Thanks Jeff, Makes you wonder whether he absconded and when,the Lady Bertha was not his first ship, it was easy to get a berth as a fireman, no previous experience needed just muscle. another odd case was William Westgate, Able Seaman born 1846 Newcastle, the Gladstone O.N. 66391 of Swansea [previous ship] Ibex of London. Signed on Swansea 11th May 1882 Left behind in Puerto Cabello Venezuela 29th Jul.1882. Left behind not for Desertion, Sickness, Death or Mutual Agreement but as the British Consul in Puerto Cabello Venezuela 29th July 1882 stated on the agreement " I hereby certify that the seaman William Westgate was left behind in this port, in my charge he being by his own confession the assassin of Lord Cavendish of Phoenix Park Dublin Ireland on the 6th of May last. In faith in which I hereunder set my hand and Offix the Seal of my Office ~ Rob Conn HBM Vice Consul. Waikato Times Newspaper ~ London 15th Dec ~ William Westgate who confesses to participation in the Phoenix Park Murders of last May has arrived at Plymouth from Jamiaca. He is, apparently, in an imbecile state of mind. It turns out at his trial he was onboard his previous ship at the time of the murder guess he was crazy. Rgds Bryan

There are lots of John MURPHY entries in the 'Cambrian',probably more than one person, but this one looks as if it might be the same man 19 May 1876 SWANSEA POLICE: JOHN MURPHY MILITIAMAN ACCUSED OF BEING DRUNK IN HIGH STREET, WITNESS PC 32.P3 Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Richards" <bryanrichards@btinternet.com> To: <Glamorgan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 8:07 PM Subject: [GLA] Another odd excuse to leave the ship > John Murphy born 1855 Swansea Wales joined as a fireman on the Steam Ship > Lady Bertha ON.70513 of Swansea at Swansea on the > 2nd Dec 1881, previous ship was the Berlin of London. On arrival at Cette > France 29th April 1882 discharged by the British Consul on the grounds > that he belongs to the Militia and ordered home to join his regiment at > Swansea. > > Bryan > www.swanseamariners.org.uk > > > -- > > To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be > found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Unless Boston death certificates from the 1890's are better than those from New York City in that time frame, I would not count on better place of birth information on his death certificate. I would also be tempted to check church records. Might the baptisms in Wales (if that is where they had their children) be in church register books? If they are, they could be a gold mine. I also wonder if anyone else might have information about your great grandparents birthplaces in Ireland, on Irish genealogy sites. I don't know if any of the databases I know of, for researching births and baptisms in Ireland and Wales, will have your grandparents or children listed, but maybe there might be an appropriate database on the following page in those sections. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~thecohens/birthindexes-bri.html On 4/13/11, rdmnanst@aol.com <rdmnanst@aol.com> wrote: > Nancy > > > Since you have his death info, Aug 30, 1892, Boston, check out to see if > Mass. has his death certificate. > Theres a good chance his birth Town or Co with be on it. > > > Doug > Missouri > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nancy Rogers > To: glamorgan@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tue, Apr 12, 2011 7:03 pm > Subject: [GLA] Clifford Family > > > I'm trying so hard to find out where in Ireland my g-grandparents lived > before they arrived in Wales. >....... > > James Clifford and his wife Mary Ellen (Corbitt or Corbett) were married in > Methryr Tydfil in 1855. I have sent for their marriage certificate and am > waiting to receive it. In hopes that it lists where they came from. >

John Murphy born 1855 Swansea Wales joined as a fireman on the Steam Ship Lady Bertha ON.70513 of Swansea at Swansea on the 2nd Dec 1881, previous ship was the Berlin of London. On arrival at Cette France 29th April 1882 discharged by the British Consul on the grounds that he belongs to the Militia and ordered home to join his regiment at Swansea. Bryan www.swanseamariners.org.uk

Hello List, I have a suicide committed by a man in 1867 while living in Neath.  He was originally from Llannon, Carmarthenshire and was married at the Parish Church.  Would his wife have likely buried him nearby or would she have taken him back to Carmarthenshire?  Regards, Mary Beth

-------------------------------------------------- From: "Brenda Parrott" <willspad2@talktalk.net> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 3:54 PM To: Subject:HARDING Nancy and Phyllis > HARDING Nancy c1906 and Nancy c1907 both born in Cape Town, On 29 Apr > 1911 they arrived in the uk accompanied by a Mrs W Harding, on the 1911 > census one of the girls was living at her grandmothers house and the other > at an Aunts house both in Cardiff Glam, their mother Mary Emma Robins > spinster married in July 1911 to a David C Gunn. Nancy Harding married > a chap named David G Richards in 1925 and one of the witnesses was M E > Gunn (her Mother i believe as there was a small newspaper article stating > that fact (thats the only piece of evidence that has been found) the > father on marriage cert was a William Harding deceased occ Commercial > Traveller . I have no Information of the other sister Phyllis and i wonder > if she returned to Cape Town, ive searched but so many phyllis Hardings > and little info to go on have tried looking for a marriage( 2 found but > not the same father) no death that i can see so Im wondering if some kind > person can give me any information as to whe! > re Phyllis was or how i might be able to find out i would be very grateful > Regards Brenda > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SOUTH-AFRICA-CAPE-TOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for all the help in tracing wills, found what I was looking for. Kind regards Mary Godfrey ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.17300) http://www.pctools.com/ =======

For pre-1858 wills you can search online on the National Library of Wales website: http://cat.llgc.org.uk/cgi-bin/gw/chameleon?skin=profeb&lng=en Pamela Marsden -----Original Message----- From: Mary godfrey Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 12:20 PM To: glamorgan@rootsweb.com Subject: [GLA] Wills Can anyone tell me if the Glamorgan Archive holds any wills? I am after the will of Anthony Mathew/s of Llandaff or any of his descendants. Kind Regards Mary Godfrey ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.17300) http://www.pctools.com/ ======= -- To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html - A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.894 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3569 - Release Date: 04/12/11 19:35:00

Can anyone tell me if the Glamorgan Archive holds any wills? I am after the will of Anthony Mathew/s of Llandaff or any of his descendants. Kind Regards Mary Godfrey ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.17300) http://www.pctools.com/ =======

The name of "Stoneleigh"on a house could refer to where the chap who lived there was from? As that is a place in Warwickshire. I have many ancestors from Stoneleigh in Warws; It was the habit many years ago of naming a House after someones Interest. My late Grandfather who was killed in WW2 named his house "Dunedin"after his ship. From:- Graham WILLIAMS,of Canton,Cardiff.        Glamorgan F.H.S;#551.

It also needs to be remembered that Ireland was part of Britain at the time so travelling from Ireland to Wales was no different to travelling from Wales to England. Martin Briscoe Fort William martin@mbriscoe.me.uk

I have been ordering certificates online from the GRO, some as recently as 18 March 2011, and the dispatch time has been 4 business days except when the GRO gets behind because of deluges of orders placed in anticipation of a rise in the cost. My March 18 orders were dispatched March 24. I wonder why the dispatch time was 21 days for Larry's order? Was that just before the last price increase? On 4/12/11, Larry Thompson <lt0168@epix.net> wrote: > I'd previously ordered certificates from the GRO up until 2007, with > extremely good results. I believe in all cases I had the ordered cert. > withing a week of ordering. In February I ordered a birth cert. and was > informed it would be 21 days before it would be dispatched.....

Nancy Since you have his death info, Aug 30, 1892, Boston, check out to see if Mass. has his death certificate. Theres a good chance his birth Town or Co with be on it. Doug Missouri -----Original Message----- From: Nancy Rogers <rogers1n@comcast.net> To: glamorgan@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, Apr 12, 2011 7:03 pm Subject: [GLA] Clifford Family I'm trying so hard to find out where in Ireland my g-grandparents lived before they arrived in Wales. Is there a list of ship's arrivals from Ireland to Wales? I haven't found anything like that online. James Clifford and his wife Mary Ellen (Corbitt or Corbett) were married in Methryr Tydfil in 1855. I have sent for their marriage certificate and am waiting to receive it. In hopes that it lists where they came from. Now I'm wondering if there is an immigration record or ship's record that shows them arriving in Wales from Ireland. Any ideas? Nancy Clifford R. -- To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html - A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Larry depending on where he was born you could try the following site. http://www.rhondda-cynon-taf.gov.uk/en/communityliving/births/births.aspx Gareth

Hello Nancy Most of us with Irish in Wales ancestors have or have had a similar problem. I was lucky with one of mine that eventually he entered Waterford as his birthplace on a census record and that led me to his parents through the naming pattern of oldest son after the paternal Grandfather. I finally figured out where his wife was from when her mother came to live with them, another census record with birth county. Another route to try is to see if you can find out where those who witnessed their marriage were from - could be relatives or friends from back home. Many of the Irish who came to Wales in that time frame came as virtual ballast in the ships. No records kept of passage at all. HOpe this is of some help. Don't give up! Muriel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Rogers" <rogers1n@comcast.net> To: <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 5:03 PM Subject: [GLA] Clifford Family > I'm trying so hard to find out where in Ireland my g-grandparents lived > before they arrived in Wales. > > Is there a list of ship's arrivals from Ireland to Wales? I haven't found > anything like that online. > > James Clifford and his wife Mary Ellen (Corbitt or Corbett) were married > in > Methryr Tydfil in 1855. I have sent for their marriage certificate and am > waiting to receive it. In hopes that it lists where they came from. > > Now I'm wondering if there is an immigration record or ship's record that > shows them arriving in Wales from Ireland. > > Any ideas? > > Nancy Clifford R. > > -- > > To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be > found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 473 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Hello Eliz Hanebury thank you for your input but i obtained marriage cert for the couple mentioned but unfortunately the named father was not the correct one. kind regards Brenda----------------------- --------------------------- From: "Eliz Hanebury" <elizhgene@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 9:45 PM To: "David" <david@daijones.com> Cc: "Brenda Parrott" <willspad2@talktalk.net>; <GLAMORGAN@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [GLA] HARDING Phyllis > I am replying all since my mail often doesn't make it to the list > > England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005 > about Spencer Gwyn Kemp > Name: Spencer Gwyn Kemp > Birth Date: 28 Apr 1895 > Death Registration Month/Year: 1969 > Registration district: Cardiff > Inferred County: Glamorganshire > Volume: 8b > Page: 900 > > This is as close as I get to your Phyllis (I get no ships lists for the > couple) > > Name: Phyllis Elizabeth Kemp > Birth Date: 16 Aug 1907 > Death Registration Month/Year: Jan 1997 > Age at death (estimated): 89 > Registration district: Cardiff > Inferred County: Glamorgan, Monmouthshire > Register number: D5B > District and Subdistrict: 8901D > Entry Number: 69 > On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 10:58 AM, David <david@daijones.com> wrote: >> Name: Phyllis E Harding >> Spouse Surname: Kemp >> Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1927 >> Registration district: Cardiff >> Registration county (inferred): Glamorgan >> Volume Number: 11a >> Page Number: 625 >> >> >> Name: Spencer G Kemp >> Spouse Surname: Harding >> Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1927 >> Registration district: Cardiff >> Registration county (inferred): Glamorgan >> Volume Number: 11a >> Page Number: 625 >> -- >> >> To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com >> GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html >> - >> A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be >> found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ >> >> - >> The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and >> http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>

I think it is the name of the home, that is located at 50 Cardiff rd Dinas Powis go to maps.google.com and put this in 50 Cardiff Rd, Dinas Powys, The Vale of Glamorgan CF64 4, United Kingdom Streetview is active there you should be able to see the house <G> which is so cool <G> Eliz On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 8:47 PM, sarah crellin <sesewills@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Can someone local to the Dinas Powis area help me?  I sent away for my great > uncle's will to find that the sole heir was his son, listed as Frank Rogers > Price of Stoneleigh, 50 Cardiff Road, Dinas Powis, Glamorgan Sales > Representative. I have tried researching Stoneleigh in conjuction with Dinas > Powis but have been unable to find anything of substance.  This is the first > lead that I have had for this branch of my family.  Can someone advise me of > what Stoneleigh may be?  Much appreciated. > Regards, Sarah Crellin, > Denville, NJ USA > -- > > To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear List, Is anyone familiar with the Bazaar, Porth? What exactly is it? today's version of a hypervalue? or back then more upper class? A bazaar was another form of a Chapel jumble Sale to me as a child. I was always given the white elephant stall to look after. I'm trying to track down the sole beneficiary to a member of my family. This person is unknown to me " Annie Lewis" Cardiff. Annie Lewis is also buried with another family member another Lewis in Ferryside Carmarthenshire. I haven't been able to track down any details on Annie Lewis, ( marriage, census ) I did find and send away for her death certificate, Died June 1920, Shirley Road, Cardiff, wife of William George Lewis, Retired Boot Dealer. The burial records show Annie as a Widow, the informant of her death R. Lewis brother-in-law, in attendance The Bazaar, Porth, Glam. If anyone can help with the Bazaar, or who is R. Lewis . Many Thanks Jane M ( W. Auss)

Highly unlikely, it wasn't an emigration as such it was moving from New York to Pennsylvania or Wiltshire to Bristol. Passengerlists weren't kept. Eliz On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 8:03 PM, Nancy Rogers <rogers1n@comcast.net> wrote: > I'm trying so hard to find out where in Ireland my g-grandparents lived > before they arrived in Wales. > > Is there a list of ship's arrivals from Ireland to Wales? I haven't found > anything like that online. > > James Clifford and his wife Mary Ellen (Corbitt or Corbett) were married in > Methryr Tydfil in 1855. I have sent for their marriage certificate and am > waiting to receive it. In hopes that it lists where they came from. > > Now I'm wondering if there is an immigration record or ship's record that > shows them arriving in Wales from Ireland. > > Any ideas? > > Nancy Clifford R. > > -- > > To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I'm trying so hard to find out where in Ireland my g-grandparents lived before they arrived in Wales. Is there a list of ship's arrivals from Ireland to Wales? I haven't found anything like that online. James Clifford and his wife Mary Ellen (Corbitt or Corbett) were married in Methryr Tydfil in 1855. I have sent for their marriage certificate and am waiting to receive it. In hopes that it lists where they came from. Now I'm wondering if there is an immigration record or ship's record that shows them arriving in Wales from Ireland. Any ideas? Nancy Clifford R.