Hello Dave Regarding the death info on Ruth, this "may" be it.... Ruth LEWIS, age 68, 4th Quarter of 1891, 11-A-471, Merthyr Tydfil. I found her and John in 1861, 71, 81 and 91. In 1891 they are with 2 of their sons, William and Thomas. Regards Doug Morris California, Missouri, USA -----Original Message----- From: Dave Morgan <morgs007@hotmail.com> To: glamorgan <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Aug 11, 2011 10:58 am Subject: [GLA] John Lewis / Ruth Winter Hi there, this is my first post on this board. I have been researching my family tree with the aid of my 92 year old grandfather for the last three years. My GGGgrandfather was called John Lewis, a baller born around 1820. On 16th Nov 1846 he married Ruth Winter at Merthyr Tydfil Parish Church. I am descended from one of his sons, my GGgrandfather James Lewis who moved to Llanelli. I am a bit stuck in a number of areas : 1) John Lewis - death date : can't find a thing. Neither can I for Ruth, his wife. He was an iron baller on the 1861 census, living in Pentrebach. 2) John's father - my GGGGgrandfather was called William born c 1789? He was a gamekeeper (from John's marriage certificate). Can I find records of this sort anywhere? Online I found "The Cambrian" from 1807 mentions a William Lewis, "Gamekeeper to Robert Jenner, Esq. for the several Manors of Wenvoe-castle, Moyle, Wrinstone, Cadoxstone juxta Barry, and Dynaspowis" but I am not sure if this is one and the same. Why would he have moved to Merthyr? Isn't that too far away from Wenvoe? Has anyone come across a record that could help? 3) Ruth's father was James Winter - I have found quite a lot on him, born 1792ish in Aberdulais, iron baller as occupation - has anyone come across more Winters who could be his parents? 4) My grandfather tells me that James, my GGgrandfather who was born around 1852 was the 'black sheep' of the family and something caused him to have to leave Merthyr. He married a girl called Catherine Morris on 6th Dec 1873 at St John's Church in Merthyr. Again, I wondered if any distant relation might have an idea of this! My grandfather never found out, but knew he had relatives near Merthyr still. Apologies for the long post, any ideas of where I should look next would be very much appreciated! Regards Dave Morgan Kent -- To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html - A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message