You may be able to track quite a lot of things about Edward Daniel ( and Edward Rice Daniel, I assume his son or nephew) in the 'Cambrian Index' to the Swansea local newspaper at www.swansea.gov.uk/cambrian DEATHS, OBITUARIES AND EULOGIES 28 February 1862 ON THE DEATH OF MR EDWARD DANIEL, TAIBACH, BY M.F.JACOB, MOUNT PLEASANT. DEATHS, DEATH NOTICES 14 September 1866 ON 5 SEPT.,AT TAIBACH,AGED 83,DINAH,THE WIDOW OF MR.EDWARD DANIEL,COLLIERY AGENT. RELIGION, ANGLICAN 04 May 1866 PENDERRY - EDWARD DANIEL, MORRISTON, ELECTED TO THE POSITION OF CHURCHWARDEN FOR LLANGAFELACH PARISH. P8 MINING AND INDUSTRY, COAL MINING, SWANSEA VALLEY 22 July 1870 SWANSEA POLICE: COLLIERY CASE - WITNESSES, THOMAS REES, OVERMAN, EDWARD DANIEL, MANAGER, MYNYDDNEWYDD. P8 Mynyddnewydd colliery was in Penlan, under the grounds of the former Penlan Boys Comprehensive School I think, now the buildings taken over by Ysgol Gyfun Gymraeg Bryn Tawe. MINING AND INDUSTRY, COAL MINING, SWANSEA AND GOWER 29 March 1872 TO LET:300 ACRES COAL BEARING LAND,PENCLAWDD,NEAR NARROW GAUGE RAILWAY - APPLY EVAN & EDWARD DANIEL,MINING ENGINEERS.P4 SOCIAL, PHILANTHROPIC ASSOCIATIONS, FREE MASONS 19 April 1872 OPENING & CONSECRATION OF TALBOT CHAPTER:PRESENT;REV.J.D.DAVIES; S.B.POWER;W.WHITTINGTON;E.F.DANIEL;EDWARD DANIEL.P5 DEATHS, OBITUARIES AND EULOGIES 03 September 1875 OBITUARY OF EDWARD DANIEL, 69, MORRISTON, MANAGING AGENT OF VIVIAN & SONS COLLIERIES. ON BOARD OF GUARDIANS 30 YEARS.P5 I suspect the CALLAND in question may have been this one MARRIAGES, MARRIAGE 24 July 1846 JOHN FORBES CALLAND, LATE OF UPPER FOREST, GLAMORGAN. TO HARRIET ANN GARDNER. rather than Charles CALLAND, I suspect his father. CALLAND's pit was I think in Landore, not far from Cwm Level Road, but that dates from Charles CALLAND I think: CRIME AND PUNISHMENT AND POLICE, ASSAULT OR THREATENING BEHAVIOUR 15 June 1860 SWANSEA POLICE: JOHN WILLIAMS, CROWN INN, LANDORE,-V- DANIEL DAVIES, PITMAN, CALLAND'S PIT. P6. MINING AND INDUSTRY, METAL PROCESSING, TINPLATE INDUSTRY 17 February 1871 MORRISTON:COMING OF AGE CELEBRATIONS OF J.BENTLEY CALLAND, ELDEST SON OF MR. & MRS.JOHN FORBES CALLAND,UPPER FFOREST.P5 BUILDINGS, ESTATES 29 August 1879 CALLAND MARRIAGE: J.F.CALLAND & SON TRANSFERRED INTEREST IN UPPER FOREST ESTATE TO FREDERICK & CHARLES FORBES CALLAND.P4 It may well be worth looking at the book Copperopolis published by the Royal Commission on Archeological and Historical Monuments in Wales (Copperopolis: Landscapes of the Early Industrial Period in Swansea [Paperback] Stephen Hughes ) which has a lot of detail on the industrial archaeology of the Swansea valley, and certainly mentions Calland's pit. The Forest or Fforest estate, Llansamlet, was better known for the Upper Fforest tinplate works ( William Williams the one-legged tinplate millionaire) - where Morriston Asda store is now - than for collieries under it, but there probably was mining there, as almost everywhere else in the area. There was also am iron and brass foundry at Lower Forest ( near the Beaufort Road bridge). Putting in SA6 8PS the postcode for the Asda store into www.old-maps.co.uk enables you to look at maps of the Forest estate. Although there are a lot of coal pits near Llansamlet and Birchgrove, the only one in 1884 apparently on the Forest estate was the Marsh Pit Colliery. Here we are: 04 May 1860 SWANSEA WATER BILL:EVIDENCE FROM EDW.DANIEL, EVAN DANIEL,R.RAWLINSON.FOREST COLLIERY.P8. I have a feeling that the Forest colliery, like others on the flood plain of the river Tawe, had a large problem with continual pumping to avoid flooding the workings, and that it may have been mentioned in the old Llansamlet local history web site in that connection. Putting in SA6 8PS the postcode for the Asda store into www.old-maps.co.uk enables you to look at maps of the Forest estate. Although there are a lot of coal pits near Llansamlet and Birchgrove, the only one in 1884 apparently on the Forest estate was the Marsh Pit Colliery. However the 'Cambrian index' does not mention the Marsh Pit, so it may have had an earlier name. the history of coal mining in the lower Swansea valley, including a description of the main seams, is in the 'Lower Swansea Valley Project' book edited by K J Hilton, published by Longmans in 1967, pp46-53. The map in that book does not include all of the Forest estate, and although it shows a number of pits it does not name any of them as the Forest Colliery. Incidentally several Cambrian Index entries show that Edward DANIEL maintained his interests, particularly philanthropic, in Port Talbot area after moving to Morriston. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Llewellyn-Jones" <edwardllansamlet@gmail.com> To: <GLAMORGAN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 2:54 PM Subject: [GLA] Forest Estate, Llansanlet Dear Listers I'm seeking help in clarifying a comment that appeared in the obituary of my 2xgreat grandfather in September 1875 who was known as Edward Daniel of Morriston. It says 'We may particularly mention that Mr. Daniel was successful in winning the coal under Forest estate, Llansamlet, after scores of thousands of pounds had been spent in endeavouring to win the vein by other parties since the year 1807. Combating the opinion, and in spite of the views of several other eminent mining engineers, Mr. Daniel drove a diagonal drift through a very large “fault”, winning the coal at a comparatively small outlay, for which he received a very handsome testimonial from Mr. Calland, the proprietor of the colliery.' It would be useful to know the name of the colliery and the year. I know my 2xgrandfather was agent for Vivian & Sons so this must have been something he did on the side. I've googled unsuccessfully. The Calland papers held in the national Archives in Swansea do not appear to have any details on their mining interests. The only thing that has gone through my mind is that the writer of the obituary confused my 2xgreat grandfather with his father of the same name. He was also a colliery agent who opened and managed a number of pits such as Brombil and sunk the original shaft for the ill-fated Morfa Colliery. My 3xgreat grandfather who was always referred to as Edward Daniel of Taibach retired in 1848. Many thanks Edward