MR. > & MRS.JOHN FORBES CALLAND,UPPER FFOREST.P5 > > BUILDINGS, ESTATES 29 August 1879 CALLAND MARRIAGE: J.F.CALLAND & SON > TRANSFERRED INTEREST IN UPPER FOREST ESTATE TO FREDERICK & CHARLES FORBES > CALLAND.P4 > > It may well be worth looking at the book Copperopolis published by the > Royal > Commission on Archeological and Historical Monuments in Wales > (Copperopolis: Landscapes of the Early Industrial Period in Swansea > [Paperback] > Stephen Hughes ) > which has a lot of detail on the industrial archaeology of the Swansea > valley, and certainly mentions Calland's pit. > > The Forest or Fforest estate, Llansamlet, was better known for the Upper > Fforest tinplate works ( William Williams the one-legged tinplate > millionaire) - where Morriston Asda store is now - than for collieries > under > it, but there probably was mining there, as almost everywhere else in the > area. There was also am iron and brass foundry at Lower Forest ( near the > Beaufort Road bridge). Putting in SA6 8PS the postcode for the Asda store > into www.old-maps.co.uk enables you to look at maps of the Forest estate. > Although there are a lot of coal pits near Llansamlet and Birchgrove, the > only one in 1884 apparently on the Forest estate was the Marsh Pit > Colliery. > > Here we are: 04 May 1860 SWANSEA WATER BILL:EVIDENCE FROM EDW.DANIEL, EVAN > DANIEL,R.RAWLINSON.FOREST COLLIERY.P8. > > I have a feeling that the Forest colliery, like others on the flood plain > of > the river Tawe, had a large problem with continual pumping to avoid > flooding the workings, and that it may have been mentioned in the old > Llansamlet local history web site in that connection. > > Putting in SA6 8PS the postcode for the Asda store into www.old-maps.co.uk > enables you to look at maps of the Forest estate. Although there are a lot > of coal pits near Llansamlet and Birchgrove, the only one in 1884 > apparently > on the Forest estate was the Marsh Pit Colliery. However the 'Cambrian > index' does not mention the Marsh Pit, so it may have had an earlier name. > the history of coal mining in the lower Swansea valley, including a > description of the main seams, is in the 'Lower Swansea Valley Project' > book > edited by K J Hilton, published by Longmans in 1967, pp46-53. The map in > that book does not include all of the Forest estate, and although it shows > a > number of pits it does not name any of them as the Forest Colliery. > > Incidentally several Cambrian Index entries show that Edward DANIEL > maintained his interests, particularly philanthropic, in Port Talbot area > after moving to Morriston. > > Jeff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Edward Llewellyn-Jones" <edwardllansamlet@gmail.com> > To: <GLAMORGAN@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 2:54 PM > Subject: [GLA] Forest Estate, Llansanlet > > > Dear Listers > I'm seeking help in clarifying a comment that appeared in the obituary of > my > 2xgreat grandfather in September 1875 who was known as Edward Daniel of > Morriston. > > It says 'We may particularly mention that Mr. Daniel was successful in > winning the coal under Forest estate, Llansamlet, after scores of thousands > of pounds had been spent in endeavouring to win the vein by other parties > since the year 1807. Combating the opinion, and in spite of the views of > several other eminent mining engineers, Mr. Daniel drove a diagonal drift > through a very large ?fault?, winning the coal at a comparatively small > outlay, for which he received a very handsome testimonial from Mr. Calland, > the proprietor of the colliery.' > > It would be useful to know the name of the colliery and the year. I know > my > 2xgrandfather was agent for Vivian & Sons so this must have been something > he did on the side. I've googled unsuccessfully. The Calland papers held > in the national Archives in Swansea do not appear to have any details on > their mining interests. The only thing that has gone through my mind is > that the writer of the obituary confused my 2xgreat grandfather with his > father of the same name. He was also a colliery agent who opened and > managed a number of pits such as Brombil and sunk the original shaft for > the > ill-fated Morfa Colliery. My 3xgreat grandfather who was always referred > to > as Edward Daniel of Taibach retired in 1848. > Many thanks > Edward > > > > > ------------------------------ > >