Hi All, Been a while since I've posted, but I would like some help please. Feeling down now, because I think I may have got a part wrong in my family history. sob sob Anyway, can someone tell me is, according to files at that time, 1801-1807, Aberavon and Michaelstone super Avon two separate places? or were they included as one under 'Aberavon'? I am trying to find my family now as since I realise I might have made a mistake, I've lost them after 1851 Census. The father is put down on the census as from 'Michaelston' . I'm assuming this is Michaelston Super Avon, as this is what is listed for a marriage and banns I've found for them (Rees Hopkins to Gwenllian Thomas). On there, is he listed as from Michaelston super avon, and she from Llantwit Neath Parish. I thought this then became known as Aberavon? Last entry was for 1851 Census of Melincryddan, Llantwit Lower showing them living there (Rees Hopkins head, from Michaelston abt. 1801 and wife Gwenny c,1806 from Neath Abbey plus their children. After 1851, I can find the children living in different places around the area, but I've lost the parents. It could just been that they both died. What is so frustrating is the use and none use of the end 's' in his name, sometimes it's Hopkins sometimes Hopkin which doesn't help. If I were to try and find a baptism for him (which on paid sites I have and cannot trace) for Rees Hopkin(s) born abt. 1801 Michaelston, should I go to Aberavon or Michaelstone Super Avon family centre??? I'm confused now. Many thanks Helen (fed up)

Thank you Jeff for identifying John Sawler. I thought I had a Lawler there, but unfortunately, he is not of my immediate family. After moving to London three more sons were born to James Patrick and Esther (Essie) Lawler; they were twins, Thomas and Joseph, and youngest son James. Joseph died in his first year. I cannot explain the record on the 1861 census which shows Stephen when it should say Thomas; but I am sure that this is my (J)Essie with 7 year old Hugh, 4 year old Thomas and 1 year old James. I have looked in vain for the older children and their father, as I assumed that they were away working. But I never thought to look to the sea!! I wonder if the term 'engineer' could have different connotations in those days? This could also be an explanation for why I have not been able to find any further record of Michael after the 1851 census (when he was 5), as I know that he was still alive at the time of his mother's death in 1891. (I have managed to get a wealth of research from the other four surviving sons, but not one word on Michael.) Thanks again, your reply has given me much to think about Clare

Back in the day Clare engineer meant someone who tended an engine even if some were stationary engineers -smile. Your missing man might have been using his middle name - in my tree I have lots who use a name I didn't know they had. And if I luck out and find a place where they indexed death records and said death record has parents names I can find them in the census and other records. I hope he shows up that way Eliz Not Today and Not without a Fight (Anon) For all that has been, thanks. For all that will be, yes. (Dag Hammarskjold) On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 4:00 AM, Clare Dubay via <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Thank you Jeff for identifying John Sawler. I thought I had a Lawler there, > but unfortunately, he is not of my immediate family. > > After moving to London three more sons were born to James Patrick and Esther > (Essie) Lawler; they were twins, Thomas and Joseph, and youngest son James. > Joseph died in his first year. > > I cannot explain the record on the 1861 census which shows Stephen when it > should say Thomas; but I am sure that this is my (J)Essie with 7 year old > Hugh, 4 year old Thomas and 1 year old James. I have looked in vain for the > older children and their father, as I assumed that they were away working. > But I never thought to look to the sea!! > > I wonder if the term 'engineer' could have different connotations in those > days? > > This could also be an explanation for why I have not been able to find any > further record of Michael after the 1851 census (when he was 5), as I know > that he was still alive at the time of his mother's death in 1891. (I have > managed to get a wealth of research from the other four surviving sons, but > not one word on Michael.) > > Thanks again, your reply has given me much to think about > > Clare > > > > -- > > To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > > A web site has been prepared to help you use the Glamorgan List > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ > > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you to all those who replied to my query. Unfortunately, all of the avenues suggested have been thoroughly researched over the years, and I am unable to go any further with this family without any new leads. I will have to keep digging. Thanks for your replies Clare

The 1861 family in Merthyr, at 24 Well Street, Dowlais, is composed of William Lawler 38 Lab in Iron Works, b Ireland, his wife Mary 37, Lab in Iron Works and wife keeping house, b Ireland, son John,12, b Ireland, and Denis Murphy, boarder, 27,Fireman, b Ireland, his wife Elizabeth, 25, b Ireland and their daughter Ann 2 b Dowlais. Dowlais was the area of Merthyr where the largest concentration of Irish people was. I notice that in 1861 Hugh is shown as son of Jessie Lawler, 37, 'engineer's wife' b Ireland. Given the location in Shadwell and the occupations nearby this would seem quite possibly to be and engineer, engineman or fireman on a steamship, away at sea. I do wonder whether career progression from an excavator (that is a navvy, a pick-and-shovel man) to an 'engineer' on a ship is likely, and whether in fact these are two different families. Of course the birth certificates of Hugh's younger siblings Stephen (can't find registration) and James (registered June 1860 in Stepney district) will give the mother's maiden name and possibly previous married name. Penarth would make sense for a mariner's family, and Newport would be the most obvious location in Monmouthshire for mariners. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clare Dubay via" <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> To: <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 10:29 AM Subject: [GLA] Lawler family >I am sending this request to both the Glamorgan and Monmouthshire List. > > Currently I am researching an Irish Catholic family named Lawler, who > spent > approximately 10 years in Wales after leaving Ireland: that was before > they > moved on to London, South Africa, New Zealand and eventually, Australia. > Having hit the 'brick wall' with my research in Wales, I am hoping that > someone can give me some more help. (I have had good leads from the list > before.) > > James and Esther (Essie) Lawler appear on the 1851 census of Cwmdare, > living > at Penywaun with their sons Michael, 5 (born in Dublin) and John, 2 born > in > Aberdare. James is described as an 'excavator of iron mine'. > > I am very keen to find a record of the next son born, Hugh, as this was my > grandfather: Hugh was probably born in 1854, possibly in Monmouthshire. I > cannot find any record of his birth or christening. On his marriage > certificate, it states that Hugh was born in Penrith, Wales. I assume > this > to be a misrepresentation of Penarth: are there any other possibilities? > > Being RC, it follows that John and Hugh were christened soon after birth. > Following on from information given to me previously, I have been looking > for baptism records from the few RC churches in Glamorgan and > Monmouthshire > at the time, but with no luck so far. > > Would there be any school records that I could search for Michael? > > Would there be any records of employment available to search? > > The family had moved on to London by the end of 1856. But I can find no > record of father James, and the two eldest sons, Michael and John, on the > 1861 census in London. I did find a John Sawlor on the Glamorgan census > of > that year. In the registration district of Merthyr Tydfil, parish of > Merthyr Tydfil, sub-district Merthyr Tydfil, there is 12 year old John > Sawlor. Could somebody please identify the rest of the household for me? > > I would be grateful for any suggestions that you can make, as I am running > out of ideas. > > Thanking you > > Clare in Victoria, Australia > > > > -- > > To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > > A web site has been prepared to help you use the Glamorgan List > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ > > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be > found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am sending this request to both the Glamorgan and Monmouthshire List. Currently I am researching an Irish Catholic family named Lawler, who spent approximately 10 years in Wales after leaving Ireland: that was before they moved on to London, South Africa, New Zealand and eventually, Australia. Having hit the 'brick wall' with my research in Wales, I am hoping that someone can give me some more help. (I have had good leads from the list before.) James and Esther (Essie) Lawler appear on the 1851 census of Cwmdare, living at Penywaun with their sons Michael, 5 (born in Dublin) and John, 2 born in Aberdare. James is described as an 'excavator of iron mine'. I am very keen to find a record of the next son born, Hugh, as this was my grandfather: Hugh was probably born in 1854, possibly in Monmouthshire. I cannot find any record of his birth or christening. On his marriage certificate, it states that Hugh was born in Penrith, Wales. I assume this to be a misrepresentation of Penarth: are there any other possibilities? Being RC, it follows that John and Hugh were christened soon after birth. Following on from information given to me previously, I have been looking for baptism records from the few RC churches in Glamorgan and Monmouthshire at the time, but with no luck so far. Would there be any school records that I could search for Michael? Would there be any records of employment available to search? The family had moved on to London by the end of 1856. But I can find no record of father James, and the two eldest sons, Michael and John, on the 1861 census in London. I did find a John Sawlor on the Glamorgan census of that year. In the registration district of Merthyr Tydfil, parish of Merthyr Tydfil, sub-district Merthyr Tydfil, there is 12 year old John Sawlor. Could somebody please identify the rest of the household for me? I would be grateful for any suggestions that you can make, as I am running out of ideas. Thanking you Clare in Victoria, Australia

Hi Mike There is no marriage of William Daniel to a Mesida in Glamorgan. However there is a marriage to a Priscilla Thomas in Neath in the December quarter 1848, which would tie in with a 2-year old David. In the 1841 census you can find a William Daniel in Neath with sons Thomas 7 and William 5, but no mother present, and a Priscilla Thomas elsewhere in Neath. So your idea of a second marriage would seem to be correct, and a transcription error may have been made in one of those sources. Hope this helps Anna At 13:09 20/05/2015, mike smith via wrote: >Hello List, >There is an entry on the Glamorgan Census CD for 1851 for one >William Daniel C1819 and his wife Mesida c1815 both born and living >in Neath. Has anyone come across a marriage for this couple.The >children listed are Thomas C1834 Neath,William C1838 Neath and David >c1849 Amroth Pembroke. The gap of 11 years between the second and >third child could mean that Mesida is Williams second wife. >Any ideas ?? >Regards Mike > > >--- >This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >http://www.avast.com >-- > >To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com >GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html >- > >A web site has been prepared to help you use the Glamorgan List >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ > >- >A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, >may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > >- >The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and >http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello List, There is an entry on the Glamorgan Census CD for 1851 for one William Daniel C1819 and his wife Mesida c1815 both born and living in Neath. Has anyone come across a marriage for this couple.The children listed are Thomas C1834 Neath,William C1838 Neath and David c1849 Amroth Pembroke. The gap of 11 years between the second and third child could mean that Mesida is Williams second wife. Any ideas ?? Regards Mike --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

I am forwarding this message to the list, as I see that it was sent only to me. Please 'Reply All' to send messages to the mailing list as well as to the person who sent the message. Jeff list admin, Glamorgan Rootsweb mailing list. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlene" <charad@att.net> To: "Jeff Coleman" <Jeff.Coleman@ntlworld.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 12:13 AM Subject: Re: [GLA] Researching Rees POWELL Jeff, Thank you for your reply. I looked at the maps and found them useful. These areas seem fairly close together. I have found a brother David on Groes farm which is in the area as well. Rees is my husband's great grandfather. He is proving to be difficult to trace. I notice several of the family either do not marry or marry late in life. Was the usual at this time? My husband and I are planning a trip to Wales and northern England next spring or early summer so hope to be able to drive around the area where his family was located. Thanks so much for the "local" information as I find some of the place names quite difficult to read on the census. Charlene Sent from my iPad > On May 19, 2015, at 4:19 PM, Jeff Coleman <Jeff.Coleman@ntlworld.com> > wrote: > > Hi Charlene > > In the 1851 census the location is 'Heolirmyndd' in the parish of St > Brides Major and Edward Powell, 24, the elder brother of Rees Powell, is > 'Farmer of 160 acres'. > The parish is south-east of Bridgend on the coast and extending inland and > is home to extensive limestone quarries and the beach below Dunraven > Castle, generally known as Southerndown beach. > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/StBridesMajor/ has links to maps and > the village is shown on the map as Heol-y-mynydd. > > On that GENUKI page there is also a link to an index of a book "ST. > BRIDE'S MAJOR, SOUTHERNDOWN AND OGMORE BY THE SEA, A Chronicle of a Parish > in the Vale of Glamorgan,By Stanley W. Bevan 1980" which appears to > include several illustrations including 'W.Powell', possibly your William. > > In 1871 census Edward Powell aged 44 b St Brides Major, with wife Cathrine > aged 48 b Cowbridge , 3 children (all born Merthyr Mawr, Glamorgan ( a > parish on the other side of the Ogwr estuary) and two servants was at > 'West Vawr', farmer of 130 acres. One of the children is shown as Mary J > aged 11, the eldest Edward aged 12. > > I wonder whether this entry in the 'Cambrian' newspaper > www.swansea.gov.uk/cambrian is about the same Edward : > BIRTHS 01 April 1859 AT WHITNEY, MERTHYR MAWR - TO THE WIFE OF EDWARD > POWELL, A DAUGHTER. > > BIRTHS 09 March 1860 ON 24 FEBRUARY,AT WHITRA,NEAR BRIDGEND,TO THE WIFE OF > EDWARD POWELL,FARMER,OF TWINS,A SON & DAUGHTER. > > In 1881 census Edward is now a widower, at West Farm, St Brides Major. His > sister Alison aged 63, unmarried, is also there. > > I agree that this looks the same Edward Powell aged 14 in Margam in 1841 > at 'Pandy' with parents Edward,40, farmer and Mary, 35, younger sister > Elizabeth b abt 1829 and younger brother Rees b abt 1831. > > In 1891 Edward was still at West Farm, St Brides Major in the 'hamlet or > village of Southerndown', a farmer, widower, with his three unmarried > children Edward, Mary J and David (26) > > It is a very attractive piece of countryside and you will find many images > of Southerndown beach, officially named Dunraven Bay (after Dunraven > Castle which is perched on the cliff above it). If you look at > https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/287823/173773/12/100196 or search the > old-maps site for Southerndown you will see on the 1878 map 'West' and > 'West cottage' which is where they lived, on the road above the cliffs > leading from Ogmore-by-sea to Southerndown village proper, which had > several hotels in it. One of those hotels later became the 'home for blind > babies' I think. > > I see that in 1911 William Powell's address is 'Ogmore, Merthyr Mawr' but > in the parish of St Bride's Major. There is a set of stepping stones > across the river Ogwr (Ogmore in English) from Ogmore Castle to Merthyr > Mawr village. Maybe in 1911 Merthyr Mawr was a better-known address than > St Bride's Major. He says he was born in Margam., and was a retired farmer > aged 78. If you do a Google search for image Ogmore Castle you will almost > certainly find one showing the stepping stones. > > Not quite what you are looking for, but a bit of background. And a lovely > area to visit if you come looking for the ancestors. > > Best wishes with your research > > Jeff > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlene via" <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> > To: <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 1:56 PM > Subject: [GLA] Researching Rees POWELL > > >> Hi all, >> I am new to this list and new to researching in Wales. I am tracing a >> Rees POWELL born about 1831 in South Wales. I find him in the 1885 Kansas >> Census in Osborne County and in the 1880 US census living in Westmoreland >> County, Pennsylvania, with his brother William born about 1832 who is >> married to Anna and has a child Alice. I have found no other records of >> Rees in the US census, but William is listed in the 1900 census in >> Westmorland County as widowed with Alice living with him. I believe I >> locate Rees and William in the 1841 Wales census as children of Edward >> and Mary POWELL living in Margam Parish. Edward is a farmer and the >> children listed are Edward 14, Elizabeth 12, Rees 10, William 9, David 7, >> Jennis 5, Alice 3, Ann 1. In the 1851 census, the older children are >> found in St. Brides Parish with Edward listed as farmer of the acres and >> Elizabeth, Rees, David, and Janet. I seem to lose track of Rees at this >> time but find William in 1871 listed with his father Edward in! >> St. Brides Major. I also find William in the 1911 Wales census living in >> St. Brides Major with his daughter Alice who was born in Pennsylvania, >> USA. >> >> Is anyone familiar with this family or doing research on this POWELL >> family? >> Charlene >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> -- >

Hi Charlene I am forwarding this for Ron, who appears to be distantly related to your husband. When he attempted to send the email directly it was rejected for some reason. Regards Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: ron.davies@sfr.fr To: Jeff Coleman Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 10:05 AM Subject: Fw: Researching Rees POWELL Hi Jeff, I have not been active on the Glam List for some time - having been obliged to devote more time to pressing family matters, and let FH slip into the back seat, I unsubbed some months ago - so I didn’t see the recent exchange on this subject initiated by a post from Charlene, but James Loveluck has passed it to me. Could I please trouble you to pass it on to her via the List. Many thanks and best regards Ron From: ron.davies@sfr.fr Sent: ‎Wednesday‎, ‎20‎ ‎May‎ ‎2015 ‎11‎:‎03 To: charad@att.net Hi Charlene, I am not currently subscribed to the Rootsweb Glamorgan List but have just had your post to the List passed to me by James Loveluck, who has already told you about my website. I have been researching the POWELLs of Baglan/Margam/Pyle/St.Brides Major for a number of years, as I am descended from another Rees POWELL (who was also born in 1831!!) he was ‘your’ Rees POWELL’s first cousin. Their parents Edward POWELL and Rees POWELL were brothers (there were so many named Rees, that it is quite easy to mix them up in the records and I started annotating the ones in my direct line with a, b, c, etc, ! My great grandfather was Rees(d), whose father was Rees (c ) whose father was Rees(b) whose father was Rees(a)!! You will find most of the results of my research on the website - the database which underpins it now contains over 14,000 individuals, including over 600 POWELLs - and 15 Rees POWELLs! In addition, there is some simple narrative at the front-end of the site - accessed via navigation buttons on the Home Page, which you may like to read through, as there is some background information which doesn’t appear in the database- http://www.clan-davies.org/webtrees/FE-DP01.php What is your interest in this family? Are you, too, a descendant? If so, I’d be happy to provide you with a user account on the website which would allow you to log in to see details on living members of the extended family. I’d also be pleased to receive details from you regarding POWELL descendants in the US - it sounds as if you may have more than I have and I should like to extend my database to include what you have if possible - and to extend it to include you if you are a descendant! I have a good deal of material relating to the areas in which our POWELLs lived and would be happy to perform look-ups for you or to answer any questions you may have to which I may have already found the answers. Looking forward to hearing from you. Best regards Ron http://www.clan-davies.org/webtrees/

Hi Clare There is a parish called Penrith in Pembrokeshire - see http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/PEM/Penrith/ You might get some help from the Dyfed Rootsweb mailing list. I don't think there were iron mines in the area, but there were slate quarries, so he may have transferred his skills to that. Anna At 10:29 20/05/2015, Clare Dubay via wrote: >I am sending this request to both the Glamorgan and Monmouthshire List. > >Currently I am researching an Irish Catholic family named Lawler, who spent >approximately 10 years in Wales after leaving Ireland: that was before they >moved on to London, South Africa, New Zealand and eventually, Australia. >Having hit the 'brick wall' with my research in Wales, I am hoping that >someone can give me some more help. (I have had good leads from the list >before.) > >James and Esther (Essie) Lawler appear on the 1851 census of Cwmdare, living >at Penywaun with their sons Michael, 5 (born in Dublin) and John, 2 born in >Aberdare. James is described as an 'excavator of iron mine'. > >I am very keen to find a record of the next son born, Hugh, as this was my >grandfather: Hugh was probably born in 1854, possibly in Monmouthshire. I >cannot find any record of his birth or christening. On his marriage >certificate, it states that Hugh was born in Penrith, Wales. I assume this >to be a misrepresentation of Penarth: are there any other possibilities? > >Being RC, it follows that John and Hugh were christened soon after birth. >Following on from information given to me previously, I have been looking >for baptism records from the few RC churches in Glamorgan and Monmouthshire >at the time, but with no luck so far. > >Would there be any school records that I could search for Michael? > >Would there be any records of employment available to search? > >The family had moved on to London by the end of 1856. But I can find no >record of father James, and the two eldest sons, Michael and John, on the >1861 census in London. I did find a John Sawlor on the Glamorgan census of >that year. In the registration district of Merthyr Tydfil, parish of >Merthyr Tydfil, sub-district Merthyr Tydfil, there is 12 year old John >Sawlor. Could somebody please identify the rest of the household for me? > >I would be grateful for any suggestions that you can make, as I am running >out of ideas. > >Thanking you > >Clare in Victoria, Australia > > > >-- > >To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com >GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html >- > >A web site has been prepared to help you use the Glamorgan List >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ > >- >A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, >may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > >- >The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and >http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Have you looked to see if they registered the childrens births? As from 1837--but many didn't. Try FreeBMD.org Sue   From: Theo & Anna Brueton via <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> To: Clare Dubay <dubays@tpg.com.au>; glamorgan@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 20 May 2015, 10:58 Subject: Re: [GLA] Lawler family Hi Clare There is a parish called Penrith in Pembrokeshire - see http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/PEM/Penrith/ You might get some help from the Dyfed Rootsweb mailing list. I don't think there were iron mines in the area, but there were slate quarries, so he may have transferred his skills to that. Anna At 10:29 20/05/2015, Clare Dubay via wrote: >I am sending this request to both the Glamorgan and Monmouthshire List. > >Currently I am researching an Irish Catholic family named Lawler, who spent >approximately 10 years in Wales after leaving Ireland: that was before they >moved on to London, South Africa, New Zealand and eventually, Australia. >Having hit the 'brick wall' with my research in Wales, I am hoping that >someone can give me some more help.  (I have had good leads from the list >before.) > >James and Esther (Essie) Lawler appear on the 1851 census of Cwmdare, living >at Penywaun with their sons Michael, 5 (born in Dublin) and John, 2 born in >Aberdare.  James is described as an 'excavator of iron mine'. > >I am very keen to find a record of the next son born, Hugh, as this was my >grandfather: Hugh was probably born in 1854, possibly in Monmouthshire.  I >cannot find any record of his birth or christening.  On his marriage >certificate, it states that Hugh was born in Penrith, Wales.  I assume this >to be a misrepresentation of Penarth: are there any other possibilities? > >Being RC, it follows that John and Hugh were christened soon after birth. >Following on from information given to me previously, I have been looking >for baptism records from the few RC churches in Glamorgan and Monmouthshire >at the time, but with no luck so far. > >Would there be any school records that I could search for Michael? > >Would there be any records of employment available to search? > >The family had moved on to London by the end of 1856.  But I can find no >record of father James, and the two eldest sons, Michael and John, on the >1861 census in London.  I did find a John Sawlor on the Glamorgan census of >that year.  In the registration district of Merthyr Tydfil, parish of >Merthyr Tydfil, sub-district Merthyr Tydfil, there is 12 year old John >Sawlor.  Could somebody please identify the rest of the household for me? > >I would be grateful for any suggestions that you can make, as I am running >out of ideas. > >Thanking you > >Clare in Victoria, Australia > > > >-- > >To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com >GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html >- > >A web site has been prepared to help you use the Glamorgan List >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ > >- >A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, >may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > >- >The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and >http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html - A web site has been prepared to help you use the Glamorgan List http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ - A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I see that answers have been posted. Every Canadian province seems to have completely different Vital Records systems from the others. Some are good and you can download the certificate but others seem to have very convoluted and expensive systems. Martin Briscoe Fort William martin@mbriscoe.me.uk -----Original Message----- From: glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Leon Morgan via Sent: 19 May 2015 08:54 To: GLAMORGAN@rootsweb.com Subject: [GLA] Canada death certificates Advice on how to obtain death cents from Montreal please.

Thanks to the lists members who replied to my above query. Much appreciated. Leon

I left out the key details of the 1871 census for Edward and Mary Powell and William Edward was born about 1800 in Baglan,Glamorgan and Mary about 1805 in Newton Nottage parish (near Porthcawl). Children living with them at the time were Francis age 27, Alice age 32, Ann age 30, all born at Margam, and there was also a grandson whose name might be Edward Horniman age 10, born Taibach (in modern Port Talbot, might have been Margam or Aberavon parish at the time. They were at Groes Farm, which you can also see on the 1878 map of Southerndown. They were also at Groes Farm in 1861. Additionally, David age 27 (abt 1834) and Jennett age 24 (about 1837) were there, as well as Alice (about 1838) and Francis (about 1844) but not Ann. In 1851 they were still in Margam parish, at 'Llanmihangel', farming 42 acres. Only Alice, Ann and Francis were with them. The adjacent property on the census was Llanmihangel Mill. The property seems to have been at Kenfig, according to the census. If you look on old-maps for Kenfig and scroll up to find the main railway line running roughly WNW-ESE you will see that Llanmihangel Mill is right next to the railway, not far from Pyle. I think that the parish boundary is shown with a dotted line, but would need to check that. The head of household at Llanmihangel Mill was Catharine Powell age 36, widow, born Coity, and there was a Rees Powell, unmarried, age 49 (i.e.abt 1802) Mill wright b Margam as a visitor there. I wonder whether this Rees was Edward's younger brother, and Catharine his sister-in-law. Catharine's children were James 14, Jehosophat 8, Griffith 7, Elizabeth 6 and Mary Ann 3. James had been born at Pyle, the rest at Margam. In 1848 a James Powell, miller appeared as a witness in a case at Glamorgan sessions, in the Cambrian of 30 June 1848. In 1841 census James Powell, 30,farmer and wife Catherine 25, with children James 3, Catherine 2 and Rees 1 were living next door to Edward Powell, in a household headed by Jehosophat Powell, 65, 'independent'. The address was 'Lanmihangel' so it looks as if they were in the same place in 1841 and 1851. The previous address, which I previously thought was where Edward was, was Pandy, the Welsh for 'Mill'. Maybe Jehosophat Powell was father of Edward 1800, Rees 1802 and James 1811 Parish registers for Glamorgan are fairly abundant on Familysearch, and also on Findmypast.co.uk. They may, however, have been nonconformists. There was a Calvinistic Methodist chapel at Pyle, a short walk from Llanmihangel, and much nearer than Margam parish church. In the Cambrian, looking for Llanmihangel or Lanmihangel MARRIAGES, MARRIAGE 18 October 1828 MR JOHN MOSES, OF PILLGWENLLY, NEWPORT, TO MISS POWELL, LLANMIHANGEL MILLS, MARGAM. DEATHS, DEATH NOTICES 16 December 1843 MR JEHOSAPHAT POWELL, OF LLANMIHANGEL MILL, MARGAM - AGED 73 BIRTHS 09 October 1868 ON 3 OCT.,AT LLANMIHANGEL MILLS,PYLE,THE WIFE OF MR.JOHN WILLIAMS,LLANGAFELACH,OF A SON. - so the Powell family had moved on - unless this turns out to be one of the daughters. AGRICULTURE, FARMS 12 January 1822 TO LET LANMIHANGEL FARM IN MARGAM. DEATHS, DEATH NOTICES 12 October 1849 ELIZABETH JONES OR BETSY VACH O'R FELIN,AGED 79,AT LANMIHANGEL MILL,NEAR PYLE. I have just found Llanmihangel Mill Farm and Lanmihangel on a modern map. The mill was on the Afon Cynffig or Kenfig river. There might be quite a lot more to find - for example from Margam Tithe Map around 1840. There is a family tree on Ancestry showing Jehosophat Powell born Baglan 1771, son of Rees Powell, married Elizabeth Thomas at Margam 14Dec1800 . The researcher seems to have concentrated on the family of a younger sister of Elizabeth Thomas, who married a William LOVELUCK. I suspect that there has been some detail about Loveluck family of Pyle and Kenfig on this mailing list in the past. I would have to check, but suspect that one of my father's cousins married a descendant of the Loveluck family. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Coleman via" <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> To: "Charlene" <charad@att.net>; <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [GLA] Researching Rees POWELL > Hi Charlene > > In the 1851 census the location is 'Heolirmyndd' in the parish of St > Brides > Major and Edward Powell, 24, the elder brother of Rees Powell, is 'Farmer > of > 160 acres'. > The parish is south-east of Bridgend on the coast and extending inland and > is home to extensive limestone quarries and the beach below Dunraven > Castle, > generally known as Southerndown beach. > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/StBridesMajor/ has links to maps and > the village is shown on the map as Heol-y-mynydd. > > On that GENUKI page there is also a link to an index of a book "ST. > BRIDE'S > MAJOR, SOUTHERNDOWN AND OGMORE BY THE SEA, A Chronicle of a Parish in the > Vale of Glamorgan,By Stanley W. Bevan 1980" which appears to include > several > illustrations including 'W.Powell', possibly your William. > > In 1871 census Edward Powell aged 44 b St Brides Major, with wife Cathrine > aged 48 b Cowbridge , 3 children (all born Merthyr Mawr, Glamorgan ( a > parish on the other side of the Ogwr estuary) and two servants was at > 'West > Vawr', farmer of 130 acres. One of the children is shown as Mary J aged > 11, > the eldest Edward aged 12. > > I wonder whether this entry in the 'Cambrian' newspaper > www.swansea.gov.uk/cambrian is about the same Edward : > BIRTHS 01 April 1859 AT WHITNEY, MERTHYR MAWR - TO THE WIFE OF EDWARD > POWELL, A DAUGHTER. > > BIRTHS 09 March 1860 ON 24 FEBRUARY,AT WHITRA,NEAR BRIDGEND,TO THE WIFE OF > EDWARD POWELL,FARMER,OF TWINS,A SON & DAUGHTER. > > In 1881 census Edward is now a widower, at West Farm, St Brides Major. His > sister Alison aged 63, unmarried, is also there. > > I agree that this looks the same Edward Powell aged 14 in Margam in 1841 > at > 'Pandy' with parents Edward,40, farmer and Mary, 35, younger sister > Elizabeth b abt 1829 and younger brother Rees b abt 1831. > > In 1891 Edward was still at West Farm, St Brides Major in the 'hamlet or > village of Southerndown', a farmer, widower, with his three unmarried > children Edward, Mary J and David (26) > > It is a very attractive piece of countryside and you will find many images > of Southerndown beach, officially named Dunraven Bay (after Dunraven > Castle > which is perched on the cliff above it). If you look at > https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/287823/173773/12/100196 or search the > old-maps site for Southerndown you will see on the 1878 map 'West' and > 'West > cottage' which is where they lived, on the road above the cliffs leading > from Ogmore-by-sea to Southerndown village proper, which had several > hotels > in it. One of those hotels later became the 'home for blind babies' I > think. > > I see that in 1911 William Powell's address is 'Ogmore, Merthyr Mawr' but > in > the parish of St Bride's Major. There is a set of stepping stones across > the > river Ogwr (Ogmore in English) from Ogmore Castle to Merthyr Mawr village. > Maybe in 1911 Merthyr Mawr was a better-known address than St Bride's > Major. > He says he was born in Margam., and was a retired farmer aged 78. If you > do > a Google search for image Ogmore Castle you will almost certainly find one > showing the stepping stones. > > Not quite what you are looking for, but a bit of background. And a lovely > area to visit if you come looking for the ancestors. > > Best wishes with your research > > Jeff > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charlene via" <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> > To: <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 1:56 PM > Subject: [GLA] Researching Rees POWELL > > >> Hi all, >> I am new to this list and new to researching in Wales. I am tracing a >> Rees POWELL born about 1831 in South Wales. I find him in the 1885 Kansas >> Census in Osborne County and in the 1880 US census living in Westmoreland >> County, Pennsylvania, with his brother William born about 1832 who is >> married to Anna and has a child Alice. I have found no other records of >> Rees in the US census, but William is listed in the 1900 census in >> Westmorland County as widowed with Alice living with him. I believe I >> locate Rees and William in the 1841 Wales census as children of Edward >> and >> Mary POWELL living in Margam Parish. Edward is a farmer and the children >> listed are Edward 14, Elizabeth 12, Rees 10, William 9, David 7, Jennis >> 5, >> Alice 3, Ann 1. In the 1851 census, the older children are found in St. >> Brides Parish with Edward listed as farmer of the acres and Elizabeth, >> Rees, David, and Janet. I seem to lose track of Rees at this time but >> find >> William in 1871 listed with his father Edward in! >> St. Brides Major. I also find William in the 1911 Wales census living in >> St. Brides Major with his daughter Alice who was born in Pennsylvania, >> USA. >> >> Is anyone familiar with this family or doing research on this POWELL >> family? >> Charlene >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> -- > > -- > > To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > > A web site has been prepared to help you use the Glamorgan List > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ > > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be > found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Charlene In the 1851 census the location is 'Heolirmyndd' in the parish of St Brides Major and Edward Powell, 24, the elder brother of Rees Powell, is 'Farmer of 160 acres'. The parish is south-east of Bridgend on the coast and extending inland and is home to extensive limestone quarries and the beach below Dunraven Castle, generally known as Southerndown beach. http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/StBridesMajor/ has links to maps and the village is shown on the map as Heol-y-mynydd. On that GENUKI page there is also a link to an index of a book "ST. BRIDE'S MAJOR, SOUTHERNDOWN AND OGMORE BY THE SEA, A Chronicle of a Parish in the Vale of Glamorgan,By Stanley W. Bevan 1980" which appears to include several illustrations including 'W.Powell', possibly your William. In 1871 census Edward Powell aged 44 b St Brides Major, with wife Cathrine aged 48 b Cowbridge , 3 children (all born Merthyr Mawr, Glamorgan ( a parish on the other side of the Ogwr estuary) and two servants was at 'West Vawr', farmer of 130 acres. One of the children is shown as Mary J aged 11, the eldest Edward aged 12. I wonder whether this entry in the 'Cambrian' newspaper www.swansea.gov.uk/cambrian is about the same Edward : BIRTHS 01 April 1859 AT WHITNEY, MERTHYR MAWR - TO THE WIFE OF EDWARD POWELL, A DAUGHTER. BIRTHS 09 March 1860 ON 24 FEBRUARY,AT WHITRA,NEAR BRIDGEND,TO THE WIFE OF EDWARD POWELL,FARMER,OF TWINS,A SON & DAUGHTER. In 1881 census Edward is now a widower, at West Farm, St Brides Major. His sister Alison aged 63, unmarried, is also there. I agree that this looks the same Edward Powell aged 14 in Margam in 1841 at 'Pandy' with parents Edward,40, farmer and Mary, 35, younger sister Elizabeth b abt 1829 and younger brother Rees b abt 1831. In 1891 Edward was still at West Farm, St Brides Major in the 'hamlet or village of Southerndown', a farmer, widower, with his three unmarried children Edward, Mary J and David (26) It is a very attractive piece of countryside and you will find many images of Southerndown beach, officially named Dunraven Bay (after Dunraven Castle which is perched on the cliff above it). If you look at https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/287823/173773/12/100196 or search the old-maps site for Southerndown you will see on the 1878 map 'West' and 'West cottage' which is where they lived, on the road above the cliffs leading from Ogmore-by-sea to Southerndown village proper, which had several hotels in it. One of those hotels later became the 'home for blind babies' I think. I see that in 1911 William Powell's address is 'Ogmore, Merthyr Mawr' but in the parish of St Bride's Major. There is a set of stepping stones across the river Ogwr (Ogmore in English) from Ogmore Castle to Merthyr Mawr village. Maybe in 1911 Merthyr Mawr was a better-known address than St Bride's Major. He says he was born in Margam., and was a retired farmer aged 78. If you do a Google search for image Ogmore Castle you will almost certainly find one showing the stepping stones. Not quite what you are looking for, but a bit of background. And a lovely area to visit if you come looking for the ancestors. Best wishes with your research Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlene via" <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> To: <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 1:56 PM Subject: [GLA] Researching Rees POWELL > Hi all, > I am new to this list and new to researching in Wales. I am tracing a > Rees POWELL born about 1831 in South Wales. I find him in the 1885 Kansas > Census in Osborne County and in the 1880 US census living in Westmoreland > County, Pennsylvania, with his brother William born about 1832 who is > married to Anna and has a child Alice. I have found no other records of > Rees in the US census, but William is listed in the 1900 census in > Westmorland County as widowed with Alice living with him. I believe I > locate Rees and William in the 1841 Wales census as children of Edward and > Mary POWELL living in Margam Parish. Edward is a farmer and the children > listed are Edward 14, Elizabeth 12, Rees 10, William 9, David 7, Jennis 5, > Alice 3, Ann 1. In the 1851 census, the older children are found in St. > Brides Parish with Edward listed as farmer of the acres and Elizabeth, > Rees, David, and Janet. I seem to lose track of Rees at this time but find > William in 1871 listed with his father Edward in! > St. Brides Major. I also find William in the 1911 Wales census living in > St. Brides Major with his daughter Alice who was born in Pennsylvania, > USA. > > Is anyone familiar with this family or doing research on this POWELL > family? > Charlene > > > Sent from my iPad > --

I apologize, my previous message was a bit confusing - so here is the information again Québec Death Certificates the first link is the information website http://www.etatcivil.gouv.qc.ca/en/certificate-copy-act.html this is a downloadable applicationhttp://www.etatcivil.gouv.qc.ca/publications/DCCA-Death%202015-2016.pdf Helen "draco dormiens nunquam titillandus"

"draco dormiens nunquam titillandus" From: nell1@sympatico.ca To: elizhgene@gmail.com Subject: RE: [GLA] Canada death certificates Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 19:28:43 -0400 Québec Death Certificates the first link is the information website http://www.etatcivil.gouv.qc.ca/en/certificate-copy-act.html this is a downloadable application http://www.etatcivil.gouv.qc.ca/publications/DCCA-Death%202015-2016.pdf Helen "draco dormiens nunquam titillandus" > Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 19:10:44 -0400 > To: leonmorgan1@outlook.com > CC: GLAMORGAN@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GLA] Canada death certificates > From: glamorgan@rootsweb.com > > http://www.canadainternational.gc.ca/australia-australie/consular_services_consulaires/certificates-certificats.aspx?lang=eng > > Ontario records are on Ancestry and familysearch has some Quebec > records but not deaths (some but not many Catholic Records are at > familysearch) > > Quebec, Vital and Church Records (Drouin Collection), 1621-1967 > http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=1091 > Eliz > Not Today and Not without a Fight > (Anon) > > For all that has been, thanks. > For all that will be, yes. > (Dag Hammarskjold) > > > On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 3:53 AM, Leon Morgan via <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Advice on how to obtain death cents from Montreal please. > > > > > > Leon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com > > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > > - > > > > A web site has been prepared to help you use the Glamorgan List > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ > > > > - > > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > > > - > > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- > > To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > > A web site has been prepared to help you use the Glamorgan List > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ > > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

http://www.canadainternational.gc.ca/australia-australie/consular_services_consulaires/certificates-certificats.aspx?lang=eng Ontario records are on Ancestry and familysearch has some Quebec records but not deaths (some but not many Catholic Records are at familysearch) Quebec, Vital and Church Records (Drouin Collection), 1621-1967 http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=1091 Eliz Not Today and Not without a Fight (Anon) For all that has been, thanks. For all that will be, yes. (Dag Hammarskjold) On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 3:53 AM, Leon Morgan via <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Advice on how to obtain death cents from Montreal please. > > > Leon > > > > > > > > > > -- > > To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > > A web site has been prepared to help you use the Glamorgan List > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ > > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all, Anyone with family in Canada may find this useful: Access to the online archives of The Toronto Star are free until 31 May - http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/thestar/advancedsearch.html. Dai