Hello everyone, can anyone supply me with a copy of the cemetery plot notice for Trealaw cemetery? If not, please tell me where to apply for one. With my cousin I am hoping to visit the Trealaw area and hopefully pay our respects at the cemetery. I know the plot numbers, but not the whereabouts of each plot. Many thanks, cheerio Irene

Hello, I'm looking for a John EVANS in the Merthyr / Aberdare area - I know ; ) My G Grandfather John Evans was born in Vaynor in 1875, he married Gwen (also nee EVANS). I have them in 1901 at 92, Twynyrhodyn Rd and again in 1911 in Mount Street Aberdare, with their children, Eloner, Ceinwen, Emlyn and Randall. I'm having trouble finding John before he was married though, I know his father's name was Thomas EVANS but there seems to be a couple of EVANS families in Vaynor with father Thomas and son John. I'm hoping I can find them by a process of elimination, if he is not related to the other families. My John EVANS worked for a brewery, he died quite young (certainly before 1934.). Thank you, Sharon.

Hi l am trying to find the burial of Henry Williams who died in Cardiff in 1929 aged 66. His last address was Llantarnam Road. I contacted the local council and they don’t have any record of his burial in the local council cemetery. He had lived in Cardiff most of his life and his family all lived in Cardiff. He doesn’t seem to have had any descendants who are now living and l cant find any newspaper articles about him. I don’t know Cardiff and wondered if anyone knows of anywhere he may have been buried. I would be grateful for any help. Andy

Dear Listers, Please ignore my earlier message, sent a few minutes ago. The message had an incorrect Subject line and confusing contents. The correct message follows below: ===================== I've added four more subjects to my 'Welsh Churches and Chapels Collection': 1. Zoar Independent Chapel, Tretower, Breconshire Photography: John Ball. Go to www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/churches/tretower2.htm 2. Church of St John the Evangelist, Tretower, Breconshire Photography: John Ball. Go to www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/churches/tretower1.htm 3. Parish Church (unknown dedication), Trellech Grange, Monmouthshire Photography: John Ball. Go to www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/churches/trellech-g1.htm 4. Lion Terrace Primitive Methodist Chapel, Gilwern, Breconshire Photography: various sources. Go to www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/churches/gilwern1.htm [This chapel has recently been the subject of newspaper articles and discussion on genealogy mailing lists] The 'Welsh Churches and Chapels Collection' now features 388 churches and chapels, with at least twenty-four still in the pipeline. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2011.co.uk Personal Homepage: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/wales/ Blog: http://johnofbrecon.com Webmaster, Breconshire Local & Family History Society http://www.blfhs.co.uk/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Administrator - Powys RootsWeb mailing list

-----Original Message----- From: John Ball via Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 3:13 PM To: Powys List ; Glamorgan List Subject: [POWYS] Photos of: Zoar Chapel, Tretower (BRE); St John's Church, Tretower (MON), Parish Church, Trellech Grange (MON), Lion Tce Chapel, Gilwern (BRE) Dear Listers, I've added four more subjects to my 'Welsh Churches and Chapels Collection': 1. Zoar Independent Chapel, Tretower, Breconshire Photography: John Ball. Go to www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/churches/tretower2.htm 2. Church of St John the Evangelist, Tretower, Breconshire Photography: John Ball. Go to www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/churches/tretower1.htm 3. Parish Church (unknown dedication), Trellech Grange, Monmouthshire Photography: John Ball. Go to www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/churches/trellech-g1.htm 4. Lion Terrace Primitive Methodist Chapel, Gilwern, Breconshire Photography: various sources. Go to www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/churches/gilwern1.htm [This chapel has recently been the subject of newspaper articles and discussion on genealogy mailing lists] The 'Welsh Churches and Chapels Collection' now features 388 churches and chapels, with at least twenty-four still in the pipeline. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2011.co.uk Personal Homepage: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/wales/ Blog: http://johnofbrecon.com Webmaster, Breconshire Local & Family History Society http://www.blfhs.co.uk/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Administrator - Powys RootsWeb mailing list

Sending to the list. Already sent off-list. >I have just realised that in 1901 Peter Gardner and family were at 21 Taff >Street, Merthyr Vale, and that his brother William Gardner age 43 (born >Cheltenham,Gloucestershire just as we found William John Cunningham was) >was next door in 22 Taff Street. > > In 1891 Peter and family were in 21 Taff Street. Yes, Charlotte was shown > as born in Exeter. Also in the house was Ann Saunders, 'mother' , widow, > 63, also born Exeter, Devon. > > It would appear that Charlotte was registered as Cunningham in March > quarter 1891 in Merthyr Tydfil, 11a 642 > > The birth of Elizabeth Saunders in 1860 in Merthyr may perhaps be > relevant, > Jun 1860 > SAUNDERS Elizabeth Merthur T 11a 403 > > She might have reached just 21 as she married. > > Jeff > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brenda Jones via" <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> > To: <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 1:20 PM > Subject: Re: [GLA] GLAMORGAN Digest, Vol 10, Issue 124 > > >> subject peter Gardner >> >> I found the family of Gardners in 1891. For some reason Ancestry.co.uk >> could not find them but they came up ok on Find my past. The writing was >> very difficult to read so I expect it has been mis-transcribed on >> Ancestry. Charlotte is shown as being born in Exeter Devon, she is 3 >> mths old. They are in 22 Taff Street, Merthyr Vale, which is quite a few >> miles from Merthyr Tydfil. >> >> Regards >> Brenda Jones

HI, RG09 /P1696 /F 32 /P16. 1861 census address Church Place Weston Bath Waters John a Porter born Bath 1812 Waters. Mary 1813 wife born Preston Somerset 1814. Waters Henry son Messenger born Weston. Waters Esther dau servant born 1845 ditto. Waters James son born ditto Waters Harriett.dau scholar born 1850 ditto. Waters. Thomas. son born 1852 ditto. Waters Charlotte. dau born 1855 ditto. Unable to find in 1851. but parents John and Mary in 1841 are at the village Weston Bath with two children John born 1838c and Eliza 1839 c. Lynne.

No he wasn't! that was a different Peter Gardner, several years younger, born in March quarter 1861. If it was the same one, why would he register most of his children as CUNINGHAM or CUNNINGHAM? That one married in October 1881 in Plymouth I think, either to Tabitha Piper or Jane Lane Walters If he was in Merthyr in 1881 with blind 'mother' Charlote Gardner, how come he went back to Plymouth ? See my later emails on this subject. The key thing to do is to get a few birth certificates for the children, both those registered as CUNNINGHAM and those registered as GARDNER, and check whether the mother's maiden name shows up as Saunders ( or similar). Another thing to do is to check the US records of Sarah GARDNER born 1900 and family stories to see whether they turn up Merthyr Vale and some of the names of the large number of siblings. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eliz Hanebury" <elizhgene@gmail.com> To: "Jeff Coleman" <Jeff.Coleman@ntlworld.com> Cc: "Dai & Angela Bevan" <daibevan@clara.co.uk>; "wesixski11" <wesixski11@harbornet.com>; "GLAMORGAN@rootsweb" <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [GLA] Peter Gardner > Jeff he was with his parents in 1871, father Peter and mother > Catherine also in 1861 > Eliz > Not Today and Not without a Fight > (Anon) > > For all that has been, thanks. > For all that will be, yes. > (Dag Hammarskjold) > > > On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 6:47 AM, Jeff Coleman <Jeff.Coleman@ntlworld.com> > wrote: >> In 1911 census they appear as GARDNER at 18 Bryntaf, Aberfan, Merthyr >> Vale >> >> Peter gave his age as 51, and he was a Coal Miner Hewer. There follows an >> extra piece which has been crossed through "unable to work through ill >> health over the years" >> >> Elizabeth gave her age as 50, born Swansea, an it is shown that they had >> been married for 29 years and had had 14 children, of whom 12 were living >> and two had died. Curiously, it is clear they had originally put down 15 >> children, but this has been amended. >> >> 10 of the children were living with them, in a house shown as having '5 >> rooms + 1 room used as small shop'. >> Those at home were William 25, Thomas John 23, John 21, all shown as Coal >> Miner Hewer, >> Charlotte 20, Elizabeth 18, Francis 12, Sarah 11, Ellen 9, Margaret 7 and >> Daniel 5. Francis and Sarah were shown as 'At school' but the words 'At >> school' had been crossed out for the three youngest children. >> >> Presumably Lydia and Jane had died, married or moved away. >> Lydia appears to have married, as Lydia Gardner, in December quarter 1904 >> either to John O'Brien or William Henry Rees. See www.FreeBMD.org.uk for >> details. As Lydia was one of the eldest, the name of her father shown on >> her marriage certificate should be of interest. Judging by 1911 census, I >> think she married John OBrien and by 1911 they had three children and >> were >> living in 18 Taff Street, Merthyr Vale.( a few doors form where she lived >> in >> 1901) She seems to have died in Merthyr Tydfil district in June quarter >> 1953. >> >> The birth of Ellen seems to be June quarter 1902 as Gardner, and that of >> Daniel in December quarter 1905 as Gardner. The death of Jane Gardner age >> 12 >> was registered in December quarter 1908, all in Merthyr Tydfil. >> >> The birth of Sarah Gardner Cunningham was registered March quarter 1900, >> GRO >> ref 11a 726. It would seem to be worth purchasing a birth certificate >> from >> GRO, using online ordering at >> https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp >> This will show the names of her father and mother (including any previous >> surname of the mother) as advised to the registrar. >> >> If the person you are researching for is not aware of Welsh history, they >> should do an online search for Aberfan. >> >> There were two marriages in Glamorgan around 1880-1883 of men called >> CUNNINGHAM where women called Elizabeth appear on the same page, both in >> Merthyr Tydfil district. Joseph in 1880 and John in 1882. >> >> I do not know whether the death of a John Cunningham age 55 in Cardiff >> district in December quarter 1900 is relevant. >> >> Divorce was extremely expensive and difficult to obtain in late 19th >> century >> for ordinary people. A possibility is that Elizabeth was actually married >> to >> someone called Cunningham, but from some time in the 1880s started living >> with Peter Gardner. Careful examination of the birth certificates may >> show >> light as to why the children were only registered as Gardner from 1902 >> onwards. >> >> In 1881 Peter Gardner 21 b Plymouth was living in Merthyr with his mother >> Charlote (shown as age 73) b Bristol, a widow. >> >> In 1891 census Mary Ann is shown as age 8 born Trealaw, which is in the >> Rhondda, and would have been in Pontypridd registration district. She >> does >> not seem to have been registered either as Cunningham or Gardner. >> >> Finding Peter's birth registration, and his whereabouts in 1871, may be >> of >> interest. >> >> Jeff >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dai & Angela Bevan via" >> <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> >> To: "Eliz Hanebury" <elizhgene@gmail.com>; "wesixski11" >> <wesixski11@harbornet.com>; "GLAMORGAN@rootsweb" <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 8:41 AM >> Subject: Re: [GLA] Peter Gardner >> >> >>> >>> Elizabeth and Eliz, >>> I could not find birth registrations for the Gardner children in >>> Merthyr >>> Tydfil, but they seem to correlate to births with the surname >>> CUNNINGHAM >>> Jun 1884 Cunningham Lydia Merthyr T. 1 11a >>> 533 >>> Dec 1885 Cunningham William Merthyr T. 1 11a >>> 500 >>> Sep 1887 Cunningham Thomas John Merthyr. T. 1 >>> 11a >>> 532 >>> Sep 1889 Cunningham John Merthyr T. 1 11a 543 >>> Mar 1891 Cunningham Charlotte Merthyr T. 1 11a >>> 642 >>> then by 1901: >>> Elizabeth Gardner8 >>> Jane Gardner4 >>> Francis Gardner2 >>> Sarah Gardner1 >>> Jun 1892 Cunningham Elizabeth Merthyr T. 11a >>> 662 >>> Dec 1896 Cunningham ***Jane Gardner*** Merthyr T. >>> 11a >>> 695 >>> Jun 1898 Cunningham ***Francis Gardner *** Merthyr T. >>> 11a 713 >>> Mar 1900 Cunningham ***Sarah Gardner *** Merthyr T. >>> 11a >>> 726 >>> I could find no marriage for Peter Gardner and Elizabeth Cunningham at >>> any >>> time. >>> Dai Bevan >>> -- >>> >>> To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com >>> GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at >>> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html >>> - >>> >>> A web site has been prepared to help you use the Glamorgan List >>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ >>> >>> - >>> A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may >>> be >>> found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ >>> >>> - >>> The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages >>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and >>> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>

To all of you who helped me - Eliz Hanebury, Jeff Coleman, Dai Bevan, Brenda Jones, Gillian Cash and Wendy (last name unknown) - So much help you have given me. When I got home this evening my inbox was brimming with wonderful things from you. I have printed all of them and will spread them out on the dining room table tomorrow and see if I can put them all together. Right now my head is swimming with “Peter”, “Catherine”, “Charlotte”, “Mary Ann”, “Margaret”, “Thomas”, “Lydia” and all the rest. I am hoping that after a good night’s rest I will be able to sort them all out. Again, many, many thanks. Elizabeth (Liz) Wight Tacoma, Washington, USA

Hello I'm trying to find any information post 1871 about Henry Waters, a railway guard, working in Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, Wales and a lodger at 1, Wyndham Row with John & Phoebe Basset in the 1871 census. He was born in Weston, near Bath, Somerset in 1844 to John & Mary Waters. The 1871 census is the last I can find of him. Although there is a Henry Waters in the Probate records who has a railway connection, the executors names don't fit. Anything would be useful! Many thanks Lottie This email and any files transmitted with it were intended solely for the addressee. If you have received this email in error please let the sender know by return. Please think before you print.

I found, tripped across, Peters bc which seems to back up Jeff. He was born first Aug 1859 at 16 Castle St mother;s maiden name was Gardner (thus Charlotte as Mother in law in 1861) Eliz Not Today and Not without a Fight (Anon) For all that has been, thanks. For all that will be, yes. (Dag Hammarskjold)

Here might be one explanation for the namesscroll down to Charlotte Gardner The interesting thing is Peter and Mary Ann and Peter seem to be in Rhode Island Peter Cunningham Age:1 Estimated birth year:abt 1860 Relation:Boarder Son (Boarder) Father's name:Peter Cunningham Mother's name:Mary Ann Cunningham Gender:Male Where born:Plymouth, Devon, England Civil Parish or Township:Abergavenny Town:Abergavenny County/Island:Monmouthshire Country:Wales Street address:View image Condition as to marriage:View image Education:View image Employment status:View image Occupation:View image Registration district:Abergavenny Sub-registration district:Abergavenny ED, institution, or vessel:3 Household schedule number:59 Neighbors:View others on page Piece:3993 Folio:44 Page Number:9 Household Members: NameAge Robert James40 Sarah James30 Henery James4 Robert James2 Peter Cunningham24 Mary Ann Cunningham20 William J Cunningham4 Peter Cunningham1 Charlotte Gardner54 Margaret Hodges49 SAVE Cancel Source Citation Class: RG9; Piece: 3993; Folio: 44; Page: 9; GSU roll: 543218 Source Information Ancestry.com. 1861 Wales Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2005. Original data: Census Returns of England and Wales, 1861. Kew, Surrey, England: The National Archives of the UK (TNA): Public Record Office (PRO), 1861 Peter Cunningham Birth Date:abt 1861 Birth Place:England Gender:Male Age:14 Marital Status:Single Relationship:Son (Child) Enumeration Year:1875 Township:Lincoln County:Providence Enumeration District or Census Tract:8 Line Number:14 Household number:38 Volume Number:10 Page Number:264 Household Members: NameAge Peter Cunningham37 ??/Shinner Mary Cunningham37 Weaver Peter Cunningham14 Weaver Mary Oates67 SAVE Source Information Ancestry.com. Rhode Island, State Censuses, 1865-1935 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2013. Eliz Not Today and Not without a Fight (Anon) For all that has been, thanks. For all that will be, yes. (Dag Hammarskjold) On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Jeff Coleman <Jeff.Coleman@ntlworld.com> wrote: > No he wasn't! that was a different Peter Gardner, several years younger, > born in March quarter 1861. > > If it was the same one, why would he register most of his children as > CUNINGHAM or CUNNINGHAM? > > That one married in October 1881 in Plymouth I think, either to Tabitha > Piper or Jane Lane Walters > > If he was in Merthyr in 1881 with blind 'mother' Charlote Gardner, how come > he went back to Plymouth ? > > See my later emails on this subject. > > The key thing to do is to get a few birth certificates for the children, > both those registered as CUNNINGHAM and those registered as GARDNER, and > check whether the mother's maiden name shows up as Saunders ( or similar). > > Another thing to do is to check the US records of Sarah GARDNER born 1900 > and family stories to see whether they turn up Merthyr Vale and some of the > names of the large number of siblings. > > Jeff > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eliz Hanebury" <elizhgene@gmail.com> > To: "Jeff Coleman" <Jeff.Coleman@ntlworld.com> > Cc: "Dai & Angela Bevan" <daibevan@clara.co.uk>; "wesixski11" > <wesixski11@harbornet.com>; "GLAMORGAN@rootsweb" <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 9:26 PM > Subject: Re: [GLA] Peter Gardner > > >> Jeff he was with his parents in 1871, father Peter and mother >> Catherine also in 1861 >> Eliz >> Not Today and Not without a Fight >> (Anon) >> >> For all that has been, thanks. >> For all that will be, yes. >> (Dag Hammarskjold) >> >> >> On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 6:47 AM, Jeff Coleman <Jeff.Coleman@ntlworld.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> In 1911 census they appear as GARDNER at 18 Bryntaf, Aberfan, Merthyr >>> Vale >>> >>> Peter gave his age as 51, and he was a Coal Miner Hewer. There follows an >>> extra piece which has been crossed through "unable to work through ill >>> health over the years" >>> >>> Elizabeth gave her age as 50, born Swansea, an it is shown that they had >>> been married for 29 years and had had 14 children, of whom 12 were living >>> and two had died. Curiously, it is clear they had originally put down 15 >>> children, but this has been amended. >>> >>> 10 of the children were living with them, in a house shown as having '5 >>> rooms + 1 room used as small shop'. >>> Those at home were William 25, Thomas John 23, John 21, all shown as Coal >>> Miner Hewer, >>> Charlotte 20, Elizabeth 18, Francis 12, Sarah 11, Ellen 9, Margaret 7 and >>> Daniel 5. Francis and Sarah were shown as 'At school' but the words 'At >>> school' had been crossed out for the three youngest children. >>> >>> Presumably Lydia and Jane had died, married or moved away. >>> Lydia appears to have married, as Lydia Gardner, in December quarter 1904 >>> either to John O'Brien or William Henry Rees. See www.FreeBMD.org.uk for >>> details. As Lydia was one of the eldest, the name of her father shown on >>> her marriage certificate should be of interest. Judging by 1911 census, I >>> think she married John OBrien and by 1911 they had three children and >>> were >>> living in 18 Taff Street, Merthyr Vale.( a few doors form where she lived >>> in >>> 1901) She seems to have died in Merthyr Tydfil district in June quarter >>> 1953. >>> >>> The birth of Ellen seems to be June quarter 1902 as Gardner, and that of >>> Daniel in December quarter 1905 as Gardner. The death of Jane Gardner age >>> 12 >>> was registered in December quarter 1908, all in Merthyr Tydfil. >>> >>> The birth of Sarah Gardner Cunningham was registered March quarter 1900, >>> GRO >>> ref 11a 726. It would seem to be worth purchasing a birth certificate >>> from >>> GRO, using online ordering at >>> https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp >>> This will show the names of her father and mother (including any previous >>> surname of the mother) as advised to the registrar. >>> >>> If the person you are researching for is not aware of Welsh history, they >>> should do an online search for Aberfan. >>> >>> There were two marriages in Glamorgan around 1880-1883 of men called >>> CUNNINGHAM where women called Elizabeth appear on the same page, both in >>> Merthyr Tydfil district. Joseph in 1880 and John in 1882. >>> >>> I do not know whether the death of a John Cunningham age 55 in Cardiff >>> district in December quarter 1900 is relevant. >>> >>> Divorce was extremely expensive and difficult to obtain in late 19th >>> century >>> for ordinary people. A possibility is that Elizabeth was actually married >>> to >>> someone called Cunningham, but from some time in the 1880s started living >>> with Peter Gardner. Careful examination of the birth certificates may >>> show >>> light as to why the children were only registered as Gardner from 1902 >>> onwards. >>> >>> In 1881 Peter Gardner 21 b Plymouth was living in Merthyr with his mother >>> Charlote (shown as age 73) b Bristol, a widow. >>> >>> In 1891 census Mary Ann is shown as age 8 born Trealaw, which is in the >>> Rhondda, and would have been in Pontypridd registration district. She >>> does >>> not seem to have been registered either as Cunningham or Gardner. >>> >>> Finding Peter's birth registration, and his whereabouts in 1871, may be >>> of >>> interest. >>> >>> Jeff >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dai & Angela Bevan via" >>> <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> >>> To: "Eliz Hanebury" <elizhgene@gmail.com>; "wesixski11" >>> <wesixski11@harbornet.com>; "GLAMORGAN@rootsweb" <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> >>> >>> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 8:41 AM >>> Subject: Re: [GLA] Peter Gardner >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Elizabeth and Eliz, >>>> I could not find birth registrations for the Gardner children in >>>> Merthyr >>>> Tydfil, but they seem to correlate to births with the surname >>>> CUNNINGHAM >>>> Jun 1884 Cunningham Lydia Merthyr T. 1 11a 533 >>>> Dec 1885 Cunningham William Merthyr T. 1 11a >>>> 500 >>>> Sep 1887 Cunningham Thomas John Merthyr. T. 1 11a >>>> 532 >>>> Sep 1889 Cunningham John Merthyr T. 1 11a 543 >>>> Mar 1891 Cunningham Charlotte Merthyr T. 1 11a >>>> 642 >>>> then by 1901: >>>> Elizabeth Gardner8 >>>> Jane Gardner4 >>>> Francis Gardner2 >>>> Sarah Gardner1 >>>> Jun 1892 Cunningham Elizabeth Merthyr T. 11a 662 >>>> Dec 1896 Cunningham ***Jane Gardner*** Merthyr T. 11a >>>> 695 >>>> Jun 1898 Cunningham ***Francis Gardner *** Merthyr T. >>>> 11a 713 >>>> Mar 1900 Cunningham ***Sarah Gardner *** Merthyr T. 11a >>>> 726 >>>> I could find no marriage for Peter Gardner and Elizabeth Cunningham at >>>> any >>>> time. >>>> Dai Bevan >>>> -- >>>> >>>> To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com >>>> GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at >>>> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html >>>> - >>>> >>>> A web site has been prepared to help you use the Glamorgan List >>>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ >>>> >>>> - >>>> A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may >>>> be >>>> found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ >>>> >>>> - >>>> The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages >>>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and >>>> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >

In 1881 Peter Gardner age 21 was with Charlote Gardner b Bristol age 73 who was Blind, in Ynysgau, Merthyr Tydfil. She was listed as Mother, which seems odd as she would have been about 52 at his birth. In 1871 at 9 Appleton Court, Ynysgau Street, Merthyr Tydfil there was Charlotte Gardner age 63 b Bristol, Somerset, who was blind, and with here were tow Grandsons, W. John Cunningham age 14 b Cheltenham, Gloucestershire and Peter Cunningham age 13 b Plymouth, both working as 'Tinman'. In 1861 at Tudor Street, Abergavenny, Monmouthshire there was a family boarding in the household of Robert James, and agricultural labourer b Lancashire. These were Peter Cunningham, 24, Railway Labourer, b Birmingham, Warwickshire, his wife Mary Ann 20, two sons William J Cunningham, 4, b Cheltenham, Gloucestershire and Peter Cunningham, 20 months, b Plymouth,Devonshire, and Charlotte Gardner , mother-in-law, 54, widow, b Gloucestershire, Bristol, who was blind. In September quarter 1856 in Warwick registration district two of the four names on one registration page, GRO ref 6d 593 are Peter Cunningham and Mary Ann Gardner. There is a birth of William John Cunningham in June quarter 1857 in Cheltenham Registration district, GRO ref 6a 360 There is a birth of Peter Cunningham in September quarter 1859 in Plymouth Registration district GRO ref 5b 238 There is a death of Mary Ann Cunningham in June quarter 1862 in Crickhowell registration district, just outside Abergavenny. A newspaper report from Pontypridd magistrates court in the Cardiff Times 22nd June 1866 reports a Peter Cunningham and James Ball committed for trial at the quarter sessions for the theft of two fowls, a cage and three starlings, the property of Henry Jones, at Llantrisant on 8th June. In a newspaper report in the Western Mail 13th May 1869 a Peter Cunningham, William Davies and Richard Morris (a militiaman) were charged with burglariously entering the shop of Charles Prewitt, grocer, in Charlotte Street, Cardiff, and stealing a dish of butter, several loaves of bread and about a quarter of a hundred bloaters. Peter Cunningham was found by a policeman with a bloater and a loaf in his hand. The case at Cardiff magistrates was adjourned. The Cardiff Times report of 24th July of their trial in this case shows that Peter Cunningham was 23 and a seaman, so this seems to be a case of coincidence of name. They were found not guilty, as the only witness to the break-in had absconded. Another court report from the Cardiff Times of 6th July 1872 from Blackwood magistrates court includes a Peter Cunningham in a list of people charged with trespass and damaging grass in a field belonging to the Ebbw Vale company at Cwm. About 50 persons had assembled to see two men fight. In the 1890s a different Peter Cunningham seems to have been in trouble with the law in the Rhondda. There was a marriage at Merthyr Tydfil Parish Church on 28th May 1881 of Peter Cuningham, 21, Bachelor, labourer son of Peter Cuningham, Pedler and Elizabeth Saunders, 21, spinster, daughter of John Saunders, Engineer. Peter signed and Elizabeth made her mark. This marriage is indexed by the GRO in Merthyr Tydfil district June quarter 1881 ref 11a 608 The birth of Mary Ann Cuningham was registered in December quarter 1882 in Merthyr Tydfil registration district ref 11a 452. Charlotte Gardner age 78 died in March quarter 1886 in Merthyr Tydfil district, GRO ref 11a 392 Why did Peter change his name to Gardner, his mother's maiden name? Who knows? And a simple spelling change misled us... My earlier hypothesis about Peter's possible cohabitation was clearly wrong. Whether any of the court appearances involved Peter or his father, or someone completely different we just don't know. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dai & Angela Bevan via" <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> To: "Eliz Hanebury" <elizhgene@gmail.com>; "wesixski11" <wesixski11@harbornet.com>; "GLAMORGAN@rootsweb" <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [GLA] Peter Gardner > > Elizabeth and Eliz, > I could not find birth registrations for the Gardner children in Merthyr > Tydfil, but they seem to correlate to births with the surname CUNNINGHAM > Jun 1884 Cunningham Lydia Merthyr T. 1 11a 533 > Dec 1885 Cunningham William Merthyr T. 1 11a > 500 > Sep 1887 Cunningham Thomas John Merthyr. T. 1 11a > 532 > Sep 1889 Cunningham John Merthyr T. 1 11a 543 > Mar 1891 Cunningham Charlotte Merthyr T. 1 11a > 642 > then by 1901: > Elizabeth Gardner8 > Jane Gardner4 > Francis Gardner2 > Sarah Gardner1 > Jun 1892 Cunningham Elizabeth Merthyr T. 11a 662 > Dec 1896 Cunningham ***Jane Gardner*** Merthyr T. 11a > 695 > Jun 1898 Cunningham ***Francis Gardner *** Merthyr T. > 11a 713 > Mar 1900 Cunningham ***Sarah Gardner *** Merthyr T. 11a > 726 > I could find no marriage for Peter Gardner and Elizabeth Cunningham at > any > time. > Dai Bevan > -- > > To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > > A web site has been prepared to help you use the Glamorgan List > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ > > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be > found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jeff he was with his parents in 1871, father Peter and mother Catherine also in 1861 Eliz Not Today and Not without a Fight (Anon) For all that has been, thanks. For all that will be, yes. (Dag Hammarskjold) On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 6:47 AM, Jeff Coleman <Jeff.Coleman@ntlworld.com> wrote: > In 1911 census they appear as GARDNER at 18 Bryntaf, Aberfan, Merthyr Vale > > Peter gave his age as 51, and he was a Coal Miner Hewer. There follows an > extra piece which has been crossed through "unable to work through ill > health over the years" > > Elizabeth gave her age as 50, born Swansea, an it is shown that they had > been married for 29 years and had had 14 children, of whom 12 were living > and two had died. Curiously, it is clear they had originally put down 15 > children, but this has been amended. > > 10 of the children were living with them, in a house shown as having '5 > rooms + 1 room used as small shop'. > Those at home were William 25, Thomas John 23, John 21, all shown as Coal > Miner Hewer, > Charlotte 20, Elizabeth 18, Francis 12, Sarah 11, Ellen 9, Margaret 7 and > Daniel 5. Francis and Sarah were shown as 'At school' but the words 'At > school' had been crossed out for the three youngest children. > > Presumably Lydia and Jane had died, married or moved away. > Lydia appears to have married, as Lydia Gardner, in December quarter 1904 > either to John O'Brien or William Henry Rees. See www.FreeBMD.org.uk for > details. As Lydia was one of the eldest, the name of her father shown on > her marriage certificate should be of interest. Judging by 1911 census, I > think she married John OBrien and by 1911 they had three children and were > living in 18 Taff Street, Merthyr Vale.( a few doors form where she lived in > 1901) She seems to have died in Merthyr Tydfil district in June quarter > 1953. > > The birth of Ellen seems to be June quarter 1902 as Gardner, and that of > Daniel in December quarter 1905 as Gardner. The death of Jane Gardner age 12 > was registered in December quarter 1908, all in Merthyr Tydfil. > > The birth of Sarah Gardner Cunningham was registered March quarter 1900, GRO > ref 11a 726. It would seem to be worth purchasing a birth certificate from > GRO, using online ordering at > https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp > This will show the names of her father and mother (including any previous > surname of the mother) as advised to the registrar. > > If the person you are researching for is not aware of Welsh history, they > should do an online search for Aberfan. > > There were two marriages in Glamorgan around 1880-1883 of men called > CUNNINGHAM where women called Elizabeth appear on the same page, both in > Merthyr Tydfil district. Joseph in 1880 and John in 1882. > > I do not know whether the death of a John Cunningham age 55 in Cardiff > district in December quarter 1900 is relevant. > > Divorce was extremely expensive and difficult to obtain in late 19th century > for ordinary people. A possibility is that Elizabeth was actually married to > someone called Cunningham, but from some time in the 1880s started living > with Peter Gardner. Careful examination of the birth certificates may show > light as to why the children were only registered as Gardner from 1902 > onwards. > > In 1881 Peter Gardner 21 b Plymouth was living in Merthyr with his mother > Charlote (shown as age 73) b Bristol, a widow. > > In 1891 census Mary Ann is shown as age 8 born Trealaw, which is in the > Rhondda, and would have been in Pontypridd registration district. She does > not seem to have been registered either as Cunningham or Gardner. > > Finding Peter's birth registration, and his whereabouts in 1871, may be of > interest. > > Jeff > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dai & Angela Bevan via" > <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> > To: "Eliz Hanebury" <elizhgene@gmail.com>; "wesixski11" > <wesixski11@harbornet.com>; "GLAMORGAN@rootsweb" <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 8:41 AM > Subject: Re: [GLA] Peter Gardner > > >> >> Elizabeth and Eliz, >> I could not find birth registrations for the Gardner children in Merthyr >> Tydfil, but they seem to correlate to births with the surname CUNNINGHAM >> Jun 1884 Cunningham Lydia Merthyr T. 1 11a 533 >> Dec 1885 Cunningham William Merthyr T. 1 11a 500 >> Sep 1887 Cunningham Thomas John Merthyr. T. 1 11a >> 532 >> Sep 1889 Cunningham John Merthyr T. 1 11a 543 >> Mar 1891 Cunningham Charlotte Merthyr T. 1 11a 642 >> then by 1901: >> Elizabeth Gardner8 >> Jane Gardner4 >> Francis Gardner2 >> Sarah Gardner1 >> Jun 1892 Cunningham Elizabeth Merthyr T. 11a 662 >> Dec 1896 Cunningham ***Jane Gardner*** Merthyr T. 11a >> 695 >> Jun 1898 Cunningham ***Francis Gardner *** Merthyr T. >> 11a 713 >> Mar 1900 Cunningham ***Sarah Gardner *** Merthyr T. 11a >> 726 >> I could find no marriage for Peter Gardner and Elizabeth Cunningham at >> any >> time. >> Dai Bevan >> -- >> >> To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com >> GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html >> - >> >> A web site has been prepared to help you use the Glamorgan List >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ >> >> - >> A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be >> found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ >> >> - >> The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and >> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

If you look at Welsh Newspapers Online https://www.llgc.org.uk/index.php?id=4723 (and links from that to http://newspapers.library.wales/ ) for "Peter Gardner" you come up with a number of items in the Merthyr Express in which Peter Gardner is shown as the Treasurer of the Taff and Cynon District of the South Wales Miners' Federation [known as 'the Fed']. In the article dated 22nd January 1910 there is reference to paying the expenses of the strike at the Navigation pit, and they voted the sum of £10 to the Merthyr Boroughs L.R.C. towards defraying the election expenses of Mr Keir Hardie, and a vote of confidence in Mr. Keir Hardie was carried. http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3815366/3815370/46/ In the edition of 8th October 1910 Peter Gardner presided at a meeting in Merthyr Vale. http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3815847/3815852/47/ At this meeting Mr James Winstone was the main speaker, and referred to the 'Cambrian' dispute and coalowner D.A.Thomas. In the course of the address Mr Winstone said South Wales was the scene of a great tragedy, on the one hand enormous wealth, and power to continue to exploit the workers, and on the other hand extreme poverty. They were opening soup-kitchens in the richest coalfield under God's heaven. No employers anywhere made such immense profits, and yet there were from fifteen to twenty thousand workers who did not receive for a full day's work sufficient to live decent humane lives. After encouraging those present to become missionaries in this fight against capitalism, he advocated the nationalisation of the coal industry. Just occasionally when you are researching someone you had not even heard of a few hours ago you get a window into the world they lived in, and a perception of how they might have viewed it. It would appear that Peter Gardner was an active trade unionist. In fact as far back as 1894 he was vice-chair at a meeting of the Cambrian Miners' Association , at a meeting where W. Abraham MP (Mabon) was present. (South Wales Echo 27 November 1894 http://newspapers.library.wales/view/4601227/4601231/92/ In Merthyr Vale in 1896 he presided at a meeting where 'Mabon' spoke. Merthyr Times and Dowlais Times and Aberdare Echo, 30th January 1896 , http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3099107/3099115/90/ In 1898 South Wales Echo 25th July 1898 (Special edition) Peter Gardner addressed the Merthyr Board of Guardians on behalf of men who were being employed by the Guardians breaking stone in the stone yards, which it was proposed to close. He asked whether his wife and family would have to come into the house (workhouse) if the stone-breaking was stopped. [I assume this was a form of poor relief in which claimants were forced into work. Workhouses were at various time suppliers of broken stone for road-building and repair.] http://newspapers.library.wales/view/4606804/4606807/61/ In 1896 http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3099206/3099211/67/ Merthyr Times and Dowlais Times and Aberdare Echo 16th April 1896 Peter Gardner chaired a meeting of Merthyr Vale Colliery workmen about the election of a medical practitioner to the Colliery. Also in 1896 Merthyr Times and Dowlais Times and Aberdare Echo 30th January 1896 at a meeting addressed by Alfred Thomas MP, Peter Gardner proposed the formation of a Liberal Association at Merthyr Vale. A degree of prescience was shown by the speaker, who referred to the 'Armenian question' and atrocities in Turkey. http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3099107/3099109/6/ In 1910, The Merthyr Express, 6th August 1910 , Mr. Peter Gardner, 18, Bryntaf, Aberfan, desires to THANK the many friends who so kindly assisted him with coupons for the South Wales Daily News free holiday scheme. There were so many from all parts who sent coupons, and, whether successful or not, he feels that his sincere thanks are due to all. http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3815730/3815736/85/ He had previously sought 'coupons' for this free holiday promotion: "MR. PETER GARDNER, 18, Bryntaf, Aberfan, is a candidate for the South Wales Daily News" free holiday. and solicits support of members of t,he Miners' Federation, Manchester- Unity of Oddfellows and R.A.O.B. Coupons should be sent to above address not later than June 4th. Jy. " That item appeared in the Merthyr Express for several weeks in 1910. There is not much on Peter Gardner after 1910, though in 1915 he wrote to the Board of Guardians to complain that the parish doctor had not attended his daughter's confinement until a day after he was sent for. In 1914 he was still district treasurer for the 'Fed'. He appears to have died in 1918. Deaths Mar 1918 Gardner Peter 58 Merthyr T. 11a 787 Google a few of the items and people mentioned and you will see that Peter Gardner was a player in significant social and political developments. Maybe he was appointed to the role of Fed treasurer because his health problems meant he had more time than those in full employment. Maybe he was not working because he had been blacklisted, as many of the officials of the 'Fed' were in later years. There is a book "'The Fed' A History of the South Wales Miners in the 20th Century by Hywel Francis and Dai Smith " which may conceivably have a mention of Peter Gardner, and will certainly show the context of his life and public activities. For photos and a potted history of Merthyr Vale see http://www.alangeorge.co.uk/merthyrvale.htm. There is even a photo of Taff Street. Also http://www.alangeorge.co.uk/aberfan.htm about Aberfan. Aberfan is opposite Merthyr Vale on the other side of the valley of the river Taff. If you are after family history rather than just a list of names and dates, there may be quite a lot to find. Best wishes Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "wesixski11 via" <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> To: "glamorgan-request@rootsweb.com" <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 2:33 AM Subject: [GLA] Peter Gardner > Hello List. I am rather new to the list but have been reading all the > posts hoping to find a good researcher who I can hire to help with Peter > Gardner and his family. > Peter Gardner was born in about 1859 in Plymouth, Devon, England, and > married Elizabeth (last name unknown) in about 1882 in Merthyr Tydfil, > Glamorgan, Wales. Elizabeth had been born in about 1861 in Swansea, > Glamorgan, Wales. > They had a family of eight children, all born in Merthyr Tydfil: Mary Ann > Gardner, born about 1883; Lydia b. 1885; William b. 1886; Thomas John b. > 1888; John b. 1890; Charlotte b. 1891; Elizabeth b. 1893 and Sarah Vivian, > b. 1900, died 6 May 1986 in Great Neck, Nassau County, New York, USA. > > I have been asked by Sarah Vivian Gardner Hartz’s family (who all live in > the USA) to find out about her ancestors. > Does anyone know of a good, honest researcher who would help me? > Thank you. > Elizabeth Wight > Tacoma, Washington, USA > -- > > To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > > A web site has been prepared to help you use the Glamorgan List > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ > > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be > found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

subject peter Gardner I found the family of Gardners in 1891. For some reason Ancestry.co.uk could not find them but they came up ok on Find my past. The writing was very difficult to read so I expect it has been mis-transcribed on Ancestry. Charlotte is shown as being born in Exeter Devon, she is 3 mths old. They are in 22 Taff Street, Merthyr Vale, which is quite a few miles from Merthyr Tydfil. Regards Brenda Jones ________________________________________ From: glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com [glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com] on behalf of glamorgan-request@rootsweb.com [glamorgan-request@rootsweb.com] Sent: 25 July 2015 04:45 To: glamorgan@rootsweb.com Subject: GLAMORGAN Digest, Vol 10, Issue 124 To request change of Digest Format contact GLAMORGAN-admin@rootsweb.com and be patient. Jeff. List Admin To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com . GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html - A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html Today's Topics: 1. Re: GLAMORGAN Digest, Vol 10, Issue 123 (Linda Dimino) 2. Photos of: St Caron's Church, Tregaron (CGN); St Mary's Church, Tregare (MON), St Michael's Church and Zoar Chapel, Trefeglwys (MGY) (John Ball) 3. Peter Gardner (wesixski11) 4. Edwards Strays living in RiscaI (Eliz Hanebury) 5. Re: Peter Gardner (Eliz Hanebury) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 13:27:25 +0000 (UTC) From: Linda Dimino <familyseeker95@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [GLA] GLAMORGAN Digest, Vol 10, Issue 123 To: "glamorgan@rootsweb.com" <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <660361064.1888485.1437744445531.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I need assists as the film clip of the last train journey is not viewable in the US and I would very much like to watch it. ThanksLinda On Friday, July 24, 2015 12:21 AM, "glamorgan-request@rootsweb.com" <glamorgan-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: To request change of Digest Format contact GLAMORGAN-admin@rootsweb.com and be patient. Jeff. List Admin To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com . GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html - A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html Today's Topics: ? 1. Re: Archive movie film: Swansea to Pontardulais by steam ? ? ? train (Jeff Coleman) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 22:01:07 +0100 From: "Jeff Coleman" <Jeff.Coleman@ntlworld.com> Subject: Re: [GLA] Archive movie film: Swansea to Pontardulais by ??? steam train To: "Cheryl Bennett" <2ndcitycouncil@earthlink.net> Cc: Glamorgan List <Glamorgan@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <AB924554431244A2BEE6C4972D71BA47@JeffPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; ??? reply-type=original I forwarded John's message to various people who are not on the list. One of them replied thus: With a bit searching on that site, I found a film about the Mumbles Railway from the same person - it is at http://player.bfi.org.uk/film/watch-mumbles-railway-1804-1960-last-journey-1960/ in case anyone is interested. It is mainly about the last day of operation, but sadly, it ends with scenes of work to break up the tramcars. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Bennett" <2ndcitycouncil@earthlink.net> To: "Jeff Coleman" <Jeff.Coleman@ntlworld.com> Cc: "John Ball" <john@jlb2011.co.uk>; "Glamorgan List" <Glamorgan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 2:27 AM Subject: Re: [GLA] Archive movie film: Swansea to Pontardulais by steam train So disappointed.? I love old footage and about Wales - WOW!? Tried to watch all three.? I can access the site but just before it starts to play, I get the same error message, "Content Unavailable.? The video is not authorized for your location (US)." Cheryl On Jul 22, 2015, at 1:17 PM, Jeff Coleman via wrote: > Many thanks, John, for finding this. Super. > > You may also like a 12-minute silent film of Ferndale, Rhondda where a > Carnival held on 2nd August 1926 in aid of the Distress Fund (to do with > the > lockout/strike). > > http://player.bfi.org.uk/film/watch-ferndale-carnival-held-in-aid-of-the-distress-fund-august-2nd-1926-1926/ > Jazz bands with kazoos, improvised costumes with contingents as red > indians, > zulus, guardsmen, pierrots, convicts etc and children in fancy dress. St > John Ambulance acting as stewards, and a wonderful collection of caps and > hats. > > Also a more general 1926 film 'Dear Cambria' > http://player.bfi.org.uk/film/watch-dear-cambria-1926/ > > which has some shots of Swansea 1926 eisteddfod, Mumbles and Gower. > > The commentary stills appears to show a rather condescending attitude > which > some might say was not untypical of inhabitants of the South-East of > England > towards Wales even now. > > Jeff > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Ball via" <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> > To: "Glamorgan List" <Glamorgan@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 2:27 PM > Subject: [GLA] Archive movie film: Swansea to Pontardulais by steam train > > >> Dear Listers, >> >> I've just been watching a superb piece of archive film, shot in June >> 1964, >> of a steam-hauled train journey from Swansea Victoria Station to >> Pontardulais. The film is in colour and lasts about 12 minutes. >> Those of you who know the Swansea area will recognise lots of familiar >> sights. The soundtrack is of rather poor quality and the commentary >> muffled, >> but the visuals are priceless. >> The footage was shot by Swansea?s Borough Librarian, Leslie M Rees and >> his >> deputy. Mr Rees provides the commentary. >> >> The film is accessible on the British Film Institute website at: >> http://player.bfi.org.uk/film/watch-swansea-victoria-pontardulais-railway-1964-june-1964/ >> >> Kind regards, >> >> >> John >> -------------------- >> John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK >> E-mail: john@jlb2011.co.uk >> Personal Homepage: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk >> Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/ >> Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/wales/ >> Blog: http://johnofbrecon.com >> >> Webmaster, Breconshire Local & Family History Society >> http://www.blfhs.co.uk/ >> GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ >> Administrator - Powys RootsWeb mailing list >> >> >> -- >> >> To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com >> GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html >> - >> >> A web site has been prepared to help you use the Glamorgan List >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ >> >> - >> A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be >> found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ >> >> - >> The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and >> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > > To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > > A web site has been prepared to help you use the Glamorgan List > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ > > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be > found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ To contact the GLAMORGAN list administrator, send an email to GLAMORGAN-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the GLAMORGAN mailing list, send an email to GLAMORGAN@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of GLAMORGAN Digest, Vol 10, Issue 123 ****************************************** ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 15:13:51 +0100 From: "John Ball" <john@jlb2011.co.uk> Subject: [GLA] Photos of: St Caron's Church, Tregaron (CGN); St Mary's Church, Tregare (MON), St Michael's Church and Zoar Chapel, Trefeglwys (MGY) To: "Powys List" <powys@rootsweb.com>, "Glamorgan List" <Glamorgan@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <09C5B4B4057A46D1825D53E7B4A631AA@Win7PC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear Listers, I've just added four more subjects to my 'Welsh Churches and Chapels Collection': 1. St Caron's Church, Tregaron, Cardiganshire Photography: John Ball. Go to www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/churches/tregaron1.htm 2. St Mary's Church, Tregare, Monmouthshire Photography: Steve Veysey. Go to www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/churches/tregare1.htm 3. St Michael's Church, Trefeglwys, Montgomeryshire Photography: John Ball. Go to www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/churches/trefeglwys1.htm 4. Zoar Wesleyan Methodist Chapel, Trefeglwys, Montgomeryshire Photography: John Ball. Go to www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/churches/trefeglwys2.htm The 'Welsh Churches and Chapels Collection' now features 384 churches and chapels, with at least twenty-five still in the pipeline. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2011.co.uk Personal Homepage: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/wales/ Blog: http://johnofbrecon.com Webmaster, Breconshire Local & Family History Society http://www.blfhs.co.uk/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Administrator - Powys RootsWeb mailing list ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 18:33:08 -0700 From: "wesixski11" <wesixski11@harbornet.com> Subject: [GLA] Peter Gardner To: "glamorgan-request@rootsweb.com" <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <AE662224C9FD4EAE961AEB335B0A7D4B@wfwks01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hello List. I am rather new to the list but have been reading all the posts hoping to find a good researcher who I can hire to help with Peter Gardner and his family. Peter Gardner was born in about 1859 in Plymouth, Devon, England, and married Elizabeth (last name unknown) in about 1882 in Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, Wales. Elizabeth had been born in about 1861 in Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales. They had a family of eight children, all born in Merthyr Tydfil: Mary Ann Gardner, born about 1883; Lydia b. 1885; William b. 1886; Thomas John b. 1888; John b. 1890; Charlotte b. 1891; Elizabeth b. 1893 and Sarah Vivian, b. 1900, died 6 May 1986 in Great Neck, Nassau County, New York, USA. I have been asked by Sarah Vivian Gardner Hartz?s family (who all live in the USA) to find out about her ancestors. Does anyone know of a good, honest researcher who would help me? Thank you. Elizabeth Wight Tacoma, Washington, USA ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 23:13:24 -0400 From: Eliz Hanebury <elizhgene@gmail.com> Subject: [GLA] Edwards Strays living in RiscaI To: DYFED <dyfed@rootsweb.com>, glamorgan Rootsweb <GLAMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <CA+TOumjHRw2xjN+0Bm3RJAg1_h3vJdkprUsX29HcmA1hBurLvg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I was looking for William Edwards the husband of my ancestral aunt Rebecca Lloyd (who had her brother Thomas Lloyd living with her a lot) when I found this family Asaph and Jane (Walters or Watters or Wallers) Edwards. Asaph and Jane were from Glamorgan and I am not sure Monmouth belongs with Dyfed but since this is the first time I have found such a wonderful record (the image shows birth dates and maiden names and all) I thought I would share. All are on the same page. Trouble <G> is they aren't my man! England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1970 Wm Edwards Birth Date:12 Dec 1816 Birth Place:Risca, Wales Event Type:Baptism Father:Asaph Edwards Mother:Jane Edwards Baptism Date:16 Feb 1817 Baptism Place:Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales Denomination:Calvinistic Methodist Piece Title:Piece 1250: Tredegar, Penuel Chapel (Calvinistic Methodist), 1806-1837 SAVE Cancel Source Information Ancestry.com. England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1970 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2013 Wm Edwards1816 Baptism16 Feb 1817 Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales Asaph, Jane JaneEdwards1813Baptism15 Aug 1813Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales Asaph,Jane Thomas Edwards 1815 Baptism 4 Jun 1815 Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales Asaph,Jane Daniel Edwards1819 Baptism 30 May 1819 Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales Asaph, Jane Mary Edwards 1823 Baptism 27 Jul 1823 Tredegar, Monmouthshire, Wales Asaph,Jane Eliz Not Today and Not without a Fight (Anon) For all that has been, thanks. For all that will be, yes. (Dag Hammarskjold) ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 23:45:04 -0400 From: Eliz Hanebury <elizhgene@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [GLA] Peter Gardner To: wesixski11 <wesixski11@harbornet.com>, "GLAMORGAN@rootsweb" <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <CA+TOumjzQNtJ6nhmjDvAZ+0EyFKq22PWUd8=TWVPLAe3nRGNLw@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 You may have a problem http://www.freebmd.org.uk/ has only these men marrying between 1875 - 1885. He also isn't in the Non Conformist register The Plymouth marriagee below isn't Elizabeth Anderson George Plymouth 5b532 GARDNER Peter Plymouth 5b532 PIPER Tabitha Plymouth 5b532 Walters Jane Lane Plymouth 5b532 This is Peter and mother in 1881 (scroll down for all the children Peter and Elizabeth had) Peter Gardner Age:21 Estimated birth year:abt 1860 Relation:Head Mother's name:Charlote Gardner Gender:Male Where born:Plymouth Civil Parish:Merthyr Tydfil County/Island:Glamorgan Country:Wales Street address:10 Ynisgau Education:View image Employment status:View image Occupation:Labourer Registration district:Merthyr Tydfil Sub registration district:Lower Merthyr Tydfil ED, institution, or vessel:22 Neighbors:View others on page Piece:5312 Folio:51 Page Number:8 Household Members: NameAge Peter Gardner21 Charlote Gardner73 Source Citation Class: RG11; Piece: 5312; Folio: 51; Page: 8; GSU roll: 1342279 Source Information Ancestry.com and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. 1881 Wales Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2004. Peter Gardner Age in 1901:41 Estimated birth year:abt 1860 Relation:Head Spouse's Name:Elizabeth Gardner Gender:Male Where born:Plymouth, Devon, England Civil Parish:Merthyr Tydfil Ecclesiastical parish:Merthyr Tydfil Town:Merthyr Vale County/Island:Glamorgan Country:Wales Street address:View image Condition as to marriage:View image Education:View image Employment status:View image Occupation:View image Registration district:Merthyr Tydfil Sub-registration district:Lower Merthyr Tydfil ED, institution, or vessel:36 Neighbors:View others on page Household schedule number:121 Piece:5027 Folio:105 Page Number:28 Household Members: NameAge Peter Gardner41 Elizabeth Gardner40 (born Swansea) Mary Ann Gardner18 William Gardner15 Thomas John Gardner13 John Gardner11 Charlotte Gardner10 Elizabeth Gardner8 Jane Gardner4 Francis Gardner2 Sarah Gardner1 SAVE Source Citation Class: RG13; Piece: 5027; Folio: 105; Page: 28 Source Information Ancestry.com. 1901 Wales Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2005 Peter Gardner Age in 1911:51 Estimated birth year:abt 1860 Relation to Head:Head Gender:Male Birth Place:Plymouth, Devonshire, England Civil Parish:Merthyr Tydfil County/Island:Glamorgan Country:Wales Street address:18 Bryntaf Aberfan Merthyr Vale Marital Status:Married Years Married:29 Estimated Marriage Year:1882 Occupation:Coal Miner Hewer Registration district:Merthyr Tydfil Registration District Number:590 Sub-registration district:Lower Merthyr Tydfil ED, institution, or vessel:20 Household schedule number:25 Piece:32444 Household Members: NameAge Peter Gardner 51 Ellen Gardner 9 Margaret Gardner 7 Daniel Gardner 5 Elizabeth Gardner 50 (Merthyr Tydfil miss transcribed as Lydfil) she give she had 14 children with 12 living (Margaret is not at home) William Gardner 25 Thomas John Gardner 23 John Gardner 21 Charlotte Gardner 20 Elizabeth Gardner 18 Francis Gardner 12 Sarah Gardner 11 Source Citation Class: RG14; Piece: 32444; Schedule Number: 25 Charlote Gardner Age:73 Estimated birth year:abt 1808 Relation:Mother Gender:Female Where born:Bristol Civil Parish:Merthyr Tydfil County/Island:Glamorgan Country:Wales Street address:10 Ynisgau Condition as to marriage:Windower (Widowed) Education:View image Employment status:View image Occupation:With Son Registration district:Merthyr Tydfil Sub registration district:Lower Merthyr Tydfil ED, institution, or vessel:22 Neighbors:View others on page Piece:5312 Folio:51 Page Number:8 Household Members: NameAge Peter Gardner21 Charlote Gardner73 SAVE Source Citation Class: RG11; Piece: 5312; Folio: 51; Page: 8; GSU roll: 1342279 Source Information Ancestry.com and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. 1881 Wales Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2004. Maybe? This does match Peter Peter Gardner Age:1/12 Estimated birth year:1861 Relation:Son (Child) Father's name:Peter Gardner Mother's name:Catherine Gardner Gender:Male Where born:Plymouth, Devon, England Civil Parish:St Andrew County/Island:Devon Country:England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district:Plymouth Sub-registration district:St Andrew ED, institution, or vessel:21 Neighbors:View others on page Household schedule number:136 Piece:1444 Folio:108 Page Number:21 Household Members: NameAge Peter Gardner34 Catherine Gardner34 Margaret Gardner15 Thomas Gardner12 Peter Gardner1/12 SAVE Cancel Source Citation Class: RG 9; Piece: 1444; Folio: 108; Page: 21; GSU roll: 542813 Source Information Ancestry.com. 1861 England Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, ________________________________ Marriages Dec 1875 (>99%) ________________________________ GARDNER Peter Banbury 3a1405 ________________________________ Marriages Dec 1877 (>99%) ________________________________ GARDNER Peter Chipping N. 3a1259 ________________________________ Marriages Dec 1880 (>99%) ________________________________ Gardner Peter Chorlton 8c938 ________________________________ Marriages Jun 1881 (>99%) ________________________________ GARDNER Peter Berwick 10b560 ________________________________ Marriages Dec 1881 (>99%) ________________________________ GARDNER Peter Plymouth 5b532 ________________________________ Marriages Sep 1884 (>99%) ________________________________ Gardner Peter Camberwell 1d1339 Eliz Not Today and Not without a Fight (Anon) For all that has been, thanks. For all that will be, yes. (Dag Hammarskjold) On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 9:33 PM, wesixski11 via <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hello List. I am rather new to the list but have been reading all the posts hoping to find a good researcher who I can hire to help with Peter Gardner and his family. > Peter Gardner was born in about 1859 in Plymouth, Devon, England, and married Elizabeth (last name unknown) in about 1882 in Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, Wales. Elizabeth had been born in about 1861 in Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales. > They had a family of eight children, all born in Merthyr Tydfil: Mary Ann Gardner, born about 1883; Lydia b. 1885; William b. 1886; Thomas John b. 1888; John b. 1890; Charlotte b. 1891; Elizabeth b. 1893 and Sarah Vivian, b. 1900, died 6 May 1986 in Great Neck, Nassau County, New York, USA. > > I have been asked by Sarah Vivian Gardner Hartz?s family (who all live in the USA) to find out about her ancestors. > Does anyone know of a good, honest researcher who would help me? > Thank you. > Elizabeth Wight > Tacoma, Washington, USA > -- > > To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > > A web site has been prepared to help you use the Glamorgan List > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ > > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ To contact the GLAMORGAN list administrator, send an email to GLAMORGAN-admin@rootsweb.com. 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In 1911 census they appear as GARDNER at 18 Bryntaf, Aberfan, Merthyr Vale Peter gave his age as 51, and he was a Coal Miner Hewer. There follows an extra piece which has been crossed through "unable to work through ill health over the years" Elizabeth gave her age as 50, born Swansea, an it is shown that they had been married for 29 years and had had 14 children, of whom 12 were living and two had died. Curiously, it is clear they had originally put down 15 children, but this has been amended. 10 of the children were living with them, in a house shown as having '5 rooms + 1 room used as small shop'. Those at home were William 25, Thomas John 23, John 21, all shown as Coal Miner Hewer, Charlotte 20, Elizabeth 18, Francis 12, Sarah 11, Ellen 9, Margaret 7 and Daniel 5. Francis and Sarah were shown as 'At school' but the words 'At school' had been crossed out for the three youngest children. Presumably Lydia and Jane had died, married or moved away. Lydia appears to have married, as Lydia Gardner, in December quarter 1904 either to John O'Brien or William Henry Rees. See www.FreeBMD.org.uk for details. As Lydia was one of the eldest, the name of her father shown on her marriage certificate should be of interest. Judging by 1911 census, I think she married John OBrien and by 1911 they had three children and were living in 18 Taff Street, Merthyr Vale.( a few doors form where she lived in 1901) She seems to have died in Merthyr Tydfil district in June quarter 1953. The birth of Ellen seems to be June quarter 1902 as Gardner, and that of Daniel in December quarter 1905 as Gardner. The death of Jane Gardner age 12 was registered in December quarter 1908, all in Merthyr Tydfil. The birth of Sarah Gardner Cunningham was registered March quarter 1900, GRO ref 11a 726. It would seem to be worth purchasing a birth certificate from GRO, using online ordering at https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp This will show the names of her father and mother (including any previous surname of the mother) as advised to the registrar. If the person you are researching for is not aware of Welsh history, they should do an online search for Aberfan. There were two marriages in Glamorgan around 1880-1883 of men called CUNNINGHAM where women called Elizabeth appear on the same page, both in Merthyr Tydfil district. Joseph in 1880 and John in 1882. I do not know whether the death of a John Cunningham age 55 in Cardiff district in December quarter 1900 is relevant. Divorce was extremely expensive and difficult to obtain in late 19th century for ordinary people. A possibility is that Elizabeth was actually married to someone called Cunningham, but from some time in the 1880s started living with Peter Gardner. Careful examination of the birth certificates may show light as to why the children were only registered as Gardner from 1902 onwards. In 1881 Peter Gardner 21 b Plymouth was living in Merthyr with his mother Charlote (shown as age 73) b Bristol, a widow. In 1891 census Mary Ann is shown as age 8 born Trealaw, which is in the Rhondda, and would have been in Pontypridd registration district. She does not seem to have been registered either as Cunningham or Gardner. Finding Peter's birth registration, and his whereabouts in 1871, may be of interest. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dai & Angela Bevan via" <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> To: "Eliz Hanebury" <elizhgene@gmail.com>; "wesixski11" <wesixski11@harbornet.com>; "GLAMORGAN@rootsweb" <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [GLA] Peter Gardner > > Elizabeth and Eliz, > I could not find birth registrations for the Gardner children in Merthyr > Tydfil, but they seem to correlate to births with the surname CUNNINGHAM > Jun 1884 Cunningham Lydia Merthyr T. 1 11a 533 > Dec 1885 Cunningham William Merthyr T. 1 11a > 500 > Sep 1887 Cunningham Thomas John Merthyr. T. 1 11a > 532 > Sep 1889 Cunningham John Merthyr T. 1 11a 543 > Mar 1891 Cunningham Charlotte Merthyr T. 1 11a > 642 > then by 1901: > Elizabeth Gardner8 > Jane Gardner4 > Francis Gardner2 > Sarah Gardner1 > Jun 1892 Cunningham Elizabeth Merthyr T. 11a 662 > Dec 1896 Cunningham ***Jane Gardner*** Merthyr T. 11a > 695 > Jun 1898 Cunningham ***Francis Gardner *** Merthyr T. > 11a 713 > Mar 1900 Cunningham ***Sarah Gardner *** Merthyr T. 11a > 726 > I could find no marriage for Peter Gardner and Elizabeth Cunningham at > any > time. > Dai Bevan > -- > > To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > > A web site has been prepared to help you use the Glamorgan List > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ > > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be > found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Elizabeth and Eliz, I could not find birth registrations for the Gardner children in Merthyr Tydfil, but they seem to correlate to births with the surname CUNNINGHAM Jun 1884 Cunningham Lydia Merthyr T. 1 11a 533 Dec 1885 Cunningham William Merthyr T. 1 11a 500 Sep 1887 Cunningham Thomas John Merthyr. T. 1 11a 532 Sep 1889 Cunningham John Merthyr T. 1 11a 543 Mar 1891 Cunningham Charlotte Merthyr T. 1 11a 642 then by 1901: Elizabeth Gardner8 Jane Gardner4 Francis Gardner2 Sarah Gardner1 Jun 1892 Cunningham Elizabeth Merthyr T. 11a 662 Dec 1896 Cunningham ***Jane Gardner*** Merthyr T. 11a 695 Jun 1898 Cunningham ***Francis Gardner *** Merthyr T. 11a 713 Mar 1900 Cunningham ***Sarah Gardner *** Merthyr T. 11a 726 I could find no marriage for Peter Gardner and Elizabeth Cunningham at any time. Dai Bevan

Elizabeth and Eliz, There is a strange marriage in Swansea that may be worth checking: Marriages Sep 1883 Swansea 11a 917 BOWEN Jane Bragg James CAMPHONEER Peter Camphonser Peter Phillips Elizabeth REES David There is clearly a problem here as there are 3 males and 2 females. I have checked the image and the reference for Peter is correct, and the surname could be either of those given here. It is possible that he parried Elizabeth Phillips. They are in the 1891 census, indexed by Ancestry variously as as Garmer, Garone and Garoner, at 21 Taff St: Name: Peter Garmer Age: 31 Estimated birth year: abt 1860 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Eliz Garmer Mother's name: Ann Bunderson Gender: Male Where born: Plymouth, Devon, England Civil Parish: Merthyr Tydfil Ecclesiastical parish: Pentrebach Town: Forest County/Island: Glamorgan Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil Sub registration district: Lower Merthyr Tydfil ED, institution, or vessel: 17 Piece: 4435 Folio: 123 Page Number: 73 Household Members: Name Age Peter Garmer 31 Eliz Garmer 30 Mary Ann Garoner 8 Lydia Garone 6 William Garone 5 Thomas Jno Garone 3 John Garone 1 Charlotte Garone 3/12 Ann Bunderson 63 John Robbins 24 Dai Bevan On 25/07/2015 04:45, Eliz Hanebury via wrote: You may have a problem [1]http://www.freebmd.org.uk/ has only these men marrying between 1875 - 1885. He also isn't in the Non Conformist register The Plymouth marriagee below isn't Elizabeth Anderson George Plymouth 5b532 GARDNER Peter Plymouth 5b532 PIPER Tabitha Plymouth 5b532 Walters Jane Lane Plymouth 5b532 This is Peter and mother in 1881 (scroll down for all the children Peter and Elizabeth had) Peter Gardner Age:21 Estimated birth year:abt 1860 Relation:Head Mother's name:Charlote Gardner Gender:Male Where born:Plymouth Civil Parish:Merthyr Tydfil County/Island:Glamorgan Country:Wales Street address:10 Ynisgau Education:View image Employment status:View image Occupation:Labourer Registration district:Merthyr Tydfil Sub registration district:Lower Merthyr Tydfil ED, institution, or vessel:22 Neighbors:View others on page Piece:5312 Folio:51 Page Number:8 Household Members: NameAge Peter Gardner21 Charlote Gardner73 Source Citation Class: RG11; Piece: 5312; Folio: 51; Page: 8; GSU roll: 1342279 Source Information Ancestry.com and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. 1881 Wales Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2004. Peter Gardner Age in 1901:41 Estimated birth year:abt 1860 Relation:Head Spouse's Name:Elizabeth Gardner Gender:Male Where born:Plymouth, Devon, England Civil Parish:Merthyr Tydfil Ecclesiastical parish:Merthyr Tydfil Town:Merthyr Vale County/Island:Glamorgan Country:Wales Street address:View image Condition as to marriage:View image Education:View image Employment status:View image Occupation:View image Registration district:Merthyr Tydfil Sub-registration district:Lower Merthyr Tydfil ED, institution, or vessel:36 Neighbors:View others on page Household schedule number:121 Piece:5027 Folio:105 Page Number:28 Household Members: NameAge Peter Gardner41 Elizabeth Gardner40 (born Swansea) Mary Ann Gardner18 William Gardner15 Thomas John Gardner13 John Gardner11 Charlotte Gardner10 Elizabeth Gardner8 Jane Gardner4 Francis Gardner2 Sarah Gardner1 SAVE Source Citation Class: RG13; Piece: 5027; Folio: 105; Page: 28 Source Information Ancestry.com. 1901 Wales Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2005 Peter Gardner Age in 1911:51 Estimated birth year:abt 1860 Relation to Head:Head Gender:Male Birth Place:Plymouth, Devonshire, England Civil Parish:Merthyr Tydfil County/Island:Glamorgan Country:Wales Street address:18 Bryntaf Aberfan Merthyr Vale Marital Status:Married Years Married:29 Estimated Marriage Year:1882 Occupation:Coal Miner Hewer Registration district:Merthyr Tydfil Registration District Number:590 Sub-registration district:Lower Merthyr Tydfil ED, institution, or vessel:20 Household schedule number:25 Piece:32444 Household Members: NameAge Peter Gardner 51 Ellen Gardner 9 Margaret Gardner 7 Daniel Gardner 5 Elizabeth Gardner 50 (Merthyr Tydfil miss transcribed as Lydfil) she give she had 14 children with 12 living (Margaret is not at home) William Gardner 25 Thomas John Gardner 23 John Gardner 21 Charlotte Gardner 20 Elizabeth Gardner 18 Francis Gardner 12 Sarah Gardner 11 Source Citation Class: RG14; Piece: 32444; Schedule Number: 25 Charlote Gardner Age:73 Estimated birth year:abt 1808 Relation:Mother Gender:Female Where born:Bristol Civil Parish:Merthyr Tydfil County/Island:Glamorgan Country:Wales Street address:10 Ynisgau Condition as to marriage:Windower (Widowed) Education:View image Employment status:View image Occupation:With Son Registration district:Merthyr Tydfil Sub registration district:Lower Merthyr Tydfil ED, institution, or vessel:22 Neighbors:View others on page Piece:5312 Folio:51 Page Number:8 Household Members: NameAge Peter Gardner21 Charlote Gardner73 SAVE Source Citation Class: RG11; Piece: 5312; Folio: 51; Page: 8; GSU roll: 1342279 Source Information Ancestry.com and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. 1881 Wales Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2004. Maybe? This does match Peter Peter Gardner Age:1/12 Estimated birth year:1861 Relation:Son (Child) Father's name:Peter Gardner Mother's name:Catherine Gardner Gender:Male Where born:Plymouth, Devon, England Civil Parish:St Andrew County/Island:Devon Country:England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district:Plymouth Sub-registration district:St Andrew ED, institution, or vessel:21 Neighbors:View others on page Household schedule number:136 Piece:1444 Folio:108 Page Number:21 Household Members: NameAge Peter Gardner34 Catherine Gardner34 Margaret Gardner15 Thomas Gardner12 Peter Gardner1/12 SAVE Cancel Source Citation Class: RG 9; Piece: 1444; Folio: 108; Page: 21; GSU roll: 542813 Source Information Ancestry.com. 1861 England Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, ________________________________ Marriages Dec 1875 (>99%) ________________________________ GARDNER Peter Banbury 3a1405 ________________________________ Marriages Dec 1877 (>99%) ________________________________ GARDNER Peter Chipping N. 3a1259 ________________________________ Marriages Dec 1880 (>99%) ________________________________ Gardner Peter Chorlton 8c938 ________________________________ Marriages Jun 1881 (>99%) ________________________________ GARDNER Peter Berwick 10b560 ________________________________ Marriages Dec 1881 (>99%) ________________________________ GARDNER Peter Plymouth 5b532 ________________________________ Marriages Sep 1884 (>99%) ________________________________ Gardner Peter Camberwell 1d1339 Eliz Not Today and Not without a Fight (Anon) For all that has been, thanks. For all that will be, yes. (Dag Hammarskjold) On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 9:33 PM, wesixski11 via [2]<glamorgan@rootsweb.com> wro te: Hello List. I am rather new to the list but have been reading all the posts ho ping to find a good researcher who I can hire to help with Peter Gardner and hi s family. Peter Gardner was born in about 1859 in Plymouth, Devon, England, and married E lizabeth (last name unknown) in about 1882 in Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, Wales. Elizabeth had been born in about 1861 in Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales. They had a family of eight children, all born in Merthyr Tydfil: Mary Ann Gardn er, born about 1883; Lydia b. 1885; William b. 1886; Thomas John b. 1888; John b. 1890; Charlotte b. 1891; Elizabeth b. 1893 and Sarah Vivian, b. 1900, died 6 May 1986 in Great Neck, Nassau County, New York, USA. I have been asked by Sarah Vivian Gardner Hartz’s family (who all live in the U SA) to find out about her ancestors. Does anyone know of a good, honest researcher who would help me? Thank you. 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Here is the only other I have found, census that is. Meantime I can't find the family, any of them in 1891 Peter Gardner Age:1/12 Estimated birth year:1861 Relation:Son (Child) Father's name:Peter Gardner Mother's name:Catherine Gardner Gender:Male Where born:Plymouth, Devon, England Civil Parish:St Andrew County/Island:Devon Country:England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district:Plymouth Sub-registration district:St Andrew ED, institution, or vessel:21 Neighbors:View others on page Household schedule number:136 Piece:1444 Folio:108 Page Number:21 Household Members: NameAge Peter Gardner34 Catherine Gardner34 Margaret Gardner15 Thomas Gardner12 Peter Gardner1/12 Source Citation Class: RG 9; Piece: 1444; Folio: 108; Page: 21; GSU roll: 542813 Source Information Ancestry.com. 1861 England Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2005 This looks very much like his birth (meaning they can send for the birth certificate) Name:Peter Gardner Registration Year:1861 Registration Quarter:Jan-Feb-Mar Registration district:Plymouth Inferred County:Devon Volume:5b Page:290 This might be his mother, it could hint as to where Peter was hiding G<> But she left over 2,000 pd administration to William Humphries Gardner Catherine Gardner Estimated birth year:abt 1814 Registration Year:1894 Registration Quarter:Jan-Feb-Mar Age at Death:80 Registration district:Llanfyllin Parishes for this Registration District:View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District Inferred County:Montgomeryshire Volume:11b Page:155 But this is very likely to be Peter Peter Gardner Birth Date:abt 1860 Date of Registration:Mar 1918 Age at Death:58 Registration district:Merthyr Tydfil Inferred County:Glamorganshire Volume:11a Page:787 Source Information Ancestry.com. England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2007. Eliz Not Today and Not without a Fight (Anon) For all that has been, thanks. For all that will be, yes. (Dag Hammarskjold) On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 9:33 PM, wesixski11 via <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hello List. I am rather new to the list but have been reading all the posts hoping to find a good researcher who I can hire to help with Peter Gardner and his family. > Peter Gardner was born in about 1859 in Plymouth, Devon, England, and married Elizabeth (last name unknown) in about 1882 in Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, Wales. Elizabeth had been born in about 1861 in Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales. > They had a family of eight children, all born in Merthyr Tydfil: Mary Ann Gardner, born about 1883; Lydia b. 1885; William b. 1886; Thomas John b. 1888; John b. 1890; Charlotte b. 1891; Elizabeth b. 1893 and Sarah Vivian, b. 1900, died 6 May 1986 in Great Neck, Nassau County, New York, USA. > > I have been asked by Sarah Vivian Gardner Hartz’s family (who all live in the USA) to find out about her ancestors. > Does anyone know of a good, honest researcher who would help me? > Thank you. > Elizabeth Wight > Tacoma, Washington, USA > -- > > To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > > A web site has been prepared to help you use the Glamorgan List > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ > > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message