Thanks for that Jen, he was sued for 2,000 with the settlement being 500. It appears he was going to take her away to get married quietly and the night in question he failed to turn up. All the best, Kevin. > Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 11:07:43 +0000 > From: jenmathias@gmail.com > Subject: Re: [GLA] Breach of promise > To: glamorgan@rootsweb.com; cardiff2cork@hotmail.com > > Dear Kevin > > Possibly the large amount was restoration of property which had become "realigned" during the engagement... > > Listers may be interested in the following… especially the "gold digging" comment of the law commissioners c. 1969 (yes 1969) which was when the law was finally reconsidered. > > From http://www.glaisyers.co.uk/Breach%20of%20Promise.htm > > Getting Disengaged – Breach of Promise > … until relatively recently if a young lady (or gentleman) asked her beau (or lady love) for their ‘hand in marriage’ and the other party accepted, then they had entered into what was in essence a legal contract, with all the usual consequences should it be broken. > > You would have thought that such ‘Breach of Promise’ actions disappeared with the crinoline and Queen Victoria, the fact is they didn’t. In the late 19th century, several Bills were introduced in the House of Commons, seeking to abolish the action for breach of promise, but none of them became law. > > In fact the whole subject of Breach of Promise was not examined again until the Law Commission, published its Report, entitled Breach of Promise of Marriage, in 1969. > > The Commission considered that the law gave opportunity for claims of “gold-digging”. (This is the reason why legal aid was never made available for such actions.) The Commission also referred to the argument that … “the stability of marriages is so important to society that the law should not countenance rights of action the threat of which may push people into marriages which they would not otherwise undertake”.… > > …The Commission accordingly recommended that the procedure under section 17 of the Married Women's Property Act 1882* for resolving property disputes between spouses should be extended to engaged couples. > > … /end quote > > A girl (wealthy family) I was at school with was sued by her fiancé in the 1960s for breach of promise… but the young man was not successful. This caused some amazement in the "old girls" network of course; we had thought this piece of legislation had died out in Victorian times. > > Jen > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 26/3/11, Kevin Mc Cormack <cardiff2cork@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > From: Kevin Mc Cormack <cardiff2cork@hotmail.com> > > Subject: Re: [GLA] Breach of promise > > To: glamorgan@rootsweb.com > > Date: Saturday, 26 March, 2011, 10:23 > > > > Thanks Gareth...... 33k that's a huge amount! > > > > What I find odd she's married 3 weeks after the court > > case......well why wouldn't she be with that amount in the > > bank? > > > > Thanks again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 10:15:21 +0000 > > > From: morgangareth36@yahoo.co.uk > > > To: glamorgan-l@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [GLA] Breach of promise > > > > > > Hello Kevin > > > > > > Try this link: > > > > > > http://www.measuringworth.com/calculators/ppoweruk/ > > > > > > Gareth > > > > > > --- On Sat, 26/3/11, Kevin Mc Cormack <cardiff2cork@hotmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > Also if there is a site that can show the value of > > money from that period to todays amount I'd appreciate it. > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com > > > > > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. > > are at > > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > > > - > > > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of > > useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > > > > > - > > > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help > > Pages > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html > > and > > > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > > subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com > > > > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > > - > > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful > > links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > > > - > > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help > > Pages > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html > > and > > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > > subject and the body of the message > > > > >

Dear Kevin Possibly the large amount was restoration of property which had become "realigned" during the engagement... Listers may be interested in the following… especially the "gold digging" comment of the law commissioners c. 1969 (yes 1969) which was when the law was finally reconsidered. >From http://www.glaisyers.co.uk/Breach%20of%20Promise.htm Getting Disengaged – Breach of Promise … until relatively recently if a young lady (or gentleman) asked her beau (or lady love) for their ‘hand in marriage’ and the other party accepted, then they had entered into what was in essence a legal contract, with all the usual consequences should it be broken. You would have thought that such ‘Breach of Promise’ actions disappeared with the crinoline and Queen Victoria, the fact is they didn’t. In the late 19th century, several Bills were introduced in the House of Commons, seeking to abolish the action for breach of promise, but none of them became law. In fact the whole subject of Breach of Promise was not examined again until the Law Commission, published its Report, entitled Breach of Promise of Marriage, in 1969. The Commission considered that the law gave opportunity for claims of “gold-digging”. (This is the reason why legal aid was never made available for such actions.) The Commission also referred to the argument that … “the stability of marriages is so important to society that the law should not countenance rights of action the threat of which may push people into marriages which they would not otherwise undertake”.… …The Commission accordingly recommended that the procedure under section 17 of the Married Women's Property Act 1882* for resolving property disputes between spouses should be extended to engaged couples. … /end quote A girl (wealthy family) I was at school with was sued by her fiancé in the 1960s for breach of promise… but the young man was not successful. This caused some amazement in the "old girls" network of course; we had thought this piece of legislation had died out in Victorian times. Jen --- On Sat, 26/3/11, Kevin Mc Cormack <cardiff2cork@hotmail.com> wrote: > From: Kevin Mc Cormack <cardiff2cork@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [GLA] Breach of promise > To: glamorgan@rootsweb.com > Date: Saturday, 26 March, 2011, 10:23 > > Thanks Gareth...... 33k that's a huge amount! > > What I find odd she's married 3 weeks after the court > case......well why wouldn't she be with that amount in the > bank? > > Thanks again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 10:15:21 +0000 > > From: morgangareth36@yahoo.co.uk > > To: glamorgan-l@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [GLA] Breach of promise > > > > Hello Kevin > > > > Try this link: > > > > http://www.measuringworth.com/calculators/ppoweruk/ > > > > Gareth > > > > --- On Sat, 26/3/11, Kevin Mc Cormack <cardiff2cork@hotmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Also if there is a site that can show the value of > money from that period to todays amount I'd appreciate it. > > > > Regards. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com > > > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. > are at > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > > - > > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of > useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > > > - > > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help > Pages > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html > and > > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >     >          >            >   > -- > > To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com > > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful > links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help > Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html > and > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

Retrospectives: Pembroke Castle, PEM; Tywyn & the Talyllyn Railway, MER Dear Listers, This week's Retrospectives, just uploaded onto my website, are: 1. A two-page exploration of the life of the ancient Pembroke Castle in the county of Pembrokeshire (fourteen pictures). This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in July 1999. 2. A two-page account of visits to the seaside resort of Tywyn (Towyn) and the narrow-gauge, steam-powered Talyllyn Railway in the county of Merionethshire (twenty-two pictures). This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in March 2002. As usual, these webpages will be displayed on my website for one week. 'Retrospective Images of Wales' is at www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/retro/retro.htm After viewing the Retrospectives, please explore my 'Webpage Archive' and make your own Retrospective requests. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists

Thanks Gareth...... 33k that's a huge amount! What I find odd she's married 3 weeks after the court case......well why wouldn't she be with that amount in the bank? Thanks again. > Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 10:15:21 +0000 > From: morgangareth36@yahoo.co.uk > To: glamorgan-l@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GLA] Breach of promise > > Hello Kevin > > Try this link: > > http://www.measuringworth.com/calculators/ppoweruk/ > > Gareth > > --- On Sat, 26/3/11, Kevin Mc Cormack <cardiff2cork@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Also if there is a site that can show the value of money from that period to todays amount I'd appreciate it. > > Regards. > > > > > -- > > To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Kevin Try this link: http://www.measuringworth.com/calculators/ppoweruk/ Gareth --- On Sat, 26/3/11, Kevin Mc Cormack <cardiff2cork@hotmail.com> wrote: Also if there is a site that can show the value of money from that period to todays amount I'd appreciate it. Regards.

Also if there is a site that can show the value of money from that period to todays amount I'd appreciate it. Regards.

Hello All, Have any of you come across one of yours in a court case involved in a "breach of promise?" I have an ancestor in Ireland 1870's and I think the sum involved for that time is very large. (£500) Also in the newspaper article the symbols for the amounts differ ....for example- £120 p.a. is quoted from farm income and further into the case 500l is mentioned. Now I know the L/l represents "libertae" as in "LIbertae, Solidari? and Dinari..... Pounds , shillings and pence..... but why the change in symbols? (Im basically checking and I haven't missed anything) 500 for 1873 seems a lot considering on my Welsh side a Grand aunt was in service and she was earning £13 p.a. in c1905. Best regards.

Reading the recent enquiry about a prisoner in the family reminded me of a distant relative whose was incarcerated in earlier times. My cousin Glyndwr Davies, compiler of the FORD/ GRIFFITHS/ LOUGHER predigree, had noted that Thomas and Mary were in prison in 1841, but we didn't know why until I came across the following in the 19thC newspapers site. LONDON NOV. 24 Jackson's Oxford Journal Saturday November 28th 1840 ADVANTAGES OF THE NEW MARRIAGE ACT A paragraph has found its way into the London papers of a man near Cardiff having married his mother. We have made inquiries and find that, although not quite true, it is very nearly so. Thomas Ford, a parishioner of Bonvilstone, was drowned, about five or six months ago, in the river Ely. About a month ago his son Thomas Ford came to the registrar, at Cardiff, to ask for a certificate; and upon naming his intended wife as Mary Ford, Mr. Watkins asked if they were related! "Yes," he replied, "she is my cousin." The certificate was granted, and this incestuous couple (the woman being actually the widow of his father) were married at Bethany Chapel, in Cardiff. - Merthyr Guardian. John and Mary FORD were jailed 6th March 1841 for perjury at their wedding. The tragedy of this case, apart from the fact that it was illegal to marry your step-parent [is it still I wonder?] is what happened to Mary's children from her first husband, i.e the half brother and sister of her second husband. The poor innocent mites died in Cardiff Union Workhouse in August 1841. They were: WILLIAM FORD born c. 1838 buried 9th August 1841 aged 3 SARAH FORD born 1839 Canton, Cardiff buried 7th August 1841 aged 2 Both interred at St. Mary’s Churchyard, Bonvilston, so at least they were buried in their home village. The saddest think I have come across so far in the family history. WENDY

That Henry Gunningham was a painter of no fixed abode who said he belonged to Gosport. He and another man stole six carving knives and forks, 12 table knives, a weighting machine and a case of mathematical instruments from the President of Trinity College, Oxford. Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS / Gwynedd FHS -----Original Message----- From: glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dai & Angela Bevan Sent: 26 March 2011 06:46 To: glamorgan@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GLA] 1911 PRISON Records Cardiff Help Please. Hi Robert, 1911 is too late for Ancestry's record, but there was a Henry Gunningham who received 2 months for larceny at Oxford Michaelmas assizes in 1887. I don't know if it could be the same one.

Thank you Jeff for the clarification on Mynyddyslwyn and the descriptions of the locations listed in the different census'. The Portrait of a Parish on the link you provided was very informative. In the 1861 census, Thomas Morgan lists "Where born: Mossey Lysbeyn, Monmouthshire, Wales". Can you tell me if that might have been a town in the parish of Mynyddyslwyn? It was not listed as such under the Portrait. I was able to get the death certificate for Mary Anne Morgan but it does not give her maiden name. She died at the Pentyrch Works 30 July 1849 of "Phthisis" (tuberculosis, I believe). Is there somewhere I can search for cemeteries and inscriptions for the Pentyrch Works area? I did look at the OGRE site listed in another entry to the list, but it does not include Pentyrch. Here in the U.S. there are projects in each state where people are transcribing inscriptions on tombstones and, in some cases, there are also photos. Is there anything similar in Wales? I also purchased the birth certificate for Richard Morgan born Mar quarter 1839. This was the obvious choice based upon the 1851 census, but I also searched 1837, 1838 and 1840. This was the ONLY Richard Morgan that came up when I searched under Glamorgan. But, he is the wrong one! This Richard's father was David and his mother's maiden name was EINON and he was born at Love Lane Cardiff on Christmas Day (25 Dec) 1838. If anyone is searching for this person, I would be happy to share this document. Also, two members of the two families I am researching were married (Baptist ceremonies) at the Tabernacle Chapel in the district of Cardiff, counties of Monmouth & Glamorgan. From the Portrait description, that would indicate it was located in the westerly part of the parish where the two meet at the border. Can you suggest a website where I might find additional records for that location? -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Coleman [mailto:Jeff.Coleman@ntlworld.com] Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 6:10 PM To: rosamond.brown@verizon.net; GLAMORGAN@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GLA] Thomas and Mary Ann MORGAN We seem to have had a resurgence of interest in families associated with the Pentyrch Iron Works. Have a look at Pentyrch in the list archives. http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html Thomas MORGAN was from Mynyddislwyn in 1861 census http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/MON/Mynyddyslwyn/index.html It is just up the river from Risca and included Abercarn. Actually the village of Mynyddislwyn is on a hill between the river Ebbw and its tributary the Sirhowy. They combine just north of Risca, but the parish contained villages in both valleys. Walnut Tree Bridge, in Eglwysilan parish, is an old name for Taffs Well, just across the river Taff from Pentyrch. http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/Eglwysilan/ There were iron mines ( not very productive) in the side of the Garth mountain opposite Taffs Well, above the village of Gwaelod-y-garth in the 'Garth hamlet' of Pentyrch parish. I think they were drift mines rather than deep mines. Hammerman and Puddler were both skilled ironworks jobs. In 1841 the third child appears to be a daughter Niomi (Naomi). She may have married as Naomi in March quarter 1849 in Cardiff district. You should be able to get the maiden name of Mary Ann from the birth certificate of Richard MORGAN born march quarter 1839 in Cardiff district, assuming that he was the boy born in Pentyrch. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: <rosamond.brown@verizon.net> To: <GLAMORGAN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 8:45 PM Subject: [GLA] Thomas and Mary Ann MORGAN > Seeking ancestral information on MORGAN, Thomas b. abt. 1801 in > Viynyddythen, Monmouthshire and wife Mary Ann (UNKNOWN) b. abt. 1806, m. > abt. 1825 > > > > Background information: > > 1841 census in Pentyrch: Thomas 40; Mary Ann 35; Charles 15; Thomas 14; > Giome 11; Catherine 8 (b. Caerleon Monmouthshire April 1833); Ann 6; John > 4; > Richard 2 > > > > 1851 census in Pentyrch, sub-reg. dist St. Nicholas: Thomas 51 "widower" > occupation Hammerman at iron mill; Thomas 23 b. Risca, Monmouthshire > occupation puddler of iron; Ann 14 b. Abercarn Monmouthshire; John 12 b. > Pentyrch Glamorgan; Mary JONES 25 b. Merthyr Tydvil Glamorgan occupation > house servant. Catherine is a servant for the Phillips family. > > > > If found 4 Mary Ann MORGANs who died in Cardiff district between 1841 & > 1851 > census': > > June 1842 Qtr Vol 26, page 258 > > Sept 1847 Qtr Vol 26, page 239 > > Dec 1847 Qtr Vol 26, page 280 > > Sept 1849 Qtr Vol 26, page 362 > > > > 25 Aug 1855 Catherine MORGAN marries Edwin ROWE b. Sep 1835 Crowan > Cornwall. > Catherine's father: Thomas MORGAN, Fire Man; Edwin's father John ROWE, > Mineral Agent > > > > 1861 census in Eglwysian Glamorgan: Thomas 61 occupation hammerman; > Margaret 34; Richard 22 occ. Puddler ; Abigail 6; Faber (or Jabez) 8; > Miriam > 16 mos. Believe he may have married Mary (Margaret?) JONES abt. 1852. > Possibly Dec. quarter 1852, Vol. 11a, page 339. > > > > 1871 census in Eglwysilan Glamorgan: John WRIGHT 43 occ. Laborer; > Margaret > 43 b. abt. 1828 b. Merthry Tydfil Glamorgan; Jabez MORGAN 18 stepson, occ. > Foreman; Abigail MORGAN 16 stepdaughter; Miriam MORGAN 11 stepdaughter, > occ. > Domestic servant; Mary JONES 89, mother-in-law. > > > > > > -- > > To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be > found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I can't help with what prison records are available but I found that one of my family spent some time in prison in the 19th Century. I managed to find his trial in the 19th Century Newspapers. 1911 is a bit for them so I did a search on the surname in the Times and Guardian but did not find anything between 1901 and 1911. It might be worth checking local newspapers because they always tend to report trials in great detail. Not sure if the same applied but in the earlier period I was told that only sentences up to six months were served in the local prisons. Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS / Gwynedd FHS -----Original Message----- From: glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Robert Alun Chick Sent: 25 March 2011 21:18 To: GLAMORGAN@rootsweb.com Subject: [GLA] 1911 PRISON Records Cardiff Help Please. 1911 details for: GUNNINGHAM, HENRY PRISONER MARRIED M 44 COLLIER BRIDGWATER GUNNINGHAM HENRY (RG14PN32131 RD588 SD3 ED34 SN9999) Institution name HIS MAJESTY'S PRISON H.M. Prison, Adam Street, Cardiff Address ADAM STREET CARDIFF County Glamorganshire District Cardiff Subdistrict Central Cardiff Enumeration District 34 Parish Cardiff How can I find out why he was inside what records available and where please ? Robert Alun Chick (Penarth)

Hi Robert, 1911 is too late for Ancestry's record, but there was a Henry Gunningham who received 2 months for larceny at Oxford Michaelmas assizes in 1887. I don't know if it could be the same one. regards, Dai On 25/03/2011 21:17, Robert Alun Chick wrote: > 1911 details for: > > GUNNINGHAM, HENRY PRISONER MARRIED M 44 COLLIER BRIDGWATER > > GUNNINGHAM HENRY (RG14PN32131 RD588 SD3 ED34 SN9999) Institution name HIS MAJESTY'S PRISON H.M. Prison, Adam Street, Cardiff Address ADAM STREET CARDIFF County Glamorganshire District Cardiff Subdistrict Central Cardiff Enumeration District 34 Parish Cardiff > > How can I find out why he was inside what records available and where please ? > > > > Robert Alun Chick (Penarth)

WESTERN MAIL SATURDAY DECEMBER 4. 1926.  No. 287. FAMILY ANNOUNCEMENTS.-continued. DEATHS. EVANS.- At Glenville, Ferryside. William EVANS, beloved husband of Margaret EVANS, late Ironmonger, Ferndale. Funeral Monday. Ferryside Cemetery; G.O. EVANS.- On November 30th, at Derlwyn, Pencoed. David William (Dai), dearly-loved eldest son of Mr. and Mrs. Tom EVANS, late Brynhyfryd, Clydach Vale. Funeral Saturday, Trelaw. Friends please meet 12.45 p.m. Trinity-square, Tonypandy. CRITCHETT.- On November 30th , at 18, Coleridge-avenue, Penarth. W. J. CRITCHETT, beloved father of W. E. CRITCHETT passed peacefully away. Funeral Saturday, 2.30.  G.O. BEYNON.- December 1st. Sarah, beloved wife of the late Thomas BEYNON, 7, Pontypridd-road, Porth. Public funeral Monday, 2.30 p.m. for Llethrddu Cemetery. MARRIAGES. WALSH.- WOOD.-On November 23rd, at Adelaide, Australia. David, second son of Mr. Henry WALSH, J.P. ex-Mayor of Aberavon, to Mabel, third daughter of Mr. Henry WOOD, ex-Mayor of Aberavon. BIRTHS. MOORE.- On December 3rd, at 22, St. Mark's-crescent, Newport to Mr. and Mrs. Victor J. E. MOORE, a son. IN MEMORIAM-ROLL OF HONOUR. IRELAND.- In Loving Memory of William Henry, who died in France December 5th 1918.- Fondly remembered by Father and Mother, Brothers and Sisters. STOP PRESS-Cartridge In Coal.- Father And Son Injured At Abertillery. Arthur EVANS and Leslie EVANS (17), father and son, of Abertillery, were admitted to the Abertillery District Hospital on Thursday suffering from injuries caused by an explosion. They were in the kitchen of their home in Tillery-street, when something exploded in the firegrate and they were struck by fragments which shot out from the fire. The father received a wound on the hip and the son smaller wounds on the side. The explosion was caused apparently by an old cartridge which had accidentally got into the coal. ABERBARGOED MINER FINED.   Thomas EDMUNDS (28), collier, Aberbargoed, was fined £5. at New Tredegar on Friday for doing an act likely to impede the supply of fuel and for using violence to Frederick WARREN with a view to compelling him to abstain from work. Mr. T. W. GRIFFITHS (from the office of Mr. Horace S. LYNE, Newport) prosecuted, and Mr. Edward ROBERTS (Dowlais) defended.   Mr. GRIFFITHS explained that on November 20 WARREN was followed by EDMUNDS, who asked him if he was not ashamed that he had returned to work. Complainant replied that he was not ashamed and must do something to feed his children. Defendant without provocation, struck him violently between the eyes.   Lily AURELIUS (25) and Frances THOMAS (46), married women, summoned for intimidation, were bound over for twelve months. John Patrick

1911 details for: GUNNINGHAM, HENRY PRISONER MARRIED M 44 COLLIER BRIDGWATER GUNNINGHAM HENRY (RG14PN32131 RD588 SD3 ED34 SN9999) Institution name HIS MAJESTY'S PRISON H.M. Prison, Adam Street, Cardiff Address ADAM STREET CARDIFF County Glamorganshire District Cardiff Subdistrict Central Cardiff Enumeration District 34 Parish Cardiff How can I find out why he was inside what records available and where please ? Robert Alun Chick (Penarth)

----- Forwarded Message ---- From: J GRIFFITHS <griffiths780@btinternet.com> To: griffiths780@btinternet.com; glamorgan@rootsweb.com Cc: dyfed@rootsweb.com; monmouthshire@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, 25 March, 2011 16:48:35 Subject: News Items October 1st to December 31st 1926. No. 286. WESTERN MAIL SATURDAY DECEMBER 4. 1926.   No. 286. FAMILY ANNOUNCEMENTS. IN MEMORIAM. WILLIAMS.- In Loving Memory of our dear and devoted Mother, who passed away at 31, Penybryn-road, Gabalfa, Cardiff, on December 4th. 1925.- Never to be forgotten by her sorrowing children. May, Nellie, Bertie, and Dorothy. WILLIAMS.- In Loving Memory of Eliza, the dearly-beloved and devoted wife of R. E. WILLIAMS, 31 Penybryn-road, Gabalfa, Cardiff, who fell asleep on December 4th. 1925.- Ever remembered by her sorrowing Husband. THOMAS.- In Loving Memory of our dear mother Ann, who passed away at Porthcawl December 4th, 1924. Ever remembered by loving Daughters and Sons, Durban, South Africa. THOMAS.- In Loving Memory of my dear brother Ivor, who died December 4, 1925. Sadly missed by Mother, brothers John and Yestin. MORRIS.- In Loving Memory of David, accidently drowned at Hong Kong December 5th, 1925. JONES.- In Loving Memory of Cissie, beloved wife of Lionel JONES, died December 5th, 1925.- Ever remembered by Lionel. JONES.- In Ever-loving Memory of our darling baby Ieuan, who died at Blaenclydach December 4th, 1920.- Ever remembered by Daddy, Mummy, and Granmas. GRUNDY.- In Loving Memory of Dorothy Coral, who passed peacefully away at 15, Cymmer-road, Porth. December 4th. 1925./verse. Ever remembered by Mam, Dad, Sister and Brothers. GRIFFITHS.- Er Cof Serchog am Abraham Griffiths, Tonyrefail, fu farw Rhagfyr 5. 1923. Coffadwriaeth y cyflawn sydd fendigedig.- Mary a'r Plant. GILBERT.- In Fond Remembrance of Mary Ann, devoted wife of W. J. GILBERT, Maesteg, died December 4th. 1923. Sadly missed by Husband and Children. FIRTH.- In Loving Memory of our dear wife and mother, Mary, who died at Cae Rhyle, Penygawai, Llantrisant, December 5th, 1923. From Husband and Children. DAVIES.- In Loving Memory of Ceinwen, the dearly-beloved and only daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Tom DAVIES, 9, Coronation-terrace, Porth, who passed away 4th December, 1924. ACKNOWLEDGMENTS. JONES.- Mrs. Jeffrey JONES, and Family, Brynawel Hotel, Llandridnod Wells, desire to thank all their relatives and friends for kind inquiries and sympathy. JONES.- Mrs. JONES and Family, Chwerchyr Mills, Henllan, return thanks for all the kindness shown them. EVANS.- Mrs. EVANS, Blaenllynfi Farm, Caerau, desires to thank all relatives and friends for letters of sympathy and floral tributes. DEATHS. WEST-JONES.- On December 2nd, at his residence, Danycoed, Baglan, Briton Ferry. John WEST-JONES, aged 65. Funeral Monday next at 2.30 for Ynysymaerdy; Men only. MORGAN.- On December 2nd, at a Swansea Nursing Home, Daniel John MORGAN, Glynhir, Pontardulais. Funeral leaving Glynhir for Goppa Cemetery. Wednesday Three p.m. LEWIS.- 19, Park-road, Bargoed. William Bernard. aged 29. Private funeral, Gellygaer. KINGSTON.- On December 2nd at Cardiff Royal Infirmary. William, beloved husband of Amelia KINGSTON, 33, Forrest-road, Cardiff, after a long and painful illness patiently borne. Funeral 2.30 p.m. Monday. JENKINS.- On December 2nd. suddenly at Gwalia, Llandrindod Wells. Nellie, beloved wife of John M. JENKINS, of Beechwood, Radley Wood. Funeral Two p.m. Tuesday, December 7th, at Llandrindod.  N.F. GORNALL.- On December 2nd. 1926, at Alfheim, Pentwyn Villas, Merthyr. Marian GORNALL aged 82. Funeral (private) on Monday. to be continued John Patrick

At my last update, I eluded to an announcement which was then in the early planning stages. I had been talking to The National Library Of Wales looking for some more up to date OS maps as the ones I had were missing some detail and the conversation turned to my website. A few days later, I received an email. Allow me to quote a few words from it : "The National Library of Wales would like to invite you to participate in the UK Web Archive by archiving your web site (http://www.pillars-of-faith.com/*). The UK Web Archive is a partnership between the National Library of Wales, the British Library, JISC, and the Wellcome Library, to preserve website for future users. We have identified this web site as an important part of Wales' documentary heritage and would like it to remain available to researchers in the future. The archived copy of your web site will form part of our permanent collections." I am now rather humbled to announce that my little website is now part of the UK Web Archive : http://www.webarchive.org.uk/ukwa/subject/66/page/23 Some of the features of the site, for technical reasons, are not available. However the main content can still be accessed one chapel at a time - my knowledge of programming is rather limited but when time allows I will see if these technical issues can be overcome. Apologies for the commercial but it does make all the effort in making/researching the site all the worthwhile.

WESTERN MAIL FRIDAY DECEMBER 3. 1926.   No. 285. DOCTOR'S FATE AT NEWPORT-Presumed Dead For Two Days.   Dr. John W. D. HYDE, aged about 35, a member of the staff of the Medical Officer of Health for Monmouthshire, was found dead in bed in his house, 56, Upton-road, Newport, on Thursday evening.   The doctor was stated to have been found in bed in a gas-filled bedroom, and it is surmised that he had been dead for two days.   Mrs. HYDE, the doctor's wife, who is recovering from a serious illness, went away to London to recuperate about a week ago.   Dr. HYDE had not been seen about for the past two or three days, and on Thursday a sister arrived from London to look after him during the absence of Mrs. HYDE. When the sister arrived she went to the house and found it apparently locked up . She went to a neighbour, Mr. D. J. PHILLIPS, with whom the doctor had been on friendly terms. Mr. PHILLIPS not having seen the doctor for some time gave information to the police. Whilst this was being done Police-constable GODWIN happened to pass, and, on his attention being called to the matter, he affected an entrance into the house and discovered the doctor in bed.    Dr. HYDE came to Newport after the war, in which he served as an officer of the R.A.M.C. LADIES' CHOIRS.-Adjudicator's Praise At Pontypridd. One of the chief competitions at a semi-national eisteddfod at Pontypridd on Thursday night was that for ladies' choirs. This competition was very keen, and the adjudicatior, Mr. Matthews WILLIAMS, F. R. C. O., Chester, remarked that it was quite olympic. He had thought that he could apply this remark only to male choirs, but the latter would have to look to their laurels, otherwise they would be put into the shade. The more successful choirs were:- DOWLAIS-93 marks,  BARRY WELSH, 89, KENFIG HILL, 86, PONTYPRIDD and PORTH. Other results were:- Soprano Solo: Madame Bessie REES, Tonypandy. Contralto Solo: Miss Maggie JOHN, Tonypandy. Junior violin solo; Master Gwynfryn MORGAN, Ferndale. Pianoforte solo under 11: Muriel LEWIS, Treforest. Solo for boys or girls under 16: Master Dilwyn DAVIES, Ferndale. Pianoforte solo under 12: Miss Augusta HOPKINS, Abertillery. Junior recitation: Ivor John THOMAS, Glanamman. BUILDER'S FAILURE.-Deficiency of £1,495 At Bridgend.   At a meeting of the creditors on Thursday of William Thomas DAVIES, builder, 70, Cowbridge-road, Bridgend. Liabilities were returned at £1,898, 13s.1d. and estimated assets at £402, 18s. 4d. with a deficiency of £1, 495, 14s, 9d. The causes of failure alleged by the debtor were underestimating contracts, lack of capital, and deprecation in property values.    The official receiver remains trustee. BRAVERY REWARDED.-Tribute To An Aberdare Official.    An interesting event preceded the transaction of business at a meeting of the Aberdare Education Committee on Thursday evening. It involved the presentation of the Royal Humane Society's vellum certificate to Mr. A. J. CLARKE, organiser of physical training under the Aberdare and Mountain Ash committee, who, in co-operation with a young man. Eric D. WALLIS, of Woolwich, saved James Elias THOMAS, of Cwmcoy, Newcastle Emlyn, from drowning at Aberporth, Cardiganshire, on August 19.   Mr. Ben BRACE, who presided over to the meeting, read a letter from the Rector of Aberporth (the Rev. D. J. EVANS), which recounted the circumstances of the rescue.    Several of the members warmly congratulated Mr. CLARKE upon his heroic deed. In associating himself with the tributes, the Director of Education (Mr. T. BOTTING,B.A., B.A.,) remarked that Mr. CLARKE was a most efficient officer, who had always displayed a keen interest in teaching swimming to the children.    In acknowledging the certificate and the commendatory expressions which had accompanied its presentation. Mr. CLARKE ventured to refer to the need for more adequate conditions for bathing locally. LORD MAYOR'S FUND. Some names and addresses of those who donated. Mr. and Mrs. Leighton SEAGER, Hill Crest, Rumney. £2. 2. 0. Dr. Gilbert I. STRACHAN, Windsor-place, Cardiff. £2. 2. 0. Mr. Harry COUSINS, J.P., Glynne Tower, Penarth. £2. 0. 0. Dr. Athol PEARSE, Cathedral-road, Cardiff. £1. 0. 0. Mr. Arthur G. HOWELL, Diocesan Registry, Charles-street, Cardiff £1. 0. 0. Mr. and Mrs. Charles TAYLOR, Whitefriars, Partridge-road, Cardiff.  0. 10. 6. Mr. Campbell Mc KENZIE, 13, Senghenydd-road, Cardiff. 0. 10. 0. Mr. George YOUNG, 94, Penylan-road, Cardiff. 0. 10 0. John Patrick

WHOOOOHOOOO How grand is that. I love it when we can be sure the work, hard work of one person, will be available for ever (or until the internet crashes Congratulations! Eliz On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 7:11 PM, David <david.bolton83@talktalk.net> wrote: > At my last update, I eluded to an announcement which was then in the early > planning stages. > > I had been talking to The National Library Of Wales looking for some more > up to date OS maps as the ones I had were missing some detail and the > conversation turned to my website. A few days later, I received an email. > Allow me to quote a few words from it : > > "The National Library of Wales would like to invite you to participate in > the UK Web Archive by archiving your web site > (http://www.pillars-of-faith.com/*). The UK Web Archive is a > partnership between the National Library of Wales, the British Library, > JISC, and the Wellcome Library, to preserve website for future users. We > have identified this web site as an important part of Wales' documentary > heritage and would like it to remain available to researchers in the > future. The archived copy of your web site will form part of our > permanent collections." > > I am now rather humbled to announce that my little website is now part of > the UK Web Archive : > > http://www.webarchive.org.uk/ukwa/subject/66/page/23 > > Some of the features of the site, for technical reasons, are not available. > However the main content can still be accessed one chapel at a time - my > knowledge of programming is rather limited but when time allows I will see > if these technical issues can be overcome. > > Apologies for the commercial but it does make all the effort in > making/researching the site all the worthwhile. > > > -- > > To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be > found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

David, Congratulations!!! Absolutely awesome! Sent from my iPad On Mar 24, 2011, at 7:11 PM, "David" <david.bolton83@talktalk.net> wrote: > At my last update, I eluded to an announcement which was then in the early planning stages. > > I had been talking to The National Library Of Wales looking for some more up to date OS maps as the ones I had were missing some detail and the conversation turned to my website. A few days later, I received an email. Allow me to quote a few words from it : > > "The National Library of Wales would like to invite you to participate in > the UK Web Archive by archiving your web site > (http://www.pillars-of-faith.com/*). The UK Web Archive is a > partnership between the National Library of Wales, the British Library, > JISC, and the Wellcome Library, to preserve website for future users. We > have identified this web site as an important part of Wales' documentary > heritage and would like it to remain available to researchers in the > future. The archived copy of your web site will form part of our > permanent collections." > > I am now rather humbled to announce that my little website is now part of the UK Web Archive : > > http://www.webarchive.org.uk/ukwa/subject/66/page/23 > > Some of the features of the site, for technical reasons, are not available. However the main content can still be accessed one chapel at a time - my knowledge of programming is rather limited but when time allows I will see if these technical issues can be overcome. > > Apologies for the commercial but it does make all the effort in making/researching the site all the worthwhile. > > > -- > > To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Simply amazing that I could get this cleared up in 5 minutes thanks to this listerv and to Bridget! Now if someone could only find when their father James Clifford came to the U.S. LOL And where the heck in Ireland they came from...haha. I'm working on this. Nancy Clifford Rogers -----Original Message----- From: Bridget [mailto:gardens6@shaw.ca] Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 8:13 PM To: Nancy Rogers; glamorgan@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GLA] Question about names on ship sailing lists?? Hi Nancy, I checked this families arrival on Ancestry and the names of Bridget and Margaret have been mistranscribed which is very common on this site. I also found them on the 1861 Census and the names are as you say there. On the Ships Passenger List, Bridget has been abbreviated to Brid, not Bird. Margaret has been abbreviated to Mg. not Hy. Always try to look at the original image if possible and hopefully you can figure it out from there. I have sent corrections into Ancestry so hopefully that will help if others are looking. Cheers, Bridget in Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Rogers" <rogers1n@comcast.net> To: <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 04:47 PM Subject: [GLA] Question about names on ship sailing lists?? >I have found a Clifford family who arrived in Boston in June 1865 on the > ship, Bosphorous which left from Liverpool. The names listed on the > ship's > list are Mary Clifford, who is the Mother, and children Mary, Hy, Bird, > and > James. > > Could the name Hy, be a nickname for Margaret, and could Bird be a > nickname > for Bridget? > > The dates of birth/ages are the same for Hy as for Margaret Clifford and > bird, for Bridget Clifford and I suspect it is the same family, although > the names are a bit different. > > My family members are in the 1861 census living at Heolwemod District. > > > > I am assuming that the father, James Clifford, my great grandfather, left > for Boston at an earlier date, although I haven't found him on any ship > lists yet. > > Nancy Clifford Rogers > > -- > > To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be > found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 5983 (20110324) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > >