Kevin Mc Cormack <cardiff2cork@hotmail.com> wrote "... I'm stuck on the occupation for the bride. Ive taken a shot of the entry for her occupation and I'm really stuck. It looks like Gongle owner but obv. isn't ...... Regards, Kevin." An occupation I have seen on the British census several times is 'Mangle Owner'. A distant cousin had some more information about an ancestor who followed this occupation. She used the mangle to partly dry clothes for neighbours after they had done their washing, in return for a small payment. I believe she kept the mangle outside her house and customers brought their wet washing to be mangled. It always seems to be a female occupation, although usually older married women or widows. Ian.

Hello All, Many thinks to all who offered help. I was almost convinced it had to do with sanitation of sorts......just goes to show you can think too much! Jeff put me on track first with the two wheeled carriage and Jen came up trumps ....also adding a bit of Iriish culture too. I passed on the whole cert. to Jen and this has taught me to pass on the whole documant and not part of. Find below...... I think this is the answer... and the last word is "owner" - the priest had written gingle man, and corrected it to gingle owner - so nothing to do with night soil collections - but you are right with the two wheeled carriage ! Also, it refers to Mr Beale, and not the new Mrs Beale because of the correction. Jingle or Gingle A covered two-wheeled car used in Cornwall, the south of Ireland, and in Australia. Oxford English Dictionary. and quote from James Joyce 1916: They drove in a jingle across Cork while it was still early morning and Stephen finished his sleep in a bedroom of the Victoria Hotel. - James Joyce, Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man "which also quotes other persons in a Cork Census as a Gingle Owners... " Many thanks all, Kevin.

List members NEWS ITEM 291.- I keep getting MAILER DAEMON, so you will have to read them on DYFED or MONMOUTH LISTS. Sorry. John Patrick

Some entries and their comments do stand out - this one from MON struck me as note worthy. There was 'space' in the Church for 91 persons, and the total parish population was 129. Apart from being something of a squash anyway, the 2 non-attendees must have felt a little isolated! Of course they may have been incapacitated in some way. * Llangoven Parish Church Attendance - no actual/average figures provided "The entire population, with only two exceptions, attend the Parish Church, when service is held alternately morning/afternoon" 1 service in English James Farquhar, Perpetual Curate Gareth Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html Cwmgors/Waun http://www.tytwp.plus.com/Waun/Waun.html

I've been looking on line and I came across a "Gong scourer" someone who emptied toilets etc. Could "Gongle" represent toilet?

I only use this list...... I have an Irish marriage cert from 1868, I'm stuck on the occupation for the bride. Ive taken a shot of the entry for her occupation and I'm really stuck. It looks like Gongle owner but obv. isn't ...... if anyone wants to make an attempt I'll gladly send on the pic. I'll reply to list instead of everyone. Regards, Kevin.

Sorry cannot get it through.? It keeps coming back MAILER DAEMON- you can read it on the DYFED LIST or MONMOUTHSHIRE LIST. John Patrick

I would like to thank Meg Tony and Pam for their help in locating records that may link with my David JENKINS b 1853 Briton Ferry. At the moment I am unable to make a definate connection with the records but it gives me information that I may research. David JENKINS had siblings Elizabeth JENKINS b 1848 Neath died 1873 married John BUTSON Mary JENKINS b 1851 Penmaen married William TALLAMY Ann JENKINS b 1856 Baglan married Arthur STEEL and Thomas JENKINS b 1858 Baglan died 1876. Kind Regards and Thank You * Kay P* *NSW Australia *

Hi Sheila The Genuki page for Bargoed might be a good place to start http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/Gelligaer/Bargoed/ Gareth Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html Cwmgors/Waun http://www.tytwp.plus.com/Waun/Waun.html -----Original Message----- From: Sheila Alderson Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 3:44 PM To: GLAMORGAN@rootsweb.com Subject: [GLA] Bargoed Churches ? I want to look up the baptism of family members who lived at Groesfen Farm near Bargoed circa 1910. Can anyone tell me which church would be a possibility? They may have been non conformist so need to check these and Church in Wales. Many thanks Sheila Alderson -- To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html - A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I want to look up the baptism of family members who lived at Groesfen Farm near Bargoed circa 1910. Can anyone tell me which church would be a possibility? They may have been non conformist so need to check these and Church in Wales. Many thanks Sheila Alderson

Sheila - you'll probably need to look at Deri Chapels & Churches. Also going north from the farm is Capel Brithdir, which may have been more active in 1910. More can be found about Capel Brithdir from a book on Gelligaer written by the wife of the vicar of St Gwladys' church - Bargoed in the '60's. It'll probably be reference in the Lib.o Wales. Regards - Terry -----Original Message----- From: glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sheila Alderson Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 10:45 AM To: GLAMORGAN@rootsweb.com Subject: [GLA] Bargoed Churches ? I want to look up the baptism of family members who lived at Groesfen Farm near Bargoed circa 1910. Can anyone tell me which church would be a possibility? They may have been non conformist so need to check these and Church in Wales. Many thanks Sheila Alderson -- To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html - A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

hi list, i would just like to thank jennifer cairns and Bill for their repsonses to my query, i have since found a birth cert of william's sister that says that her father was indeed a millwright, so it confirms that the death cert i have for william jnr is the right one, next step is to find a newspaper article on the inquest which was held on the 30th July 1878 John ________________________________ From: john tyner <johntyner2001@yahoo.com> To: glamorgan@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 16 March, 2011 23:15:02 Subject: [GLA] millwright occupation vs hammerman hi list, i have today received a death certificate of a possible ancestor of mine, William Williams died from drowning in the river tawe in 1878, it gives his father as william williams a millwright. are millwright and hammerman the same occupation? if so then this is my ancestor as my william williams was a son of william williams a hammerman in various census records. the family lived at nantagloch(nantygloch) and was a fitter in 1871, by 1881 they had moved to Tirdeinaw talybont and william was a hammerman in the copper works. from John in cold Ireland!       -- To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html - A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Kay wrote: <<I have been searching for the family of David JENKINS b 1853 Briton Ferry who married Elizabeth Surname Unknown born 1854 Longhope Gloucester In the 1881 census David and his wife Elizabeth are living at 21 Ynsmardy Rd Briton Ferry David JENKINS is a Locomotive Engine Driver on Railway There is a daughter Elizabeth JENKINS age 2 (Born 1879) Briton Ferry listed. I believe that David JENKINS died in 1887 Neath age 34 years the death Index refers to December 1887 . I have been unable to locate any further records that may relate to Elizabeth JENKINS and her daughter Elizabeth b 1879.>> Could this be Elizabeth bc 1884: 1891 Census - 6, Springfield Terrace, Neath, Glamorgan Hd Samuel Starling 51 b 1840 Longdon Worcestershire Gen Lab Wi Ann 51 b 1840 Worcester Worcestershire Adopted Daut Elizabeth Kenkins 7 b 1884 Briton ferry, Glamorgan I realise Elizabeths' age is incorrect, but that isnt unusual. Have looked for Deaths' for David and Elizabeth , however, one would have to buy them to get the correct one. Meg

I have been searching for the family of David JENKINS b 1853 Briton Ferry who married Elizabeth Surname Unknown born 1854 Longhope Gloucester In the 1881 census David and his wife Elizabeth are living at 21 Ynsmardy Rd Briton Ferry David JENKINS is a Locomotive Engine Driver on Railway There is a daughter Elizabeth JENKINS age 2 (Born 1879) Briton Ferry listed. I believe that David JENKINS died in 1887 Neath age 34 years the death Index refers to December 1887 . I have been unable to locate any further records that may relate to Elizabeth JENKINS and her daughter Elizabeth b 1879. David JENKINS is the son of David JENKINS b 1815 Llanrhydian Gower and Mary PARSEY b 1826 Penmaen Glamorgan. The 1881 census states the David JENKINS b 1816 a Railway Laborer and his wife Mary JENKINS b 1826 living at Barn Houses Briton Ferry the same area as his son David JENKINS. Hoping that someone may be able to help with a record of David JENKINS death or a marriage for his wife Elizabeth JENKINS, Kind Regards Kay P NSW Australia

WESTERN MAIL SATURDAY DECEMBER 4. 1926.  No. 289. RETIRED COLLIERY MANAGER-Sir William Smith Dies At Dinas Powis.    A member of one of the oldest South Wales mining families has died in the person of Mr. William SMITH, J.P., of Wernlas, Dinas Powis.   Mr. SMITH, who was 83 years of age, was the son of Mr. Samuel SMITH, general manager of the Ynyscedwin Iron Company near Swansea. He received his mining training under Mr. John SMITH, manager of Messrs. FOTHERGILLS' Works, Aberdare, and was afterwards appointed manager to Messrs. Hills Plymouth Collieries, Merthyr, subsequently becoming manager at Maesteg. In 1879 he became manager to the Bargoed section of the  Rhumney Iron Company's Collieries, finally becoming general manager of the company. He retired in 1911.    Mr. SMITH was a former chairman and member of the Monmouthshire and South Wales Coalowners Association. He also served at Merthyr Board of Guardians and as chairman of the Rhymney District Council. He was a J.P. for Monmouthshire since 1893, and a commissioner for income-tax. Mr. SMITH was a churchman and was vicar's warden at Rhymney Church from 1893-1911.   A bachelor, Mr. SMITH had only one surviving brother living in America, and his only surviving near relative in this country is Mr. M. C. HARRISON, formerly engineer to the Barry Railway Company, and now divisional engineer to the Great Western Railway Company, Newport. STRUGGLE IN A SCHOOL-Newport Girls' Attemt To Seize A Cane.  Two Newport girls were summoned at the local court on Friday for refusing to depart from St. Woolos' Boys' School when requested to do so by the headmaster.  Capt. H. H. WILLIAMS prosecuted.  Mr. Joseph PRICE, the headmaster said a boy had been given a cut with the cane for arriving more than half hour late. The two girls, although not sisters of the boy, came into the schoolroom and attempted to take the cane from him. The master after a struggle with the girls secured the cane.    They were each ordered to pay 5s. FAMILY ANNOUNCEMENTS Monday December 6. 1926. IN MEMORIAM. LLEWELLYN.- In Loving Memory of our dear Father (late Councillor Dd. LLEWELLYN, 19, King-street, Taff's Well) who passed away December 6th, 1920; also our dear Mother, who passed away September 23rd, 1919. JONES.- In Loving Memory of Evan James JONES, beloved husband of Hannah JONES, West Monkton, Wick. Sadly missed. JONES.- In Loving Memory of our dear father, William JONES, died December 5th, 1925, at Blaengwawr, Ystalyfera.-From Children and Grandchildren. EVANS.- In Loving Memory of my dear sister Gwladys, who died at Dan-y-Bryn, Greenfield, New Tredegar, December 5th, 1924-From brother Tom, New York City, U.S.A. EVANS.- In Loving Memory of my dear daughter Gwladys who died at Dan-y-Bryn, Greenfield, New Tredegar. December 5th, 1924.- Fondly remembered by her Mother. ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS YOUNG.- Mrs. YOUNG and Family of Rugby House, Neath, wish to thank all kind friends and relatives for beautiful floral tributes and letters of sympathy. To be continued. John Patrick

WESTERN MAIL SATURDAY DECEMBER 4. 1926.  No. 287 RECENT WILL. MR. MORRIS BENJAMIN JEFFRIES, LLANELLY. Mr. Morris Benjamin JEFFRIES (otherwise Morris BENJAMIN), of 19, Green Villas, Llanelly, paper dealer and glass merchant, who died on June 4, aged 47 years, left estate of the gross value of £6,192, with net personalty £5,779. Testator left £200 and his consumable stores to his wife, £100 to his nephew Isaac Hyman BENJAMIN, and the residue of the property in trust for his wife for life with remainder to his children or their issue in equal shares. SHEEP-SCAB FINES-Four Farmers Before Llanilar Justices. John and William JENKINS, Bryngarw Farm, Llanilar, were fined £6 1s.; David EDWARDS, Tynfron, Llanfihangel-y- Crenddyr, £3 1s., and Thomas MORGAN, Eisteddfa Fach, Llangurig, £6 1s. at Llanilar Sessions on Friday for failing to report sheep scab. CHILD KILLED BY CAR. Trevor BROOKS (8), of 287, Brithwaunydd-road, Caemawr was knocked down and killed by a motor-car on Friday. OBITUARIES. FUNERAL OF MR. J. DAVIES, LLANDILO. The funeral took place at the Llandilofawr Parish Church on Friday of Mr. John DAVIES, 3, Rhosmaen-street, Llandilo. The officiating clergy were the Revs. W. Arthur JONES (vicar of Cwmamman), D. R. G. DAVIES and David DAVIES (curates of Llandilofawr), and T. J. OLIVER (curate of Llandebie). Other ministers present were the Revs. Ben DAVIES (Capel Newydd) and G. Edmund WILLIAMS.   The chief mourners were:- Llewellyn, Charles, George, Tom, Johnny, Louis and Rees DAVIES (sons), T. and C. DAVIES (brothers), W. and G. DAVIES, E. GABRIEL and G. DAVIES (grandsons), and John LLEWELLYN, Taliesyn, George, and Goronwy BOWEN (brothers-in-law). FUNERAL OF MRS. S. CHERRINGTON, LLANGIBBY.   The funeral of Mrs. S. CHERRINGTON, wife of Archdeacon CHERRINGTON (Bishop designate of Waikato, New Zealand), and daughter of the late Mr. W. C. ADDAMS-WILLIAMS, Llangibby, took place at Llangibby Churchyard. The officiating clergy were the Rev. H. ADDAMS-WILLIAMS (formerly rector of Llangibby, and cousin of Mrs. CHERRINGTON), the Rev. A. L. OSMAN (rector of Llangibby), and the Rev. J. R. PHILLIPS (vicar of Llanfrechfa).   The chief mourners were Mr. and Mrs. J. ADDAMS-WILLIAMS, Usk (brother and sister-in-law); Mrs. and Miss TAYLOR, Kensington (sister and niece); Mr. C. ADDAMS-WILLIAMS and Col. L. ADDAMS-WILLIAMS, Llangibby (brothers); Gen. Sir Godfrey ADDAMS-WILLIAMS, Major Albert ADDAMS-WILLIAMS, Llangibby Castle; the Rev. Herbert CHERRINGTON; Mrs. J. BUDGEN, Gwelhog; Mr. and Mrs. CHERRINGTON, London; Mr. and Mrs. J. BRIGGS, Monmouth; Major and Mrs. A. TWEEDY, Monmouth; and Mr. H. ADDAMS-WILLIAMS, J.P. Usk. FUNERAL OF DR. JAMES ROWLAND ESSEX, PONTYPOOL.    The funeral of Dr. James Rowland ESSEX, J.P., of The Woodlands, Pontypool, took place at Trevithin on Friday, the Ven.D. E. ROBERTS, M.A., Archdeacon of Monmouth, and the Rev. T. H. WILLIAMS officiating.   The chief mourners were: Mr. and Mrs. T. H. DEAKIN, Park End (brother-in-law and sister), Mrs. NICHOLLS, Sheffield (niece), Mr. Carl DEAKIN (nephew), the Misses CORBETT and Mr. Andrew CORBETT (nieces and nephew), Col. D. Ellis WILLIAMS, Griffithstown, Mr. J. A. WILSON, Newport, Mrs. T. B. R. WILSON, Newport, Major THOMPSON, Newport, Mr. W. H. V. BYTHWAY, Pontypool, and Mr. H. M. BYTHWAY, Caerleon. The bearers were Messrs. G. MITCHELL, J. MITCHELL, W. MORGAN, Ll, GUNTER, W. VAUX, W. CHAMBERS, T. DAVIES, and R. EDWARDS.   Others present included Dr. R. J. S. VERITY, Abersychan, Mr. Godfrey E. JONES, J.P., Mr. A. M. PILLINER, J.P., Major A. SALE. John Patrick

I'm not surprised your site has received such a wonderful accolade David -- it really is such a wonderfully informative, interesting and delightful site! I have learned a lot from your site -- thank you! Congratulations - the 'eternal' recognition is well deserved :-) Cheers Lynda NZ

http://www.tytwp.plus.com/Waun/Waun.html#New Just a note to say that this local villages site (covering a wider area than implied in the title) is still going strong and after a quiet 2010 things have picked up again in terms of new material But more is always most welcome :-) Gareth Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html Cwmgors/Waun http://www.tytwp.plus.com/Waun/Waun.html

Are prison records available to view PERIOD 1911 <10> yrs. Who would I apply to? Cardiff Prison Direct ? Many thanks. Robert Alun Chick (Penarth)

Dear Listers Apologies for posting this.. but it might be of interest even if they were not born in the Dyfed/Glam area... Ena and Lily, 101 year old twins (Brecon area) can be seen looking at their own names on the 1911 census - both apparently very feisty and fit (see Video link below) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-mid-wales-12861094 and here on a ITV short video… including an interesting tour of Old Swansea with local historian Colin James http://www.itv.com/wales/oldest-twins-101-sign-census46397/ .. look out for the mention of the "ironically named" Salubrious Passage… which led to the slummy area – and perhaps the ladies of the night as the Glamorgan List has discussed this subject recently ! Regards Jen